What 10 languages should an educated European know? It must be English, German, French, Latin, Greek. Name five more.
What 10 languages should an educated European know? It must be English, German, French, Latin, Greek. Name five more.
What 10 languages should an educated European know? It must be English, German, French, Latin, Greek. Name five more.
Polish
René Guénon unironically knew all of these languages
why is he pushed on IQfy and how are you morons getting away with it? Guy literally went "West bad, East good" and embraced Chinese-Indian religions and especially Islam - all the things IQfy dislikes.
Because he was based in the way he did it. If I was inclined to be opposed to what he advocates, I'd at least respect the fact he's honest and not a pseud.
>why is he pushed on IQfy
>he does all the things IQfy dislikes
Or maybe you just have no clue about what IQfy likes or doesn't like kek
>Essential
English, German, French, Italian, Spanish
>Educated Core
Latin, Attic Greek, Ancient Hebrew
>Optional (choose the final 2 depending on your needs)
Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Polish, Lithuanian, Romanian, Portuguese, Sanskrit
Personally, I'd say go for Russian and Chinese, but a case can be made for any of those. If you already have a native tongue that's not within the educated core, then you just pick one remaining optional language.
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Good list imo
>English, German, French, Italian, Spanish
Core
>Latin, Attic Greek, Ancient Hebrew
(choose the final 2 depending on your needs)
>Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Polish, Lithuanian, Romanian, Portuguese, Sanskrit
Obviously a pleb who dreams of learning languages because it sounded fun
It's more like
English, German, French
Latin, Greek
ES, IT, RU, PL, SER-CRO (this is a good rare pick, unironically a literary family), PT-BR
CN, JP, AR; Bib HB, SK
>Obviously a pleb who dreams of learning languages because it sounded fun
But I literally speak 5 already. How many do you speak?
> Korean
interesting, I don't think I've ever heard of any Korean lit. Any recommendations?
>"West bad, East good
He said "tradition good, counter-tradition bad", which just so happens to be equivalent to "west bad, east good."
Because /misc/tards are the biggest cucks
ive never seen a thread about that guy on /misc/ you must be moronic.
No
And a few more
And a lot more*
He was fluent in 12 languages and could communicate reasonably in 23 languages
No
That's literally a lie and you should stop difusing it.
can you list the languages he spoke?
well egyptian arabic for one but he only owned one arabic language book, a quran.
hang on lets start with
french (fluent)
arabic (fluent, he spoke and published in it)
sanskrit (at least some reading skill, this is most likely his biggest language after french, but only his writing skill in arabic is well attested)
hindi (probably some speaking and reading skill)
greek (probably some reading skill)
hebrew (probably some reading skill)
he didn't know hindi
Video evidence?
Polish?
PBUH
how did Guenon do it? literally just immersion? I struggle at even learning one language
Divine Intellect (Buddhi).
>René Guénon
Who?
Why polish.
Italian, Sanskrit, Arabic, Chinese, Hebrew
*Vedic Sanskrit
Based.
He shouldn't. Knowing too many foreign languages is a sign of decadence. How many foreign languages did Socrates know, or Plato, or Aristotle? An educated Roman knew Greek, o.k., but maybe that's one of the reasons they are not as good as the Greeks.
t. monolingual American
Online Europeans validate this.
Define "educated" European.
Savant hyperpolyglot with congenital brain asymmetry
From things like silencing criticism to misrepresenting data. You can see it especially in early germ theory where the public translation is a bit suspicious in its liberties. I can't speak german so I can't name a direct source atm but looking up on conspiracy websites and stuff critical of medicine on places like b***hute should yield good results. Yes it is a trust me bro source but I swear I'm not lying.
Sorry meant for
Portuguese
Chinese, Russian, Hindi, most of relevant knowledge is in those languages
Some west or south slavish language, Polish-Croatian combo for example
Russian
Spanish
Arabic
Sanskrit
Learning chinese will poison your mind
>Learning chinese will poison your mind
So did learning English, might as well poison it more.
python
javascript
rust
go
swift
I know you are joking because only code monkeys need those languages but the only programming language anyone needs to learn is C, much like Latin
I haven't coded in a while but genuinely the only programming language I know is (classic, line-numbered) BASIC.
Based and true.
In order of importance:
>English
>Latin
>Greek (Koine)
>Greek (Attic)
>Ge'ez
>Biblical Hebrew
>German
>Russian
>French
>Pali
>English
Sure
>Latin
Of course
>Greek (Koine)
Homeric and Attic are more important
>Greek (Attic)
Obviously
>Ge'ez
No
>Biblical Hebrew
lmao no
>German
Sure
>Russian
Arguable but not really
>French
Yes
>Pali
No
Hebrew was one of the languages the elite of the French Renaissance learned. You'd be considered intellectually interior for not knowing it. Also Arabic was an important language.
You're exaggerating, schlomo. Christian scholars learnt it. The Christian Hebraists weren't the general population of the Renaissance.
>Hebrew was one of the languages the elite of the French Renaissance learned.
Turner J.- Philology. The forgotten origins of the modern humanities (2014)
"Until perhaps the late sixteenth century, Christian study of Hebrew was a minefield. Anti-Judaism made Hebrew odious to many Christians. (The street ran both ways; other israelites sometimes hassled those who helped Christian philologists, and Christian derision of Judaism got answered in kind. Christians flung a lot more mud.) <...> Reuchlin read israeli writings through Christian glasses. Yet other Christians turned on him when he opposed a 1510 edict to destroy israeli books throughout the Holy Roman Empire. Vitriol and cries of ‘heretic’ bombarded him until his death in 1522. Erasmus dragged his feet before finally endorsing Hebrew studies, and then he sweetened his backing with anti-israeli bile <...> Anti-Judaism was not the sole stumbling-block to Hebrew learning. In 1525 the French theologian Pierre Cousturier (Petrus Sutor)—with a sneer at the “little rhetorician” Erasmus—called it “completely insane” to learn either Greek or Hebrew for biblical study. The church had declared the Latin Vulgate version sufficient."
