This is what the average npc believes about the 50s, the past in general really. They've been trained to only see the worst from the past and thus can't find the good that should be preserved or at least acknowledged.
It's weird how it's only ever stereotypically WASP-y or christian settings that get this "it's beautiful on the outside but rotten to the core on the inside!" treatment in hollywood.
It's weird how it's only ever stereotypically WASP-y or christian settings that get this "it's beautiful on the outside but rotten to the core on the inside!" treatment in hollywood.
When gentiles are dirtier and more immoral than the Ostjuden great-grandparents of the scriptwriters they get the typical 'schikker iz a goy' Rabinnical contempt for am haaretz. When they're cleaner and nicer than the great-grandparents of the scriptwriter they get subjected to a seething flood of coping shtetlbilly rage about the hypocrisy and deracinated sterility of [gentile Christian] 'society'.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>every israeli person hates the 50s
The 50s are remembered quite fondly in Israel
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm talking about a subculture US Hollywood israelites. Obviously 'da Jooz' are not all alike, and where I am they're not like American liberal israelites at all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If we only ever knew how much money and material support went into israel from the west for real, oh God. Can you even imagine it?
This is what the average npc believes about the 50s, the past in general really. They've been trained to only see the worst from the past and thus can't find the good that should be preserved or at least acknowledged.
ok, how about some stuff that actually happened then?
>The Little Rock Nine were a group of nine African American students enrolled in Little Rock Central High School in 1957. Their enrollment was followed by the Little Rock Crisis, in which the students were initially prevented from entering the racially segregated school by Orval Faubus, the Governor of Arkansas. They then attended after the intervention of President Dwight D. Eisenhower. >When integration began on September 4, 1957, the Arkansas National Guard was called in to "preserve the peace". Originally at orders of the governor, they were meant to prevent the black students from entering due to claims that there was "imminent danger of tumult, riot and breach of peace" at the integration. However, President Eisenhower issued Executive order 10730, which federalized the Arkansas National Guard and ordered them to support the integration on September 23 of that year, after which they protected the African American students.[3]
>Emmett Louis Till (July 25, 1941 – August 28, 1955) was a 14-year-old African American boy who was abducted, tortured and lynched in Mississippi in 1955, after being accused of offending a white woman in her family's grocery store. The brutality of his murder and the fact that his killers were acquitted drew attention to the long history of violent persecution of African Americans in the United States. Till posthumously became an icon of the civil rights movement.[2]
Yeah, and in the 60s a family of hippies killed innocent women and children and a doctor sexually tortured two children to believe they were the opposite sex.
Shit happens in every decade, that doesn’t define it.
2 years ago
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racial segregation didn't "define" the 50s? lol. It was a pretty major event for the Federal government to intervene in school desegregation by sending in the National Guard, and for there to be landmark Supreme Court cases like Brown v. Board of Education.
It not being "all bad" or we have problems now too is just coping and moving the goalposts.
2 years ago
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>racial segregation didn't "define" the 50s?
No. No more than any decade prior. >It was a pretty major event for the Federal government to intervene in school desegregation by sending in the National Guard, and for there to be landmark Supreme Court cases like Brown v. Board of Education.
Yeah moron, because it was the decade where discrimination started being addressed. Do you think there was no segregation prior to 1950, you absolute tard?
2 years ago
Anonymous
it didnt define the 50s, and segregation isnt even bad.
Name one good reason why Americans shouldnt have freedom of association
2 years ago
Anonymous
>racial segregation didn't "define" the 50s? lol. It was a pretty major event for the Federal government to intervene in school desegregation by sending in the National Guard, and for there to be landmark Supreme Court cases like Brown v. Board of Education.
So then wouldn't it be desegregation that defined the 50s? Or really, the 60s since that's when it really took effect culturally
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, but the 60's aren't fetishized by reactionary WASPs
racial segregation didn't "define" the 50s? lol. It was a pretty major event for the Federal government to intervene in school desegregation by sending in the National Guard, and for there to be landmark Supreme Court cases like Brown v. Board of Education.
It not being "all bad" or we have problems now too is just coping and moving the goalposts.
You make posts like this and wonder why you were separated from the actual people
After being around white women, many of whom had BPD, I do not want to imagine living in a reality where one of them can just order your brutal execution on a whim.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just suppress the urge to rape them and you'll be fine
Imagine taking any of the tens of thousands of black-on-white crime in the last few years and saying "this defines the 21st century"
2 years ago
Anonymous
Emmett Till's murder was no ordinary crime. It was far more gruesome than most murders, and the perpetrators got away with it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Blacks commit gruesome crimes today, and at a far greater rate too
2 years ago
Anonymous
You mean gang violence? Most of that is fairly ordinary gang shootings, botched drug deals, or domestic disputes, and especially if the victim is white the authorities usually try to get involved.
2 years ago
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No
2 years ago
Anonymous
Interracial violence is HEAVILY skewed in one direction, and not the direction you probably think. The sociopathy and opportunism of blacks is a deadly combination.
Not an argument.
[...]
What about that gruesome incident in which a group of black children stole a car from and old white woman by tossing her out the door and the seat belt ripped off her arm and smeared her across the pavement?
Of course you don't, that shit doesn't get media attention and when it does it's quickly covered up by some less horrendous bullshit.
That made international headlines.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>please care about black propaganda
no
2 years ago
Anonymous
post hand mutt
2 years ago
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go be black somewhere else
2 years ago
Anonymous
>That made international headlines
It was spread on social media for a week and now forgotten. There aren't going to be books written about it and a memorial put in place so we can remember it and bring it up every year on its anniversary.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It was mentioned in newspapers overseas, moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah, lots of countries liked pushing the memes of black plight because it made the US look bad. Btu they were always overblown
2 years ago
Anonymous
I meant the story about the old lady.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It was mentioned in newspapers overseas, moron.
Has this had an effect on anything? Are there calls for the black community now to reflect on themselves and their racism and the brutality they inflict on innocent white people?
Did the newspapers even make statements about their race or just "youths and an elderly woman"?
When a black person gets killed, the story sticks around for a century and fundamentally alters the country. The opposite is a blip in a newsreel.
2 years ago
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Why would there be, unless it's a hate crime or the defendants were acquitted by a biased system?
2 years ago
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>Why would there be
It's a lot more relevant than Emmett Till
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is it a hate crime where the defendants were acquitted by a biased jury?
2 years ago
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Biases in the justice system aren't real but should be.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Officially I don't think it was counted as a hate crime, though then again a black guy shooting a white kid in the back of the head and saying "frick these white motherfrickers" wasn't charged as a hate crime either. It is representative of the indifference of black people to the wellbeing of white people, seeing them as just a victim to be abused. In this case, the victim was completely innocent, unlike the Till case where the attack was a reaction to something he did, even if it was an overreaction.
2 years ago
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>then again a black guy shooting a white kid in the back of the head and saying "frick these white motherfrickers" wasn't charged as a hate crime either
Source? There's no reluctance on the part of the FBI to record anti-white crimes, so I don't know why you'd think the authorities have some aversion to it.
>Investigators have said that Walker became hostile during multiple searches of his apartment, and in one instance allegedly said, "A white kid gets killed and the damn whole world stops. Frick that white motherfricker."
He got voluntary manslaughter instead of murder, which means in legal terms that it was deemed reasonable that he saw a random, innocent white teenager and went into a violent rage and had to shoot him dead. A "crime of passion" that apparently anyone would be compelled to do.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It doesn't mean it was reasonable. If it was reasonable he wouldn't have been convicted of anything.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Reasonable =/= legal. It's the same charge given when a man walks home to find his wife in bed with another man and kills them on the spot. Something that people can understand would provoke someone to immediate violence, but doesn't make it legal to do, though it comes with a lighter sentence.
2 years ago
Anonymous
if you're going to cry about blacks why not do it in the other 5 threads about blacks you made today
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not OP and as far as I can tell this thread wasn't about black people to begin with.
2 years ago
Anonymous
so why are you talking about black people
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because people like you entered a thread about the pros and cons of 1950s America (presumably for Americans, white people), and a tangent was started to try to center everything around black people using the most inconsequential event that could have been invoked
2 years ago
Anonymous
nobody was talking about blacks until black apologists randomly started bringing up lynchings. Are you a black apologist?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>nobody was talking about blacks until black apologists randomly started bringing up lynchings.
And I brought it back down.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Look up the "reasonable person" standard.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>black kids kidnap mentally moronic white kid >post a video of them beating the shit out of him on the internet while calling him cracker >5 months community service >not a hate crime
Frick yourself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not him, but yes, that’s called a democrat police state when the police aren’t arresting Biden and his son, but they will arrest Navarro and threaten Trump (the actual president).
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah and black crime victims seem to get a lot less attention, with the exception of some hate crime victims, who are notable for their own reason.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Interracial violence is HEAVILY skewed in one direction, and not the direction you probably think. The sociopathy and opportunism of blacks is a deadly combination.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black history isn't really history, no
y'all don't know shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If black history is shit then I agree
2 years ago
Anonymous
You mean gang violence? Most of that is fairly ordinary gang shootings, botched drug deals, or domestic disputes, and especially if the victim is white the authorities usually try to get involved.
What about that gruesome incident in which a group of black children stole a car from and old white woman by tossing her out the door and the seat belt ripped off her arm and smeared her across the pavement?
Of course you don't, that shit doesn't get media attention and when it does it's quickly covered up by some less horrendous bullshit.
People did die from all kinds of disease, iron lungs existed, doctors would prescribe shit like thalidomide causing thousands of fetal malformation, or do a fricking lobotomy if you had any kind of neurotic personality, not to mention conversion therapy and a lot of shit like that, that's a reason why baby boomers are so fricked up as a generation
Psychiatry and psychology were also very primitive by our standards. Most of the drugs now used to safely treat mental illnesses hadn't been invented or thoroughly tested yet, and ethical standards weren't thoroughly enforced.
>doctors would prescribe shit like thalidomide causing thousands
I think the USA actually never approved thalidomide because one person in the FDA board stalled on approving it.
Leftists love to project their mental illnesses on ordinary people. Sure, there might be examples of abuse, discontent, and dissatisfaction, but those still exist today and across the world.
>THERE WAS ONE LITTLE PROBLEM THEREFORE IT WAS ALL SHIT AND HORRIBLE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THIS >DON'T THINK ABOUT THE 50S >DON'T QUESTION THE COUNTERCULTURE >COUNTERCULTURE GOOD >50S BAD >THE 50S WERE BAD >50S WAS BAD >50S BAD >OK
Why are you so pathologically desperate to shit on the 50s? Why do you spend countless hours on a Laotian rice wine brewing discussion forum trying to convince people who are noninfluential losers anyway not to have a positive view of the 50s. It was a time when trad blended with the modern which is a massive threat to you and everything you believe and an era demonized by boomers, I guess that has something to do with it. It is amazing though how completely brainwashed you are.
Sure there were "le problemrinos", and there are problems today. Your precious leftist society is not quite as perfect as you imagine, for example communities have broken down. You worship black people, you believe they are special snowflake victims, well consider gang violence wasn't as much of a problem in the 50s. You claim to be conscientious and enlightened yet you simply ignore problems such as this. Sure some things from the 50s had to change, but some changes were not good. We need to go back, we need to be more wholesome and upbeat like upstanding 50s folks.
