Why are so many people content to divide their lifetime between working & breeding?
It's like, ok, we're born into this modern capitalist hellscape where you have to wage slave to survive. That's bad enough. Millions are barely getting by. But perhaps you find yourself lucky enough to do something that doesn't suck & pays decent. Now you have at least some ability to do the things that make life slightly more palatable, like travel, hobbies, and the like. So what do you do? Breed more slaves, the rearing of which eats up all your surplus time & money. I just don't get it.
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Don't worry about it you're never going to have children.
Yeah, but I still have to work though. Sucks.
White people have had defeatist nihilist bullshit rammed down our throats since childhood, do you ever wonder why that is.
so that we will be good workers and stay in our lane
You have the freedom to get a better job that gives you more time off and has more relaxed rules, someone with kids to feed doesn't
>Freedom to choose your wage slavery
Oh boy that's kinda like being able to choose your method of execution
>having a job is as bad as execution
Again. Grow the frick up and be a man. Why are you afraid of work?
Not everyone is poor enough to be a worker drone like you. I get it your life is hard and you wish other people had it as bad as you and pride yourself on it. Sorry but reality is never fair and nobody has an obligation to play it like you.
>projection this hard
Your parents will appreciate it if you get a job and stop living at home
>he wants to abandon his home
wtf is wrong with wagies?
>he can't afford his own home
The very definition of ngmi
>he runs from his family because... I JUST DO MMOKAY!!!???
keep making it, remember to drink your onions and have fun in the mandatory company holiday, buddy
>if you move out you're never allowed to visit your parents
God you neets are pathetic.
>have fun on the company holiday
Yes. Getting an extra paid day off to do whatever the frick i want is great. And with the money I make I can litteraly go anywhere compared to neets who will spend their entire lives hiding inside and screeching whenever the power or modem goes out.
>le travels meme
I'm happy in my place, I don't need your consoomerism, sorry. Have fun with your coworkers
>neet
>preaching about anti-consoomerism
Oh the irony. Best part about my job is I don't have to deal with co-workers or customers. Enjoy living off the basics while I can enjoy my free time and luxury items.
>luxury items
yep, consoomer, you can't tell me I'm poor and yet tell me I'm a consoomer, that's a contradiction, wagie
>free time
Yep, I have plenty of that, enjoy your little time, don't you waste it
>buying anything makes you a consoomer
Lmao. And again.
>neet preaching anti-consoomerism
Ironic
>luxury items
>"noooo, i'm not a consoomerrr reeee"
you're low IQ, huh?
I don't know about other neets but I'm not a consoomer, sorry to break it to you
>is an unironic neet
>browses Tibetan internet forum
>doesn't consoom
Delusion at its highest. Enjoy having 0 skills and dying alone and unloved.
>he wants to live with mommy and daddy his whole life
Pathetic and sad
That:
Also, we've evolved to like it and to love our families.
Imagine for a moment all your ancestors going back for hundreds of thousands of years. Imagine the plagues, the constant war, natural disasters, all that shit. 200 years ago you probably had an ancestor that dragged his broken body to the nearest rape victim, and all that shit culminated with you. Your very existence might as well be a mathematical impossiblity. But hey your job sucks, I get it.
Are you saying I'm lucky to be alive?
No, but there's a tiny possibilty that one of your descendants will be. I used to be an anti-natalist, but not anymore, it's a kind of megalomania.
>probably had an ancestor that dragged his broken body to the nearest rape victim
Are you saying his ancestors was a cripple who raped someone?
Statistically at least 50 of them
>Your very existence might as well be a mathematical impossiblity
i wish it were
>People have fought for millennia to make life incrementally better up until the modern age
>But don't question the injustices you see around you during your own time because they're not as bad as those that came before
This attitude seems more hopeless and nihilistic to me, because you're stunting the human drive to change undesirable circumstances.