I was thinking of Pierre Huet who, according to Nassim Taleb, snubbed Pierre Bayle for not knowing Hebrew.
In 16th century France Hebrew would make you look either as a magician larper trying to learn secret Kabbalistic nonsense or as a protestgay hellbent on seeing "errors" in the LXX and Vulgate.
Koine is attic you pseud.
No it's not. That's like saying French Creole is French
Koine comes from koine attike, meaning "common attic". It's more like saying you need to learn brittish and english.
The grammar is Black personishly simplified. Learning Attic from Koine is like learning a whole new language.
It's more like a difference between Middle to Shakespearean English and contemporary vernacular speech.
thats what i said, a nice language reduced to a Black personish form (standard american)
>What 10 languages should an educated European know?
English, German, French, Latin, Greek, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Russian and Arabic
>Portuguese
Yes. A more useful language to learn than other languages that others have recommended, such as Italian or Polish or Dutch.
>English, German, French, Latin, Greek
These, plus Italian, Spanish, Russian, and choose 2 between Sanskrit, Classical Chinese, Hebrew, Arabic or Persian. A good ideal, but it might be asking a bit too much considering that completely alien languages like Chinese and Arabic would take a lifetime of effort to read comfortably. I do, however, think it would be possible to read English, Latin, German, French, Greek, Italian, Spanish and Russian fluently with enough application.
Make it Syriac Aramaic at least if you want some whacky Semitic language in there. Arabic is awful and useless.
>Syriac Aramaic
Name ten worthwhile books written in this language to deem it important to learn.
I can name 3 and 2 verses
Wait just double checked. Literally wrong on all fronts. Partially two books and one line.
Arabic completely mogs every other semitic language (it terms of both size of literary corpus, and closeness to proto-Semitic)
Yeah but in terms of Islamic languages, Persian and Turkish are strong competitors. Turkish is probably the most balanced of the three, with a strong poetic corpus.
If I want to learn Turkish and Arabic, will it be easier to learn Farsi after that?
Farsi is the easiest of them for English speakers, and knowing Arabic and Turkish will make learning Farsi facile
I speak Russian, English and Tatar.
First of all you can’t know 10 languages to fluency without having to sacrifice your other ventures to spend all day learning languages unless you are an autist with savant syndrome
And second of all english, greek, and german are all you need to know anyway.
Romance languages are dialects of Latin.
German and English are very similar if you have studied Germanic philology a little.
Yeah that doesn’t make it much easier to become fluent
You don’t need fluency to be able to read literature in those languages
If you aren’t fluent you might as well read translations. Better to be a master of one thing than mediocre at ten
Reading the original, even with a less than native grasp of the language, is fundamentally different than reading a translation. If you speak more than one language you know this.
it's not that different actually
English is far more similar to Spanish than to German
What the hell are you talking about? They're from whole different branches of the Indo-European family.
I'm learning Latin atm
I'm going to learn French afterwards, then German and finally Russian
You learn languages by reading
Refuted by Guenon who knew 13 or more, as well as many other things apart from languages.
You underestimate human potential
Japanese, Korean, Mandarin, Tagalog and Montenegrin
1. English - to get access to the ~80% of all the important globohomosexual texts
2. German, French - to get access to another 10%, that no one bothered to translate properly
3. Latin, Ancient Greek, Sanskrit, Russian - to feel like a pretentious homosexual, riding a tiger
4. Old Norse, Old English, Old Irish - to roleplay a heathen Tolkien-fanboy edgelord, or some shit.
5. Proto-Indo-European - to convince yourself, that you haven't spent time in vain on the above-mentioned garbage, and that you're a historical linguist now.
Bumping while I write detailed post
MANDATORY ADDITIONS
>Heritage Language (priority)
>Native language of partner
Embrace tradition.
>English
Duh.
>French
>German
>Italian
Essential for western thought, art and science. Modern France sucks though and the people suck too, frick you guys. A lot of translations are unavailiable or maliciously altered in translation (especially german medical studies). France also gets a lot of things translated before English and unlocks the shitty Canada DLC (Frick Quebequeers too). Lot's of places that were colonised either speak French/German it or a very similar dialect too. I nearly didn't include Italian but remembered it's still very influential historically for such a low userbase nowadays. Italian is also fun to speak as the stereotypes are 100% accurate and Italians are way nicer than the French (again, frick you guys). Together they unlock 3/4 of Switzerland. In Italy there's a good chance you won't understand the different Italian dialects still commonly spoken there but at least they'll understand you.
>Spanish
It's not just Mexican. Highly influential literature, music, art, food and is widely spoken across continents. There's a good chance a foreigner would have learnt this if not English (A lot of them are Chinese so it's funny hearing it come from them). It's also very consistent grammatically and phonetically.
You've covered Romance/Western onto the Classics
>Latin
The foundation of Romantic languages so it will also improve your understanding of them. Ancient Rome was the successor to Ancient Greece, the origin of Western thought. Lot of Greek texts were translated to Latin so sometimes it's the oldest source when the original Greeks are lost. Latin translations are likely to be more accurate compared to modern ones. Learning Classical Latin makes all the other versions 99% legible. It was also used later in history during the Renaissance, Medieval times into the 1500s as New Latin for things like Zoology. Also the language of the Catholic church if you're a tradcath larper and fell for the worst sect.
