Who were the original first century Christians and who did they believe Jesus was?
>Jesus was Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in the form of a man
>Jesus was God and 2nd person of the Trinity
>Jesus and Father were a Duality
>Jesus was an angel that turned into a man
>Jesus was just a man, born by Joseph and Mary and adopted by God at baptism
>Jesus was just a man, born by God and Mary
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The vast majority of Christians know nothing about their religion other than "believe muh Jesus."
Jesus son of Joseph was the Messiah. "Son of God" was a title not an ontological description.
>who did they believe Jesus was?
read the bible, it will tell you who they thought He was
Michael the archangel?
Early Christians were israelites who knew He was the Messiah, who started following Him and that lead to Christianity..
The God Messiah,
The Angel Incarnated as a Man Messiah,
or The Mortal Man Messiah?
In the first century there were a few thousand of them. Almost all of them including the apostle Paul thought Jesus would return in their lifetimes. It wasn't a trendy religion yet so rich people hadn't joined, most were in the dionysus and mithras cults. There weren't many independant reports but it seems mostly believed Jesus was a demigod, half man, half god. I really don't think the convoluted trinity belief was widespread at first. Paul's holy spirit was just an energy sent by God into his followers to guide and influence and not some equal and important part of the deity.
The new testament Christians were trinitarians because it's what the new testament teaches
>the new testament teaches
Where?
Systematically through the whole gnt
Thanks. This is a really good refrence.
Wrong there were tons of disagreements on this. The catholic church decided the trinity was a thing, not the Bible. The nicene creed wouldn't be necessary if the Bible was clear on this.
Don't talk about things you don't understand.
Ironic, considering you posted an infograph showing some early popes rejected the trinity
huh?
Can trinitarians please explain why Jesus was unable to perform miracles when people doubted him?
>why Jesus was unable to perform miracles when people doubted him
Unable? Or unwilling?
>Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine
Unable.
>Jesus said to them, “Prophets are honored everywhere except in their own hometowns, among their relatives, and in their own households.” 5 He was unable to do any miracles there, except that he placed his hands on a few sick people and healed them.
I like how you had to cope before you knew the passage because you're just making up excuses anyway.
If a man says he's unable to date a woman because he's already married, is he actually unable? Or has he simply chosen to bind himself under higher principles? This is the same as the "Could God make a rock so heavy he can't lift" argument.
>This is the same as the "Could God make a rock so heavy he can't lift" argument.
No it's not. Performing miracles for doubters is not a contradiction. Nor does your former excuse apply because Jesus was able to perform miracles for doubters on other occasions. This is just undeniably him being unable.
It wasn't part of the plan. Doesn't mean he couldn't. Same his acceptance of being captured and crucified.
>O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt
why does Jesus talk so much about his Father? my Father this, my Father that. Why didn’t he just say Yahweh? Why does he say the man who “met” God” face to face” didn’t really meet God? why does he tell the Pharisees they follow the law but do not know his Father?
to say there was an orthodoxy or proto-orthodoxy is so anachronistic we shouldn’t even be discussing it anymore. early christianity was so diverse, between israelites who thought he was just a man who adhered to mosaic law, to gnostic greekoids in egypt who melded neoplatonic ideas with jesuswand explicitly rebuked the old testament, trinitarians and nontrinitarians; there really wasn’t an orthodox brigade fighting off the ebil heretics left and right. anthanasius (who they called a manlet Black person and was exiled five times) said the valentinians ate children. do you really believe that valentinians ate children?
>there really wasn’t an orthodox brigade fighting off the ebil heretics left and right.
his name was saint paul
You mean the guy who had visions when noone else was around and demanded the goyim to give him all their money?
> (Approximately two lines are missing.)... your light, give me your mercy! My Redeemer, redeem me, for I am yours; the one who has come forth from you. You are my mind; bring me forth! You are my treasure house; open for me! You are my fullness; take me to you! You are (my) repose; give me the perfect thing that cannot be grasped!
>I invoke you, the one who is and who pre-existed in the name which is exalted above every name, through Jesus Christ, the Lord of Lords, the King of the ages; give me your gifts, of which you do not repent, through the Son of Man, the Spirit, the Paraclete of truth. Give me authority when I ask you; give healing for my body when I ask you through the Evangelist, and redeem my eternal light soul and my spirit. And the First-born of the Pleroma of grace -- reveal him to my mind!
>Grant what no angel eye has seen and no archon ear (has) heard, and what has not entered into the human heart which came to be angelic and (modelled) after the image of the psychic God when it was formed in the beginning, since I have faith and hope. And place upon me your beloved, elect, and blessed greatness, the First-born, the First-begotten, and the wonderful mystery of your house; for yours is the power and the glory and the praise and the greatness for ever and ever. Amen.
>Prayer of Paul (the) Apostle.
>In Peace.
>Christ is holy.
the gnostics wrote extensively about saul oh sorry I mean paul
The Logos, the Angel of the LORD, the second person of YHWH as mentioned in the prophets. The man who Abraham saw that sent the two angels to Sodom and Gomorrah.
>original first century Christians
Even within the New Testament, some very diverse christologies are present. Try comparing Mark to John. Mark believed Jesus was the adopted son of God, John believed Jesus was some quasi-Philonian Logos bullshit. Paul seems to have believed that Jesus was a preexisting divine being.
Censored views like those of the Ebionites (Jesus was a purely human Messiah) also existed.
this, basically, and this diversity runs deep in early christianity. you are totally right anon, even within the NT there exist differing possible theologies. like in John when he says no man hath seen the Father this is a direct rebuke of Moses meeting god face to face. there are pseudo-gnostic elements in john I know it makes everyone very sad, but it’s true
Nobody knows.
The Bible is so vague and expresses ideas in such an implicit manner that any random passage can be interpreted completely differently - it's why there are thousands of sub-denominations.
I am a big proponent of reading all early christian literature, from the new testament to thomas to the didache to the shepard of hermas to the sophia of jesus christ to the gospel of mani and everything in between, it is all valuable for insight both historical and theological