What injustice?
this
past bad
i hecking love science
the past was objectively worse for everyone to live in and no amount of schizo cope about white women in wheatfields will change that
>Why are so many people content to divide their lifetime between working & breeding?
this has been human existence for more than 10.000 years. People used to work in the fields, fish and hunt for 16 hours a day, just so they can survive. The difference is they didn't have the luxury to whine about it.
Well, I guess I just don't care for the whole human existence thing very much.
Then why don't you have a nice day?
At this point, might as well just finish the game. But it's nice to have the option of turning it off.
Aka you enjoy living. I don’t play games I don’t enjoy.
well you see your brain does this really cool thing which is called "fear" and its kind of like it's way of persuading you into continuing to live
and this is why suicide is the ultimate triumph of the soul over the body and mind
to be able to win against your own instinct of survival you either need to have a mental disorder (such as depression, or some sort of trauma) or perform an incredible feat of the will
>ultimate triumph
>someone killing themselves is actually good
God antinatalists are moronic
continue reading the sentence if you will
"ultimate triumph of the soul over the body and mind"
in fact i believe it was nietzsche who called it a "freedom over the body"
I'm not an antinatalist, i cannot wait to be a father, but i recognize that i am a slave to my own survival instinct.
You do something to aid your survival (exercise, eating) you get rewarded by the brain with feel-good chemicals.
You do something bad, you get punished (pain, shitty frick-you chemicals)
that's cause you haven't been paying attention. You are like a man that is never hungry. Every time you feel a little bit of hunger, you immediately satisfy your hunger with ready-to-eat meals. You ask "what is the point of eating? I don't get it. Eating is so boring". But you fail to realize that in order to feel satisfied, you have to be hungry first. Food is boring to you because you are never hungry.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that you have to struggle in order to enjoy life. Your life is tasteless because you don't have to struggle for anything. All of your needs are satisfied. You eat the best, most tasty food. You watch entertainment and play games. You listen to great music. You can read thousands of books at any moment. You enjoy coffee whenever you feel like it. How do you expect to feel any sort of accomplishment and meaning without having to struggle? Struggling is a human need. The countries with the highest living standards are also suffering from suicide.
Start reading philosophy. And also check this out https://blogs.sch.gr/stelagi/files/2016/01/The-Sweetest-Bread-converted.pdf
This. If anything you probably are unlucky, but it's for the opposite reason that you think.
Interesting, though I don't quite agree. By and large, I thing people are still struggling. The real question is, what are we struggling for? The imaginary line to go up? To enable billionaires to compare space dicks? There's no real incentive.
People are struggling but they are not _really_ struggling. You struggle everyday at work. Why? So you can pay $1100 in rent (average usa rent in 2020). So you can buy a $1500 phone and pay $100 per month on streaming services. So you can buy $8 coffees each day.
You are struggling because you want the latest shit. The truth is, our current cost of living is hundreds of times higher than it should be. Using current technology, we should be able to grow most of our food and satisfy our basic needs without making $100k a year. The biggest reason we don't is because we look down upon such a humble life. We want to drive cool cars, even though a Lada Niva costs 10-25 thousand dollars and will last you a lifetime if you take care of it.
This is the era of the internet! You can learn _any_ skill you want. You can become an expert gardener in no time. Just download a few good books from a pirate site and get to work. Information is more available than ever.
>what are we struggling for?
Well, that's the problem you have to figure out. This question has little to do with suffering. Whether you are a peasant living in 900AD or a billionaire living in 2022, this question will haunt you. You need philosophy if you ever hope to find a reason to live. Personally, I recognize that I am going to die, so I try to live a happy, moral and full life. Committing suicide is nonsensical because I am going to die anyway. Life is an extraordinary, rare phenomenon that I wish to enjoy with all its suffering and its pleasures. Also, I am convinced that having kids is one of the most meaningful things a person can do. Can you imagine having a discussion with a person that you helped create? It's surreal.