The 1950s is the counter culture for most of the world outside of the New World. The American victors exported liberal values to their half of Europe and to Japan. The Germany of 1955 was unrecognizable to the Germany of 1905, whereas the US had merely developed its liberal ideals since the early 20th century.
What are the unique problems with the 50s? That there was racism? Sure, but considerably less than any decade to that point, it was the first decade since reconstruction where Civil Rights laws were being passed and people like you believe there's still widespread racism today. That there was disease? Sure, diseases existed. Diseases also exist today. Not sure if you're aware, but we're dealing with both Covid and Monkeypox now.
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No the 50s weren’t bad.
redditoids and neo-liberals just can’t admit that the 50s were actually good because they are required to see the past as nothing but annal of unenlighted darkness.
It’s the only thing that justifies there autistic and nihilistic pursuit of progress for progress sake.
Think about it, if the past was good progress might not be all they make it out to be and therefore what they are pushing might not actually be justified or desirable.
funny how the strawman doesn't address any of the actual problems with the 50s
>the 50s weren't bad because abloobloo muh reddit muh librulz
Why can't you dysgenics ever formulate an argument instead of rambling about le other team?
>b…..but…..but the 50s were bad because…… they just were ok!
2 years ago
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>w-what do you mean you wish you had a well-paying union job straight out of high school? Don't you know there was RACISM back then???
2 years ago
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>w-what do you mean you wish you had a well-paying union job straight out of high school?
So, some areas in the Northeast and Midwest? I guarantee you wouldn't find that in Arkansas or Mississippi or quite a few other places; while the ads showed glamorous 50s couples stepping into their new Buick outside the debutante ball, you might be living in a hovel without running water or electricity and driving a 10 year old car.
>the 1960s had the summer of love and the British invasion
Both movements specifically tailored to youths, and the first one only to hippies, a vast minority of the population and keep in mind, this was in response to the many problems going on in the decade. >what did the 1950s have?
No draft, no war, no race riots, far less political violence and assassinations, a less divided country and better movies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>No draft
what about Korea? >no war
what about Korea? >no race riots, less political violence and assassinations
all things that happened later because of the failure to deal with the issues during the 1950s. It was certainly better to be black in the 1960s than the 1950s. >a less divided country
the Soviet Union was arguably less divided than the US in the 1950s, does that mean the 1950s USSR was a better place to live in than the US? >better movies
highly subjective and likely untrue
2 years ago
Anonymous
>what about Korea?
The Korean War lasted three years. It didn't consume the entire decade like Vietnam did and it didn't have as many conscription or deaths, nor did it lead to large scale protests and social movements opposed to it. >all things that happened later because of the failure to deal with the issues during the 1950s
Or, literally any other decade prior to the 50s. And some of the legislation passed is what led to the political violence and assassinations. >It was certainly better to be black in the 1960s than the 1950s.
It depends where you were located. For blacks that lived in the North or out West, there was already little to no segregation or overt discrimination. >the Soviet Union was arguably less divided than the US in the 1950s
I doubt that. >does that mean the 1950s USSR was a better place to live in than the US?
No, and comparing the two makes no sense, as they're completely different countries. America 5 or 6 years removed from the 50s is still the same country with the same citizens and culture. Further, that was only one point. >highly subjective and likely untrue
It's not.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Vietnam is only remembered as negatively as it is because America lost. If the war had ended with South Vietnam still existing and North Vietnam giving up then it would probably be remembered more like Korea is today and the anti-war movement would have been forgotten.
>the 1960s had the summer of love
Immorality is not a positive.
>what did the 1950s have?
more employment opportunities
Better pay
Less addiction
No open degeneracy
Less race riots
Less pointless wars in the Middle East
Less political division
The leftoid propaganda was at least higher quality
More homogeneous communities
Less Commie homosexualry
2 years ago
Anonymous
>love and rejection of a pointless war is immoral
Snufkin would be fricking ashamed to see a cretin like you using his image
2 years ago
Anonymous
>love and rejection of pointless war
Except it wasn't love it was degenerative nymphomaniac behavior and it wasn't a rejection of war but an embrace of drugs.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This tbh
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Less race riots >Less pointless wars in the Middle East >Less political division
The 1950s literally is what led to these things (minus political division, which always existed)
It really wasn’t ww2 was over people for the most part were optimistic and they also had this can do attitude because a nuclear bomb could wipe them out at any moment but overall things were on the up
I think it's important to note that leftists spend far more time trying to convince us how horrible and oppressive the 1950s were then they do to try to lionize and vindicate the radicals and terrorists of the 1960s. You'd think they'd be proud of Weather Underground and the Black Panthers, but nope, they try and pretend that the bombings and assassinations and riots never happened.
They don't have this much seething towards the 20s, or the 80s, or any other decade that gets romanticized. Why does the 50s trigger them like a vampire towards a crucifix?
>everyone acknowledges them as crazies
Angela Davis was a terrorist with direct ties to the Soviet Union who sold weapons to someone who murdered 4 people, and today she's lauded as a civil rights icon, who tours the country giving speeches and talks. Not everyone acknowledges the 60s radicals as crazies.
OTC pharmaceuticals are a modern phenomenon, the average housewife wouldn't have access to drugs.
polio actually started to decline in the mid-50s (thanks to the vaccine) and it was left-leaning editorial boards that were warning against "polio hysteria"
women have always been able to attend college and oberlin (a coed school) is actually older than any women's college in the US.
pants on women were very common and completely legal in the 50s
>I cant get through my day without a shitload of drugs
Is that any different from today? Everyone in my life but me seems to be on anti-drpressants and Adderall.
The Polio Vaccine also came out in the 1940's so that doesn't apply to an image regarding the 50's.
Women's colleges have also been around since the 1800's.
This whole image was made by someone completely historically illiterate.
>Google Image search "1955" >half the fricking pics I get are related to Emmitt Till as if that was the single most important event in the entire world that year
>downplaying the horrific murder of a 14 year old where the killers got away with it because the kid was black
I don't believe in hell but you people sure deserve it
it is a significant story and captures a moment in time. He was so horribly disfigured that you couldn't even make out his face and his mother insisted on an open casket funeral so people could see how badly her son was beaten.
>inhale DDT spray >drink a fifth of Jack Daniels >beat your wife senseless for not making your favorite Jell-O salad >your son is gay but he has to stay in the closet and live a lie >your wife is on pills most of the day >your daughter gets knocked up at 15 and has to get a back alley abortion that may kill or leave her sterilized (John Roberts and Amy Coney-Barrett would love to bring back this paradise) >punch a random black guy in the face on your way to work >get in a car accident and have your face crushed by a metal steering wheel because car safety hasn't been invented yet
All they can point to about how life has improved with their ~~*progress*~~ is how much better it is to be a sodomite. Better for gays, prostitutes, and blacks. For everyone else it's much worse. Everyone else lost their happy middle class lives with home ownership, good employment, lasting marriages, children raised in safe christian environments.
The wife taking pills bit is the most hilarious absurdity considering the insane percentage of the population today that is taking prescription drugs to help them cope with this morally and spiritually empty hellscape that has been constructed.
Anxiolytics like barbiturates and later valium and other benzos were specifically marketed towards house wives. They were literally invented to treat the condition of being a woman. Have you ever heard the Rolling Stones song Mother's Little Helper?
>ummm, didn't you know that white people just went around beating Black folk and everyone was secretly gay and sad??? everyone was miserable before trans rights and corn syrup you know!!
what morons are told to believe: >liberals destroyed America
what actually happened: >crush unions >export manufacturing >incentivize speculative rent seeking investment >cut taxes on the highest incomes so there is no inventive to spread around the gains >destruction of the family and women entering the workforce
Manufacturing migrating to the third world to take advantage of slave labour was inevitable once containerization happened and shipping costs became negligible. No amount of legislation could have stopped it.
Everything else you listed (and the downfall of western society in general) is a direct product of this.
>Put frickhuge tariffs on everything >Johnny Everyman sees everything being cheap as shit in canada or whatever uropeen nation doesn't impose them, gets jealous and demands they are removed because he wants his cheap plastic cups and he wants them now and doesn't care about what's going to happen 20 years into the future
Gj.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>sacrificing everyone's standard of living to have cheap plastic cups is the right move
2 years ago
Anonymous
When did I say it's the right thing? It's only what the people want. People are dumb and impulsive. They NEED their cheap plastic cups.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes that's called Capitalism. Profit over everything else. >incoming non-arguments and ranting about muh trannies
2 years ago
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2 years ago
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It's what Joe Everyman would tell his Congressman to do. This is a result of the system our Founders setup.
Not enough people think about this. We basically took away all productive capabilities from western countries, but the population kept rising. The only people who could ever benefit from this are the very wealthy owners of the means of production who own the factories in China & India.
The west basically sold its soul for cheap plastic shit. We’re practically doomed because those jobs aren’t coming back. People like to talk about how great automization will be, but they fail to understand that the fruits of this will not be accessible by the common man.
I unironiclly had a 1950s style childhood growing up in the 90s and it's great. I'm way more stable and happy than the kids my age whose parents were part of some kind of counter-cultural movement.
It was good in America because every other country had been bombed to shit so they had a monopoly on manufacturing for 10 years
It was objectively way worse than today in Europe, Australia, Japan and the entire third world
>Australia
If there's any other country besides Canada that was living the high life in the 1950s, it's Australia. They might have even been wealthier than the average American, Ozzieland was absolutely doing fine.
The 50s were bad but not for the reason this meme gives. It was the decade where the "modern" American lifestyle of car-dependent suburbia and fast food and supermarkets instead of locally-owned small businesses really began.
>mmuh small business meme
fact is large corporations not only give you better product but are better places to work for--workplace safety standards are better, wages, pensions. many mom and pop businesses do all kinds of shady shit. also they're more likely to be connected with organized crime. replacement of local businesses with mega chains like McDonalds and Wal-Mart over time reduced organized crime's presence in America.
The presence of organised crime may have waned, but do you really think that American society as a whole is less corrupt now? Organised crime was able to exist because local businesses were (relatively) independent power bases of the middle class. The only reason that organised crime doesn't exist in the same fashion is that power (political and economic) is so far out of the hands of everyday people that there is nothing to target but these massive corporations.
>replacement of local businesses with mega chains like McDonalds and Wal-Mart over time reduced organized crime's presence in America
As Ray Kroc said, when he first started most hamburger places were juke joints full of biker gangs and nobody was going to take their nice middle class family to eat there.
This is the most moronic take I've heard on IQfy in a long, long while. You just traded the 'breaking kneecaps' kind of organized crime with the 'this massive megacorporation holding a practical monopoly over basic industries whose profits are a good chunk of the entire nation's national product can lobby the government to fiddle with worker's rights and any other legislation they wish for' type of organized crime, which, I don't know if you've noticed from the freefalling standard of living in the past 30 years, is pretty fricking bad and I'd rather get the shit kicked out of me by a greasy italian any day.
