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Brits are more civized. So they can
A) appreciate the relics and antiquities more
B) protect them properly
Most of the countries they took them from either didn’t exist at the time or would have been using them as toilets like the Italians did after the collapse of the Roman Empire.
Didn't one of the countries send an artifact back to Eritrea and it was subsequently destroyed due to the war there?
Yeah bro, Egyptains would totally use the Rosetta Stone as a toilet. They don't have museums or anything like that. In fact, Egypt didn't exist pre-European contact.
You jest but the Egyptians had literally been using the Rosetta Stone as a brick in a wall before the French found it.
Evidence?
>Although accounts of the Stone’s discovery in July 1799 are now rather vague, the story most generally accepted is that it was found by accident by soldiers in Napoleon’s army. They discovered the Rosetta Stone on 15 July 1799 while digging the foundations of an addition to a fort near the town of Rashid (Rosetta) in the Nile Delta. It had apparently been built into a very old wall. The officer in charge, Pierre-François Bouchard (1771–1822), realised the importance of the discovery
https://blog.britishmuseum.org/everything-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-the-rosetta-stone/
A valid source please. You're literally citing the people who stole it. Even the website admits it the story was vague and unclear. Try harder homosexual.
Cope
Lmao throwing that word around like it means something. It is you that is coping.
>the Brits said this about the Rosetta stone, so they must be right! Trust me!
Not him but you are plain wrong, There were 0 records of the Rosetta stone among the Egyptians, their scholarship was centered around madrasses memorizing the quran, the islamic legal code and the military, they had virtually no interest in archaeology unless it was mentioned in religious texts, in which case they would start tampering with it and building over it. Either it lay in their lands for centuries undiscovered or it was ignored.
Then, within months of the French arrival, experts from the art institute discovered it. Sure, le colonialismarino is le bad, but it is a fact that Egypt didn't give a shit about its pagan artifacts and the Rosetta stone was in danger had it been left in Egypt.
I am a Zahi Hawas fan, but until Egypt's political turbulence is over it is bad idea to return it.
>There were 0 records of the Rosetta stone among the Egyptians, their scholarship was centered around madrasses memorizing the quran, the islamic legal code and the military, they had virtually no interest in archaeology unless it was mentioned in religious texts, in which case they would start tampering with it and building over it. Either it lay in their lands for centuries undiscovered or it was ignored
What does this have to do with stealing artifacts? The locals ignoring their history and a foreigner discovering doesn't justify plunder.
>but until Egypt's political turbulence is over it is bad idea to return it.
Egypt is stable enough to maintain artifacts. Egypt isn't Syria or Afghanistan.
egyptians literally pillaged their pyramids inside and out, what the frick is this moronic twitterthread.
Evidence?
the fact they have been fricking pillaged, and egyptians were selling shit like mummies en-masse for fricking years you moronic contrarian c**t.
>the fact
There are no facts. Just a dumb homosexual living in his moms basement shit posting.
>Gets into war with Slavland
>London nuked
>All artifacts destroyed
Brits are subhuman swamp people
Yikes, did a bong frick your girl or something?
When the Taliban took the territory with the Bamiyan Buddhas they blew them up. ISIL routinely destroys priceless monuments and art they consider blasphemous (and there's a lot of that). 3rd world countries like Greece and Egypt can't be counted on to properly preserve their national treasures, so we do it for them :^)
>When the Taliban took the territory with the Bamiyan Buddhas they blew them up.
That was because a bunch of Swedes wanted to spend a lot of money to compare and polish them then take pictures of them, the Taliban said they're a literal third world country and children are starving, they can come and do that but only if they make some sort of humanitarian donation, the Swedes refused, so the Taliban blew the Buddhists up.
Honestly, it's funny, the Buddhists don't give a shit the statue was blown up, it goes against most of the major branches' teachings anyway, but Western shitlibs cry rivers over it.
Yes yes and the point is they can't be trusted to preserve them, whatever their reasoning may be, be it religion or hating Sweden (they suck btw)
>westerners display a literal comic book villain tier level of idolatry and misanthropy
>talichads try to get them to add a sprinkle of philanthropy to their decadent and elitest ways
>they refuse, the mere idea of caring about living human beings instead of statues offending them
>blow up the statue
honestly im with the taliban on this one
humans are temporary. the statues can last forever if you don't blow them up.
when child poverty is eliminated we can have statues
then we will never have statues or more importantly we will never go into space because that is when this stupid argument is most often employed.
You're acting like they blew up the statues the second they came into possession of them, that simply isn't the case. They would have left the statues alone had the westerners not shown a disregard for human life.
It's like if there was a hurricane in America and people wanted to come and polish statues, it's just ridiculously cruel and tone deaf.
I don't want those statues destroyed, but equally I understand and respect the message, and honestly the hollowed out caves where they once stood is a more powerful symbol than before.
