Why is colonizing the Americas le bad settler fascist imperialism

But colonizing Hokkaido, Ryukyu and Siberia is fine and dandy and let's not just talk about it?
Historically speaking, why are western European colonial settlements seem as morally worse than non-western European ones?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Leftoids are racist and don’t care when nonwhites colonize and settle, only when whites do it it’s bad

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Lots of people think those were bad too. But most Western leftists are, ironically, fairly Eurocentric and don't know much about non-Western atrocities.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Non ironically racism
      Anti-colonization is codeword for anti Hispanic

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Quite simply because every single human being in the west is aware of the colonization of the Americas while the average westerner doesn't even know that the Ainu or native siberians exist. If that weren't the case then yeah you'd probably see more people shitting on those events as well.

        Anglos get shat on for colonialism far more often than Spain, Pedro.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No one even know the names of anglo colonists
          Meanwhile Columbus, Cortez and other Spaniards are the most slandered people in history and get their statues burned every month or so

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Columbus was Italian.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Wake the frick up Pedro, the no one outside of the spanish-speaking world and its diaspora know or care about Cortez, on the other hand people from the United States to China and everything in between do however believe that the British were satan incarnate for supposedly killing a gorillion indians and ruining the supposed literal paradise on Earth that was Africa and the Middle East before the anglos came.
            Also Colombus wasn't a spaniard.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >slandered
            its not slander if its true
            bet you are a Hispanic cuck

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Anglos get shat on for colonialism far more often than Spain, Pedro.
          Probably because you dragged racial tensions onwards by another few centuries because you're such a soulless and Godless people. Most Latin American countries abolished slavery and caste systems early on.

          Of course you get shat on moron, you only let Black folk have equal rights 60 years ago.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        New niche ethnic neuroses dropped.
        Hispanic edition.
        Well technically sub neuroses because the overarching Hispanic neuroses is not having any clear identity to base yourself on, just mix.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >not having any clear identity to base yourself on, just mix.
          It was catholicism until yanks correctly identified it was the only thing keeping those shitholes united and made sure to diminish it's influence.
          Arielism, vasoncelism, bolivarism and other turboautistic hispanic movements of the first half of the XIX century were just massive copes from intelectuals that hadn't yet realized that there is absolutely no way to claim an identity that does not exist in the first place.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This is the actual answer. What a lot of people on IQfy (and /misc/) fail to realize is that very online left wing people are SHOCKINGLY uneducated about ANYTHING outside of Anglosphere history - they've internalized a "heroes and villains" worldview of history where Europe is the villain and every other culture on the planet is lumped together into a monolithic POC hero class. They're not upset about the colonization of Hokkaido because they don't even know what that is.

  3. 2 years ago
    ig.eugenociderr

    basically engloidspeak are terminal(value0) gene coagulated dumb gigas and it gets magnified until ignorance distortion correction understanding

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Non-european colonialism is inclusive, european colonialism is exclusive and oppressive.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because europeans are masochistic nutjobs

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    99% of original inhabitants of the Americas were killed
    this didn't happen in Siberia
    almost no one has ever heard of colonization of Hokkaido or Ryukyu

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >99% of original inhabitants of the Americas were killed
      Impossible, the most densely populated parts of pre-Columbian America were Mesoamerica and the Andes, and those regions still have lots of Indians (as well as "Mestizos" who are 90% Indian).

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, but 90% to 95% still died within a century of initial contact

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >20 GORILLION INDIGENOUS PEOPLE DIED IN MEXICO!
          >Sources? This schizophrenic priest that didn't even attempt to learn the local languages and was bashed by every other missionary, even the ones actively denouncing the encomienda. And also PhD Stan Goldberg of Texas institute of indigenous studies. Why do you ask?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            20 million is a pretty reasonable, middle of the road estimate. There are specific single valleys in Mexico that had hundreds of different population centers,, and cities having 10,000 to 20,000 denizens was pretty common for your typical medium to large city-state. There's something like 4000 to 6000 known Maya sites, and that's JUST for the Maya, not Aztec, Zapotec, Mixtec, Purepecha, Totonac, Huastec, and so on.