Bullshit. >I'm secretly gay >now I'm a degenerate and form people's opinion of what is a typical gay man, making decent gay men more lonely and ashamed than ever before >I have polio >now I have cancer due to the amount of toxic chemicals and additives I unwittingly ingest >I'm not allowed to wear pants or go to college >now I have to wear pants or I'm accused of perpetuating gender stereotypes or some bullshit >I can't get through my day without a shit ton of drugs >implying this has changed >I beat the shit out of my son and molested my daughter >implying this has changed
Oh no, gay men would just have sex with women (which obviously worked because they had kids) and raise a family instead of sniffing poppers and getting their shitters blown out by strangers? The horror!
The 60s were a backlash, you need to have balance, just enough degeneracy to not let it boil up and explode. Just enough systematic christian conservatism to keep it running.
Also the US had an unfair economic advantage because the rest of the world was in shambles.
Probably about as good or bad as anytime on the whole. mainstream culture was pretty vapid and dull just like always. stepping outside the mainstream there was cool shit going on like always. white veterans got pretty well taken care of, but that's of course impingent on having participated in a large and awful war, so it's dishonest to act like the GI Bill, Levittown etc. were all some kind of 50s windfall. The price was paid beforehand. It's also true that people who weren't as lucky in the 50s often had a pretty hard time, which is basically standard for human history. Crime was worse than now in most ways. There's good reasons why people were so powerfully drawn to the symbols of watercolor suburban idyll that developed around this time, and it wasn't because people in general suddenly became especially conformist and morally uptight. Consider that the generation of swing-dancing gin-swilling young men from the 40s were raising kids and shit by now
All the idealizations in advertisement from this period apparently seem more legit and accurate to some people because they were painted by urban college types instead being photos and videos taken by urban college types today. That's fricking stupid. On the other hand, it's also no more fake than the marketing universe seen today. The wise don't see some lost reality when viewing this bullshit, they see a mirror
I suppose it's more that those 50s hot dog ads represented an idealized life you could aspire to. It may have been fantasy but at least it was a positive fantasy and not the deconstructivism seen in American culture today.
>deconstructivism seen in American culture today
you mean in modern hot dog ads? what destructive deconstructive fantasy do you observe in modern advertising, moron? Fresh scented laundry? Integrated barbecues?
Here might be your problem, dumb-dumb, you're contrasting advertising in one period with "culture" of another. Wienerworld aspiration is precisely the kind of homosexualy conceit that possesses people who cannot or care not to distinguish between advertising, the various spheres of culture, and real life
Deconstructivism is when you have a Tide detergent ad showing a gay or trans couple folding laundry so Procter and Gamble get their tax credits from the government for diversity in advertising.
Not that guy, but a lot of modern commercials still are some ideal fantasy of attractive laughing, racially diverse people hanging out and drinking coke.
On the other hand, something like the infamous Gillette "men are bad" commercial would never have happened back then.
>Crime was worse than now in most ways
People used to sleep with their doors unlocked and let their kids play on the street. It wasn't until the 70's crime wave that we take being mugged and murderraped every time you step outside your little fortress of an apartment as a given.
>b-but the suburban idyll
most people didn't live in suburbs, they lived in cities. Here's another problem your type has: you think that the suburban idyll featured in advertising is how everyone lived. It's not >no crime before the 70s
Son,
My grandparents did live in a classic postwar suburb. They were among the fortunate ones, in a lot of the flyover states it still looked like the early 20th century.
No, the fact is that ideologically compromised people are unable to form a nuanced view of history.
Obviously idealistic depictions of any historical period shouldn't be taken at face value, but overcorrecting everything to it's near opposite is often less factual.
Think about the flipflopping between medieval Christianity being the source or bane of all scientific knowledge.
I'll ignore the bait at the end and acknowledge they were just a bunch of dudes acting on their own upper class self interest, but all countries need a national mythos to look up to. If you take that away, you are left with a bunch of disillusioned depressed buttholes.
The french revolution was a massacre, but the ideals of freedom should be looked up to. The roman empire was a corrupt shithole but it's grandiosity should be imitated.
The bible has a lot of weird shit in it but a shared set of principles unifies people. >inb4 reshaping history into a fairytale is good when I do it!
Yes.
>I'll ignore the bait at the end and acknowledge they were just a bunch of dudes acting on their own upper class self interest
For quite a few of the Federalists I'd agree this was true, though Thomas Jefferson was a genuine idealist and the real "father" of American democracy.
2 years ago
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Thomas Jefferson was the worst hypocrite of the lot. Fricker's first memory was being put on a saddle by slaves and he lived like a Roman warlord on the back of his slaves for the remainder of his life. It's not even funny how badly Jefferson's hypocrisy manages to taint the entire American Revolution. When foreigners want propaganda to delegitimize the whole nation, they immediately bring up his slaves
2 years ago
Anonymous
You said it yourself, he was born into it, he had zero choice on the matter, and its not like he could have just let his slaves run free in Virginia, or like he was some monster who tortured them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He could have set his slaves free in his will like George Washington, but doing so would have ruined his family so he opted against forcing the tyranny of having to work a real job upon them
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you understood his position on slavery, you'd understand why he wouldn't just release hundreds of slaves into the state. His view was always that slavery is a great evil but that we shouldn't carelessly end it without ensuring that the end result had those slaves away from American society. Not because he hated black people but because he could see hundreds of years ahead of time that trying to have different races living together is disunifying and makes any democratic principle impossible to practice.
2 years ago
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Pretty sure that Jefferson was alive when Haiti turned into a massive shitstorm of violence and massacre
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think he expected that kind of violent uprising but here's two of his most famous quotes
>It will probably be asked, Why not retain and incorporate the blacks into the state, and thus save the expense of supplying, by importation of white settlers, the vacancies they will leave? Deep rooted prejudices entertained by the whites; ten thousand recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provocations; the real distinctions which nature has made; and many other circumstances, will divide us into parties, and produce convulsions, which will probably never end but in the extermination of the one or the other race. >Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate, than that these people are to be free; nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.
His position was more that in addition to the bad history between the two groups making unity hard to achieve, there's enough difference between whites and blacks as people that they aren't ever going to see themselves as one, and each will form communities and look out for themselves, always stepping on each others' toes, fighting or offending each other.
2 years ago
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https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-29-02-0405 >Perhaps the first chapter of this history, which has begun in St. Domingo, and the next succeeding ones which will recount how all the whites were driven from all the other islands, may prepare our minds for a peaceable accomodation between justice, policy and necessity, and1 furnish an answer to the difficult question Whither shall the coloured emigrants go? And the sooner we put some plan under way, the greater hope there is that it may be permitted to proceed peaceably to it’s ultimate effect. But if something is not done, and soon done, we shall be the murderers of our own children.
2 years ago
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Ah, thanks. Still, that fits alongside the other quotes. Race relations of all kinds have a poor history the world over. If he saw any of the race riots over the years after a black person gets killed by police, he'd probably liken that to Haiti.
2 years ago
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Nah, modern race riots are slightly rowdy parties compared to the horrors of Haiti. It was wholesale slaughter on both sides, people being killed in the most violent ways possible. Napoleon sent one of his generals to Haiti to put down the revolt and that general got his ass handed to him before dying of tropical diseases. And the cherry on top of it all was that the French government had been warned repeatedly that Haiti was a powder keg waiting to blow, but the money was too important during the French Revolution and they passed the buck.
2 years ago
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>Nah, modern race riots are slightly rowdy parties compared to the horrors of Haiti.
Of course, but the point is that it's the type of racial unrest that he saw as inevitable if we became a mixed society under one government
2 years ago
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>If you understood his position on slavery, you'd understand why he wouldn't just release hundreds of slaves into the state.
Good point, he was heavily financially invested in slavery and would have become quite poor if he released all his slaves while he was alive or supported a ban in his own state.
2 years ago
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>its not like he could have just let his slaves run free in Virginia
Why the frick not? There've been freedmen in Virginia since like the 1600s
2 years ago
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>When foreigners want propaganda to delegitimize the whole nation, they immediately bring up his slaves
Yeah cause the only bigger morons than these commies and shitskins are the fricking idiots listening to them.
Exactly, a lot of shitty things must have happened to had such a fricked up generation
Every home had a television, and television is even worse for the internet, because there are no alternatives to big money news media. You leave a television on in the living room and you can make whatever you want out of the viewers.
The 1950s is one of those topics that is impossible to discuss without excessive autism from chronically online homosexuals on both sides of the political spectrum. It's too politicized now, so either deluded American Rightists will insist it was heaven and butthurt lefties will insist it was literally Hell.
Uh-oh, looks like bad things happened in the past. Guess we can’t take any of the good concepts from that tainted pool. Better live in a techno-feudal mulatto state instead just to be safe.
>it’s not true if I don’t feel like it is
By the 50’s they had already broken off into the Dixiecrats and you never actually see anyone lionizing the 50’s calling for a return of unions and higher taxes and regulations on large corporations
>and you never actually see anyone lionizing the 50’s calling for a return of unions
Unions were mostly an artifact of having a lot of first and second generation European immigrants. As they aged out and their kids became completely assimilated as Americans it was inevitable that organized labor declined. >and higher taxes
It's almost as if the government had to pay off its debts from two wars. >and regulations on large corporations
There were way less of those in the 50s than today. Most of those appeared in the 60s onward. There was no EPA in 1955 after all.
2 years ago
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>w-w-we don’t actually want the things that guaranteed a good quality of life we just want racism to be cool again
I know
> There was no EPA in 1955 after all.
No but there was just leaded gasoline fumes poisoning an entire generation of children. But I’m referring to anti-trust regulations that made it so that the boss only made 20-35 times what his lowest employee did, rather than the 500+ amount that it is today, and they sheltered their money by dumping it into public works projects instead of storing it in a tax haven
2 years ago
Anonymous
imagine peddling black conspiracy theories on a history board
2 years ago
Anonymous
Imagine thinking that hot dog and cigarette advertisements reflect reality
2 years ago
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Imagine being moronic
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and they sheltered their money by dumping it into public works projects instead of storing it in a tax haven
LOLno everyone used tax shelters in the 50s. The tax code was full of loopholes so you could easily get away with paying very little.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, by dumping their money into community projects because off shore bank accounts wasn’t a thing yet
Imagine being moronic
I don’t have to imagine it I see morons on IQfy every day
2 years ago
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>dumping their money into community projects
what does that even mean in a braindead liberal's mind?
2 years ago
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>There were way less of those in the 50s than today. Most of those appeared in the 60s onward. There was no EPA in 1955 after all.
Back then you could buy a gun in a mail order catalog.
2 years ago
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Yes, and...?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Unions fell apart as the NLRB and bills like Taft-Hartley worked to completely undercut them and break their ability to effectively organize.
2 years ago
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He's right, unions were only for immigrants. The only thing unions do today is keep out illegal mexicans
2 years ago
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>There were way less of those in the 50s than today. Most of those appeared in the 60s onward. There was no EPA in 1955 after all.
Some things were more regulated in the 50s such as the financial sector (Glass-Steagle lasted into the 90s) and the airline industry, in other regards like environmental regs there wasn't much.
>Strom Thurmond literally switches from the Dems to the Republicans >"B-b-but Democrats are the REAL racists!'
Can't believe this Boomer tier rhetoric makes it's way here
>can't get through my day without a shit ton of drugs
but thats just me living in 2022 as a male wage slave
the difference being in the 50s you could get a slew of pharmaceuticals if you were white. I fricking wished I could get some quualudes and codeine for some bullshit I made up.