>Ancient Greek
Koine is a meme. While lots of major works besides the Bible (which is irrelevant because KJB exists) are in Koine, Attic/Classical is far more important in history and influence. The most important people spoke it. Homeric is also pretty easy to understand after learning Attic as it's a simpler version while Koine is a very distinct dialect. Koine is the language of the Orthodox Church though so if you're a tard and will only use Latin/Greek for religion, choose the not worst sect.
Now for the less necessary (but still valuable) Eastern languages
>Russian
Cyrillic is easy to learn and a lot of Slavic languages are similar and almost interchangable. You access a lot of new land as well. Russian Literature is also very great. Not a meme. Simple as. Better for a westerner than Chinese which is consistently shilled.
Rest are irrelevant to a westerner outside specifics
>russian
have a nice day poo-poo-tin shill
I'm not a Russian orthodoxist. I'm more protestant. I just think Russian literature is very valuable.
And that the Russian Literature of the time decsribes morals and principles bot represented by today's regime of Russian state.
Fricking moronic. Seek help.
>German medical studies maliciously altered
Elaborate a little on this, I'm curious. Is it to downplay their achievement, to quash any heterodox studies or findings?
>Cyrillic is easy to learn and a lot of Slavic languages are similar and almost interchangable.
As a Russian, I haven't been able to learn Ukrainian for all my life.
Irish, ancient Greek, ancient Hebrew, Latin, Sanskrit, and Italian for Dante.
Everything else will only corrupt your mind.
How do you figure?
latin
gothic
old norse
greek
breton
irish
lithuanian
armenian
farsi
sanskrit
>Armenian
Actually going to go for it soon given that my grandpa was Armenian. I have a couple of Soviet/Russian textbooks on it that vary in the concepts they teach, just wish there were more resources to work with
Are you from Russia?
Imo you can't really call yourself white if you choose to deliberately, and freely, ignore the language of Papiamento -- and that's enough for today.
>t.
Yes? That's a perfectly fine white boy.
Greek
Latin
Hebrew
Syriac
Arabic
Coptic
Ge'ez
Church Slavonic
Georgian
Armenian
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrologia_Graeca
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrologia_Latina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrologia_Orientalis
korean
I appreciate Korea for smartening up and creating Hangul but K-pop sucks. J-pop does suck more than K-pop but it's Japan, it has like 500 cool niches localised mainly in its country.
if you think kpop sucks it's because you are following it for the wrong reasons(the music)
If liking the music for the music is the wrong way to enjoy the genre, it's shit. Like drinking artisan wine to get drunk.
Realised that's a faulty analogy. Redact that and just leave my main point.
>smartening up and creating Hangul
It's fricking up Koreans now. Many koreans can't read complex works because it still uses chinese ideograms and they can't remove it, so they are rethinking if learning Hangul was a good idea.
You can know both, you know. People did learn both until not that long ago.
>K-pop sucks
Literally american pop music but with lyrics in korean.
And?
disgusting, they look like reptiles
unless you speak a language on a daily basis you most likely do not know it because there is such a thing as language attrition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_attrition
if i suddenly stopped speaking english and only spoke japanese in japan after 10 or 15 years i would lose my ability to speak english
Can you combat it by thinking in english?
That's not what the wikipedia page says
it usually refers to the native language
but it can refer to any language that you used to know but you no longer know
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-language_attrition
The Internet makes it easier than ever to use a language on a daily basis even if it's not spoken in your area.
I learned all of these in school and have barely retained any German or Greek. I've replaced them with programming languages kek
What kind of school?
Secondary school in Belgium.
fidel castro is an example of language attrition
before he died he lost his ability to speak english. when he was a young man he used to speak english on camera. in a documentary he said he forgot how to speak english because he didn't speak it regularly
i don't believe these polyglots who lie about speaking more than 5 languages. i doubt they are speaking those 5 languages on a daily basis.
>i don't believe these polyglots who lie about speaking more than 5 languages. i doubt they are speaking those 5 languages on a daily basis.
It's possible, at least in reading. 5 languages is entirely doable, I know four. There are people that read 15+ languages but they essentially have to spend their entire life continuously reading in those various languages not to lose them.
I spend most of my day reading anyway, at least these days.
this in webm is so dumb. It's the reverse of white girls making yoga and talking about chakras
Why is that chandelier so low?
Either to be used as a swing in some wild party, or because they really, really wanted a a fancy look of chandelier in that scene, but didn't want to bother combining separate shots for the girl and the chandelier above.
>is an example of language attrition
Lifehack:
1. Memorize some Homer/Bible/Beowulf/Zarathustra/whatever
2. Recite chunks from it from time to time.
3. ?????
4. No language attrition.
How am i doing
Know:
English
French
Italian
Hebrew (larper's add 'biblical' as though they are that different)
Russian
Arabic (can only read tho )
Learning:
Latin (a year in and dont feel like im getting anywhere, reading the same texts over and over again )
Chinese (simplified im afraid, will try classical after i get the hang of it. Going well)
Flunked out :
Japaneses
Кaк ты yмyдpилcя выyчить cтoлькo языкoв, чeл? Пили cтopи.
no Rus keyboard
I had English and Russian to begin with and learned French at school. Then I decided to read Dante and unsatisfied by the translation decided to learn Italian. Then i moved to Israel for work and there i also learned Arabic.
So there.
How is Latin hard when you know the first three?
you will come in knowing allot of words (Italian is even better for that) and you will have some, i admit not much, clue with the structure.
Italian is really the gateway language, but you dont need it. Im finding Latin though either way.
Tell me about Hebrew vs biblical.
How should I go about learning it?
