Who is the Jacob Collier of literature? Somebody "technically" very good but produces terrible art
Who is the Jacob Collier of literature? Somebody "technically" very good but produces terrible art
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Who is the Jacob Collier of literature? Somebody "technically" very good but produces terrible art
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Pynchon, Theroux, Gass, Gaddis, . . .
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Time Runner Sword.(this story)
(Unaptly named) Waymaker (story about this guy with a sign post kind of move that transitions from place to place)
(Unaptly named) Surge (story about two super soldiers who have to save the multiverse from a ionistic division by zero).
Gass specifically might be the answer here. I loved The Tunnel dearly but it is a bit of a throwaway concept for 30 years of your life in anticipation for this magnum opus. I think an even more apt response would be Barthelme. haven't read in years and all I can remember is decent techne and great cadence of sentence but I remember absolutely nothing from any of the stories.
pynchon and gaddis are obvious bait
theroux probably
John Updike, hands down, followed by Nabakov
>John Updike
you find fault in his short stories?
pls explain
Have you read any of his novels? They're so limp and worthless. Great writing, but man...hard to finish even the big name Rabbit ones.
nabokov?please die
>Nabakov
Who's that?
I could snap his pencil neck in half in a matter of milliseconds. Physical weakness truly is abhorrent.
Tolstoy
It's unbelievable how shit his "music" sounds. He grew up in a musical family, doesn't he have ear or some appreciation for beauty?
>The most talented hapa in the world
it's not bad, maybe not your genre? It's pretty ambient. It reminds me of the songs I imagine in my head in the shower, with all the lightness and the free association.
Dear anons, before you rip into me please give me the same respect I extended to you.
Nah, it's not that bad, the video is just kind of cringey, though.
Actually kind of innovative.
I listen to stuff like this, though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0gNoELvpPo
So my tastes are not tobe taken seriously.
>Actually kind of innovative.
In which sense?
I HATE DODECAPHONY I HATE DODECAPHONY I HATE DODECAPHONY I HATE DODECAPHONY I HATE DODECAPHONY
>It's pretty ambient
shut up zoomer
>It's pretty ambient
>It's good as long as you aren't really paying attention
What an odd thing to say lol
>>It's good as long as you aren't really paying attention
kek
you anons are getting too witty these days
I think good ambient sets an environment rather than deliver content. If you pay attention, there is no message, but it's still good. Also, I don't see the problem with music that is good while you don't pay attention to it... Everything has a niche.
>Also, I don't see the problem with music that is good while you don't pay attention to it.
Imagine saying this about any other art form. If it becomes bad once you pay attention to it, that means it's bad.
It's like a saying a loose mountain lion in your house is fine as long as you forget about him.
You're still going to get eaten by the lion. You're still listening to shitty music.
>Imagine saying this about any other art form.
Architecture.
Not every art form requires your full attention, especially when it's part of the lived environment.
Not fully understanding the theories and principles behind it doesn't mean you can't accurately judge the quality of an artistic work.
Any old moron, including you and me, can tell wether a building is beautiful or ugly.
I refuse to believe that you would ever look at a western khrushchyovka and think like that.
Maybe tell it to your wife when you buy a house like this for your family. "Don't worry, honey, it's fine as long as you don't give it your full attention" hahaha
I'm almost in the same boat as this anon
in that, if paying attention ruins the thing, it's not good art. I would be willing to accept that it's useful to set a certain mood, but calling it "good music" is a step too far.
>useful to set a certain mood
Jacob Collier music sets the perfect mood for all non-wankers to quickly vacate the premises where the music is being played.
Wankers Only zone mood.
WELLLLLLLLLLL
is way better. his best tune as of yet
the overproduced videos are almost worse than the horrific music
I'm always amazed at how fricking shit a song can sound despite being made by someone with this much musical education and knowledge.
I mean good on him, he is an artist and can do whatever he likes, but I'm positive that most of the gays that keeping liking this are trying to trick themself into enjoying this.
WELLLL is incomprehensibly jacobean
Though out of Djesse 4, I think "Wherever I Go" is the best so far
"In The Real Early Morning" is still my all time favourite though
Insurance Commercial tier
How does he manage to sound so minimalist and maximalist at the same time. His music sounds like a hospital
Technically its impossible to it sound "bad" because he knows music theory. But its shit
But why do you think it's bad?
Try and pin it down.
the problem with jacob collier's original music is no concept is ever fully realised, nothing ever gets stage time beyond a few moments, room to breathe, it's a grab bag of token efforts tossed together
This is probably the most accurate description about his music I've read so far
It is very much possible for theoretically correct music to sound bad
>Technically its impossible to it sound "bad" because he knows music theory.
That makes no sense because music theory is descriptive and has almost nothing to do with actually writing and making music.
>theoretically correct music
What the FRICK does this mean? I swear you non-musicians haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
>I swear you non-musicians haven't got a clue what you're talking about
I am a musician. What I meant by "theoretically correct" is music written in accordance with the "rules" of theory. I know theory is descriptive. That doesn't mean people don't treat like a rule book or steps to follow.