Easily explained. In the 50s, we were waging the Cold War and nicotine and amphetamines were necessary to fuel guys with wire-rimmed glasses who could design an aircraft or missile. As time went on, the ruling class's needs changed and it became more advantageous to promote marijuana use instead of nicotine.
it had it's ups and downs
downs >social repression >long work hours for men >vast inequality >sterile culture >permissive about certian kinds of crimes nad abuses >psychiatric system was going nuts back then if you were mentally ill you could get lobotmized or get hard drugs that frick up your body nd mind
ups >extreme economic prosperity >tight knit communities >upward mobility for anyone who tries pretty much >could raise a family on a single income >economy hasn't uprooted families yet
it's a mixed bag but all and all was probably the most pleasant time in history to live in thus far.
>extreme economic prosperity
i'd like you to go to rural Kentucky in the 50s and see how many people lived like in Jell-O ads. poverty rates nationwide were still over 20%.
That's what he did with the War on Poverty. If you were on welfare, the government no longer counted you as below the poverty line. Result was the poverty figure magically "dropped" with the stroke of a pen.
2 years ago
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Source?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, LBJ was one of the greatest criminals this country has ever known
nope and anyone saying or claiming it is wasnt even alive in that time to comment on it and are making up lies off their readings online and some youtubers going le 50s sexist bad times
My dad lived through it too. He talked about living in a 4 room house and grew up having to sleep on the porch while his 4 sisters shared a bedroom. He laughs when he recalls his mom putting a damp blanket on a fan in a futile attempt to cool off the uninsulated house in the summer. He talked about being a caddie as a kid and having to put up with bullies and being the same race didn’t stop them. My grandmother swore to her dying breath that it was nothing short of a miracle that she didn’t lose a kid.
i've seen online collections of death certificates from the 50s. child deaths were so common in those days from disease, congenital defects, or accidents..
Basically it was a good time to live overall because the economy was booming and it was a relatively peaceful time despite being the start of the cold war. It still had its bad with some social problems that ended up culminating into what the 60s were. It’s was pretty much a result of the United States was at the time. But, in classical IQfy fashion, homosexuals here ignore history and pretend that going back to the way it was is completely possible.
Am I going crazy or is this a mini Mandela effect? I never noticed the grandpa in the corner before and I've been checking this thread regularly and looking at the image.
It's revisionism because israelites can't stand whites being happy and it makes gays, nonwhites,and nonchristians seethe because when the US was arguably at it's peak it was racist, sexist, and homophobic so they blow every issue out of proportion like the 21st century doesn't have plenty of issues >I can't get through my day without a shitton of drugs
Ironic considering just about everyone, especially whoever made this is probably hooked on SSRI's and we give amphetimines to children.
They still turn people into zombies and they're prescribed like candy, likely to people whose brains were already burned out from being prescribed ADHD meds at 6 years old like myself
I'm pretty sure this is about a 50s version of a teen bawd who gets railed by the entire football team behind the bleachers
>All the boys are keen on the hep cat doll of seventeeeen
the fun part about music in that time is the subtlety since they couldn't just hit you in the face with edgy subject matter, stuff had to be contextual and "read between the lines."
there's no way to measure poverty and if there was the government wouldn't use it. Almost every sociological metric that any government comes up with is bullshit flag waved when politically necessary and then immediately forgotten
2 years ago
Anonymous
They have something called the poverty line, and below that income and under a certain net worth, you're elligible for welfare benefits because the money you have and make is deemed insufficient to afford basic life necessities like rent, food, and utilities. That's poverty
2 years ago
Anonymous
okay uh, income and inflation isn't uniform across states so a federal metric of income based poverty is useless. Try better next time
>blacks are savage animals! >*shoots up a grocery store of innocent people*
Always remember that the /misc/tard is a monster who should be put down for the sake of actual humans
>"were the 50's really that bad?" >*points out various reasons why the 50s were bad* >"NOOO THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE... IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY??????????????????"
No, we don’t live in a perfect cartoon drawn 50s world, and not even the 50s we’re so perfect, but they did look like that and it was good. Of course, I’m talking about white Christians. None of the text in the picture was true. People were normal with none of this awful stinking shit they want to dump onto it.
Speaking of trash, why is it so hard to just find “50s” music on the internet? No, I don’t want 50s, 60s, AND 70s, of randomly selected bullshit. I want just good 50s songs like on SiriusXM radio how they do it. No, I don’t want 50 Cent, don’t want top 50 lists of random things, don’t want 50 songs, just the 50s.
>Speaking of trash, why is it so hard to just find “50s” music on the internet? No, I don’t want 50s, 60s, AND 70s, of randomly selected bullshit. I want just good 50s songs like on SiriusXM radio how they do it. No, I don’t want 50 Cent, don’t want top 50 lists of random things, don’t want 50 songs, just the 50s.
This is a good reference book and covers a lot of stuff you might not know or heard of.
Okay, but that isn’t what I asked for. I’m asking for the internet (YouTube, search engines, wikis, etc) to understand that when we put 50s into the text search that it doesn’t frick up anymore and pretend like it doesn’t know what we are talking about. I gave you SiriusXM as a reference point, which, radio stations in America have been fricking working hard for decades figuring what good music is, this isn’t a magic practice. The internet needs to figure it the frick out or God damn it to hell. For each decade generation of music also. But individually.
what you mean is that 50s playlists are very carefully cherry picked to be only select rock and roll and doo wop hits and ignores a very large chunk of music
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes.
Where are you from? Because when I type in 50's music to google I only really get 50's music. They definitely change search results based on country
Google has done it. Thanks. Rest should follow suit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So what were you typing 50's music in and not getting 50's music? Some sort of music app? Music apps push Black person and pop music like no tomorrow because they're paid to by production companies. Also they're constantly trying to push you in one direction to change your tastes so that you'll listen to garbage.
When Spotify first started it worked much like early youtube where if you liked something BOOM you'd get everything related to it and basically never run out of music. But those days are dead and they want to force-feed you shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you just type the letter B into Google with nothing else it gives you a Cardi B video as the first search result since they deliberately game search engine algorithms for that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah, but that's how you have to be to try and get people to like brown people
2 years ago
Anonymous
I use Non-Trojan virus search engines like duckduckgo, go to bing and you will see that all the others besides google are going to shove a whole bunch of random shit when you type it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
bing has always been memed as an inferior search engine full of nonsensical trash
?t=4
2 years ago
Anonymous
>thinks any other search engine besides google is a crime
Ok well God bless.
Yea. All those paintings are kitsch art anyways meant to make boomers feel nostalgic for their childhood. Only thing good about the 50s was the economic and social growth afforded to the average American. The rise of the highway system, the criminally low price of housing and good wages. All that got stolen from us.
1. if a dude can impregnate a woman then he's not gay, bisexual maybe but not gay
2. is this image implying being gay is bad, on par with polio and child abuse
> 1. if a dude can impregnate a woman then he's not gay, bisexual maybe but not gay
If you are walking with God still and doing the right thing, but deep down loves his sin and wants to abandon it all and go be with his sexual dark desires, then it won’t survive for long. That is why the image is so stupid. It doesn’t really happen. 99.99% of married happily men who are White Christian men historically stayed married and had success and went to the grave like they were supposed to because of old age and a lack of living in the kingdom of Heaven. >2. is this image implying being gay is bad, on par with polio and child abuse
Yes, it’s an opposite extreme image that israelite psy ops do. On one spectrum, liberals promote gays. On the opposite spectrum, confederate demiurge and walrus posters post nazi and moon man / kkk propaganda to promote the appearances of something terrible like that the gays and israelites have this imagined enemy that isn’t real in hopes to satanically accuse anyone dumb enough to buy it. Satan also sometimes starts these groups in circumstances that are legitimate. Such as when the KKK started, it was for a good cause, but over time because it is racist, became used for it demonically. So it best to just avoid such things because God never called the enemies in the Bible black or Asian or red. God only calls them good or evil.
And I explained how your reasoning is so Black person subhuman that it doesn’t happen. Frick off.
Only some pedophile would do anything like that, or some democrat demon would make the image in the OP in the first place.
No, it's a stupid israelite meme. >don't believe your own eyes, goyim, everyone in the 50s was actually degenerate, now go back to eating bugs, watching porn, and living in your pod
No
Yes, it was a good period economically but there was a lot of social turmoil under the surface that just took a decade to boil over.
This is what the average npc believes about the 50s, the past in general really. They've been trained to only see the worst from the past and thus can't find the good that should be preserved or at least acknowledged.
It's weird how it's only ever stereotypically WASP-y or christian settings that get this "it's beautiful on the outside but rotten to the core on the inside!" treatment in hollywood.
It's not weird at all considering who produces the movies.
When gentiles are dirtier and more immoral than the Ostjuden great-grandparents of the scriptwriters they get the typical 'schikker iz a goy' Rabinnical contempt for am haaretz. When they're cleaner and nicer than the great-grandparents of the scriptwriter they get subjected to a seething flood of coping shtetlbilly rage about the hypocrisy and deracinated sterility of [gentile Christian] 'society'.
>every israeli person hates the 50s
The 50s are remembered quite fondly in Israel
I'm talking about a subculture US Hollywood israelites. Obviously 'da Jooz' are not all alike, and where I am they're not like American liberal israelites at all.
If we only ever knew how much money and material support went into israel from the west for real, oh God. Can you even imagine it?
ok, how about some stuff that actually happened then?
>The Little Rock Nine were a group of nine African American students enrolled in Little Rock Central High School in 1957. Their enrollment was followed by the Little Rock Crisis, in which the students were initially prevented from entering the racially segregated school by Orval Faubus, the Governor of Arkansas. They then attended after the intervention of President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
>When integration began on September 4, 1957, the Arkansas National Guard was called in to "preserve the peace". Originally at orders of the governor, they were meant to prevent the black students from entering due to claims that there was "imminent danger of tumult, riot and breach of peace" at the integration. However, President Eisenhower issued Executive order 10730, which federalized the Arkansas National Guard and ordered them to support the integration on September 23 of that year, after which they protected the African American students.[3]
>Emmett Louis Till (July 25, 1941 – August 28, 1955) was a 14-year-old African American boy who was abducted, tortured and lynched in Mississippi in 1955, after being accused of offending a white woman in her family's grocery store. The brutality of his murder and the fact that his killers were acquitted drew attention to the long history of violent persecution of African Americans in the United States. Till posthumously became an icon of the civil rights movement.[2]
You literally just proved their fricking point you absolute muffinhead
Yeah, and in the 60s a family of hippies killed innocent women and children and a doctor sexually tortured two children to believe they were the opposite sex.
Shit happens in every decade, that doesn’t define it.
racial segregation didn't "define" the 50s? lol. It was a pretty major event for the Federal government to intervene in school desegregation by sending in the National Guard, and for there to be landmark Supreme Court cases like Brown v. Board of Education.
It not being "all bad" or we have problems now too is just coping and moving the goalposts.
>racial segregation didn't "define" the 50s?
No. No more than any decade prior.
>It was a pretty major event for the Federal government to intervene in school desegregation by sending in the National Guard, and for there to be landmark Supreme Court cases like Brown v. Board of Education.
