>Catholicism was a mistake >literally founded by Christ himself >The Pope has apostolic succession all the way back to Peter
Meanwhile... >Orthodox don't have apostolic succession >Orthodox churches don't have a centralized Church and is just a bunch of patriarchs "in communion" with each other >Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kiril was literally a KGB agent and so is the rest of the clergy. >Russian Church is merely a puppet of the Russian government; muh socialism.
Sorry, who's the mistake again? Why are (you) and Dosto so insistent in keeping away from Catholics when you're closer to us than Protestants are and vice versa.
>Implying the current "Orthodox" rites aren't full of heresy, innovation and prelest such as their hesychast navel-gazing non-Trinitarian nonsense
How many "Orthodox" rites are there by the way? And how many "Orthodox" rites are in a state of mutual excommunication? Orhotodoxy is basically another Protestant sect at this point, just as they were destined to become the moment they all broke from Rome, the Rock of Christ's Church, the Shepherd of Christ's Flock, the Vicar of Christ.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You don’t understand patriarchates do you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do you know what Schism is?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, I do and I don’t see how that a schism occurred vindicates anything you said.
>Orthodox don't have apostolic succession
wrong >Orthodox churches don't have a centralized Church and is just a bunch of patriarchs "in communion" with each other
yes, like the early church >Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kiril was literally a KGB agent and so is the rest of the clergy.
Romans 7 or whatnot, but it doesn't matter ROC isn't the only Orthodox Church
Never forget when the Orthodox held their tongues and cowered in fear as heresies were adopted at "Second Ephesus." And it was only because Pope Leo I's legate St. Hilarius objected that the "council" was voided and Chalcedon was called to rectify the situation, with all the Orthos arriving and publicly repenting for previously voting for heresy.
Kinda true. Dostoevsky can totally be appreciated by Catholics, and has been for generations. It is typical of overzealous converts to seek only materials and influences that are part of their “team.” The only Dostoevsky for Catholics is… Dostoevsky
But what is that "thing" in Dosto that Orthodox Christians can experience and not Catholics?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dosto creates a literature that takes his faith seriously, as something extremely meaningful, something that's always present in the lives of his characters, usually making them better people. He kinda illustrates why Orthodoxy is "right".
Everytime I read a Catholic (someone who is at least culturally Catholic) author writing fiction and trying to put Catholicism in the same place that Dosto puts Orthodoxy in his works, it's different.
Catholicism is kinda written with mockery, as a decadent institution, as something retrograde and filled with irrational superstition.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Everytime I read a Catholic (someone who is at least culturally Catholic) author writing fiction and trying to put Catholicism in the same place that Dosto puts Orthodoxy in his works, it's different.
This statement is suspect because you have not provided a necessary example of such a "Catholic" author. For the time being I will assume that you have not read a single "Catholic" author and that you are just writing how you 'feel' and not what you really know, typical of "Orthodox" Christians.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>For the time being I will assume that you have not read a single "Catholic" author
That's the point of this thread. For people to suggest said authors to be read.
Dostoievski's equivalent is Joyce. Dante is not the equivalent because Dostoievski is not even half as good as Dante was; the Russian Orthodox Dante is probably Tolstoy since he is the only one who resembles him.
The problems that Tolstoy had with the Orthodox Church does not mean that Tolstoy was not Orthodox but that he preferred his original and personal version of Christianity.
His goodness as an author would be culturally subjective, would it not? Dostoevsky could never be Dante to us. Dante could never be Dostoevsky to them. Do you really think Russians care for Dante like we do?
Who the frick is "we" and "they" here?
Also, Russians have a dozen translations of Dante and hold him in about as high regard as any other western nation outside of Italy (for whom he is the most important).
If Dostoevsky is an author who approaches things from the point of view of Orthodoxy, then the equivalent author who approaches things from the viewpoint of Catholicism is someone who is not Catholic and probably not even religious.
Let that sink in for a few minutes if you don’t get it.
It doesn't matter, really, because Eastern Orthodoxy is completely void of any dogma with moral or spiritual nurtitional value, and for couple hundreds years has mostly been
institution of cult of death & temporal misery so ingrained in eastern slav culture and lapdog of Tzars/Patry/Contemporary Tzars, and with few exceptions was always subservient to them.
With that said, Joyce, I guess.
>NNTaleb >meme author
oh my, you must be a very smart boy! I bet you could write some really great stuff all by yourself too that others would pay for even! Special Boy Alert!!! >He's one of those moronic Ortholarper converts too
kys
Dante? Bernanos? Mauriac? Tolkien? O’Connor? Depends on what aspect of Dostoevsky you’re considering.
Tolkien is to dualistic
me, anon. my diary publishing soon
Bloy, The Desperate Man
>Leon Bloy
Thanks for introducing him to me, anon, I'm eager to read it now.
He has awesome quotes. Some if my favorite 20th century writers ended up becoming huge fans of his but not one talks about it.
You write like a gay, but I am happy for you.
>catholic
if you've read dosto, you know there's no need for one because catholicism was a mistake
>Catholicism was a mistake
>literally founded by Christ himself
>The Pope has apostolic succession all the way back to Peter
Meanwhile...
>Orthodox don't have apostolic succession
>Orthodox churches don't have a centralized Church and is just a bunch of patriarchs "in communion" with each other
>Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kiril was literally a KGB agent and so is the rest of the clergy.
>Russian Church is merely a puppet of the Russian government; muh socialism.
Sorry, who's the mistake again? Why are (you) and Dosto so insistent in keeping away from Catholics when you're closer to us than Protestants are and vice versa.
you're an idiot, get the frick off IQfy you actual moron.
u mad lol
>No rebuttal
>Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kiril was literally a KGB agent
Based
Oriental Orthodoxy is the truth.
