Why did Rome hate Carthage so much anyway? The Phoenicians seemed like pretty cool guys.
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Why did Rome hate Carthage so much anyway? The Phoenicians seemed like pretty cool guys.
Salty losers, if you catch my drift
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Rome throw salt over Carthage so nothing would ever grow again
>146BC: Rome throws salt over Carthage so nothing would ever grow again
>130BC: Rome starts a colony right over old Carthage
A full 16 years of ever again.
Sure, Colonia Junonia got killed for political reasons and only restarted by Caesar in 49BC, but it's still funny to see the quick turnaround.
The salt thing is a myth.
Salting the ground was a pretty widespread symbolic ceremony, it almost certainly happened.
Of course it happened in the measure of emptying a few sacks of salts on ground in the ruins of the razed city, not actually flooding the whole general region with enough salt to ruin soil fertility (how much fricking salt would you even need for that? probably more than Rome could even produce)
Rome was getting huge and was starving, carthage owned sicily that could provide the food but the phoenician merchants demand insane prices.
I don't mean what caused the first Punic war.
What happened during the wars that made Rome so pissed they decided Carthage had to be totally destroyed rather than just conquering and ruling it like a normal city?
Hannibal singlehandedly killed like 20% of their male population
Imagine a showdown between Hannibal and Caesar.. Hannibal would likely win.
Caesar probably studied Hannibal and Scipio's careers and tactics as he became a general, he would have every advantage not just from his peak performance legions but also from 200 years of military doctrine advancements and experience to learn from.
A mediocre napoleonic era general could beat any antiquity general by virtue of having studied them all.
Caesar
>Hannibal>Pyhrrus
So Scipio Africanus is superior to Caesar?
> Imagine a showdown between Hannibal and Caesar..
Hannibal wouldn't even beat Pompey, let alone Caesar.
Hell, Hannibal wouldn't even beat Lucullus lol
IMO its hard to judge Hannibal honestly because is opponents weren't that great until Scipio Africanus
Roman warfare hadn't been explored super well until that point and the main strat was essentially the Zapp Brannigan strat
Like Varo was an absolute brainlet and Caesar is the peak of Roman generalship how can we say that Hannibal can even contend when his greatest win is against Varo and the moment he goes against a competent Roman general he folds
I'm pretty sure there was bad blood going back to the first punic war... sons who's fathers faught and died ect...
Fear. Like
said, they were mentally scarred by Hannibal marauding around Italy.
In the period following the second punic war, Carthage recovered to the point where Rome were concerned that they could challenge them again. Also due to the timing of the intervening years, a lot of the experienced military were retiring, and the newer recruits were performing badly.
Also Cato was just an cynical butthole and was probably playing on fear of Carthage to score political points, further driving the Romans into hysterics.
>What happened during the wars that made Rome so pissed they decided Carthage had to be totally destroyed rather than just conquering and ruling it like a normal city?
It was more what happened BETWEEN the wars.
The romans got pretty spooked when they noticed Carthage had fully recovered (economically) from the second punic wars in a few decades, especially since it was mostly through being a strategic roman trade partner, so they just decided to attack preventively to avoid having to fight a repeat of the second war while getting starved.
Best way the could finf was to raze the city completely, and start their own colony there to prevent another resurgence. And well, it worked.
Biological hostility between aryans and semitics
If you think about the Third Punic war happened way after the Second one, what made the Romans wait so long to finish Carthage and what motivated the entire "Carthago delenda est" when the Carthaginian were a rump state that was being slowly conquered by Numidians?
They both hated each other. Hannibal promised he would never befriend a Roman and would commit suicide before a Roman could kill him
No they didn’t
>Levels the entire city, indiscriminately slaughters civilians for days straight and then enslaves all fifty thousand survivors before literally salting the earth just to make sure.
Kinda seems like they did.
Phoenicians were considered the sneakest and least trust worthy people in existence by Roman authors like Cicero
Oh yeah nice guys, you know the
Child sacrificing, slave trading, greedy, treacherous kind of nice guys!
That's just how they do it in BC times, the Romans would know better than anyone.
romans literally did all those things, maybe not child sacrifice but definitely human sacrifice
Human sacrifice was rare with the Romans. They only did it in desperate situations, such as after the Battle of Cannae, and generally saw it as barbaric.
The Phoenician language was mutually intelligible with Biblical Hebrew
Carthage is depicted with great admiration by Virgil in the Aeneid
why is that?
>Rome destroys her hated rival of 2 centuries even after it has been reduced to a small merchant city with little remaining territory in NA
>not even a century later roman authors start complaining about how the lack of a truly formidable enemy has made the nation homosexual and vainglorious
Why were they like this?
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pasted over the album title
>>not even a century later roman authors start complaining about how the lack of a truly formidable enemy has made the nation homosexual and vainglorious
Source
I can't recall which politician but "let's not destroy Carthage because a strong enemy will keep us in check" was an argument made at the time
Child sacrifice. CARTHAGO DELENDA EST. Frick the israelites.
>Why did Rome hate Carthage so much anyway?
They were in the way.
>two rapidly expanding martial empires with different cultures, religions, and ethnicities rapidly expanding right next to eachother
Gee, I don't know why. But they only got worried when their conquests ended up overlapping in Syracuse.
>~~*Carthage*~~
>martial
homie, the only thing carthaginians were concerned about was their profits. Their first conflict with Rome was an unintended proxy war that got way out of hand. Hell, the first time they got defeated most of the city council wanted to avoid any new conflict with the romans and just focus on establishing new trade routes and getting their greedy hands on Hispania's minerals (its conquest had basically been an exclusively Barcid, not Carthaginian as a whole, project). If not for Hannibal chimping out, they would have been quite content with consolidating their new territories while Rome conquered the rest of the Mediterranean.
The ventrue wanted their authority to be respected, and the brujah were close to achieving their goals.