Yeah moron, because it was the decade where discrimination started being addressed. Do you think there was no segregation prior to 1950, you absolute tard?
it didnt define the 50s, and segregation isnt even bad.
Name one good reason why Americans shouldnt have freedom of association
>racial segregation didn't "define" the 50s? lol. It was a pretty major event for the Federal government to intervene in school desegregation by sending in the National Guard, and for there to be landmark Supreme Court cases like Brown v. Board of Education.
So then wouldn't it be desegregation that defined the 50s? Or really, the 60s since that's when it really took effect culturally
Yes, but the 60's aren't fetishized by reactionary WASPs
Why does diversity always cause problems?
>catcall a white woman
>in FRICKING MISSISSIPPI
>get lynched
Wow, who would have fricking figured?
>Lynching a child is a perfectly reasonable reaction to catcalling
One thing the KKK and Wellesley College radical feminists might agree on kek
is this an argument for the 50s or against
Yeah that’s a good thing
They had better societal cohesion than modern Americans
They called the army out to let kids go to school. By what metric is that "cohesive"?
That was an event that broke cohesion
>Black folk Black folk Black folk
if this is all you have, life was great
You make posts like this and wonder why you were separated from the actual people
>Emmet Till is why le 50s was tyrannical
Who yous whistlin at, boy?
After being around white women, many of whom had BPD, I do not want to imagine living in a reality where one of them can just order your brutal execution on a whim.
Just suppress the urge to rape them and you'll be fine
Imagine taking any of the tens of thousands of black-on-white crime in the last few years and saying "this defines the 21st century"
Emmett Till's murder was no ordinary crime. It was far more gruesome than most murders, and the perpetrators got away with it.
Blacks commit gruesome crimes today, and at a far greater rate too
You mean gang violence? Most of that is fairly ordinary gang shootings, botched drug deals, or domestic disputes, and especially if the victim is white the authorities usually try to get involved.
No
Not an argument.
That made international headlines.
>please care about black propaganda
no
post hand mutt
go be black somewhere else
>That made international headlines
It was spread on social media for a week and now forgotten. There aren't going to be books written about it and a memorial put in place so we can remember it and bring it up every year on its anniversary.
It was mentioned in newspapers overseas, moron.
yeah, lots of countries liked pushing the memes of black plight because it made the US look bad. Btu they were always overblown
I meant the story about the old lady.
Has this had an effect on anything? Are there calls for the black community now to reflect on themselves and their racism and the brutality they inflict on innocent white people?
Did the newspapers even make statements about their race or just "youths and an elderly woman"?
When a black person gets killed, the story sticks around for a century and fundamentally alters the country. The opposite is a blip in a newsreel.
Why would there be, unless it's a hate crime or the defendants were acquitted by a biased system?
>Why would there be
It's a lot more relevant than Emmett Till
Is it a hate crime where the defendants were acquitted by a biased jury?
Biases in the justice system aren't real but should be.
Officially I don't think it was counted as a hate crime, though then again a black guy shooting a white kid in the back of the head and saying "frick these white motherfrickers" wasn't charged as a hate crime either. It is representative of the indifference of black people to the wellbeing of white people, seeing them as just a victim to be abused. In this case, the victim was completely innocent, unlike the Till case where the attack was a reaction to something he did, even if it was an overreaction.
>then again a black guy shooting a white kid in the back of the head and saying "frick these white motherfrickers" wasn't charged as a hate crime either
Source? There's no reluctance on the part of the FBI to record anti-white crimes, so I don't know why you'd think the authorities have some aversion to it.
https://sfist.com/2020/11/19/arrest-made-in-seemingly-random-june-killing-of-uc-berkeley-student/
>Investigators have said that Walker became hostile during multiple searches of his apartment, and in one instance allegedly said, "A white kid gets killed and the damn whole world stops. Frick that white motherfricker."
He got voluntary manslaughter instead of murder, which means in legal terms that it was deemed reasonable that he saw a random, innocent white teenager and went into a violent rage and had to shoot him dead. A "crime of passion" that apparently anyone would be compelled to do.
It doesn't mean it was reasonable. If it was reasonable he wouldn't have been convicted of anything.
Reasonable =/= legal. It's the same charge given when a man walks home to find his wife in bed with another man and kills them on the spot. Something that people can understand would provoke someone to immediate violence, but doesn't make it legal to do, though it comes with a lighter sentence.
if you're going to cry about blacks why not do it in the other 5 threads about blacks you made today
I'm not OP and as far as I can tell this thread wasn't about black people to begin with.
so why are you talking about black people
Because people like you entered a thread about the pros and cons of 1950s America (presumably for Americans, white people), and a tangent was started to try to center everything around black people using the most inconsequential event that could have been invoked
nobody was talking about blacks until black apologists randomly started bringing up lynchings. Are you a black apologist?
>nobody was talking about blacks until black apologists randomly started bringing up lynchings.
And I brought it back down.
Look up the "reasonable person" standard.
>black kids kidnap mentally moronic white kid
>post a video of them beating the shit out of him on the internet while calling him cracker
>5 months community service
>not a hate crime
Frick yourself.
Not him, but yes, that’s called a democrat police state when the police aren’t arresting Biden and his son, but they will arrest Navarro and threaten Trump (the actual president).
Oh yeah and black crime victims seem to get a lot less attention, with the exception of some hate crime victims, who are notable for their own reason.
Interracial violence is HEAVILY skewed in one direction, and not the direction you probably think. The sociopathy and opportunism of blacks is a deadly combination.
y'all don't know shit.
If black history is shit then I agree
What about that gruesome incident in which a group of black children stole a car from and old white woman by tossing her out the door and the seat belt ripped off her arm and smeared her across the pavement?
Of course you don't, that shit doesn't get media attention and when it does it's quickly covered up by some less horrendous bullshit.
Diversity creates demand for racism.
Racism is unfortunately a part of the human psyche. There's no demand for it. It is part of life in homogeneous societies too.
>le past was good, tho
you are the fricking npc
He's literally just saying its more complicated than one conclusion, dumb frick.
People did die from all kinds of disease, iron lungs existed, doctors would prescribe shit like thalidomide causing thousands of fetal malformation, or do a fricking lobotomy if you had any kind of neurotic personality, not to mention conversion therapy and a lot of shit like that, that's a reason why baby boomers are so fricked up as a generation
Psychiatry and psychology were also very primitive by our standards. Most of the drugs now used to safely treat mental illnesses hadn't been invented or thoroughly tested yet, and ethical standards weren't thoroughly enforced.
It's only marginally better now
>doctors would prescribe shit like thalidomide causing thousands
I think the USA actually never approved thalidomide because one person in the FDA board stalled on approving it.
Children died frequently from stuff that's treatable now like premature births, respiratory infections, cancer, congenital defects, etc.
thalidomide moment
Everyone everywhere at all time was miserable, apart from the hyper rich.
No.
Why do leftists always presume everyone is as mentally ill and miserable as them
Leftists love to project their mental illnesses on ordinary people. Sure, there might be examples of abuse, discontent, and dissatisfaction, but those still exist today and across the world.
These people are crazy and can't conceptualize of being normal.
The 50’s was the first decade where women actually started going to college tho.
Why don’t you fricking ask your grandparents? Jesus Christ.
Lefties cope
funny how the strawman doesn't address any of the actual problems with the 50s
Any problems of the 50s pale in comparasion to modern societal ills.
the whole mass lead poisoning debacle seems like a pretty big deal but that's a mid 20th century thing in general
I'll take the 50s over clown world thanks
>THERE WAS ONE LITTLE PROBLEM THEREFORE IT WAS ALL SHIT AND HORRIBLE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THIS
>DON'T THINK ABOUT THE 50S
>DON'T QUESTION THE COUNTERCULTURE
>COUNTERCULTURE GOOD
>50S BAD
>THE 50S WERE BAD
>50S WAS BAD
>50S BAD
>OK
Why are you so pathologically desperate to shit on the 50s? Why do you spend countless hours on a Laotian rice wine brewing discussion forum trying to convince people who are noninfluential losers anyway not to have a positive view of the 50s. It was a time when trad blended with the modern which is a massive threat to you and everything you believe and an era demonized by boomers, I guess that has something to do with it. It is amazing though how completely brainwashed you are.
Sure there were "le problemrinos", and there are problems today. Your precious leftist society is not quite as perfect as you imagine, for example communities have broken down. You worship black people, you believe they are special snowflake victims, well consider gang violence wasn't as much of a problem in the 50s. You claim to be conscientious and enlightened yet you simply ignore problems such as this. Sure some things from the 50s had to change, but some changes were not good. We need to go back, we need to be more wholesome and upbeat like upstanding 50s folks.
The 1950s is the counter culture for most of the world outside of the New World. The American victors exported liberal values to their half of Europe and to Japan. The Germany of 1955 was unrecognizable to the Germany of 1905, whereas the US had merely developed its liberal ideals since the early 20th century.
What are the unique problems with the 50s? That there was racism? Sure, but considerably less than any decade to that point, it was the first decade since reconstruction where Civil Rights laws were being passed and people like you believe there's still widespread racism today. That there was disease? Sure, diseases existed. Diseases also exist today. Not sure if you're aware, but we're dealing with both Covid and Monkeypox now.
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No the 50s weren’t bad.
redditoids and neo-liberals just can’t admit that the 50s were actually good because they are required to see the past as nothing but annal of unenlighted darkness.
It’s the only thing that justifies there autistic and nihilistic pursuit of progress for progress sake.
Think about it, if the past was good progress might not be all they make it out to be and therefore what they are pushing might not actually be justified or desirable.
All the problems listed in the OP are strawmen.
>the 50s weren't bad because abloobloo muh reddit muh librulz
Why can't you dysgenics ever formulate an argument instead of rambling about le other team?
>b…..but…..but the 50s were bad because…… they just were ok!
>w-what do you mean you wish you had a well-paying union job straight out of high school? Don't you know there was RACISM back then???
>w-what do you mean you wish you had a well-paying union job straight out of high school?
So, some areas in the Northeast and Midwest? I guarantee you wouldn't find that in Arkansas or Mississippi or quite a few other places; while the ads showed glamorous 50s couples stepping into their new Buick outside the debutante ball, you might be living in a hovel without running water or electricity and driving a 10 year old car.
>It’s more like...
It was too good so they allowed all vices to enter.
hahaha
>file
Gemerald
They were way better than now and it's not even close.
it was better than previous decades but worse than following decades
I think most people who lived through the 50s, 60s and 70s would tell you the 50s was the best of the three, at least in America.
the 1960s had the summer of love and the British invasion
what did the 1950s have?
>what did the 1950s have?
What didn't it have?
That's Elvis in the 70s you moronic zoomer
>the 1960s had the summer of love and the British invasion
Both movements specifically tailored to youths, and the first one only to hippies, a vast minority of the population and keep in mind, this was in response to the many problems going on in the decade.
>what did the 1950s have?
No draft, no war, no race riots, far less political violence and assassinations, a less divided country and better movies.
>No draft
what about Korea?
>no war
what about Korea?
>no race riots, less political violence and assassinations
all things that happened later because of the failure to deal with the issues during the 1950s. It was certainly better to be black in the 1960s than the 1950s.
