when did the Ottomans stop being Asiatic Turks and assimilate into the Anatolian population?
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when did the Ottomans stop being Asiatic Turks and assimilate into the Anatolian population?
When they discovered the 'joy' of pedarasty.
>asiatic
They were never full asiatic
Turkic by definitions and creation are hapas/eurasians
By the time of late antiquity/early middle ages they already lost their mongoloid appearance and were like 10 % asian
Anatolian turks have like only 10 % turkic DNA tho
central Asian and Siberian Turks are still visibly Asiatic or at least hapa looking and those are the areas where Turks are from ancestrally
That's not what happened Turkoid
What he said was close. makes more sense to said north or northeast asian
Are you fricking blind?
yes can you spoonfeed me what i should be seeing pretty please
Look at the chart. It clearly shows the Anatolian component as being Caucasoid in the further breakdown with like 5% mongoloid.
huh
i was concerned about turkish origins
gokturks are basicaly north asian which is what i said, but it looks like prototurks were from west asia.
Gokturks were Oxus culture people.
Gokturks were from Mongolia
Geographically that's where they were located, not where they were from. Chart shows them as less than a quarter Asiatic.
The shift to Hongshan Asiatic ancestry only occurs after the fall of the Uyghur Khaganate during the Kyrgyz period.
The chart is an amateurish fabrication.
probably which is why i now ask for sources on genetic spread
It's not a fabrication. Give me a moment to grab the source.
https://leventagaoglu.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-gokturks-and-early-turkic-tribes.html
All I see is a roach completely misinterpreting data to cope with his J haplogroup and high BMAC-related DNA. I knew it.
You're just confirming your own biases then. Cope.
https://indo-european.eu/2020/03/r1b-rich-proto-indo-europeans-show-genetic-continuity-in-asia/#deadend
They're clustering far more closely with west Eurasians here than to east asians.
https://indo-european.eu/2020/08/xiongnu-ancestry-connects-huns-avars-to-scytho-siberians/
>BMAC
>Turukkaeans
>Turkic
lmfao moron
Those are next to BMAC, Oxus is clearly denoted as being "Proto-Turkic" you moronic homosexual
BMAC is known as the Oxus Civilization you massive brainlet
I never said otherwise. Bmac/Oxus.
They got mongol'd who are full mongoloid
Turks were already hapas so it was far easier to make them into full mongoloids
is Turkic/Mongolian ancestry also present in some Europeans? I'm white but I have slanted eyes and high cheekbones with those eye folds I forget the name of.
>They got mongol'd who are full mongoloid
That would have been before they came to Anatolia in any case.
>And as a corollary question
How much of the modern Turkish identity (i.e. of nation Turkey specifically) is:
Turkish (Ottoman and other)
Arab
Caucasian (esp. Armenian)
Kurdish
Byzantine
Roman
Ancient Greek/Hellenic
Earlier Anatolian cultures, e.g. Hittite, Lydian, Galatian.
Turkey/Anatolia is a major melting pot of ethnicities and cultures, but most of us in the West no little about it.
>Turkey/Anatolia is a major melting pot of ethnicities and cultures
Maybe during the ottomans but definitely not anymore after the assimilation process of Ataturk and his party and the peoples exchange with greece and armenian genocide. The only one who maybe still somewhat hold out are kurds but even they had to endure heavy forced assimilation.
The ethnicities you mentioned don't really matter cause the culture only revolves around the shit made up by Ataturk during the creation of the republic and most of turks are either greek or greek anatolian with some balkan here and there.
Don't you gays ever get tried of constantly b***hing and crying and still nobody giving a frick? How many movies have the armenoids made on the "genocide"? Kek
>give reasoning with why something is not the case anymore
>immediately spregs out thinking everyone is armenian
>welcome to nu/his/
>give reasoning
You're entire reasoning is based on some fake genocides of the early 20th century. Turkish culture was invented out of thin air in the 1920s, armenoid thing.
FYI. Armenoid doesn't just mean Armenian
>Turkish culture
No such thing before the ataturk republic and before the young turks
You think the Anatolians didn’t have their own “culture” despite the Ottoman Heir calling himself Turkish? Most citizens in the Ottoman Empire identified by their culture, Greek, bulgar, etc. None of them have in identified as “ottoman”
You think ataturk came up with a random culture lol?
>You think ataturk came up with a random culture lol?
yes
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We need to add Persian to the list too (post above)
The Turcomans already started losing their ancestral Asiatic phenotype by the Late Middle Ages. We have sources that attest to this. When the Seljuks started moving into Anatolia, many were still roughly 50% Asiatic. When the Ottomans took power, this number had already shrunk down to 20%. Today Anatolian Turks are only 5 - 15% Asiatic.
>when did the Ottomans stop being Asiatic Turks and assimilate into the Anatolian population?
before they were actually even Ottoman
Who cares? They are brown.
They never did really, if we look at the biggest influences on Turkish language and culture it's not Greek, rather it is Persian. The Turks basically became Persianised before the Ottomans were a thing but when they did come to power their court culture was thoroughly persianate in nature. There's a reason why the Ottomans referred to themselves as 'Shah' as much as they referred to themselves as 'Sultan'.
>when did the Ottomans stop being Asiatic Turks
They never were, the Ottomans were already localized Turks from their Seljuk & Oghuz forebears who arrived in Anatolia 3 centuries ago.
As the westernmost elements of the horde were vastly outnumbered by their subjects and preferred white mates.
Things come full circle since the earliest Turkic script, Orkhan, is runic, sharing letters like the ophala with scandinavian and German runes. Asiatic Siberians came into the steppe, absorbed white culture, and like the hapa Attila, some ended up invading Europe and becoming barely-asiatic happas. Like Russians.
>sharing letters
Germanic runes have no relations to the Old Turkic script.
>white culture
No such thing.
>barely-asiatic happas. Like Russians
No.
Turkmen aren't actually uber asiatic people. You're probably thinking of Kazakh's and Kyrgyz rather than Turkmen, which are who Turks claim lineage from. They are Asiatic but they are not light skinned and the like.
Turks claim lineage from medieval Turkmens, not modern Turkmens. If modern Turkmens are visibly Asiatic, eventhough they mixed with Iranians, then their purer ancestors were uber Asiatic.
Probably painfully well known to both yous, but for anyone interested, the "men" in Turkmen means "like", not related to "men" in, say, Germanic languages.
She cute as hell
You are either very generous, or very Turkic
I don't think she looks bad but if I had to find a picture to describe the word 'ethnic' this would be it
They rapebabied the iranians of khwarazm first and became turkmen
then when they began settling anatolia in the late 1100s-1200s they started taking greek slave women and bred with them to become half anatolian greek half turkmen.
basically every region they conquered they destroyed the major cities and razed the countryside and then took women as slaves to breed. and after a generation the population looked like 80% muslim mutt greek-turkmen and 20% anatolian greek
Mutt's law in action
That American and Brazilan.
It's literally called Turkmenistan. It's where Turks originally came from. BMAC.
Homeland of the Turks
No, even further east, towards Mongolia. Originally that is.
Technically you're right, they were still proto-Turks.
Moving even further back in time, I guess there would have been something like a TurkoMongol ethnicity speaking proto-TurkoMongol, giving rise to that language family.
More than likely. They also adopted the XIongnu script, although I don't know if they had any writing before that.
They were already mutted with Iranics before they got to Anatolia