Oh for frick sakes...most westoid post ever. Just stop buy iPhone and Starbuck and learn2code and you'll be financially independent bro
it's not about financial independence, anon. You missed the point completely. I was talking about happiness, aka eudaimonia.
I was talking about the first part of the post. The reality is most people have little free time or even a good environment to be autodidacts. I too wanted to be an artist, but just like Hitler, I have to pay the bills, and thus all my potential has been snuffed out because I can put in so little time.
Yeah, even the first part of my post was about happiness. Perhaps I didn't make that clear enough. I was trying to point out that sometimes we are struggling because of our own fault. All we have to do to be happier is to stop struggling. There's no need to work at a job you don't like just so you can afford overtly expensive crap. In other words, there's a difference between struggling for survival and struggling for an iphone, a BMW and a $1500/mo apartment. That was the point I was trying to make. I was talking about being rich or independent.
>The reality is most people have little free time or even a good environment to be autodidacts
I'd say some people have very little free time, that's true. But I would disagree with the notion that most people can't spend 1 hour per day to read a book and learn a new skill. You have no idea how much time the average person wastes on youtube alone. Never mind netflix, facebook, instagram etc. Yes, self-teaching is impossible for some people, but I wouldn't say that's the case for most people.
>I was talking about being rich or independent.
I wasn't talking about being rich or independent
typo
This post finally articules something I've been feeling for a while
What is a good author that shares this view anon? Or any other texts similar to the short story you posted
Hellenic School network?
Ok my IQfy?
Hello there fellow hellene and fellow trainer!
Hunter-gatherers on average only hunt for food three to five hours.
Right? Isn't there a gif of breakdancing m&m's that talks about this?
>People used to work in the fields, fish and hunt for 16 hours a day
That's fun, and outdoors
>People used to work in the fields, fish and hunt for 16 hours a day, just so they can survive
Shut the frick up you fricking moron
>boo hoo I have responsibilities
Be a fricking man you homosexual
>modern capitalist hellscape where you have to wage slave to survive
As opposed to...?
A post-industrial utopia with ubi & minimal grunt work? We probably could, but then no one could sit at the top of the exploitation pyramid.
>We probably could
We could probably do a lot of things. One thing you can do is get a fricking job you bum
>It's like, ok, we're born into this modern capitalist hellscape where you have to wage slave to survive. That's bad enough. Millions are barely getting by.
That's the same in communism anon in both its theoretical, and actually existing forms. As long as there is a state, you'll always be it's tool; a quantifiable number. Heil productivity! Arbeit macht frei!
Most people actually like their jobs or at least the people they work with. Even in extremely high stress careers like the military, where you're on exercise/deployment than you are at home a lot of the time, there's a very high esprit de corps where the men take pride in their share hardship.
I'm only a reservist, but going on excerise and doing stuff with my unit makes me feel so good afterward, and I can share things with my friends there I couldn't outside the military.
People say only morons and idiots join the military, but I have met so many awesome people there.
>implying they have a choice
Do you have any idea how stupid and incapable the average person is?
if and when you have a child youll understand.
all the hedonistic internet garbage is nothing compared to the primal satisfaction of holding your son.
why are all those "dumb normie wagies" more satisfied with life than the "smart but lazy" IQfy neckbeards? Because they live in ways that are actually conducive to feeling fulfilled
Imagine unironically being a dumb animal that submits to decades of wage-slavery and (in a best case scenario lol) occasionally cooming in the same aging pussy so you can breed according to bronze age Christcuck rules that are still in place (for men) because it's what women want
Modern life is only even okay if you have a chance of becoming a powerful mostache-twirling elite guy with a top hat and cane who can do as he wants, everyone else is a goodgoy loser
I'm sure procreating it has its perks. But for some reason, whenever I hear a baby cry, I always think of that scene from Hellraiser where Pinhead mocks a crying baby by crying so loudly that the mother's ears bleed.
Thanks, Pinhead.
