The north instigated the Civil War, so it probably wouldn't have done anything. The south would still break off, except now the north fricked itself by instigating the south into revolt while having untold resources tied up in the pacific.
The trading ports get bombed to shit and Japan becomes an even more backwards hermit country than it already was, with no chance of a controlled modernization.
Wasn't the whole point of Perry's visit to show that Japan was too weak to enforce Sakoku even if it wanted to?
America wasn't particularly invested in Japan and would likely back off if they proved to be unwaveringly stubborn, however random adventurers and merchants would not, over the years they'd learn to break the rules to get lucrative silk, possibly selling opium to Japan or some other misdeed, Russians might lay claim to Sakhalin and parts of Hokkaido. One incident or another would drag in colonial powers.
Further western technology upset the balance of power, the Shogunate and Imperial court rushed to build a modern navy and they both needed European assistance to win the race.
It was a "writing on the wall" thing, isolationism would end inevitably and they had to make sure they had a seat when the music stopped.
>Further western technology upset the balance of power, the Shogunate and Imperial court rushed to build a modern navy and they both needed European assistance to win the race.
A exactly they should had done prior to Imjin invasion.
The shogunate had a vague idea of the world out side of the Japanese isles via the Dutch trading mission.
Perry's visit forced them to make a choice. But even if they chose to stay locked up they'd still feel the need to learn more to prevent further incidents.
Probably have asked the Dutch merchant missions to send over some more books and possibly sent a mission to the Netherlands.
focusing on military and technological innovations. The Meji restoration probably would not have played out the same way if it happened at all. And you would have gotten a japan seeking to modernize without westernizing.
So no meji courtladies in the latest Parisian fashion. But straight to Todjo leading a military dictatorship heel bent on keeping Japan as a separate and distinct power and culture.
Am I literally the only person on this board who knows of Commodore James Biddle? He tried to peacefully open up Japan to trade with the US in 1846 with two wooden warships and politely waited for the Shogun’s response. A samurai b***hslapped him to the ground and drew his sword on the Commodore for his troubles. Commodore Perry was WELL AWARE of this when he decided to open up Japan and was not going to take know for an answer.
>Perry sails over to Japan >"Hey Jaaaaapaaaaannnn! Open the frick up. You dumb c**ts are going to trade with us and you're going to like it. Or else." >*Adjusts cannons on Japanese civilians
>Several decades later
>British and American leaders after a meeting: >"Hey Jaaaaapaaaaannn! We're closing those sweet little trading lanes. Thanks for giving us our trade deals. You c**ts aren't getting any of the precious resources your industry needs now. You're going to like this new deal of ours. Or else. Heh heh.... Heh heh heh!" >*Adjusts bombers over Japanese civilian centers
>"For years several countries have applied for trade, but you have opposed them on account of a national law. You have thus acted against divine principles and your sin cannot be greater than it is. What we say does not necessarily mean, as has already been communicated by the Dutch boat, that we expect mutual trade by all means. If you are still to disagree we would then take up arms and inquire into the sin against the divine principles, and you would also make sure of your law and fight in defence. When one considers such an occasion, however, one will realize the victory will naturally be ours and you shall by no means overcome us. If in such a situation you seek for a reconciliation, you should put up the white flag that we have recently presented to you, and we would accordingly stop firing and conclude peace with you, turning our battleships aside."
-Commodore Perry
>Perry's expedition to Japan was theoretically linked to the notion of manifest destiny, in which American settlers had a "God-given" right to spread across North America.[6] The role of Japan in particular was that of a base of commerce between China and the United States. According to US Secretary of State Daniel Webster, God had placed coal for steam ships and other trading vessels "in the depths of the Japanese islands for the benefit of the human family."[7]
>Ka-booom
Nothing would have happen, Congress would rape Perry if he attacked without orders from Washington.
He gets a promotion to Shogun Perry
Fantasy
Reality
Kyoto and Tokyo would have been bombarded and that's it.
Muttland was in no position to invade anyone as a few years later they'll start killing each other in the US Civil War.
A big war probably would have been a good distraction from slavery bullshit.
The north instigated the Civil War, so it probably wouldn't have done anything. The south would still break off, except now the north fricked itself by instigating the south into revolt while having untold resources tied up in the pacific.