Hebrew is simplified, but not that simplified. Much closer than say English is to Old English, and you can jump in it's almost any point in the Bible and get the gist, if not the essence.
Hebrew also easy to learn, there are loads of courses and supplementary material that that is much easier than trying to jump in at the deep end with niqqud, and other such things.
I learned biblical Hebrew by learning Hebrew and then just jumping into the Bible (modernized only to the extent that some of the spelling has had been corrected) head long, looking up with little extra I needed.
>Chinese (simplified im afraid, will try classical after i get the hang of it. Going well)
Do you mean the character set or the language? Mandarin and Classical Chinese are two different languages; both can be written in either character set.
Kierkegaard learned:
Latin, Greek, Danish, French, German and Hebrew.
My pick :
>Latin
>Ancient Greek
>English
>German
>French
>Italian
>Sanskrit
>Arabic
>Persian
>(Classical) Chinese
I'd have loved to add Spanish and Russian but I think this is the most bang for your buck set that you could pick. Maybe Arabic could be swapped out for Spanish, in all honesty.
Do you really want to learn Russian , guys?
You don't even know Russian writers other than Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky...
is chinese rly worth?
Yes but those who learn it already know 50+ untranslated works they really want to read
Oh and how could I forget, PER after AR
A what?
Classical Chinese more so than Mandarin (they're different languages just as much as French and Latin are) since it was the lingua franca of the educated in East Asia for centuries. But there's a lot of stuff in Mandarin too.
On kanripo alone, there are 9,371 texts. If you read one a week it would take a lifetime to read half of them.
German, Latin, Arabic in that order.
https://preachersinstitute.com/2015/08/31/masoretic-text-vs-original-hebrew/
BTFOs learning hebrew. Drop the israelite meme and just learn Koine, it'll enhance the better classic studies.
https://www.preservedword.com/content/the-unreliablitity-of-the-alexandrian-manuscripts/
And this is too nake sure you don't fall for the "older must be more accurate" meme. The originals texts have been lost to time. All age if a manuscript really proves is that the text was handled by people who knew how to preserve it better.
>Verification not required
English
German
French
Italian
Latin
Greek
Hebrew
Arabic
Sanskrit
Chinese
Real list
>English
>Greek
>Latin
>French
>Russian
>Arabic
>Farsi
>Spanish
Meme list (roll for it):
>0 Patois
>1 Scots
>2 Pennsylvania Deitsch
>3 Papiamento
>4 Afrikaans
>5 Western Frysk
>6 Old Ænglisc
>7 Old Church Slavonic
>8 Galego
>9 Gothic
is it a joke? the answer is obvious: ancient greek, latin, french, italian, spanish, russian, german, chinese, arabic and english. As latin, french, italian and spanish are virtually the same language, you could learn sanskrit or persian too
how come?
the best and/or more influential works are written in those languages
What about Quechua?
you learn it if you want to, i wont
Do you want to be my friend?
of course i do
yay 🙂 we're friends from now on.
:3
How would we rate languages for literature over othe aspects of language?
My guess is
English
French
German
Latin
Ancient Greek
Russian
Italian
Spanish
Japanese
Modern Chinese is useless because due to censorship, nothing good comes out of China. Creativity and unique thought is extinquushed. Only classical era stuff is good. But that is a much smaller library than the others.
That's not true, Chinese Lovecraft fans released a decent Lovecraftian anthology recently.
>But that is a much smaller library than the others.
Are you kidding me? There's a ton of stuff. It was actively used in multiple countries, up until the 19th century.
My top ten would be
>Ancient Greek
>Latin
>Hebrew
>English
>Spanish
>French
>German
>Italian
>Sanskrit
>Pali
And if I could add a few more, I’d include Chinese, Japanese, and Arabic. Learning any other language than the ten I listed and the three I just added is worthless.
>Essential tier
English
>God tier
Spanish, Chinese
>Kinda useful in the world today tier
French, German, Japanese, Russian
>should only learn if you live there tier
Arabic, Portuguese, korean
>not even the natives care about it
Everything else
>Pretentious homosexual / high school teacher tier
Latin, Greek
>Spanish God Tier
>Greek, Latin pretentious high school teacher
You could have saved caloric energy by not typing all of this and just condensing it to a mere "I'm moronic"
English and Latin, everything else is not essential and you are just larping
There's almost nothing worth reading in Latin that isn't translated already. You only need dictionary knowledge of Latin.
Very stupid. Read Ovid in the original. You can do it with your dictionary up your ass. Even the captcha agreed with me "+ASSMF"
I read it in Latin, moronic homosexual. Ovid's shittier in the original. Latin then was clearly primitive and underdeveloped.
Ovid is better in English. Read Dryden's translation.
Wrong
Latin is completely useless, only spergs learn it.
Learn dinduniffin and moatshekleys because i am such a contrarian homosexual haha aren't i clever. Noo you can't just a classical language.
