Why does nobody talk about this utter humiliation of the West?
>Invade and Gang-rape a collapsing country already engulfed in one of the bloodiest civil wars in history and still loose
A SHAMEFUL DISPLAY
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>invade
The Allies did absolutely frick-all to support the Whites outside of a small quantity of British equipment delivered to the Northern and Southern fronts. To call the intervention an "invasion" is ludicrous considering how there was never any significant fighting between interventionists and the Red Army, and the interventionists left by negotiation and agreement with the Reds in every instance. The main thing the intervention achieved was to secure Entente war material that had been delivered to the Russian Empire and was stuck rotting in Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok and find some place to put it. Not to mention that Japan actively hampered the development of a strong White government in Siberia by funding and supplying bandit-atamans like Semyonov who clashed constantly with the "proper" White military dictatorship, while Britain and France also pursued their interests in the breakaway nations in the Caucuses and Baltics and in Poland and Finland, whose aims were at odds with "Russia indivisible" Whites.
In short, you're a wikipedia homosexual who takes everything at face value and has learnt nothing useful before releasing embarrassing opinions onto the internet
Oh yeah this doesn't look like an invasion at all!
>anon points out you're a dumb wikiposting homosexual
>keep wikiposting
>sending hundreds of thousands of troops against someone is not an invasion because... it just isn't, ok?!!?!?
I guess the US has been invading Germany every year since 1945, since there are tens of thousands of American soldiers who live in bases there. Better watch out, one of these days they'll reach Berlin!
>I guess the US has been invading Germany every year since 1945
The US has been occupying Germany and Japan since 1945, yes.
Are the tens of thousands of soldiers attacking the German population? If so, then it's literally an invasion.
as I said, they (US, France, UK etc.) came to Russia to stand around the ports in Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok and guard equipment their own government sent to the Tsar. The Japanese undermined the White army at every available opportunity. The Czechs were trapped there and spent the entire time trying to get back to Czechoslovakia, either west through central Russia (either by agreement with the Reds or fighting against a victorious Kaiser) or east through Vladivostok and then by sea.
Refute me with a source other than wikipedia if you don't want me to think you're absolutely pathetic.
Here. There are book sources in the description
Based high schooler
Which of those authors suggests that any of the Entente countries put forward any serious effort to help the Whites conquer Moscow? Did they, perhaps, just sit around on the periphery waiting to see what would happen, like I've said from the beginning?
There were some interesting diplomatic developments between the Whites and the Entente governments but they never got recognition as the legitimate government of Russia, which was a precondition for them to receive any actual serious support from the Entente as a true military ally
I don't care for poking around your favorite youtuber's cavern when apparently you yourself didn't bother doing it, I'm just mocking your reflex to switch immediately from wikipedia to youtube when asked to give something other than the former; it brings back memories
Because I'm not about to go read a hundred books just to satisfy some Black person like you who could do it himself
>Because I'm not about to go read a hundred books just to satisfy some Black person like you who could do it himself
Here's another sane maxim you could apply with incredible simplicity: You don't need to talk about subjects you didn't read about just as much as you don't need to read about said subjects. Both objectives should be set to the same priority level in your mind.
Welcome to 2022, soon to be 23, moronic Western boomer, In this day and age people don't have the time to read a book they can just ask someone who already did!
I'm not a boomer stupid zoomer, and the only timeless thing you're showcasing here is moronness. No matter the medium, the problem inherent in redirecting others towards something/someone else remains the same: It gives you the choice between summarizing the ressource yourself, agreeing on the summary, and THEN having a discussion on it, OR checking it and after that never being sure about if your interlocutor understood it or if he're referring to the same part as you.
Why would anyone bother doing that when you can just present your argument with a concise illustration and not a block where maybe, possibly, supposedly it will get clarified?
These are what we in the business refer to as "sensationalist headlines" or "clickbait", because things like "The EPIC SECRET WAR YOU NEVER HEARD ABOUT" sounds way more interesting than the more accurate title of "some guys stood around and helped maintain railroad infrastructure for like a year"
>some guys stood around and helped maintain railroad infrastructure for like a year
And this is what we in the business refer to as "playing it down to prove an argument".
Also a year is already 1/3rd of the war and for that year they fought battles, engaged in skirmishes and raiding and occupying of enemy cities and all the other fun stuff you do when you're at fricking war
>Also a year is already 1/3rd of the war and for that year they fought battles, engaged in skirmishes and raiding and occupying of enemy cities and all the other fun stuff you do when you're at fricking war
Still does not sound incredible at all.
>Albert Kahn
He certainly knows a thing or two about soviets. One of the many examples of how unfriendly America was to that state...
>60 thousand troops
>For a country the size of the Russian Empire
>No physical evidence for Russian civil war.
gemerald
The number of Western troops sent there were a pittance.
And that is frick all, you fricking turd. From your own shitty wiki article. The west was basically sitting on the sidelines and send tiny forces to secure war material. Now frick off from this board forever.
>Only half a million Russians fighting the Red Army while the rest are all foreigners including tens of thousands of Brits, French, Americans, Japs, even the recently buttblasted GAYrmans sent half a million alone and ONE MILLION Poles
So you're telling me everyone on this planet worth a spit invading Russia right after World War 1 is a minor event?
>Giant land empire is invaded by neighbours, rebels and foreign adventurers during period of weakness
Who would have guessed?
But Denkin and the poles could could have won if Puldolski had also cooperatedly attacked
If Makhno wasn't a moron
Wrangel was the best white leader
>take command at the very end
>main achievement is successfully leaving Crimea for Constantinople
Kornilov was obviously the best guy they had and him getting killed so early did not help the cause
He got shot,sure, best leader if he lived but if so imagine denikin being out of action and wrangel somehow getting command
very sad that you have to go back a century looking for examples of Russia winning against the West, OP. And even then it was mostly fighting itself.
I'm pretty sure most people consider Germany to be part of the "West" and the Russians+friends did ok against them in the 1940s
Germany considered itself middle europe
I don't totally buy Ernst Junger's theories but his argument that the Bolsheviks represented a Scythian "essence" to the Russian nation is kinda compelling tbh.
sounds pretty hectic
> loose
The word is lose Charlie Chan.
Anglosaxons are masters of propaganda and lying, they sre cappable of depicting their defeats as victories. Such a subversive race.