Swedes wanted to look at some statues, Taliban tried to extort them, Swedes weren't having it so Taliban blows up their own country's heritage to own le west.
There's nothing cruel about it, the Taliban just tried to morally grandstand for gibs.
cry about it
See
>uhm no immediate reward gibs?
>guess its time to ape out, who cares if I can make more money in the long run if I preserve the statues?
>ayo why is my country still a shithole, this is all your fault you fricking westoids
>It's like if there was a hurricane in America and people wanted to come and polish statues, it's just ridiculously cruel and tone deaf.
I'd totally attempt to rescue artwork from New Orleans during katrina first. Humans are temporary, objects are forever.
kys shitskin
Why do you think psychopathy exists? Its because sometimes taking actions you personally find reprehensible is necessary so you need people who don't give a shit. Your "powerful" message comes at the expense of genuine cultural artifacts from a long dead empire which can never be replaced because it no longer exists. Art is not about "message", it is an expression of a living, breathing, culture which lasts through the ages instead of perishing when their last breath is draw. While some people can die today when you destroy those statues you are extinguishing an entire people speaking to us through ages. These statues survived Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, the Durrani kingdom who tried to genocide Sikhs twice for their idolatry, three British invasions, and the Communists who incidentally if they were the same as in China would have probably blown it up too, all to end up being blown up by a bunch of "students" who were pissed off that their extortion racket for Swedes didn't work out.
>Art is not about "message"
Art survives long beyond when the even mere capacity to understand the message is lost.
this guy is the type to say NASA should never have happened
That's funny because they asked the UN to help with a water damage issue a year before. It's the frickin Taliban they're as inconstant as a woman. Making it sound like we fricked up when hardliners in the org wanted it gone for religious reasons is just a bit o bantz m8
What is this dune coon cope? If those inbreds were shrewd they'd use the tourism to funnel wealth into the country and fix the hunger and water issues. You're acting like someone put a gun to their head and forced them to pick barbarism. All they did was ape out and destroy their own opportunities, and guess what - that place is still destitute after.
When you're struggling to provide basic services (and i doubt they even really cared about that) it's hard to set up the conditions to appeal to tourists in a large enough number to make a difference
>Come to beautiful Afghanistan: where you can't drink the water, and it's not out of the realm of possibilities that you will be kidnaped! Did I mention we have to put "roads" in quotes?
Sounds great where do I sign up
Man must be terrible for their future prospects considering GDP = tourism
At least some tourists is better than nothing, even the archaeologists just being there would have stimulated the economy somewhat.
>3rd world countries like Greece and Egypt can't be counted on to properly preserve their national treasures, so we do it for them :^)
Britain can't be counted on to preserve anything.
Saladin's son actually did try to move/demolish the pyramids but he gave up so now there is just one with a giant gash in it.
that pyramid better chill or it's gonna catch this dick
Its actually true that if the pyramids were left to the ayrabs they wouldnt exist anymore, its european groups that maintain them still.
Voila.
>european groups that maintain them still.
Evidence that Europeans are maintaining the Pyramids?
>the pyramids were left to the ayrabs
The Pyramids existed for 1400 years under Arab rule and counting.
>B-but the damage!
The Roman. Empire destroyed more of Egyptians artificacts than 1400 years of Arab rule. Pretending Europeans haven't wrecked countless artifacts and treasures in India, China, the New World and focusing on a debt in one pyramid is the peak of historical homosexualry.
Finders keepers. Brits are the ones who financed, excavated and found all the relics. The natives did not give a single crap about them. Anglos are the ones perserving history.
If it weren't for them the pyramids would be completely decayed and pillaged.
Imo it's the duty of every western nation to protect history.
The US should have capitalised on the Iraq war to completely plunder anything of archaeological value and then built a really, really sick museum in America.
>brown people live around all these ancient wonders for millennia
>did nothing with them, know nothing about them
>white people arrive to rule their shitholes
>decipher their writing systems uncover completely forgotten history of many places
I'm not even being ironic here. Even today, Turkish archaeologists haven't surveyed the area around these 2 megalithic ruins they have there that some people salivate over, they're purely office workers/academics. The actual people doing excavations there are usually Germans and it appears there's more to be found but you have to leave your nice office in some university in Ankara and travel around the place.
this article:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/does-an-unknown-extraordinarily-ancient-civilisation-lie-buried-under-eastern-turkey-
Mentions that as the journalist was preparing the material some villagers came around and said that he thinks one of the barns or whathaveyou in his home village is probably partially built out of material from sites like these and he has to contact German archeologist and British journalist to get it, the motherfricking local archaeologists don't even bother.
Thirdie semi-failed states can't be trusted with control of humanity's collective cultural relics. It is the duty of Western states to protect them.