K'iche, tzotzil, huastec, zoogocho Zapotec and usila chinantec.
spanish, russian, arabic, AAVE, chinese (traditional)
Vitalik Buterin unironically knew all of these languages
*know
The only language an eurocuck should know is Arabic in order to take orders from their masters
I'm not a Yuropean, so I will list the 10 languages an educated Brahmin should know
- Sanskrit, Maharashtri Prakrit, Pali Prakrit, Manipravalam, Awadhi/Braj Bhasa, Old Persian, Modern Persian, English, Ancient Greek, Classical Latin
please learn euskara :DD
swahili
These threads are typically shitty because the mouthbreathers that respond with lists of various languages they're superficially interested in fail to mention that a person's need to learn a language will depend on his interests and circumstances
1. English (goes without saying)
2. French (historical international lingua franca)
3. German (wish this was higher up on the list)
4. Italian (the language of the fine art of opera)
5. Russian (opens up a new perspective on tragedy through life lived and literature)
6. Spanish (the first standardised descendant of Latin with a rich history and innovative prose - intelligible with Portuguese)
7. Polish (a large and largely pastoral proud nation whose virtue is to overcome adversity - very much like Spanish in regard to Czech)
8. Greek (still relevant to this day and the people therein offer a real pilgrimage for European identity - Ancient Greek isn’t that different to modern bur vocabulary)
9. Serbo-Croatian (a troubled nation with a tragic history and even today its as if that part of former Yugoslavia interprets the works of Tolstoy)
10. Hungarian (A small, insular nation whose manner of speaking reflects the mindset of its history - one would have to relearn everything one learnt about the psychology of language from the ground up)
All of these nations have low English proficiency and all ten of their languages are known, then such a familiarity with the process will make adjacent languages seem as accents rather than even dialects.
>4. Italian (the language of the fine art of opera)
if you think this is the real advantage of opera you understand nothing about italian nor opera
That is what most people would appreciate.
It’s quite a new language, Italian. It’s only been around for 150 years.
I said the reason being was to get around and immerse oneself in European culture by a maximum of 10 languages to speak to mind-to-mind to 95% of Europe.
All of Scandinavia, Malta, and the Netherlands know English very well, so only the Baltics, Romania, and maybe Bulgaria are left out but the first two have substantial knowledge Russian and French respectively.
>That is what most people
how reddit
also no most people don't give a frick about opera. im serious when i say the real reason for moderns to learn italian is for fashion gourmet and luxury periodicals
wait no thats not true. the broadest reason for people is to have sex with italians. but for less creepy people, those periodicals are more a reason than the next big reason: italian movies and tv
You took the thread question seriously, that's on you but forgivable. This was meant to be a simple "[Language]: Cringe or Based?" Nothing actually to do with being a european or discussion about utility of language outside lit.
He said “name 5 more”, and I did as felt I should.
>It’s quite a new language, Italian. It’s only been around for 150 years.
>Dante wrote the Divine Comedy in the 1300
>the standardized Italian that Manzoni used in 1830 is a revival of Florentine of that era (1300-1500)
>5. Russian (opens up a new perspective on tragedy through life lived and literature)
its not a top 10 in this regard in the slightest. unless you want to read russian chess theory books, but there's not much coming from here.
>7. Polish (a large and largely pastoral proud nation whose virtue is to overcome adversity - very much like Spanish in regard to Czech)
this is not the real reason to learn it
>8. Greek (still relevant to this day and the people therein offer a real pilgrimage for European identity - Ancient Greek isn’t that different to modern bur vocabulary)
not a real reason to learn it. its also expensive to live in despite greece getting israeliteed and being poor.
>10. Hungarian (A small, insular nation whose manner of speaking reflects the mindset of its history - one would have to relearn everything one learnt about the psychology of language from the ground up)
not the reason to learn it
>Hungarian (A small, insular nation whose manner of speaking reflects the mindset of its history - one would have to relearn everything one learnt about the psychology of language from the ground up)
The frick are you talking about?
>t. Hung Aryan
It can be argued that Finnish has more Swedish influence than Hungarian has nay from any other.
I was also referring to the free word order and the agglutination, both of which allow more nuance than conventional European languages.
that's what i was thinking, which is why i didnt criticize that part. its a completely different mode of thinking and remarkable
Indeed.
Yes, but I’m diaspora an I haven’t learnt it yet.
>It can be argued that Finnish has more Swedish influence than Hungarian has nay from any other.
What are you talking about? Hungarian has a ton of Slavic and Germanic words, not to mention it patterns more as a member of the Standard Average European sprachbund (albeit a marginal one) than other Uralic languages.
Are you Hungarian? 🙂
Italian, Russian, Sanskrit, Mandarin, Japanese
Latin, English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Irish, Russian and Swedish
That's literally all you need to know.
Russian
Polish
English
German
Dutch
French
Italian
Spanish
Latin
Greek
I'm only 22 and I'm fluent in English and Italian. I know French and I can understand and read some dilactes of Arabic though not able to speak it.
I enjoy reading AL Ma'arri
>only 22 blah blah
lad 200 years ago the bare minimum for an elite would have been 5.
Good on you. Haters just jealous of your gainz. Keep learning!
russian
chinese
arabic
c++
Python
Realistically
1. Start with esperanto. Learn the whole grammar without bothering to sustain complete knowledge.
2 Russian
3 Latin
4 Spanish
5 Esperanto
6 Nigerian Business English and Japanese Kanji
7 Korean
8 Mandarin Chinese
9 Tagalog
10 Levantine Arabic
11 Medieval French
The only lit worth reading is going to be contained in the first three so you focus on economic opportunities after that.
I know this is in significant part a joke, but there actually is evidence that learning Esperanto first can help- it's like learning the recorder as your first instrument, the idea isn't to create a nation of recorder-players but a nation of people who understand the basics of what a musical instrument is and how to learn one.
If some effort poster can somehow organise a board wide poll on this topic that'd be super interesting. Like how IQfy do their census. Jannies won't do shit of course.
I also autistically think about le epic 10 languages so here is what I've vaguely settled on
1) English, global lingua franca.
2) Spanish, lingua franca plus basically unlocks Portuguese
3) Chinese, lingua franca (useless otherwise but there's like a billion of them)
4) Arabic, middle east and a lot of people for some reason don't seem to know that all of north africa is Arabic
5) French, previous language of the elite
6) Russian, good literature, former superpower and fills in Eurasia
7) Japanese, anime
8) Whatever the most spoken Indian one is
9) Latin
10) Greek
Africa and Southeast Asia have like 700 languages each so frick them. It's cool how you can cover North America, South America, Australia, Western Europe, Scandinavia and some African colonies with 4 languages.
oh wow esperanto troony visits other threads
do more people in EA+SEA speak english or chinese as a second language?