>easy money
And this is what everything boils down to. People just too lazy to put in the work to earn their comfort.
Are you accusing Pinhead of being a slacker?
You aren't pinhead. If you were you would be the equivalent of Pinehead from Spongebob
Based to some
Cringe to others
People in the past rutted like beasts and had children by instinct, there was no Netflix and no contraception/legal abortion so what happened naturally just happened.
Also the main reason IMHO why birth rates in developed countries have collapsed is that most goyim are cooped up in schools and colleges of some kind well into their twenties, and while they're increasingly co-ed the last half century or so, the messaging on condoms and not getting (girls) pregnant has worked all too well.
Young men and women naturally want to do all the sexy stuff (including actually having kids) the most at a young age, like between around 15 and 25. Once this window closes, not just intense lust, but all the youthful emotions of desire, hope, ambition, and all of that slowly start to fade and dry up.
By the time the average man or woman is like 31 and has a decent(ish) job and thinking about "settling down," they don't want to. Men worry about stress, their retirement, being betrayed/annoyed to death etc. by a woman, women worry about what pregnancy will do to them, having to deal with crying babies in the middle of the night and all that bullshit especially now that they're older and don't sleep soundly anymore and so on.
bro you just described my life perfectly.
I have had a kid a year ago and it’s been fine. It’s not the profoundly rewarding thing it’s made out to be but it’s far from the soul crushing dull drum self-centered nihilists make out to be.
Living through salaried employment is unfulfilling and tedious, I can't stop resenting it, and would start to resent it even more if I had a wife and children and was in a position where I couldn't take a break or at least switch jobs easily.
The usual argument is that 'since you have to work, you might as well have a family while you're at it,' but realistically you will have to work much harder and more steadily if you add the burden of supporting others to the burden of supporting yourself that you already have.
Basically, I drew the short straw by not being born into property. I don't blame my parents for this, but to be honest I still don't want to work anymore than I have to and there are no realistic prospects of getting my money the easy/lazy way (for example, I refuse to engage in crime), so my bloodline ends with me.
I have worked libraries most my entire life. Stress free, mostly nice people, bad incidents from time to time but no more than anywhere else. If I had a retail job or a high stressed business job, yeah a crying baby might be the straw that broke my back. Lucky my baby super chill too and I have a large pool of women in my family who can help as well.
You gotta make the best of the world. In reality all is lost but you’re not dead yet. No reason you can’t find good moments in the hellscape.
It's not like you're going to be doing anything useful if you were given infinite free time. Get back to work or 'ol massa'll hafta bring out the whip!
>work hard
>make lots of money
>find a nice girl
>set up systems in which I can work less
>travel a lot and enjoy life while working minimally from laptop
Next step
>pump gf full of kids
>raise a family
>teach them to be good and just
>don't spoil them
>secretly set aside a lot of money for them to secure their legacy
>get gf pregnant
>gf
>not wife
Give your damn children some security and marry her first you unironic Black person
No he's right. You're a naive and idealistic moron if you think marrying a woman in any union except spiritual is practical. You can perfectly leave your kids money and resources without the government.
Just sounds like a lot of Black person cope to me
>implying it's just a government program and not a cultural imperative to declare publicly to your tribe that you're choosing this woman and making a commitment to your joined futures
Peak modernity in here
Life becomes so predictable as i age. Why should i make children so they can repeat the same? Wondering about what all this is about? The smartest people in history weren't able to come into a final conclusion, only speculations, theories, made up religions,....
I demand nothing less than the creator revealing himself personally and explains what this reality and universe is all about or the arrival of aliens that present us all the answers. If not, i will continue to drag my bones half assed through this world and won't procreate.
PS: Travel, cars,... are nice to have but won't satisfy long term. I want the final answers, i want to know what is behind the curtains of this reality.
me too, Anon but I think those who have kids are just a different caste of people, they find their answers there, we don't or maybe we are just incels
Their neo cortex is less developed than ours, i don't mean to insult them but they are close to gorillas who are also just content by sitting in the jungle, eating bananas, breeding, and caring for each other. They want to continue it just for the sake of continuation.
