Why didn't china take over the world despite being way more advanced than yurop?
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Why didn't china take over the world despite being way more advanced than yurop?
that's a big ship
For you
the size estimates of those treasure ships are grossly exaggerated, as would their naval capabilities be if anything close to that size
The actual reality is that they were maybe twice or three times the size of the euroship pictured, but had far, far lower sailing characteristics.
It is like putting a picture of Roman or Greek heavies and asking the same dumbass question;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leontophoros
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic-era_warships#Larger_polyremes
the Mediterranean had loads of such over the centuries of antiquity, they were all shit,
but still far better than the Chinese treasure ships because they had the advantage of having hundreds to thousands of rowers rowing, making them actually very mobile for their size, as they could stop, start, turn at wish,
whereas the Chinese treasure ships were sail driven lardasses that could hardly move around
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>Chinese treasure ships were sail driven lardasses that could hardly move around
Chinese ships were propelled by paddle wheels. They also had rudders and ballasts. They were by far the most advanced ships in the medieval era
>Paddle wheels
Lmfao
> They were by far the most advanced
No.
Also the advanced ones were the ordinary junks and the like, tyou know, the actually sea worthy ones.
Not the massive floating woodchucks they hauled around for show
For emepror Yu.
Too bad it wouldn be capable to cross the pacific like euro ships.
The Middle Kingdom? Going out seemed gay to them. Even Hainan island, the literal tropical paradise was viewed as shit just because it’s far from the core of Middle Kingdom.
Also, late Ancient China lost control over the SE coast and kind of got it back only now.
Would probably be easily within the budget of a roller coaster or something to build a complete replica of that ship. Some billionaire needs to open a theme park composed of full-scale recreations of historical artifacts/structures.
Trees of the size used to construct ships like these no longer exist. they could reconstruct something similar, but not exact, which is why it is never done.
cathedrals and castle restoration in europe face similar difficulties. we just can't leave something alone for the hundreds of years it would take to get to the size required for reconstruction.
Because i bought your black powder and cannons and improved their design.
jews
because the bigger ship doesnt mean it is more advanced
Mongols raped them too and they decided it wasn't worth the effort.
> despite being way more advanced than yuro
They didn’t. Europeans already overshadowed chinks since the ancient time and everything happened after 14th century just cemented that
They had like 300 million dudes to govern you know how hard that is with that level of technology
Why bother taking anything when the entire world brings it's riches too your feet? The Chinese sat on the best land in the world at the time and had literally no reason too expand. that is why they established tributary states instead because quite frankly anything outside of china was a uncivilised shithole.
> uncivilised shithole.
Dumb chinks didn’t even know that the earth has spherical shape.
>mfw the chinese insisted that european cartographers put china in the centre of their maps
Depends who you're talking about. China being considered one culture is a fallacy promoted almost everywhere, it's more like a complex society with a changing hierarchy like Europe.
Generally the Han led dynasties were more isolationist and would only pick the fights they knew would win. The non-Han led dynasties were focused on maintaining power
If you look at a map of China before the Yuan dynasty you will see it was smaller. So maybe they didn't take over the world but they sure did expand
the small ship is more advanced than the big ship
the chinese ship had to hug the coast with a lot of stops in local harbours, the little ship could sail with no stops from Philippines to Peru or from Indonesia to Portugal, the last stretch of the first circumnavigation of the planet, with Elcano, after Magallan had died, was pretty much that, they sailed on that small ship all the way with no stops from Indonesia to Spain, because they were afraid of Portuguese ships in they stopped in an Indian Ocean or African fort.
China was not more advanced, Chinese people have to learn in school about Descartes or Galileo or Pascal or Newton, there was no one like them in China at that time. As early as the 1500s Europe had a big edge over the rest of the world in naval technology., sailing technology, firearms, maths, and some mechanical technologies like the printing press or clocks.
Most Chinese ships were flat bottomed so they were good for riverine and coastal transport and the occasional crossing to Indonesia or some other south / East asian port with good wind, but they could never be used regularly for ocean crossing, keeled ships existed but were the exception, not the rule, and still had worse rigging than European ones
>big monstruosity is, le good!
I can't imagine that shit crossing the pacific ocean coast to coast without making water at the first storm. European boats, specially the Spanish ones, were the results of centuries of evolution, super strong boats designed to withstand the worst meteorological conditions so typical of the Gulf of Biscay.
Steppe nomads fricking shit up in the north, geopolitical concerns in Southeast Asia, and a level of ethnocentrism that would make Euros in the Age of Colonialism blush. Why go anywhere when you're already at the center of the world and are as at least as advanced as anything you border?
>went around just collecting treasure
Cozy/10
>Chinese total fleet size: 8 super ships
>A twelfth of the size of the Portuguese
too big and slow, take too long to build after one blows up
Bigger doesn't mean more advanced. Sailing against the win requires maneuverability.
The Ming voyages were also about establish diplomatic contact with the places that had diplomatic contact with the Mongol Yuan. They were about telling people "hey we are the new China RESPECT US" they were not voyages of discovery, they specifically wanted to go to places that were already contacted precisely because they were already contacted.
Why is there a model of a chinese treasure ship and a spanish caravel in what appear to be an arab shopping center?
Sino-centrism.
Except of Tang dynasty "world's domination" in Chinesse ideology always was seen as "There are Middle Kingdom - centre of the world, which are surrounded by barbarian tributaries"
Europoors were poor so they were desperate to explore
China was always so busy trying to expand its land borders it never gave a shit about the Ocean. Steppeshits were a perennial problem for every dynasty until the Qing, Xinjiang was a natural expansion area for various reasons. Tibetans needed to be subdued to secure the interior, and there was always the prospect of expanding deeper into SE Asia like into Burma.
No dynasty had any real reason to care about oceanic stuff as anything other than prestige money wasting. Hell the general in charge of securing Taiwan for the Qing had to convince the court not to just abandon it again.
Cos POC ain't evil colonizers unlike dem wyppo lmao