No one cares about Chinese. The Singapore learn both in school but that's it
It's necessary to get fairer trade deals from China, but I imagine increasing internet connections will lead to English, at least until America's universities and job opportunities collapse. In which case they'll have to start learning Chinese for survivability.
For example, a Thai who speaks Chinese and visits and negotiates with Chinese factories will get preferential treatment from them and get A-quality computer monitors in bulk. And the white expat living in the Philippines on a budget instead will get the crappy computer monitor that will break in a few months or explode.
>It's necessary to get fairer trade deals from China.
Submitting is cuckholdry. Don't honor bad actors.
Thailand is becoming the Amazon of SEA. They're getting more than they're giving, and they're not letting Chinese BRI in their country. Not trading would be cuckery.
They're getting more than giving because they're bad actors and cucks submit. The people making trade policy in other countries are being bribed by china to favor them too. I'd rather die on principals than submit to immorality.
What are the real dangers of letting Chinese influence in a country?
Are you fricking serious? This is sone next level israelitery.
Because I haven't really looked into Chinese israelitery. I'm aware of the way they cheat some people.
Hello anon? What happens besides BRI and RE inflation?
>What are the real dangers of letting Chinese influence in a country?
What are the dangers of letting any foreign culture that has negative sentiments of my country influence in my country? How about genocide for one? How about regressing labor laws? How about changing the culture of a country tgat isn't theirs in the nane of their country? Don't pretend you aren't a israelite.
Well I am a israelite but I'm not aware of the full implications. I just know stuff like China cheating in deals, its colonizing programs, and cultural genocide. It's all scattered in my mind. You more or less outlined the basics, for which I thank you. I dislike politics and will never involve myself in it, as I couldn't gain political influence even if I wanted it.
You can dislike it but but staying out of politics is ignorant. If there are people advocating for something that goes against your values or just something you think isn't right more than you think it's wrong, avoiding discourse let's those people walk over you and what you hold dear. You have to be vigilant. Though I will disregard you because you're israeli. I have my reasons but they are numerous and off-topic.
Massively inflated real estate prices
Reminder these homies can't seem to not starve their population without importing heaps of processed food. Cut off trade with them, develop your own resources again like we used too and china can suck your dick. The reason shit from chiba is cheap is because they use practises illegal elsewhere. If you had principals, you'd use your buting power to not support them. Otherwise you're admitting you thrive on slave labour and hypocrisy.
>3) Chinese, lingua franca (useless otherwise but there's like a billion of them)
useless period
>4) Arabic, middle east and a lot of people for some reason don't seem to know that all of north africa is Arabic
nafri arabic:core arabic is like portuguese:spanish
6) Russian, good literature, former superpower and fills in Eurasia
youre right, russian underrated
8) Whatever the most spoken Indian one is
english. indian languages are useless
10) Greek
pretty useless
Literally how fricking hard is it to not be racist.
Okay but insulting me does not change whether what I said is true.
its usefulness has nothing to do with you, kys troony
esperanto is a useful language to teach but not learn because its simplified grammar can be used to teach vocab and some grammar for many different languages even without ever intending to fully learn esperanto, or any other language, since no one uses esperanto. this makes it perfect for shitty americans to at least become familiar with concepts.
There's like a million people who speak Esperanto. It's used for a wide range of purposes.
kys lying troony
theres like 100k secondary at most. no one uses it
its not really useful for anything tbh
There's literally literature, music, video content, even some scientific publications.
fricking troony
what significance does it have that other languages dont? esperanto movies suck and theyre not pushing the boundaries of anything afaik, theyre just playing in their own secret club
with the things you listed you might as well learn korean, which has tons more stuff and is about as mediocre, except for the science research, since koreans are actually really high tier there.
There's also the community. It's very friendly and welcoming, and there's even a network of Esperanto speakers who will host other Esperanto speakers traveling.
>Educated European
Lmao you mean Muslim immigrant?
No, Shariah prohibits Muslims from moving to non-Muslim countries
It does? Where?
https://fatwaonline.net/?view=question&id=13363
English counts as 10
English
German
French
Latin
Greek
Sanskrit
Chinese
Japanese
Russian
Persian
If you're willing to spend your time learning a language, learn mathematics and formal logic
No
Livonian
Võro-Seto
Estonian
Votic
Finnish
Ingrian
Karelian
Veps
Turkish
Hungarian
I have a question bros:
Should i learn mandarin chinese or korean?
>Inb4 japanese
i already know japanese.
doubt. if you knew japanese youd already know by now which other EA language youre most interested in
Korean will be extremely easy to pick up if your Japanese is anywhere near fluent; it's basically the same language with a little more complicated grammar and Onyomi closer to Chinese pronunciation. Chinese is completely different, so you'll have to start from zero grammar-wise as well as learn thousands of additional characters, not to mention that while there is some vocab overlap, there are also lots of "false friends".
Finally, having learned one language you should know that the novelty wears off quickly unless your interest is linguistic/philological, so decide based on the content produced in that language. I was interested in all three so I learned all three, but if I had to pick two for the most bang for your buck, I'd pick JP+KR for weeb content and webcomics. Can't comment much on actual literature, but the little I've read (Souseki, Dazai, Murakami) was good but nowhere close to the English/German classics.
its not the same language at all. the vocabulary is complertely different, and vocab is 90% of learning a language.