            Even if you wanna low ball things, I'd say at least Mesoamerica had 12-15 million people, and that'd still be like 70-80% instead of a 90% population collapse.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >20 GORILLION INDIGENOUS PEOPLE DIED IN MEXICO!
            >Sources? This schizophrenic priest that didn't even attempt to learn the local languages and was bashed by every other missionary, even the ones actively denouncing the encomienda. And also PhD Stan Goldberg of Texas institute of indigenous studies. Why do you ask?

            Maya sites, since the zoomed out map there doesn't really show any. In fairness this also includes Preclassic and Classic period sites, not just the Late Postclassic ones that would have been active at the time of Spanish contact, though.

            Sadly I don't have anything for Western Mexico.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Explain Hispanics then, illiterate homosexual

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Because Germanics are, plain and simple, one of the most uncivilized races on Earth. They're the descendants of the barbarians who only knew how to pillage, kill and plunder around Rome. It didn't just happen in the Americas. What we know as Portuguese and Spanish come from Visigoth barbarians who colonized the Iberian peninsula. Anglo-Saxons are Germanic as well, they colonized the island and almost wiped out the Welsh. Anglo-Saxons tried to colonize Ireland as well. What the Anglos did during the Great Irish Famine is pretty fricking revolting.

    Can you name ONE thing as vulgar as giving whole empires lots of opium so their entire civilization would collapse?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Whoops pic was for my reply to

      Explain Hispanics then, illiterate homosexual

      and

      99% of original inhabitants of the Americas were killed
      this didn't happen in Siberia
      almost no one has ever heard of colonization of Hokkaido or Ryukyu

      Amazon rainforest had 10 million people by current estimates. We've been able to find their large ancient cities and settlements in the jungle with drones equipped with radars. It's where the legend of El Dorado comes from.
      Amerindians are only 0.5% of Brazil's population. Barely a hundred thousand left. All the browns come from Africans.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >GOOORMANS
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      The most cancerous meme to ever exist on IQfy

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Meme? I'm serious. They are not only barbaric but also responsible for horrible shit like Protestantism, the two World Wars, the Industrial Revolution and its consequences.
        I know a lot of /misc/tards here think "brown people died, who cares" but look at how Anglos treated the Irish, which are also European whites.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      you're forgeting mongols/turkoids they wiped out the native central asians (sakans , tocharians , sogdians) brutally and killed millions of people in china , central asia and the middle east , the only thing mongoloids and turkoids knew was rape and pillaging.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >and almost wiped out the Welsh
      Lol that didn't happen.
      In any case the Anglo-Saxons were descended from the Roman age Britons too.

      >Anglo-Saxons tried to colonize Ireland as well.
      No they didn't. The Normans led the invasion of Ireland.

      >What the Anglos did during the Great Irish Famine is pretty fricking revolting.
      Why didn't they just fish?

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >But colonizing Hokkaido, Ryukyu and Siberia is fine and dandy and let's not just talk about it?
    homie that's your shitty strawman.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Polgays love strawman.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    those are terrible cases of "not talking about it" OP
    a far better example is China outside of Tibet/Xinjiang/maybe Inner Mongolia. there's little discussion of the fact the Southern half of the country was colonized and the Southwestern portion in the past several centuries.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >map
    What, no South Africa colonization?

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Whites do something
    >EVIL EVIL EVIL
    >non-Whites do same thing
    >......
    We know who runs the media
    we know who writes the books
    we know who censors the media
    we know who censors the books
    Westerners should do some spring of '39 cleaning.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Russians, apparently. Or why does the evil antisemitic Russian empire get a free pass for Siberia?

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    also the destruction of central asian european peoples, but i guess that's heckin okay and based

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >central asian
      >European

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Marxist agitators and KGB fifth column in the humanities.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Anti-colonists and indigenous rights activists do speak up on behalf of the Ainu and Ryukyuans. Its just these were much, much smaller and more localised events than the European colonisation of the Americas. The Chinese colonisation of Tibet and Xinjiang in recent times have gotten a fair amount of negative attention though.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is it really wrong to think the colonization of the Americas is worse? A shit ton of the natives died as a result of it and even the ones who survived usually had their cultures/religions/traditions stamped out of them as much as possible

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Literally every country but Uruguay, Canada and the US is 90% people of indigenous descent. What percentage of Hokkaidans are Ainu?
      How many areas of Russia where non-russians were a majority 400 years ago have even 10% or their people with native ancestry?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >s 90% people of indigenous descent. What percentage of Hokkaidans are Ainu?

