What made the Ottomans so good at war?
Obviously their anti-tech research policies predicated by stale clergy afraid of social change and an empowered populace stagnated them in the end, but when they had their zenith, it was good.
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Zerg-Rushing European slaves fodder.
They discovered the unholy secret of producing babies after anal sex between two men. This kept the natural Turkish homosexualry from destroying themselves and gave them enormous numbers to throw around.
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>Obviously their anti-tech research policies
history is not a paradox game
>history is not a paradox game
I don't know what you're talking about, I've never played a game from that IP.
This seems like a big part of it. Early advantage stagnated because of overmasculine brain.
This is wise of them and a credit to the Ottomans, but obviously they lost track of the rest of the worlds' gains.
>stagnated because of overmasculine brain
What
Ironically their good use of technology aka gunpowder. Problem was that eventually other people caught up and even evolved meanwhile the ottomans kind of stagnated
>Obviously their anti-tech research policies
Gentlemen...
they stole talent from their enemies and then used it against them. very often when they went to conquer european places they had lots of people who had grown up in those places so they knew the area very well, and some jannisaries were former nobles who had family or other contacts they could use
In short, it's the Janissaries. In the early days, the Janissaries were an elite professional standing army loyal to the Ottoman sultan, completely independent of the Turkish nobility, and largely comprised of the cream of the Balkans. This gave the Ottomans a significant military advantage over their European rivals, who had far less disciplined levy-based armed forces.
However, this advantage ultimately disappeared as other European powers started deploying their own standing armies and were able to enforce better standards of discipline/professionalism. Around the same time, the Janissaries got taken over by the Turkish nobility. Standards dropped, corruption ran rampant, the whole thing became a land ownership scheme run by Turkish nobles rather than an elite fighting force. They became too powerful within the Turkish state and actively obstructed the modernisation of the army. By the time they were disbanded in 1826 the damage they had done to the Ottoman state was considerable.
Janissaries were not the sole reason for ottoman military successes. Akinjis and other irregulars played a major role in ottoman expansion, border defence, and even economy (through raiding), these irregular units were so troublesome for europeans that had to adopt new tactics to counter them, that’s how the hussars and stradioti were formed.
A law of nature before tech became the driving factor was who were actually physically tougher people
Steppe peoples > Sedentary peoples like Europe, the Middle East/India, China
However, in the modern ages the driving factor for military dominance is iq with almost no meaningful correlation to physical toughness
r1b-z2103 pretending to be r1a-z93. this mystified and confused r1b i j and e enough that they raped all four
>Without subverters or the inside, Ottomans would be fricked
Cope, if they weren't good at war they wouldn't have won so much, it's really that simple.
>Ottomans
>good at war
Jews opened the gates to Constantinople. Without subverters or the inside, Ottomans would be fricked.
Jews got the Arabs into Iberia. Constantinople had already fallen before the siege of 1453. It was only thanks to Timur that it survived as long as it did.
The Ottomans did to Europe what the Iberians did to the Natives in South America
A disciplined professional core of their army with large well trained cavalry forces, it's really a recipe for success in those days.
They also had some pretty interesting military institutions like the Akinjis who would destroy an invading land's infrastructure before the main ottoman force invaded.
any good books about the ottoman empire especially late ottoman empire?
There are countless. The "reform era" or mid 19th century to the collapse of the caliphate is the most written about Ottoman topic. Especially in english. If you google "ottoman history books" you'll mostly find this era
Personally, I'm far more interested in the 1500-1750 era, so I don't have any specific recommendations for you
I read “Fall of the Ottomans” a few years ago. It gave a good overview of the empire from about 1905-1921. It was really interesting. I’d also read “The Vanquished” , specifically the parts on turkey if the early interwar period of Turkish unification interests you. Late ottoman history interests me the most.
Because they would use superior military minds from the balkans to wage their wars. See : Jannisaries. Turkish people do not know how to wage modern war as when they began losing the balkans they began declining. When they had no more balkan people to steal they were completely embarrassed for 10 years straight until they collapsed
>Because they would use superior military minds from the balkans to wage their wars. See : Jannisaries.
Jannis were trained in Ottoman military doctrine, not their own. Balkan military doctrine pretty much just consisted of shitty skirmishing and raiding by small parties.
Lol cope
>What made the Ottomans so good at war?
They had a big empire with an actual military possessing a centralized command, recruitment, and logistics structure, which also swam in a wealth of firearms & artillery. Compare that to the feudal & mercenarial clusterfricks that are European armies in the 1400s-1500s, where Duke de Pippi refuses King Jean XIIIVICIXXX call to arms because he called him names during parties, and some of his knights have gone for months without pay and had fricked off as mercenaries.
Which is why every time Europeans have to fight the Ottomans they did so in meme Holy Leagues where half of Europe has to buddy up to just even stand a chance against Kebabs.
Spanish navy btfo entire ottoroach navy ;_;
Very good posts anons. Thank you for being patient with my spoonfeeding request. I at least hope I've provided fairness to Turks, who are unfairly biased against on this board.