That said, the grammatical structure is weirdly similar.
Also the native vocabulary is totally different, the Sino vocabulary is more similar to each other than to Mandarin.
Not true at all, the Chinese loanwords which make up around half the words depending on the kind of text are almost always interchangable, and the other "native" half will mostly come from a couple thousand common/essential words that repeat exposure will quickly burn into your memory anyway. There will be a lot of unique onomatopoeia, but that isn't critical to understanding. I'm not saying that knowing Japanese allows you to dive into Korean texts without any additional preparation, but it definitely cuts down the learning time by well over half because of all the equivalences in both grammar and vocab.
>Not true at all, the Chinese loanwords which make up around half the words depending on the kind of text are almost always interchangable
having these false expectations will make learners give up anon
All according to gyehoek.
Gyehoek means keikaku.
English
German
French
Latin
Ancient Greek
Spanish
Russian
Czech
Arabic
Sanskrit
Polyglot is like polysexual, the more languages you know the more cultureless you are.
Lmao.
Anyone have advice for learning kanji?
Just doing anki feels ineffective and tedious, but without doing it first I can't read anything wihout having to look up every character.
I don't think there's a superior method to mnemonics + Anki. I used the Kodanshi Kanji Learner's Dictionary. Keep in mind that you don't need to aim for perfection, just create mental tags for subunits to have something to latch on, guide the recall process and more easily differentiate similar looking Kanji, then return to learning vocab (preferably in context). Ultimately you'll rely mostly on gestalt and context rather than precise strokes of individual characters; I wouldn't be able to write more than a couple dozen characters by hand, but active recall is not required to read fluently so don't stress that part if you only want to consoom and you'll save a lot of time.
Read phonetically annotated (furigana) texts. That's what Victor Mair says and he seems to know what he's talking about.
russian seems more recommended than I would have expected
learning mandarin began to make my soul feel sick, so maybe I will start russian
I understand the sentiment, there's not as much stuff russian gives you today comlared to other languages (rutracker tho) but you really can't understate it's literature's value.
English
Czech
Lithuanian
Manx
Shelta
Burushaski (Yasin dialect)
Nahuatl
Manding
Dutch
Old Church Slavonic
Wtf is a brushaki yaxin dialect
Burushaski is a linguistic isolate spoken mainly in northern Pakistan. Some people think it's Para-Indo-European or something.
This is the biggest larp thread up right now
every 100th person heres a polyglot. every millionth persons (12 languages) a hyperglot
so theres prob 1 polyglot who posted and no hyperglots
If you know Russian and dabble a bit into Church Slavonic, you will be able to understand any East Euro language.
Knowing French and Latin will let you understand most romance language countries (southwest euros). Knowing English and German will set you for most central Europeans, although reading old manuscripts will be tougher since those languages changed a lot.
You dont need anything else.
Greek is a throwaway language, but its essential to understanding the Bible. So at least alphabet and some diction should be studied.
english
french
german
russian
classical latin
attic greek
classical chinese
biblical hebrew
vedic sanskrit
quenya
Why learn biblical hebrew?
To read the Bible, presumably.
But the hebrew texts are innacurate so much that the Septuagint is more true to the word. If you're learning Attic, Koine isn't that far off.
Biblical Hebrew =/= Modern Hebrew.
Still the same, I wasn't even thinking of modern hebrew. Compare the ancient hebrew texts to the dead seas scrolls written in paleo hebrew. The Septuagint wins. The ones from Alexandria hailed as the "oldest therefore most accurate" that are used in every modern bible translation were literally found in piles of garbage texts with heaps if spelling errors and repeated lines. It was more likely to be a furat draft by an apprentice. The masorectic texts were edited a bunch of times after christianity formed by anti-christian israelites during the 6th century, you can't find the untamlered scripture anymore. Either the original texts are lost to time or the oldest copies we have are corrupted or incomplete. Stop filling your head with israeli nonsense unless you want to study the Talmud too. Fill it with less stupid greek israeli nonsense.
You'd be better off learning biblical arabic.
English, French, German, Latin, Greek
Russian, Japanese, Chinese, Spanish
That's really all you need tbh, you would have super human intellect and insight knowing those languages
The problem with all these historical languages is you can't even know their phonology with confidence since the understanding of it is inconclusive.
>inb4 muh received pronunciations
That depends on the language. For Latin and Ancient Greek, for instance, we have a pretty good idea even if we're not sure about every last articulatory detail. But even for the ones we're less sure about like Old Chinese, who cares if we're pronouncing it exactly how the original author did?
It removes from the fulfillment in the commitment to its learning.
What?
1 Japanese to read manga/LNs and play japanese games without censored translations. That's all.
Lingua Franca:
Mandatory: English, Spanish.
Optional (tier 1): Russian, Mandarin;
Optional (tier 2): Arabic, Japanese, Hindi, Portuguese;
Educated men:
Mandatory Modern - French and German;
Ancient (tier 1) - Ancient Greek, Latin;
Optional (tier 2): Sanskrit;
*The goal is to make the list as simple as possible.
*Sure there are thousands of very interesting languages with a rich literature out there, it doesn't mean though, they should be on the list, feel free to disagree.
*German and French although vastly spoken in Europe, these languages lack the n° of native speakers to make it to the Lingua Franca section, so instead I placed it in the Educated Men section as they were historically the core languages of the the intellectuals of Europa.
this is a pretty good list lol, i wish i had thought of arranging things like this
Thanks, anon.
Why do you want to learn Chinese?
I don't. It's no secret, though, that China is a major world power and as such shouldn't go unnoticed. As an educated man you should probably want to know the basics of Chinese to have yourself informed at times.