The Western church was Orthodox before it was Roman Catholic.
>Source: my ass
The West rite has been used by some parishes in the West since as early as the 10th century.
>Implying the current "Orthodox" rites aren't full of heresy, innovation and prelest such as their hesychast navel-gazing non-Trinitarian nonsense
How many "Orthodox" rites are there by the way? And how many "Orthodox" rites are in a state of mutual excommunication? Orhotodoxy is basically another Protestant sect at this point, just as they were destined to become the moment they all broke from Rome, the Rock of Christ's Church, the Shepherd of Christ's Flock, the Vicar of Christ.
You don’t understand patriarchates do you?
Do you know what Schism is?
Yes, I do and I don’t see how that a schism occurred vindicates anything you said.
then you're moronic, tbh.
>Orthodox don't have apostolic succession
wrong
>Orthodox churches don't have a centralized Church and is just a bunch of patriarchs "in communion" with each other
yes, like the early church
>Russian Orthodox Patriarch Kiril was literally a KGB agent and so is the rest of the clergy.
Romans 7 or whatnot, but it doesn't matter ROC isn't the only Orthodox Church
Never forget when the Orthodox held their tongues and cowered in fear as heresies were adopted at "Second Ephesus." And it was only because Pope Leo I's legate St. Hilarius objected that the "council" was voided and Chalcedon was called to rectify the situation, with all the Orthos arriving and publicly repenting for previously voting for heresy.
Bloy
Walker Percy
Who gives a frick?
Kinda true. Dostoevsky can totally be appreciated by Catholics, and has been for generations. It is typical of overzealous converts to seek only materials and influences that are part of their “team.” The only Dostoevsky for Catholics is… Dostoevsky
But there's a thing in Dostoievski's books that somehow can only be experienced by Orthodox christians.
That could be a Catholic author who does the same with catholicism.
But what is that "thing" in Dosto that Orthodox Christians can experience and not Catholics?
Dosto creates a literature that takes his faith seriously, as something extremely meaningful, something that's always present in the lives of his characters, usually making them better people. He kinda illustrates why Orthodoxy is "right".
Everytime I read a Catholic (someone who is at least culturally Catholic) author writing fiction and trying to put Catholicism in the same place that Dosto puts Orthodoxy in his works, it's different.
Catholicism is kinda written with mockery, as a decadent institution, as something retrograde and filled with irrational superstition.
>Everytime I read a Catholic (someone who is at least culturally Catholic) author writing fiction and trying to put Catholicism in the same place that Dosto puts Orthodoxy in his works, it's different.
This statement is suspect because you have not provided a necessary example of such a "Catholic" author. For the time being I will assume that you have not read a single "Catholic" author and that you are just writing how you 'feel' and not what you really know, typical of "Orthodox" Christians.
>For the time being I will assume that you have not read a single "Catholic" author
That's the point of this thread. For people to suggest said authors to be read.
This is you, hesychast.
I'll assume you don't know any, then. Cool.
Genuine and sincere religious feeling and piety
Catholic here. Dosto feels very relatable to me.
Herman Melville
Dostoievski's equivalent is Joyce. Dante is not the equivalent because Dostoievski is not even half as good as Dante was; the Russian Orthodox Dante is probably Tolstoy since he is the only one who resembles him.
But Tolstoy wasn’t Russian Orthodox, anon
The problems that Tolstoy had with the Orthodox Church does not mean that Tolstoy was not Orthodox but that he preferred his original and personal version of Christianity.
The equivalent is Bloy. Salvation by the israelites is the Catholic "Grand Inquisitor."
His goodness as an author would be culturally subjective, would it not? Dostoevsky could never be Dante to us. Dante could never be Dostoevsky to them. Do you really think Russians care for Dante like we do?
Who the frick is "we" and "they" here?
Also, Russians have a dozen translations of Dante and hold him in about as high regard as any other western nation outside of Italy (for whom he is the most important).
why the frick do you non reading trannies waste your time here?
If Dostoevsky is an author who approaches things from the point of view of Orthodoxy, then the equivalent author who approaches things from the viewpoint of Catholicism is someone who is not Catholic and probably not even religious.
Let that sink in for a few minutes if you don’t get it.
>Let that sink in
You have to go back.
The correct answer has been posted many times now. It's Bloy.
Bloy - Salvation by the israelites
Bloy - The Despairing
Bloy - Disagreeable Tales
Bloy - The Woman Who Was Poor
There you go. Catholic Dostoevsky, with a little Catholic proto-Kafka and proto-Borges thrown in.
>proto-Kafka and proto-Borges
Don’t forget proto-DFW
It doesn't matter, really, because Eastern Orthodoxy is completely void of any dogma with moral or spiritual nurtitional value, and for couple hundreds years has mostly been
institution of cult of death & temporal misery so ingrained in eastern slav culture and lapdog of Tzars/Patry/Contemporary Tzars, and with few exceptions was always subservient to them.
With that said, Joyce, I guess.
bernanos?
Jorge Luis Borges
RUSSIAN.ORTHODOOKIE.IS.A.MEME
> meme author says so must be true
>NNTaleb
>meme author
oh my, you must be a very smart boy! I bet you could write some really great stuff all by yourself too that others would pay for even! Special Boy Alert!!!
>He's one of those moronic Ortholarper converts too
kys
You have to resort to ad hominems and strawman.
Is G.K Chesterton anything like him? Haven't read Chesterton, read Dostoevsky.
Not really no, completely different mood. Chesterton is very light hearted.