>a less divided country
the Soviet Union was arguably less divided than the US in the 1950s, does that mean the 1950s USSR was a better place to live in than the US?
>better movies
highly subjective and likely untrue
>what about Korea?
The Korean War lasted three years. It didn't consume the entire decade like Vietnam did and it didn't have as many conscription or deaths, nor did it lead to large scale protests and social movements opposed to it.
>all things that happened later because of the failure to deal with the issues during the 1950s
Or, literally any other decade prior to the 50s. And some of the legislation passed is what led to the political violence and assassinations.
>It was certainly better to be black in the 1960s than the 1950s.
It depends where you were located. For blacks that lived in the North or out West, there was already little to no segregation or overt discrimination.
>the Soviet Union was arguably less divided than the US in the 1950s
I doubt that.
>does that mean the 1950s USSR was a better place to live in than the US?
No, and comparing the two makes no sense, as they're completely different countries. America 5 or 6 years removed from the 50s is still the same country with the same citizens and culture. Further, that was only one point.
>highly subjective and likely untrue
It's not.
Vietnam is only remembered as negatively as it is because America lost. If the war had ended with South Vietnam still existing and North Vietnam giving up then it would probably be remembered more like Korea is today and the anti-war movement would have been forgotten.
>the 1960s had the summer of love
Immorality is not a positive.
>what did the 1950s have?
more employment opportunities
Better pay
Less addiction
No open degeneracy
Less race riots
Less pointless wars in the Middle East
Less political division
The leftoid propaganda was at least higher quality
More homogeneous communities
Less Commie homosexualry
>love and rejection of a pointless war is immoral
Snufkin would be fricking ashamed to see a cretin like you using his image
>love and rejection of pointless war
Except it wasn't love it was degenerative nymphomaniac behavior and it wasn't a rejection of war but an embrace of drugs.
This tbh
>Less race riots
>Less pointless wars in the Middle East
>Less political division
The 1950s literally is what led to these things (minus political division, which always existed)
It really wasn’t ww2 was over people for the most part were optimistic and they also had this can do attitude because a nuclear bomb could wipe them out at any moment but overall things were on the up
I think it's important to note that leftists spend far more time trying to convince us how horrible and oppressive the 1950s were then they do to try to lionize and vindicate the radicals and terrorists of the 1960s. You'd think they'd be proud of Weather Underground and the Black Panthers, but nope, they try and pretend that the bombings and assassinations and riots never happened.
They don't have this much seething towards the 20s, or the 80s, or any other decade that gets romanticized. Why does the 50s trigger them like a vampire towards a crucifix?
No other decade in living memory was so idolized.
WU and its ilk get some attention but everyone acknowledges them as crazies.
>everyone acknowledges them as crazies
Angela Davis was a terrorist with direct ties to the Soviet Union who sold weapons to someone who murdered 4 people, and today she's lauded as a civil rights icon, who tours the country giving speeches and talks. Not everyone acknowledges the 60s radicals as crazies.
Wasn't she acquitted?
If you win you are radical, not crazy. That's the main distinction between the two.
so many anachronisms here
OTC pharmaceuticals are a modern phenomenon, the average housewife wouldn't have access to drugs.
polio actually started to decline in the mid-50s (thanks to the vaccine) and it was left-leaning editorial boards that were warning against "polio hysteria"
women have always been able to attend college and oberlin (a coed school) is actually older than any women's college in the US.
pants on women were very common and completely legal in the 50s
I'm pretty sure most of these things started to decline around the 1920's (after WWI).
>I cant get through my day without a shitload of drugs
Is that any different from today? Everyone in my life but me seems to be on anti-drpressants and Adderall.
The Polio Vaccine also came out in the 1940's so that doesn't apply to an image regarding the 50's.
Women's colleges have also been around since the 1800's.
This whole image was made by someone completely historically illiterate.
Stop reposting the same exact thread every week
yeah the 50s were corny sometimes but this was still infinitely better than anything Lil Xan could ever come up with
>Google Image search "1955"
>half the fricking pics I get are related to Emmitt Till as if that was the single most important event in the entire world that year
>downplaying the horrific murder of a 14 year old where the killers got away with it because the kid was black
I don't believe in hell but you people sure deserve it
One dead Black person 70 years ago is not that big of a deal.
You will never have a real ethnostate
>you people
> I don't believe in hell but
why are you like this?
14 year old blacks got killed with no consequences before, after, and during the 50s. They're still getting killed today.
it is a significant story and captures a moment in time. He was so horribly disfigured that you couldn't even make out his face and his mother insisted on an open casket funeral so people could see how badly her son was beaten.
Why are you even on a history board?
Not to talk about boring ass black history
It's American history.
Black history isn't really history, no
Ah yes, the '50s
>inhale DDT spray
>drink a fifth of Jack Daniels
>beat your wife senseless for not making your favorite Jell-O salad
>your son is gay but he has to stay in the closet and live a lie
>your wife is on pills most of the day
>your daughter gets knocked up at 15 and has to get a back alley abortion that may kill or leave her sterilized (John Roberts and Amy Coney-Barrett would love to bring back this paradise)
>punch a random black guy in the face on your way to work
>get in a car accident and have your face crushed by a metal steering wheel because car safety hasn't been invented yet
if everyone was gay then, why isnt everyone gay now?
All they can point to about how life has improved with their ~~*progress*~~ is how much better it is to be a sodomite. Better for gays, prostitutes, and blacks. For everyone else it's much worse. Everyone else lost their happy middle class lives with home ownership, good employment, lasting marriages, children raised in safe christian environments.
The wife taking pills bit is the most hilarious absurdity considering the insane percentage of the population today that is taking prescription drugs to help them cope with this morally and spiritually empty hellscape that has been constructed.
Anxiolytics like barbiturates and later valium and other benzos were specifically marketed towards house wives. They were literally invented to treat the condition of being a woman. Have you ever heard the Rolling Stones song Mother's Little Helper?
>your son is gay but he has to stay in the closet and live a lie
so basically, not gay
>he's not gay if I don't see it
Sounds pretty great
You’re mentally ill.
Source: my heccin favorite subversive HBO show!
>ummm, didn't you know that white people just went around beating Black folk and everyone was secretly gay and sad??? everyone was miserable before trans rights and corn syrup you know!!
what morons are told to believe:
>liberals destroyed America
what actually happened:
>crush unions
>export manufacturing
>incentivize speculative rent seeking investment
>cut taxes on the highest incomes so there is no inventive to spread around the gains
>destruction of the family and women entering the workforce
Manufacturing migrating to the third world to take advantage of slave labour was inevitable once containerization happened and shipping costs became negligible. No amount of legislation could have stopped it.
Everything else you listed (and the downfall of western society in general) is a direct product of this.
>was inevitable
>nothing could have stopped it
protective tariffs could have
>Put frickhuge tariffs on everything
>Johnny Everyman sees everything being cheap as shit in canada or whatever uropeen nation doesn't impose them, gets jealous and demands they are removed because he wants his cheap plastic cups and he wants them now and doesn't care about what's going to happen 20 years into the future
Gj.
>sacrificing everyone's standard of living to have cheap plastic cups is the right move
When did I say it's the right thing? It's only what the people want. People are dumb and impulsive. They NEED their cheap plastic cups.
Yes that's called Capitalism. Profit over everything else.
>incoming non-arguments and ranting about muh trannies
It's what Joe Everyman would tell his Congressman to do. This is a result of the system our Founders setup.
Not enough people think about this. We basically took away all productive capabilities from western countries, but the population kept rising. The only people who could ever benefit from this are the very wealthy owners of the means of production who own the factories in China & India.
The west basically sold its soul for cheap plastic shit. We’re practically doomed because those jobs aren’t coming back. People like to talk about how great automization will be, but they fail to understand that the fruits of this will not be accessible by the common man.
stop getting information about a period from commercial ads, television shows, or newspapers.
>stop getting information about a period from contemporary sources. Only trust texts written by nepotistic academics after 2010
No.
>just....stop learning okay!!!
> Propaganda is true!
>the ramblings of childless neurotic israelites in academia aren’t propaganda
lol
1950s social realist films and social issues documentaries still accidentally make it look utopian if you compare it to present day America
I unironiclly had a 1950s style childhood growing up in the 90s and it's great. I'm way more stable and happy than the kids my age whose parents were part of some kind of counter-cultural movement.
It was good in America because every other country had been bombed to shit so they had a monopoly on manufacturing for 10 years
It was objectively way worse than today in Europe, Australia, Japan and the entire third world
>Australia
If there's any other country besides Canada that was living the high life in the 1950s, it's Australia. They might have even been wealthier than the average American, Ozzieland was absolutely doing fine.
Sweden and Switzerland were also prospering.
>women didn’t wear pants or go to college in the 50’s
>child molestation was socially acceptable in the 50’s
The 50’s were the liminal space between modernity and postmodernity, so ai guess that’s why lefties hate it, because its the uncanny valley of values.
the 50's via the lense of a israeli tv or movie script writer
The 50s were bad but not for the reason this meme gives. It was the decade where the "modern" American lifestyle of car-dependent suburbia and fast food and supermarkets instead of locally-owned small businesses really began.
>mmuh small business meme
fact is large corporations not only give you better product but are better places to work for--workplace safety standards are better, wages, pensions. many mom and pop businesses do all kinds of shady shit. also they're more likely to be connected with organized crime. replacement of local businesses with mega chains like McDonalds and Wal-Mart over time reduced organized crime's presence in America.
The presence of organised crime may have waned, but do you really think that American society as a whole is less corrupt now? Organised crime was able to exist because local businesses were (relatively) independent power bases of the middle class. The only reason that organised crime doesn't exist in the same fashion is that power (political and economic) is so far out of the hands of everyday people that there is nothing to target but these massive corporations.
>replacement of local businesses with mega chains like McDonalds and Wal-Mart over time reduced organized crime's presence in America
As Ray Kroc said, when he first started most hamburger places were juke joints full of biker gangs and nobody was going to take their nice middle class family to eat there.
That isn’t a scientific comparison. We can scale entrepreneurialism and also suppress corruption.
This is the most moronic take I've heard on IQfy in a long, long while. You just traded the 'breaking kneecaps' kind of organized crime with the 'this massive megacorporation holding a practical monopoly over basic industries whose profits are a good chunk of the entire nation's national product can lobby the government to fiddle with worker's rights and any other legislation they wish for' type of organized crime, which, I don't know if you've noticed from the freefalling standard of living in the past 30 years, is pretty fricking bad and I'd rather get the shit kicked out of me by a greasy italian any day.
This is caused by population size, not anything else. Limit unconditional reproduction and the problem is fixed easily.
>THE PAST WAS WORSE IN EVERY WAY THE PRESENT IS THE BEST TIME TO HAVE EVER LIVED I AM HAPPY I AM HAPPY THINGS ARE PERFECT
Bullshit.
>I'm secretly gay
>now I'm a degenerate and form people's opinion of what is a typical gay man, making decent gay men more lonely and ashamed than ever before
>I have polio
>now I have cancer due to the amount of toxic chemicals and additives I unwittingly ingest
>I'm not allowed to wear pants or go to college
>now I have to wear pants or I'm accused of perpetuating gender stereotypes or some bullshit
>I can't get through my day without a shit ton of drugs
>implying this has changed
>I beat the shit out of my son and molested my daughter
>implying this has changed
This image is israeli communist projection of their own problems onto a picture of a healthy and happy white family.