One can have great theoretical knowledge, but such knowledge at the end of the day is only a tool; its not going to teach you what's good or bad and possessing it is certainly not going to stop you from being able to make bad music.
The lyrics and music have no cohesion, not to mention that the lyrics are shit. The result is that the song is unable to channel any sort of emotion whatsoever.
It's as if a university music student was given an assignment where he is required to demonstrate proficiency of various rhythmic and harmonic concept in a single composition.
>It's as if a university music student was given an assignment where he is required to demonstrate proficiency of various rhythmic and harmonic concept in a single composition.
This is so precise. Maybe that's why I feel something of a "phoniness" to his music.
There's something insincere about his sound and I don't know why; which is curious considering he obviously know a lot and I don't doubt for a second he really loves his influences.
But if that's the case, how can it happen then?
I hate this so much. It's so disjointed. It sounds like I'm stuck in the back seat of the car, and someone keeps flipping through the FM radio stations, and they've gone through every frequency like three times, and I just want to yell, "FRICKING PICK SOMETHING ALREADY" holy shit
Kek, i like some experimental shit, but this sounds so fricking awful. Bloated yet uninteresting, like a ball of yarn
Mr.Bungle for retirement homes.
Lmfao
technical knowledge doesn't account for taste, how do you make such solid drum and bass playing sound lame
It sounds so saccharine but also disjointed
I gotta wash my ears with some Burzum now
I was going to say Nabokov as well, but it doesn't really fit. Nabokov produced amazing art, it's just that there isn't much depth in it, after you peel away the outer layer of his prose.
I only vaguely knew this guy before and this is about the one song that I actually can stand from him that I've heard. Maybe I'm just being contrarian but the maximalist disjointedness actually sort of works here and I like the experimental daring of it. Every other song I've listened to sounds awful in this thread and elsewhere, especially the ones (and there are loads of them, from what I see) that are trying to be simple and heartfelt or poppy.
The technique vs. passion binary is not always very helpful for creatives and I think sometimes comes from a retrospective misunderstanding of the creative process.
This is the logical conclusion of music theory after Beethoven, he mindbroke everyone with his genius simplicity so now they overcompensate with shit like this
I disagree, there are modern classical pieces so beautiful they take your breath away, you just need to have good aesthetic sensibilities to use complex music theory well
%3D%3D
>1925
>modern
>1930+ posters think they're oldgays now
20th century western art music is also known as modern classical, the western art music of today is usually called contemporary or post-modern classical
I fricking hate people who are younger than me
The dtart was good and the in got progressively worse. This is not a coherent piece of music. It's a masturbatory demo for showing off multiple genres but doesnt excel in any of them
it's no seona dancing, I know that much
I guess one of the problems is that he's trying to do many things at the same time.
What's the problem with "introduction, verse, bridge, chorus"?
Isn't he aiming for pop music?
He did grow up in a musical family. I remember reading once how his relatives played in orchestras and taught at various musical institutions, and also how he and his family played and sang Bach chorales together when he was growing up. He may know how to play instruments and understands music theory concepts, but frick me is his taste terrible. Aesthetics should be a big thing, but they're completely overlooked. Just a quick look at him and his stupid hair, his ugly album covers, and cringeworthy music videos should give you enough of an idea about how tasteless he is. No amount of technical knowledge can make up for terrible taste.
Anyone who looks like that on purpose is either severely mentally ill or running a grift on the severely mentally ill. My money is on the latter but coasties are kooks either way.
It's literally DFW, he was the same kind of hyper-literate wunderkind when he was alive
have a nice day
Harold Bloom, most comp lit professors
the most punchable face i have ever seen
I love him actaully. He makes me feel things I've never felt before.
That transition in Sky Above is so godly, I want to savour it and only play it like once a year so it doesn't get stale.
>Who is the Jacob Collier of literature? Somebody technically very good but produces pleb filters that 95% of anons will seethe at.
Deleuze & Guattari
>produces pleb filters that 95% of anons will seethe at
Making mediocre pop music that has an added veneer of academic virtuosity will never be considered as "good" music to anyone who doesn't have soulless fricking taste in music.
Jacob Collier fans are on the same level as Joe Satriani or Yngwie Malmsteen fans who jerk off over guitar players who play their solos really fast but add virtually little to no substance that could be quantified as anything other than unmemorable or needlessly ostentatious.
t. can't differentiate between a 7th and a 9th chord by ear
t. can't differentiate between a good music and a layered microtonal farting
Blow it out your ass jake
Who looks like that or says that? Maybe a 6th chord, but a 9th? No way.
Yngwie's early stuff is fantastic though
the guy who wrote House of Leaves
who the frick does even listen to a music like that
my step dad who's an old jazz head likes him for some reason
when i told him that his music sounds like ass, he told me that he loves it because he's so skilled
>when i told him that his music sounds like ass, he told me that he loves it because he's so skilled
Pretty much sums up most jazz fans.