It's a colossus with feet of clay
sos america dumb Black person, yet we learn esl english
It usually bothers me when people still refer to Croatian or Serbian as Serbo-Croatian because by now, they're split into completely different languages.
However, the old Serbo-Croatian grammar was always beautiful in a strange way. There's still plenty of books using that old grammar around. When I was in school, there were many old editions of the classics there, so I always associate Serbo-Croatian with them. That boomer talk worked really well in literature.
how different are they now? arent they still like 99% the same?
They are mutually intelligible, but grammatically different. They use different scripts. Serbian language uses many latinisms and anglicisms, while Croatian autistically makes up new words.
Both languages were different 200+ years ago, but they both started using Neoshtokavian dialect of Old Herzegovina as their official language. However, if you visit rural areas of Croatia and Serbia, where people speak in dialects other than Neoshtokavian, you will hear how their languages used to be mutually unintelligible.
[UPDATED]What languages should an educated man learn?
Lingua Franca:
Mandatory: English, Spanish.
Optional (tier 1): Russian, Mandarin;
Optional (tier 2): Arabic, Japanese, Hindi, Portuguese;
Educated man:
Mandatory Modern: French and German;
Mandatory Ancient: Ancient Greek, Latin;
Optional(tier 2): Sanskrit or Hebrew;
*The goal is to make the list as simple as possible.
*Sure there are thousands of very interesting languages with a rich literature out there, it doesn't mean though, they should be on the list; feel free to disagree.
*German and French although vastly spoken in Europe, these languages lack the n° of native speakers to make it to the Lingua Franca section, so instead, I placed it in the Educated Man section as they were historically the core languages of the intellectuals of Europe.
A total of 14 languages; whereas 6 are mandatory and 8 are optional. So all in all, an educated man should know 6 to 8 languages imo.
Replace hebrew with pali or classical chinese
No
Why not. I've already gone over how hebrew is irrelevant compared to koine above. Unless of course you're learning paleo hebrew in which the vowls are not written down or studying the Talmud which you wouldn't unless you're israeli.
Give me your list.
For optional educated modern i'd add Italian.
Good pick. I believe Italian coupled with French and German is a powerful combination.
I'm mainly learning because it's my heritage but we can't forget Dante, Machiavelli, the fascists, Opera, Da Vinci and the rest of the art. Also its jazz and Florentine music. These dudes make the world's best stringed instruments.
In order of value/importance
Lingua Franca
Mandatory: English, Spanish
Optional: Chinese (Mandarin), Arabic, Hindi
Academic
Mandatory: French, German
Optional: Italian, Russian (its utility in other slavic countries is greatly exaggerated so it's out of lingua franca and added here for its literature, imo it outranks italian in its literature but everything else Italian has is better)
Classical Study
Mandatory: Latin, Classical Greek (including Homeric)
Optional: Koine Greek, Classical Chinese, Sanskrit
You should really only be learning Pali, Tibetan, Biblical Arabic/Hebrew, Aramaic, etc, if it is to do with your religion/culture. Aramaic is more prominent in the Talmud than just the OT so even if the Hebrew texts weren't so innacurate I'd still say only learn it if you're israeli. Although Pali is the language of the Buddha, it was more lingua franca than written (which is why he used it). Sanskrit was the language of the elites and educated and as such scholars and poets used it. A lot of the original Pali texts have been lost to time and are only availiable in form of Sanskrit translation. It's like the situation with Koine.
I excluded Japanese from lingua franca because its really just for Japanese enthusiasts and the same with Korean. And while Portugese has a very large userbase, it's not used much outside SA. Any utility Portugese gives you elsewhere is usually superseded by Spanish and the other mandatory languages.
If you were to learn any language off this list it'd have to be for more personal reasons than the categories stated. I'd learn Japanese because I like Japan and see it as a place I wouldn't mind permanently staying in. It has stronger national values and isn't completely zogged despite its porn scene. Realistically my back up country would actually be Russia.
I like how you improved the list and provided it with insights. I don't really have an opinion on anything you stated but I like how it's developing.
Thank you. Sometimes I feel weird trying to compliment people on here so I ultimately don't post it so you posting that makes me feel nice.
No problem, man. I'm glad you feel nice, you did a good job.
I'll also add for general study of Mahayana Buddhism, Classical Chinese is actually the way to go over Sanskrit as older texts are better preserved in Chinese translation than Sanskrit copies. It also tended to not carry over the spelling and phonological errors the Sanskrit copies made. That alongside the other large library of texts and religions in classical chinese make it outrank Sanskrit and is the best eastern classical language (of course not forgetting classical chinese is a large selection of languages). If koine wasn't so easy to learn after classical greek, I'd have a longer time considering which one is more valuable but this list is primarily aimed at the westerner and the NT is a large chunk of the west even if you aren't religious.
Another note: Sanskrit isn't completely useless. It still has Hinduism and not all of the Sanskrit canon were so badly preserved you need to learn Chinese, just a good chunk us lacking without. Its closer to Pali/Pakrit too so if you want to also learn Pali, learn Sanskrit first and then there's also the hybrid language.
Forgot Jainism too.
So followed by
and
the ultimate language list? I can't think of any other language I'd like to add to the list that wouldn't bloat it.
We don't really give a shit about Africa and there's an offshoot of pretty much every major language there. I'd guess you could argue portugese back up on the list but for the most part we've got the complete secular list. I might even go as far to drop Hindi too but we need more than Chinese for the east.
Or just Include Koine with Classical Greek and change it to 'Ancient Greek'
That's pretty much it.
>its utility in other slavic countries is greatly exaggerated
completely delusional. literally every commie country in Europe was forced to learn Russian
Please continue the conversation to the new thread