I thought I recall reading something about a WWI or WWII Japanese general dying in 1945 (I can't remember the exact name). Can anyone think of any ex samurai who died later that that?
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Someone at least get me the guy's name
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Kind of weird this wouldn't be a really interesting thread to people
It is interesting but I don't know the answer nor enough about modern Japanese history to guess. There's probably many others lurking like that.
Because none of the greasy pedophiles on this site know anything about Japanese history except anime.
The samurai died with Saigo Takamori during the Satsuma rebellion in 1877. Everyone afterwards were simply LARPers.
I think ex samurai are too old for ww2 general
https://www.japanese-wiki-corpus.org/person/Shichisaburo%20IKEDA.html
>A member of Shinsengumi, Shichisaburo IKEDA (December 27, 1849 – January 16, 1938) was the last remaining survivor of Shinsengumi (a special police force of the late Tokugawa shogunate period).
I can’t remember his name, but I remember reading about him. He definitely existed. Remember that Petain was born in 1856 and would have been 21 when the Satsuma Rebellion ended. Mackenstein fought in the Franco-Prussian War and only didn’t participate in WWII due to being an ardent monarchist. So, it would not be totally unreasonable for a young adult samurai in the early 1870s to still be around during WWII.
I agree it would be a difficult question to answer, but if anything, the last ex samurai or daiymo probably died in the 1970s or 80s even if we are including infants born around 1869-1871.
The Samurai were a fricking societal class that consisted 8-10% of Japan's population by the end of the Edo Period. That's like asking when did the last nobleman die off. It was probably so unknown dude who died quietly in his old age in the 1900s or 1930s.
Weird question.
How are you defining samurai? says it's like asking when the last nobleman died off, but people in England still LARP as nobles today.
Samurai as a structured noble class all died with the abolition of the Han system in 1870. If you're asking who of those daimyo were the last just add 90 years to 1960.
If you're asking when the last person from a samurai background with power died then they still haven't. Many of the rich old Samurai families retained power in the Meiji era, through WW2, and then become business magnates after the war.
It's like asking when the last Romanov died. The vast majority of the immediate ruling family and any chance of a restoration died in 1918, but there are still technically Romanovs alive today.
>but people in England still LARP as nobles today
British Peers LEGALLY are nobles, ameritard.
I know, I'm saying the concept of legal nobility is a LARP. Just because something is legally encoded doesn't mean it isn't role play, live action at that.
How is having the privilege of entering and voting in the house of Lords a LARP? They regularly delay or force the government to scrap stuff
Hardly. The last time the house of lords tried to overrule the lower house they were btfo, and that was over 100 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_Act_1911
Very few of the lords are hereditary anyway, I believe Blair made it so when the current batch die their "heirs" don't automatically get a peerage.
>if you got little to no power you are LARPing!
Were late western Roman Emperors LARPers? Are japanese Tennos LARPers? The truth is, law is law, british peerage was never dissolved and it's monarchy still rules. It doesn't matter if it's only nominal, in fact, what matters is nominality, legality.
I'm not denying they have roles and a modicum of power but I'm calling it a LARP because compared to the power they used to hold it's nothing. We disagree on nothing.
Chiang 1920-1949: genuine power.
Chiang on Taiwan: LARPing as China.
British peer 1700: genuine power.
British peer 2022: LARPing as a noble.
I see, my bad for the useless discussion then, be well anon.
I suppose I would define it one of three ways:
1) any Japanese male born into the samurai class before its abolition.
2) any Japanese male who was born into the samurai class and was an adult by the time of its abolition in 1868-1871.
3) any Japanese male who was born into the samurai class any fought as a samurai in a pre-1868 conflict or post-abolition samurai revolt (such as the Satsuma Rebellion).
Then I suppose
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is right, as the last full adult samurai who lived the longest.
The tiny wikipedia page on him is very fascinating.
>When asked for a death poem on the day he died, he is reported to have said, "I had one when Meiji came to power. Not now." (明治元年にやつた。今は無い)
He wrote himself a death poem during the Boshin war, when he was just 20 years old, ready and willing to die for a cause he believed in, but by 1941 he didn't have one, he no longer had a cause he died for and was simply withering away through the decades.
Relevant video from a Japanese neo-reactionary in the 70s, who killed himself after launching a failed coup attempt.
It seems very Roman and very pagan to me that they genuinely wanted to die young, in their prime, and for a cause, it's completely removed from the modern Japan, the West, and our mindsets now.
Ironically, it was a very tragic death poem in and of itself.
>9 at the time of the Boshin war
He sure was, among relevant people the last trained-as-a-samurai to die, but it seems Tadataka was the truly last Samurai to command troops. The truly last one was probally some random nonagenarian or centenarian, for as you said Japs live long.
However I couldn't find anything about the last low-ranking samurai to die, we should prob look on the japanese side of the web.
>Roman and very pagan
larper spotted
Don't know about lower samurai, but teenage daimyos Asano Nagakoto and Toda Ujitaka lived untill the 1930s.
A well rained noble samurai who commanded troops from the fall of the shogunate to the occupation of Manchruia is Uehara Yūsaku, but the famous Yamagata Aritomo was the oldest samurai-turned-Showa-era-General.
tl;dr: There was no samurai arround ww2, the eldest veterans were children in the 1860s.
Seems like Hayashi Tadataka (d.1941) was actually the last daimyo.
This might have been one of the guys I was thinking of. He was the last Daiymo and samurai I could find that fought in a major conflict. He died shortly before the Attack on Pearl Harbor. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayashi_Tadataka
This was another guy. He was 8 when the Boshin War concluded. He committed Seppuku after Japan’s surrender in WWII. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiba_Gor%C5%8D
>could have been born pre-meiji and live long enough to see japan become a consumerist anime american colony
Thing is he was only 85 when died, which is like nothing by Japanese standards. There had to be at least a few old samurai who made it into their 100s, or even 110s, and died in the 50s or 60s. I might have to do some more in-depth digging looking at lists of the oldest verified Japanese men and see how far back it goes.
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Why? The question was answered.
Since it got bumped I'm going to slightly derail the thread to ask a question. The parallels between the European knight and the samurai in their battlefield function are obvious but why did the samurai focus so heavily on archery and knights didn't? The samurai went out of their way to sacrifice some armor protection to make it so they could draw a bow better, even. Was it just random chance, the kind of terrain they were fighting in, having to deal with Mongol horse archers or something to do with the way that their forces were equipped and deployed?
I know exactly nothing but I would guess the hilly terrain. The longbow became popular in Wales for the same reason.
It actually didn’t. We just found a few candidates, and we answered who was the last Daiymo.
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