Sometimes I wonder if human level consciousness is more of a curse than a blessing. It's almost like being so self-aware inevitably leads to misery.
That's saying too much, I'm a moron myself
Become a hermit then
>Become a hermit then
That's basically what I am, except for work.
(Any legit work-from-home opportunities out there? Because then I'd never leave the house.)
But do you seek enlightment? The solitude thing is good but it should serve a purpose
Not really, I'm just a misanthrope.
then you're no better than those having children, are you?
Do I contradict myself? I am vast, I contain multitudes.
I feel the same way. As a species, we're kind of between a rock & a hard place - smart enough to ask the big questions, but not enough to find definitive answers to them.
Because you need to consider the societal harm refusing to work or breed causes. Your utopia is incredibly selfish and childish.
>dont breed
>all humans die out
>no more human suffering
>therefore no more harm of any kind
I dont know, seems alot less harmful than continuing a perpetually shitty system
Some people will still have kids so "all humans die out" would be an extremely long and painful process.
stop consuming israeli media in any form and get back to us in at least two years from now. no need to thank me when you do.
What's with that girl, looks demonic wtf
Yeah I searched for 'creepy kids' lol
>where you have to wage slave to survive
No you don't, you fell for memes like "muh contribution to society" and "if I don't own a very expensive car I'm a loser" and then chose that path. Daily reminder that there IS an alternative.
Yes, yes, nihilists are right, everything is shit, god is dead, everything is a meaningless social construct, yadda yadda. However.. what is the connection between things being shit and you swigging the silksoi?
The r*dditors who come here to preach this revelatory world view, why are they all such fricking pussies? They whine and cry and b***h and that's it. Why would you actually want to be one of these nihilist virtue signalling fakewoke fakeoutrage anti-natalist vegan r*dditor soibs?
You should be disgusted with the notion of cucking out and tranquilizing yourself with mindless hedonism. It is a fate worse than being a wageslave busting his ass trying to make ends meet for ungrateful wife and kids. So you escape for a while by smoking weed and fricking your fat bluehair open relationship girlfriend before watching the next capeshit slop with grubhub pizza and your furbabies nestled in your lap, but you are still a worthless excuse for a human being, that will never leave you, you will die knowing it. None of it compares to your alternate self, when his kids are 4 and 6 and his wife isn't quite a b***h yet and they take a little holiday, the fact that for a short time those 3 people were happy. They were not merely trying to drown out some nagging pain, there was none, this was their time.
Yes life is shit, but you're going to do it anyway, you're going to go out with this newfound knowledge it is shit and better prepared with a higher chance of success. Instead of timidly pacing forwards as you have been raised to do, you do it out of choice, you march forwards, and when life inevitably kicks you in the nuts you bludgeon its face in until it gets out of the way or your stubborn rebellion against the fate you have been sown summons nemesis herself to put an end to you.
le basado
...what?
>...what?
>boohoo I'm a miserable piece of shit and hate my life so everybody else should stop having kids
The ant-inatalist manifesto.
I like working and breeding. I was quite literally created for those things.
I look forward to work because it gets me away from my wife and having to think. You will understand once you grow up.
I'm fricking old, dude.
>Why do people bother with trivial shit like family?
>Don't they know that distracts from consuming their goy slop?
>I can't watch Tony Stark and friends collect the infinity stones while I'm watching my children play at the park.
Actually I was thinking more along the lines of being a scientist, explorer, philosopher, human rights leader, that sort of thing.
The universe is 13.7 billion years old, humans live for a miniscule 3 score & 10. And most spend it working jobs they hate in a system that is based on exploiting other people & destroying the environment that sustains them. And having kids for all the wrong reasons.
It's the ne plus ultra of cringe.
what would you do? play video games all day and watch tv?
See previous post.