        I'm sure that if you're defining "descent" as loosely as you are for amerindians to where they make "90%" of the country, then you'd see similar figures for hokkaido

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Mestizos are literally all of indigenous descent.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, and everybody is technically of african descent, that doesn't make it a meaningful point if the ancestry is dilluted and there's minimal cultural or identity ties.

            Obviously it's not that simple and as I noted in

            Nah, there's a decent amount of people who have upwards of 80% native ancestry in some countrties like Guatemala and Peru and such, and the average mixed person has like 50% in some countries like Mexico, but that anon is still vastly overestimating things.

            it's not that simple, but you're also overstating things.

            How many people in Japan have at least some Ainu ancestry?

            >In Peru/Incan empire, their books were all burned.
            Incas had no written records. It was all oral.

            Quipu exist, anon. And apparently could record qualitative information and not just numbers: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23931972-600-we-thought-the-incas-couldnt-write-these-knots-change-everything/

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        If by indigenous descent you mean 5% ancestry or more then yeah I guess. But by no means are any south american countries beyond a few in central america and peru-bolivia really native american, most are mixed.
        Pretty sure costa rica is pretty (at least on the books) white, and I've heard unreliable things about paraguay having sectors of guarani speaking whites (I wish to see if that's true)

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, there's a decent amount of people who have upwards of 80% native ancestry in some countrties like Guatemala and Peru and such, and the average mixed person has like 50% in some countries like Mexico, but that anon is still vastly overestimating things.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Canada, the US, Brazil (top 3 biggest in area, top 2 biggest in pop. size), and Uruguay, Argentina, Haiti, Jamaica, probably more smaller ones.
        Also if moor/turk rapebabies aren't white then yuro rapebabies aren't indigenous.

        >Ryukyu still has a big independence movement
        Lol, no. 95% of them have been brainwashed to identify as Japanese and speak Japanese.

        The descendants of Amerindians in Latin America don't know shit about their own culture either except in a few places like Paraguay and Mexico. Most who knew their oral tradition died or converted, and their settlements, from villages to empires, were pillaged. In Peru/Incan empire, their books were all burned.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The average Brazilian is 15% indigenous by autosomal DNA and 30% by mtDNA
          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilians#Genetic_studies
          The numbers are even higher in other Latin American countries. Yes including "white Latinos"

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Even white Argentina has more indigenous mtdna than European.
            The pattern holds for the entire continent. Overwhelmingly European yDNA, large percentage or majority of non-European ancestry by mtDNA (indigenous and/or African depending on country) and dominant European ancestry by autosomal DNA, which is consistent with the region's historical formation, i.e. waves and waves of mostly male Europeans arriving and having sex first with native and then mixed populations.
            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentines#Ethnic_Groups

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >In Peru/Incan empire, their books were all burned.
          Incas had no written records. It was all oral.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Japan had edgy new left types LARP as Ainu and use it as an excuse for terrorism, Ryukyu still has a big independence movement (and a big "military bases out" movement it overlaps with), it's very much part of the new left critique of the Japanese state.
    And the treatment of native Siberians is generally viewed as akin to that of native Americans in an international context, no?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Ryukyu still has a big independence movement
      Lol, no. 95% of them have been brainwashed to identify as Japanese and speak Japanese.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Having to deal with the cancer known as american culture will do that to you.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The entire Japanese archipelago was settled by everyone. The Yayois dominated the archipelago the most. The Meijis invented the country, ethnicity and language.

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    American SJWs or Western Euro SJWs only care about their own society, so naturally they focus on that

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    SteppeBlack folk had it coming and the spaniards are the turks of christianisn they only know how to destroy and fight wars

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    success breeds jealousy

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