>muh israelites
>muh commies
You forgot Black folk, obsessed moron.
Oh no, gay men would just have sex with women (which obviously worked because they had kids) and raise a family instead of sniffing poppers and getting their shitters blown out by strangers? The horror!
They didn't though. They'd get married, neglect their poor wife, and continue fricking twinks' poop chutes.
The 60s were a backlash, you need to have balance, just enough degeneracy to not let it boil up and explode. Just enough systematic christian conservatism to keep it running.
Also the US had an unfair economic advantage because the rest of the world was in shambles.
>from the twisted mind of Jordan Peele
I hope, I want the boomers to have had a terrible time.
Probably about as good or bad as anytime on the whole. mainstream culture was pretty vapid and dull just like always. stepping outside the mainstream there was cool shit going on like always. white veterans got pretty well taken care of, but that's of course impingent on having participated in a large and awful war, so it's dishonest to act like the GI Bill, Levittown etc. were all some kind of 50s windfall. The price was paid beforehand. It's also true that people who weren't as lucky in the 50s often had a pretty hard time, which is basically standard for human history. Crime was worse than now in most ways. There's good reasons why people were so powerfully drawn to the symbols of watercolor suburban idyll that developed around this time, and it wasn't because people in general suddenly became especially conformist and morally uptight. Consider that the generation of swing-dancing gin-swilling young men from the 40s were raising kids and shit by now
All the idealizations in advertisement from this period apparently seem more legit and accurate to some people because they were painted by urban college types instead being photos and videos taken by urban college types today. That's fricking stupid. On the other hand, it's also no more fake than the marketing universe seen today. The wise don't see some lost reality when viewing this bullshit, they see a mirror
I suppose it's more that those 50s hot dog ads represented an idealized life you could aspire to. It may have been fantasy but at least it was a positive fantasy and not the deconstructivism seen in American culture today.
>deconstructivism seen in American culture today
you mean in modern hot dog ads? what destructive deconstructive fantasy do you observe in modern advertising, moron? Fresh scented laundry? Integrated barbecues?
Here might be your problem, dumb-dumb, you're contrasting advertising in one period with "culture" of another. Wienerworld aspiration is precisely the kind of homosexualy conceit that possesses people who cannot or care not to distinguish between advertising, the various spheres of culture, and real life
Deconstructivism is when you have a Tide detergent ad showing a gay or trans couple folding laundry so Procter and Gamble get their tax credits from the government for diversity in advertising.
Not that guy, but a lot of modern commercials still are some ideal fantasy of attractive laughing, racially diverse people hanging out and drinking coke.
On the other hand, something like the infamous Gillette "men are bad" commercial would never have happened back then.
>Crime was worse than now in most ways
People used to sleep with their doors unlocked and let their kids play on the street. It wasn't until the 70's crime wave that we take being mugged and murderraped every time you step outside your little fortress of an apartment as a given.
>b-but the suburban idyll
most people didn't live in suburbs, they lived in cities. Here's another problem your type has: you think that the suburban idyll featured in advertising is how everyone lived. It's not
>no crime before the 70s
Son,
My grandparents did live in a classic postwar suburb. They were among the fortunate ones, in a lot of the flyover states it still looked like the early 20th century.
Literally nobody brought up suburbs in that post, moron.
No, the fact is that ideologically compromised people are unable to form a nuanced view of history.
Obviously idealistic depictions of any historical period shouldn't be taken at face value, but overcorrecting everything to it's near opposite is often less factual.
Think about the flipflopping between medieval Christianity being the source or bane of all scientific knowledge.
The Founders were imperfect men and not deities, but they also weren't barbaric racist slaveowning Indian-killers.
I'll ignore the bait at the end and acknowledge they were just a bunch of dudes acting on their own upper class self interest, but all countries need a national mythos to look up to. If you take that away, you are left with a bunch of disillusioned depressed buttholes.
The french revolution was a massacre, but the ideals of freedom should be looked up to. The roman empire was a corrupt shithole but it's grandiosity should be imitated.
The bible has a lot of weird shit in it but a shared set of principles unifies people.
>inb4 reshaping history into a fairytale is good when I do it!
Yes.
>I'll ignore the bait at the end and acknowledge they were just a bunch of dudes acting on their own upper class self interest
For quite a few of the Federalists I'd agree this was true, though Thomas Jefferson was a genuine idealist and the real "father" of American democracy.
Thomas Jefferson was the worst hypocrite of the lot. Fricker's first memory was being put on a saddle by slaves and he lived like a Roman warlord on the back of his slaves for the remainder of his life. It's not even funny how badly Jefferson's hypocrisy manages to taint the entire American Revolution. When foreigners want propaganda to delegitimize the whole nation, they immediately bring up his slaves
You said it yourself, he was born into it, he had zero choice on the matter, and its not like he could have just let his slaves run free in Virginia, or like he was some monster who tortured them.
He could have set his slaves free in his will like George Washington, but doing so would have ruined his family so he opted against forcing the tyranny of having to work a real job upon them
If you understood his position on slavery, you'd understand why he wouldn't just release hundreds of slaves into the state. His view was always that slavery is a great evil but that we shouldn't carelessly end it without ensuring that the end result had those slaves away from American society. Not because he hated black people but because he could see hundreds of years ahead of time that trying to have different races living together is disunifying and makes any democratic principle impossible to practice.
Pretty sure that Jefferson was alive when Haiti turned into a massive shitstorm of violence and massacre
I don't think he expected that kind of violent uprising but here's two of his most famous quotes
>It will probably be asked, Why not retain and incorporate the blacks into the state, and thus save the expense of supplying, by importation of white settlers, the vacancies they will leave? Deep rooted prejudices entertained by the whites; ten thousand recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provocations; the real distinctions which nature has made; and many other circumstances, will divide us into parties, and produce convulsions, which will probably never end but in the extermination of the one or the other race.
>Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate, than that these people are to be free; nor is it less certain that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction between them.
His position was more that in addition to the bad history between the two groups making unity hard to achieve, there's enough difference between whites and blacks as people that they aren't ever going to see themselves as one, and each will form communities and look out for themselves, always stepping on each others' toes, fighting or offending each other.
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/01-29-02-0405
>Perhaps the first chapter of this history, which has begun in St. Domingo, and the next succeeding ones which will recount how all the whites were driven from all the other islands, may prepare our minds for a peaceable accomodation between justice, policy and necessity, and1 furnish an answer to the difficult question Whither shall the coloured emigrants go? And the sooner we put some plan under way, the greater hope there is that it may be permitted to proceed peaceably to it’s ultimate effect. But if something is not done, and soon done, we shall be the murderers of our own children.
Ah, thanks. Still, that fits alongside the other quotes. Race relations of all kinds have a poor history the world over. If he saw any of the race riots over the years after a black person gets killed by police, he'd probably liken that to Haiti.
Nah, modern race riots are slightly rowdy parties compared to the horrors of Haiti. It was wholesale slaughter on both sides, people being killed in the most violent ways possible. Napoleon sent one of his generals to Haiti to put down the revolt and that general got his ass handed to him before dying of tropical diseases. And the cherry on top of it all was that the French government had been warned repeatedly that Haiti was a powder keg waiting to blow, but the money was too important during the French Revolution and they passed the buck.
>Nah, modern race riots are slightly rowdy parties compared to the horrors of Haiti.
Of course, but the point is that it's the type of racial unrest that he saw as inevitable if we became a mixed society under one government
>If you understood his position on slavery, you'd understand why he wouldn't just release hundreds of slaves into the state.
Good point, he was heavily financially invested in slavery and would have become quite poor if he released all his slaves while he was alive or supported a ban in his own state.
>its not like he could have just let his slaves run free in Virginia
Why the frick not? There've been freedmen in Virginia since like the 1600s
>When foreigners want propaganda to delegitimize the whole nation, they immediately bring up his slaves
Yeah cause the only bigger morons than these commies and shitskins are the fricking idiots listening to them.
The 70's was actually where American life went completely breasts up, and we still haven't recovered.
>gets BTFO in last thread
>jannies prune it
>start another thread
The kids who grew up in the 50's ended up being the worst generation this world has ever seen. Yea it was pretty bad.
Exactly, a lot of shitty things must have happened to had such a fricked up generation
Every home had a television, and television is even worse for the internet, because there are no alternatives to big money news media. You leave a television on in the living room and you can make whatever you want out of the viewers.
Kind of, yeah. There were problems just like any other time, and people back then faced things that are unheard of or rarer today.
The 1950s is one of those topics that is impossible to discuss without excessive autism from chronically online homosexuals on both sides of the political spectrum. It's too politicized now, so either deluded American Rightists will insist it was heaven and butthurt lefties will insist it was literally Hell.
Uh-oh, looks like bad things happened in the past. Guess we can’t take any of the good concepts from that tainted pool. Better live in a techno-feudal mulatto state instead just to be safe.
People living through it hated it and venerated the 1920’s or 1890’s as “the good old days”
>strawman argument from NPR
Into the trash it goes. Also weren't all the racists back then Democrats?
>it’s not true if I don’t feel like it is
By the 50’s they had already broken off into the Dixiecrats and you never actually see anyone lionizing the 50’s calling for a return of unions and higher taxes and regulations on large corporations
>and you never actually see anyone lionizing the 50’s calling for a return of unions
Unions were mostly an artifact of having a lot of first and second generation European immigrants. As they aged out and their kids became completely assimilated as Americans it was inevitable that organized labor declined.
>and higher taxes
It's almost as if the government had to pay off its debts from two wars.
>and regulations on large corporations
There were way less of those in the 50s than today. Most of those appeared in the 60s onward. There was no EPA in 1955 after all.
>w-w-we don’t actually want the things that guaranteed a good quality of life we just want racism to be cool again
I know
> There was no EPA in 1955 after all.
No but there was just leaded gasoline fumes poisoning an entire generation of children. But I’m referring to anti-trust regulations that made it so that the boss only made 20-35 times what his lowest employee did, rather than the 500+ amount that it is today, and they sheltered their money by dumping it into public works projects instead of storing it in a tax haven
imagine peddling black conspiracy theories on a history board
Imagine thinking that hot dog and cigarette advertisements reflect reality
Imagine being moronic
>and they sheltered their money by dumping it into public works projects instead of storing it in a tax haven
LOLno everyone used tax shelters in the 50s. The tax code was full of loopholes so you could easily get away with paying very little.
Yes, by dumping their money into community projects because off shore bank accounts wasn’t a thing yet
I don’t have to imagine it I see morons on IQfy every day
>dumping their money into community projects
what does that even mean in a braindead liberal's mind?
>There were way less of those in the 50s than today. Most of those appeared in the 60s onward. There was no EPA in 1955 after all.
Back then you could buy a gun in a mail order catalog.
Yes, and...?
Unions fell apart as the NLRB and bills like Taft-Hartley worked to completely undercut them and break their ability to effectively organize.
He's right, unions were only for immigrants. The only thing unions do today is keep out illegal mexicans
>There were way less of those in the 50s than today. Most of those appeared in the 60s onward. There was no EPA in 1955 after all.