Most jazz fans hate Collier. Maybe Kenny G swigging, Chick Corea listening, Herbie Hanwiener respecting people with no discretion might like him.
jacob collier would write a dictionary sorted by the word length because he knows all the words and then would try to explain you why it is a good prose
>jacob collier would write a dictionary sorted by the word length because he knows all the words and then would try to explain you why it is a good prose
kek
Not really possible without an element of dexterity.
What does "technical" literature look like? With music it's really easy to spot when somebody is trying to show off their mastery of technique, usually it just means "lots of notes." Nobody really thinks of really restrained minimalist stuff like Morton Feldman as being very technical even though it can be harder to play than the kitchen sink maximalist stuff
I guess it would be someone with good prose but shit stories and moronic ideas?
this thread is the equivalent of genre-fic readers complaining ulysses is too difficult
Imagine the endless sea of mid white pussy
I have the same bizarre gift as Jacob Collier where I can pick up any musical instrument and learn it to an intermediate level in a month or so. The thing is being intermediate at various instruments is basically a useless skill and Jacob was lucky to become a meme and blow up.
>The thing is being intermediate at various instruments is basically a useless skill
nah people make lots of money with this skill on youtube, just do arrangements of popular shit
The thing is he really is a pretty good and confident piano player, at least significantly beyond what I'd call "intermediate". I wouldn't say so about drums bass guitar etc tho. The djesse albums up until this point have been well produced too, but I feel like his problem is he has a very specific weird taste for things in general; aesthetics, inspiration sources, composition and others. I'm not defending him, let alone dickride like so many people online do lol, I will say that vol. 3 felt like an adhd sweaty fever dream and i feel like vol. 4 is not going to be any better but Vol. 2 had some sweet moments that I still revel in from time to time, like that batshit insane sax solo in nebaluyo or Feel or Lua but generally the more time passes the less I'm impressed by his output. Even the stuff of his that i like i still admit is super fringe in terms of music categorisation and very love it or hate it, with a higher probability of hate it for most people
This too, i still think this is super groovy and way more approachable than the other example provided in the thread, although it does walk a fine line between "entertainingly impressive" and "pretentious". Also who doesn't love a little bit of prepared piano
not a great example since it's not his song
It is more than your best attempt at it's finish.
my best attempt at what? i'm not a musician.
that's fair his piano playing is closer to pro level
Here's some non moronic/gay music to wash your ears with
>math rock but on a generic hip hop beat
I'd rather just listen to rage, the beats are unironically way better compositions than anything this revolving-door-of-phrasings way of playing guitar could ever make.
%3D
Sooooooo many crabs ITT it's crazy
Probably some genreslop writer who is good at describing in great and epic detail the events of the 3rd Highdornian Crusade against the evil Necroking Mortorgimorth but can't make any reader with a soul care about it.
Never actually listened to his music before, but it sounds like he just writes 4-6 loops of elevator music and then randomly throws them together. No sense of buildup or payoff.
You say he understands music theory but it seems like he doesn't understand the concept of Development
Imagine if 2 minutes into Chaconne it stopped and Air on G started playing instead
That's the level he's on, schizophrenia with no concept of a greater piece
That's solid advice.
I don't hate the guy as a person, only his music.
I can watch a video by him and come out with something learnt and be amused. But then I go listen to his original work and it blows; it's all bland and feelgoodsy.
He shares the worse vices of bands like coldplay and imaginedragons.
His bassline lacks the malice of bands of the seventies he takes as inspiration.
His piano playing lacks the edgness of a Monk, Thelonius.
His Metal riffs are just not hard enough.
Is his goal half-assing all musical genres?
His stuff is all over the place as said in this thread.
Being more accurate, his thing is not even really that hateful, it's just owefully forgetable.
I can't recall a single theme from the songs I've heard.
Isn't it pop? Where is my chewing gum then?
He should drop the one-man act. It worked for Stevie Wonder, but is not doing him any good.
He would benefit from the right collaborators.
yeah I agree with you
I have a former musician friend that is similar to him in that aspect - he’s beyond a virtuoso at guitar and writing guitar music that is more like an athlete than a musician. but his music sucks because he spent too much time studying theory and not enough time listening to music, or at least learning how to play stuff that people actually like
Listen to Aphex
so many novel tracks, all pure good instinct and taste in melody and sound
people hate on him because he maxed out his technical skill a little too young to make good pop music, which is born from life experience that he lacks
he is really good at supporting other artists, he does add a lot to the one off songs for other artists’s albums
Soulless chink
Na'qqqq
>refutes every music theory gay in existence
sovl
This guy is so fricking ugly and his music is shit
He comes across as a character from Spy Kids
why is there a massive hum behind every word he ever sings, that's the most obnoxious thing about his music
White k-pop. Kaleidoscope of genre conventions to give the widest possible audience something to latch on to. Relentless pace and gaudy visuals to blast through flatlined zoomer attention span. Neon multicoloured cotton candy in a pair of wacky braces.
Jacob Collier the type of homie who eats his own cum and says YUMMY
pretty much describes joyce
https://www.reddit.com/r/JacobCollier/comments/qhugtf/my_one_and_only_experience_with_jacob_collier_was/