Amazing how snake tounged these muzzies can be. This shitskin almost had me for a minute
>Britain funds archaeological digs
>Britain finds a whole host of artefacts
>Britain keeps these artefacts that they both found and paid for finding
>this is somehow stealing
>Britain purchases artefacts with permission of the relevant authority at the time
>this is somehow stealing
practically nothing in the british museum is stolen
dig shite up yourselves if you want it
even the benin bronzes were taken fairly
>british merchants attempt to trade with the oba of benin
>they get ambushed and massacred for no reason
>britain retaliates and sacks benin
>britain takes the bronzes
>practically nothing in the british museum is stolen
>dig shite up yourselves if you want it
Did you get permission to dig anything up? So if you invade your home and "dig something up" is it now mine?
>Did you get permission to dig anything up?
yes they got permission
>yes they got permission
Britain invaded and occupied Egypt in 1882. This is the opposite of permission.
Egypt was a protectorate when most of the excavations were taking place. They had permission from the Sultan
Besides it’s not like Egyptian museums are completely bare of artefacts
It’s good to have artefacts from different cultures all around the world as more people can see them, yank museums are full of european stuff
>Egypt was a protectorate when most of the excavations were taking place.
Could the Egyptians reject Britain from excavating? No.
>They had permission from the Sultan
He was a puppet that Egyptians sought to overthow. The whole purpose for the British invasion of Egypt in 1882 was to suppress the revolution and preserve the monarchy. It's astounding the mental gymnastics you make to trry to frame the relationship between Egypt and Britain as somehow equal. Britain made the demands, and Egyptians complied whether they liked it or not. The artifacts were taken by violence (stolen)
>Could the Egyptians reject Britain from excavating? No.
yes, archaeologists weren’t some powerful lobby lmao
The Sultans were happy to get some monetary compensation
>archaeologists weren’t some powerful lobby lmao
I didn't say that. They came on behalf of the British Empire because they could. What Egyptians thought was irrelevant.
>The Sultans were happy to get some monetary compensation
You're making up random shit right now.
had the egyptians dug it they would have sold it
Had I fricker your mom you'd be my son. Is this the best you got?
they sold everything they found themselves up until the last 70 or so years, there’s plenty of evidence for this
besides it’s good to have these kinds of things spread out over different museums
you don’t see english people crying about vast amounts of our history being in american and european museums
egyptian museums are still full
>they sold everything they found themselves up until the last 70 or so years
Are you talking about private citizens plundering artifacts, or the state selling them to museums?
>there’s plenty of evidence for this
And you're going to provide it.
>you don’t see english people crying about vast amounts of our history being in american and european museums
Was it plundered/taken by force? Did the British went their artifacts back and get rejected?
https://www.antiquitiesonline.co.uk/en-GB/collecting-egyptian-antiquities---a-long-and-honourable-tradition/page_302
egyptians have been flogging shite for centuries
can’t blame them, good money if you are first poor
Please provide a valid source. You know this is biased.
>the Brits didn't steal anything I promise! It says it right here on their website!
Do bongs really?
bongs are garbage collectors of the world's junk
why does the british museum get so much shit for this when it’s the same for practically every european and american museum?
I actually work as a registrar at a museum.
Basically the guy who does all the paperwork and documentation.
We do regularly repatriate items back to their country of origin if requested, but certain conditions have to be met
9 times out of 10 these conditions aren’t met as they either won’t be looked after properly or there’s a good chance they will just be sold
>but certain conditions have to be met
What are they?
We ask for facility reports, basically a full list of where they will be stored and the environmental conditions. We also check if they have the funds to pay for important conservation work.
We also need to see all their policies and procedures, basically to ensure there’s no chance they will be sold.
This is all fine in most cases, but a lot of the time it’s the funding issue.
That and a lot of these places, particularly african nations have a bad track record of selling shit a few years down the line to get more funding.
The Parthenon marbles actually do fit all the criteria for being repatriated, the trouble is it’s such a media shitshow around them that if they can’t be returned without causing a massive headache for everything else.
nice pic of junk, thanks
I can’t really post much good stuff without doxxing myself can i seeing as our collection has an online catalogue
Nice rocks
Awesome tupperware collection
that’s how archaeologists deliver their finds
i have, but not any of the very old ones
What was the oldest one you came in contact with?
Got a chance to see the conservation lab with the sutton hoo finds some years ago
didn’t get to touch anything though
we often do these knowledges exchange excursions between museums
What is the most interesting thing you came across?
I got to hold a writ by William the Conqueror once, thought that was pretty awesome.
Again this wasn’t part of our collection, we have some pretty cool stuff in ours but I can’t really mention that here without giving away where I work
Is there much stuff kept in storage because it's not really suitable for display etc?
yeah about 95% is in storage at any given time
it’s all available for researchers though
it’s more lack of display space than anything else
Ever been around any of the older 'A History of the World in 100 Objects' objects?
Because it's the only way to keep muslims from destroying things that aren't Islamic.
Tell you what Gyptoids.
Britain can swap you the stolen artefacts for the 1 stolen canal.