Some things were more regulated in the 50s such as the financial sector (Glass-Steagle lasted into the 90s) and the airline industry, in other regards like environmental regs there wasn't much.
>Strom Thurmond literally switches from the Dems to the Republicans
>"B-b-but Democrats are the REAL racists!'
Can't believe this Boomer tier rhetoric makes it's way here
They don’t realize how transparently stupid it looks
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they where made as part of reconciliation with the south. on that principle alone they should be kept, not that leftists know about principles.
And Al Gore Sr., Orville Faubus, and all the others who died Democrats were...?
I want all of those things the leftist listed, AND the 90% White population
>can't get through my day without a shit ton of drugs
but thats just me living in 2022 as a male wage slave
the difference being in the 50s you could get a slew of pharmaceuticals if you were white. I fricking wished I could get some quualudes and codeine for some bullshit I made up.
>hard as balls to score drugs or porn in the 50s
>anyone can easily buy cigarettes or a rifle
Then again...
Easily explained. In the 50s, we were waging the Cold War and nicotine and amphetamines were necessary to fuel guys with wire-rimmed glasses who could design an aircraft or missile. As time went on, the ruling class's needs changed and it became more advantageous to promote marijuana use instead of nicotine.
>1950s: No drugs, full of guns.
>2020s: No guns, full of drugs.
This is a certified Aldous Huxley moment.
it had it's ups and downs
downs
>social repression
>long work hours for men
>vast inequality
>sterile culture
>permissive about certian kinds of crimes nad abuses
>psychiatric system was going nuts back then if you were mentally ill you could get lobotmized or get hard drugs that frick up your body nd mind
ups
>extreme economic prosperity
>tight knit communities
>upward mobility for anyone who tries pretty much
>could raise a family on a single income
>economy hasn't uprooted families yet
it's a mixed bag but all and all was probably the most pleasant time in history to live in thus far.
>extreme economic prosperity
i'd like you to go to rural Kentucky in the 50s and see how many people lived like in Jell-O ads. poverty rates nationwide were still over 20%.
Oh right, I forgot how LBJ "conquered" poverty by redefining anyone on public assistance as not in poverty.
Source?
That's what he did with the War on Poverty. If you were on welfare, the government no longer counted you as below the poverty line. Result was the poverty figure magically "dropped" with the stroke of a pen.
Source?
Yeah, LBJ was one of the greatest criminals this country has ever known
nope and anyone saying or claiming it is wasnt even alive in that time to comment on it and are making up lies off their readings online and some youtubers going le 50s sexist bad times
my dad was alive in the 50's. he told me both good and bad things about it like any other era in history
My dad lived through it too. He talked about living in a 4 room house and grew up having to sleep on the porch while his 4 sisters shared a bedroom. He laughs when he recalls his mom putting a damp blanket on a fan in a futile attempt to cool off the uninsulated house in the summer. He talked about being a caddie as a kid and having to put up with bullies and being the same race didn’t stop them. My grandmother swore to her dying breath that it was nothing short of a miracle that she didn’t lose a kid.
i've seen online collections of death certificates from the 50s. child deaths were so common in those days from disease, congenital defects, or accidents..
Basically it was a good time to live overall because the economy was booming and it was a relatively peaceful time despite being the start of the cold war. It still had its bad with some social problems that ended up culminating into what the 60s were. It’s was pretty much a result of the United States was at the time. But, in classical IQfy fashion, homosexuals here ignore history and pretend that going back to the way it was is completely possible.
>I beat the shit out of my son and molested my daughter and no one will ever do a goddamn thing about it
Based 1950s grandpa.
Am I going crazy or is this a mini Mandela effect? I never noticed the grandpa in the corner before and I've been checking this thread regularly and looking at the image.
No I saw that image years ago with the grandpa
It's revisionism because israelites can't stand whites being happy and it makes gays, nonwhites,and nonchristians seethe because when the US was arguably at it's peak it was racist, sexist, and homophobic so they blow every issue out of proportion like the 21st century doesn't have plenty of issues
>I can't get through my day without a shitton of drugs
Ironic considering just about everyone, especially whoever made this is probably hooked on SSRI's and we give amphetimines to children.
SSRIs are way safer than the antidepressants we had 60 years ago.
They still turn people into zombies and they're prescribed like candy, likely to people whose brains were already burned out from being prescribed ADHD meds at 6 years old like myself
>being gay is as bad as having Polio
top kek
I'm pretty sure this is about a 50s version of a teen bawd who gets railed by the entire football team behind the bleachers
>All the boys are keen on the hep cat doll of seventeeeen
the fun part about music in that time is the subtlety since they couldn't just hit you in the face with edgy subject matter, stuff had to be contextual and "read between the lines."
Poverty was higher for sure.
poverty is a made up metric
Elaborate.
there's no way to measure poverty and if there was the government wouldn't use it. Almost every sociological metric that any government comes up with is bullshit flag waved when politically necessary and then immediately forgotten
They have something called the poverty line, and below that income and under a certain net worth, you're elligible for welfare benefits because the money you have and make is deemed insufficient to afford basic life necessities like rent, food, and utilities. That's poverty
okay uh, income and inflation isn't uniform across states so a federal metric of income based poverty is useless. Try better next time
>blacks are savage animals!
>*shoots up a grocery store of innocent people*
Always remember that the /misc/tard is a monster who should be put down for the sake of actual humans
If one in a million white people are crazy, we can deal with that. We can't deal with half the black population being crazy.
Why should I trust an animal to tell me who's human and who's not?
What?
>Political violence vs impulsive murder
Not supporting what he did since it won't have an impact anyways, but the comparison is silly.
This but unironically.
what a manchild
>"were the 50's really that bad?"
>*points out various reasons why the 50s were bad*
>"NOOO THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE... IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY??????????????????"
No, we don’t live in a perfect cartoon drawn 50s world, and not even the 50s we’re so perfect, but they did look like that and it was good. Of course, I’m talking about white Christians. None of the text in the picture was true. People were normal with none of this awful stinking shit they want to dump onto it.
Speaking of trash, why is it so hard to just find “50s” music on the internet? No, I don’t want 50s, 60s, AND 70s, of randomly selected bullshit. I want just good 50s songs like on SiriusXM radio how they do it. No, I don’t want 50 Cent, don’t want top 50 lists of random things, don’t want 50 songs, just the 50s.
>we don't live in a perfect cartoon drawn 50s world, but it was exactly like in the cartoons
Reading comprehension, you have none.
>Speaking of trash, why is it so hard to just find “50s” music on the internet? No, I don’t want 50s, 60s, AND 70s, of randomly selected bullshit. I want just good 50s songs like on SiriusXM radio how they do it. No, I don’t want 50 Cent, don’t want top 50 lists of random things, don’t want 50 songs, just the 50s.
This is a good reference book and covers a lot of stuff you might not know or heard of.
Okay, but that isn’t what I asked for. I’m asking for the internet (YouTube, search engines, wikis, etc) to understand that when we put 50s into the text search that it doesn’t frick up anymore and pretend like it doesn’t know what we are talking about. I gave you SiriusXM as a reference point, which, radio stations in America have been fricking working hard for decades figuring what good music is, this isn’t a magic practice. The internet needs to figure it the frick out or God damn it to hell. For each decade generation of music also. But individually.
what you mean is that 50s playlists are very carefully cherry picked to be only select rock and roll and doo wop hits and ignores a very large chunk of music
Yes.
Google has done it. Thanks. Rest should follow suit.
So what were you typing 50's music in and not getting 50's music? Some sort of music app? Music apps push Black person and pop music like no tomorrow because they're paid to by production companies. Also they're constantly trying to push you in one direction to change your tastes so that you'll listen to garbage.
When Spotify first started it worked much like early youtube where if you liked something BOOM you'd get everything related to it and basically never run out of music. But those days are dead and they want to force-feed you shit
If you just type the letter B into Google with nothing else it gives you a Cardi B video as the first search result since they deliberately game search engine algorithms for that.
yeah, but that's how you have to be to try and get people to like brown people
I use Non-Trojan virus search engines like duckduckgo, go to bing and you will see that all the others besides google are going to shove a whole bunch of random shit when you type it.
bing has always been memed as an inferior search engine full of nonsensical trash
?t=4
>thinks any other search engine besides google is a crime
Ok well God bless.
That's not what I'm saying but okay
😉
Where are you from? Because when I type in 50's music to google I only really get 50's music. They definitely change search results based on country
Yea. All those paintings are kitsch art anyways meant to make boomers feel nostalgic for their childhood. Only thing good about the 50s was the economic and social growth afforded to the average American. The rise of the highway system, the criminally low price of housing and good wages. All that got stolen from us.
>Only thing good about the 50s was the economic and social growth afforded to the average American. The rise of the highway system
Careful you'll trigger that one mentally ill traingay.
pic related is literally just homosexual cope, who cares
1. if a dude can impregnate a woman then he's not gay, bisexual maybe but not gay
2. is this image implying being gay is bad, on par with polio and child abuse
> 1. if a dude can impregnate a woman then he's not gay, bisexual maybe but not gay
If you are walking with God still and doing the right thing, but deep down loves his sin and wants to abandon it all and go be with his sexual dark desires, then it won’t survive for long. That is why the image is so stupid. It doesn’t really happen. 99.99% of married happily men who are White Christian men historically stayed married and had success and went to the grave like they were supposed to because of old age and a lack of living in the kingdom of Heaven.
>2. is this image implying being gay is bad, on par with polio and child abuse
Yes, it’s an opposite extreme image that israelite psy ops do. On one spectrum, liberals promote gays. On the opposite spectrum, confederate demiurge and walrus posters post nazi and moon man / kkk propaganda to promote the appearances of something terrible like that the gays and israelites have this imagined enemy that isn’t real in hopes to satanically accuse anyone dumb enough to buy it. Satan also sometimes starts these groups in circumstances that are legitimate. Such as when the KKK started, it was for a good cause, but over time because it is racist, became used for it demonically. So it best to just avoid such things because God never called the enemies in the Bible black or Asian or red. God only calls them good or evil.
damn dude I was just saying that if a dude can get it up for a woman then hes not gay. calling dudes with wives gay is a moronic ancient meme
And I explained how your reasoning is so Black person subhuman that it doesn’t happen. Frick off.
Only some pedophile would do anything like that, or some democrat demon would make the image in the OP in the first place.
No, it's a stupid israelite meme.
>don't believe your own eyes, goyim, everyone in the 50s was actually degenerate, now go back to eating bugs, watching porn, and living in your pod
You'd probably get lobotomized for browsing IQfy instead of controlled, safe, sterile popular social media
Sounds reasonable
nah nuclear annihilation was pretty cool
Do you think if his was around in the 1940s we would have threads about how the gay nineties were ackshually le bad or ackshually le good
It was nice so long as you were white, and moderately wealthy.
Just like with most of America's history.
awh poor black people amirite
fricking every thread crying about black people
actually pathetic
That's one of the perks of making your own country
With other people's labor.
yeah black people built the pyramids too you know
Not an argument
Not an argument.
We're talking about America here.
Hahaha
>presented valid arguments
>not an argument because I say so
Yes
>10% of the population did 100% of the labor!
Black people made Liberia and had slaves in the same style as America but the country still sucks
All these are still the case aside from the pants