>The north instigated the Civil War
Why do people still peddle this meme?
Libertarians and Southerners are totally delusional
>State of Kyushu
>State of Shikoku
>Republic of Japan
kino
The trading ports get bombed to shit and Japan becomes an even more backwards hermit country than it already was, with no chance of a controlled modernization.
Wasn't the whole point of Perry's visit to show that Japan was too weak to enforce Sakoku even if it wanted to?
They would have ended up like China, which is exactly the reason why they abandoned Sakoku
this
and this
America wasn't particularly invested in Japan and would likely back off if they proved to be unwaveringly stubborn, however random adventurers and merchants would not, over the years they'd learn to break the rules to get lucrative silk, possibly selling opium to Japan or some other misdeed, Russians might lay claim to Sakhalin and parts of Hokkaido. One incident or another would drag in colonial powers.
Further western technology upset the balance of power, the Shogunate and Imperial court rushed to build a modern navy and they both needed European assistance to win the race.
It was a "writing on the wall" thing, isolationism would end inevitably and they had to make sure they had a seat when the music stopped.
>Further western technology upset the balance of power, the Shogunate and Imperial court rushed to build a modern navy and they both needed European assistance to win the race.
A exactly they should had done prior to Imjin invasion.
The shogunate had a vague idea of the world out side of the Japanese isles via the Dutch trading mission.
Perry's visit forced them to make a choice. But even if they chose to stay locked up they'd still feel the need to learn more to prevent further incidents.
Probably have asked the Dutch merchant missions to send over some more books and possibly sent a mission to the Netherlands.
focusing on military and technological innovations. The Meji restoration probably would not have played out the same way if it happened at all. And you would have gotten a japan seeking to modernize without westernizing.
So no meji courtladies in the latest Parisian fashion. But straight to Todjo leading a military dictatorship heel bent on keeping Japan as a separate and distinct power and culture.
guh sovl
But I don't think the West would let them take Korea had they not acted like performing monkeys. They barely did as it was.
the west would have had a lot less to say about that though
>Century of humiliation :Japanese edition
Am I literally the only person on this board who knows of Commodore James Biddle? He tried to peacefully open up Japan to trade with the US in 1846 with two wooden warships and politely waited for the Shogun’s response. A samurai b***hslapped him to the ground and drew his sword on the Commodore for his troubles. Commodore Perry was WELL AWARE of this when he decided to open up Japan and was not going to take know for an answer.
Japan becomes a U.S. colony
It is already a US colony
Well it wasn't until 1945.
till 1952
You misspell Philippines.
No anime
I feel so bad for the Japanese.
>Perry sails over to Japan
>"Hey Jaaaaapaaaaannnn! Open the frick up. You dumb c**ts are going to trade with us and you're going to like it. Or else."
>*Adjusts cannons on Japanese civilians
>Several decades later
>British and American leaders after a meeting:
>"Hey Jaaaaapaaaaannn! We're closing those sweet little trading lanes. Thanks for giving us our trade deals. You c**ts aren't getting any of the precious resources your industry needs now. You're going to like this new deal of ours. Or else. Heh heh.... Heh heh heh!"
>*Adjusts bombers over Japanese civilian centers
>"For years several countries have applied for trade, but you have opposed them on account of a national law. You have thus acted against divine principles and your sin cannot be greater than it is. What we say does not necessarily mean, as has already been communicated by the Dutch boat, that we expect mutual trade by all means. If you are still to disagree we would then take up arms and inquire into the sin against the divine principles, and you would also make sure of your law and fight in defence. When one considers such an occasion, however, one will realize the victory will naturally be ours and you shall by no means overcome us. If in such a situation you seek for a reconciliation, you should put up the white flag that we have recently presented to you, and we would accordingly stop firing and conclude peace with you, turning our battleships aside."
-Commodore Perry
>Divine principles
????
Free trade
> His [Commodore Perry's] mother was born in County Down, Ireland
>Perry's expedition to Japan was theoretically linked to the notion of manifest destiny, in which American settlers had a "God-given" right to spread across North America.[6] The role of Japan in particular was that of a base of commerce between China and the United States. According to US Secretary of State Daniel Webster, God had placed coal for steam ships and other trading vessels "in the depths of the Japanese islands for the benefit of the human family."[7]