Why isn't "free will doesn't exist" a more mainstream belief? Sure, you sometimes see people online etc mention it, especially on forums like this, but even among them few people seem to truly have integrated the implications of such a belief in their worldview. And I've never heard anyone in real life talk about this kind of stuff.
Maybe you'll say that humans are hard-wired to consider their own minds free, but I'd say that we're also hard wired to be religious or at least spiritual because almost all societies throughout history were to some extent, and yet these days atheism has reached a far, far higher level of mainstream than the negation of free will, despite it arguably being even easier to rationally defend the latter. Why?
Not enough scientific evidence.
Like I mentioned with my religion example, there aren't any hard evidence for or against the existence of God either, but that hasn't stopped people from forming an opinion on the topic. And I'd say there is even more pointing toward free will not existing than God not existing.
free will isn't even compatible with science's version of indeterminism.
indeterminism in science is simply replacing determinism with probability but the relation between cause and effect has to abide by laws of probability and there is still cause and effect.
for example: cause=op saw an erect penis, effect= op has a 23% chance of sucking the penis and 76% chance of riding it and 1% chance of doing nothing. op can't choose or simply change those probabilities with will.
What makes that assumption more valid than any other?
you are appealing to science, i am pointing out how nothing in science is compatible with free will.
also that's how human behavior is studied
Regardless of whether it's true or not, why would anyone want to believe they dont have free will? What would it change anyways?
Because hardly anyone knows what "freewill" is.
Free will doesn't exist. Everything that make us us, came from something else.
Free will is a necessary illusion. It doesn't exist but we he believe in it, for determinsm is associated with depression (e.g. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886921003676). Also, the very concept of morality, and the responsibilities, rights, and punishments associated with it, is founded on free will, and without it, moral codes, ethics, society itself falls apart, for after all, we are nothing but meat automatons operating on pre-programmed instinct.
I'm a fatalist so I believe everything is determined. Free will is an illusion but it isn't a concept created by man, it is imparted by nature to all intelligent life.
Free will is popular doctrine for Christianity invented by Augistine
Because people want to believe they're special, important, etc.
you're just early. they will roll out that "belief" in goyslop culture soon enough
It is a mainstream belief and its wrong because it denies human agency to create. If determinism were true, nothing creative would have come out since forever, and there wouldn't be any raison d'etre for life. Life would be pointless because there is nothing that won't eventually be made and doing anything while you're living would be pointless because everything is already planned out for you. So making anything "unique" or "creative" would be a waste of time.
Something being "creative" isn't really a fundamental aspect of reality.
free will obviously doesn't exist, but it's a useful fiction that the criminal justice system depends on.
not that the criminal justice system has any choice in the matter, because no one has any choice about anything at all
I don't believe in freewill. But this is not usefull in day to day. Freewill for me is more like a mental tool to help make "predetermined" decisions.
free will is a myth. religion is a joke. we are all pawns, controlled by something greater. memes. the DNA of the soul.
Free will exists, not because of god but simply because, just like time or the universe.
>DOOD THINGS HAVE CAUSES, RANDOM DOESN'T EXIST
If a brick flew through your room right now and hit you in the head very fast, killing you instantly? Would it be random? No, but for all intents and purposes yes.
This type of gay AkShUaLlY shit doesn't matter and is only talked about because some types of people need to jerk off to their own perceived intellect. Specifically the midwit strivers and insecure intellectualoid kinds.
Because people don't want to admit life is basically cause and effect since you were born. It's more prevalent in people who succeeded in life because they want to tell themselves the yare better tha nyo ufor winning at life when it was never their choice to make. Nobody wants to be born to poor parents or during a recession or in a third world country. They will tell you, they got to where they were through hardwork and brains. Despite getting an unlimited amount of chances at life that you were locked out from. To the people who win life they had just as much opportunity as people who wind up homeless. It's survivorship bias. To hardline free will believers having your dad own an Emerald mine or having your dad work in an Emerald mine at an exploitative wage. Doesn't make a difference. The latter could have just made better choices. In their minds people who are down on their luck deserve it because they are lazy and just couldn't work hard like them. Sure this is true to an extant working hard can get you ahead in life. What about people who don't get an opportunity to work hard. Ultimately it's just a rat wheel, they tell you to work harder to turn the wheels of society while not compensating you more. That one day you can be the boot who rules over other through your life choices. When ultimately it is the choices you don't get to make that define you. This is why right wing grifters also don't want to improve anything, they were brainwashed into thinking anybody can be the boot.