They used BBC (Big Bedouin wiener) as a war weapon to break the spirit of Britannia. The consequences of this dark act are felt even in the modern era.
this chart does not prove that ancient egyptians were berbers and it doesn't prove that copts are half berbers half greeks
the study shows that they are similar to gulfies and there's no mention of them being "hyksos"
why do berbers have to appropriate any civilization to ever exist?
2 years ago
Anonymous
My chart clearly shows that present-day "Egyptians" are a mixture of Berbers aka Ancient Egyptians (cyan component) Arabs (green component) and Greeks (red component).
I don't know about being mostly arab descended but i am like 34% arabo-semitic on my g25.
Then again i am an urbanite with no known tribal ancestry so maybe hilalites/sulaymids would get more.
Most major population (Kerouane, Tunis, Sfax, Sousse) were founded by Arabs and Phoenicians so its population has very little to do with Berbers, you guys are actually closer to Lebanese and Saudis.
>Undoubtedly, the Muslim expansion of the seventh century into North Africa and the subsequent massive Bedouin migration during the eleventh century contributed considerably to the east to west gene flow into North Africa. The J-M267 haplogroup with frequencies as high as 40% in Saudi Arabia39 could have been introduced with the Arab migration waves into North Africa during historical times. Its presence in North Africa at frequencies around 30%21, 35, 40 and its absence in Berbers, excluding the Sened (see above), may be explained by the Arab conquest.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25471516/
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Most major population
Most major population centers*
2 years ago
Anonymous
>My chart clearly shows that present-day "Egyptians" are a mixture of Berbers aka Ancient Egyptians (cyan component) Arabs (green component) and Greeks (red component).
it doesn't show that at all, yemenis and saudis are modeled in a similar why >inbefore they are arab-algerian mixes too
i'm gonna lol but i already know the answer is going to be some variation of this
you know what? whatever
you berbers are like 10 years old kids, it's stupid of me to pretend to have a serious discussion with you, everyone that is not moronic can read admixture charts and already knows you are wrong
2 years ago
Anonymous
they ruined the board, too much low iq it's like talking to african americans
why are there so many of them here?
2 years ago
Anonymous
IQfy doesn't ban low quality spammers
2 years ago
Anonymous
i don't know what's the solution, other than never engage into conversations with them
absolute zero moderation leads to this, this board is basically their only outlet to vent their mental illness theories hence why there's a convergence of berbers here
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nice ad hominem. You will never be Egyptian tho.
>The high incidence of Hg 21 in North African (44%–76%), and more especially among NW African, samples can be regarded as an autochthonous genetic layer of the region. This lineage may have originated somewhere in North Africa ∼20,000 YBP and remained in North Africa and the Middle East for 10,000 years, before it spread towards southern Europe (Hammer et al. 1998). The relatively low incidence of this lineage in Egypt, compared with the Moroccan populations, is probably due to substantial population movements from neighboring countries to Egypt, thereby effectively reducing the frequency of Hg 21 within Egypt.
... >Geographic analysis of genetic variation (Figure 2) supports a genetic barrier between SW Europe and NW Africa, the intensity of which decreases from the western to the eastern part of the North African continent. In contrast with the pattern observed in the western Mediterranean region, the MDS plot (Figure 1) indicates an intermediate genetic position of Egypt between North Africa, southern Europe, and the Middle East.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/41466090
2 years ago
Anonymous
Saudis and Yemenis have some Berber ancestry sure, due to the Islamic slave trade, but Egyptians are roughly half Berber due to Ancient Egyptians being fully Berber. This is not hard to grasp once you acknowledge that North Africa was racially homogenous before Eurasians colonized the region.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're wrong about many things already. Berber genetic profile is a recent thing, the Iberomaurusians do not resemble Berbers. North African samples look like modern North Africans since antiquity precisely because of Eurasian migration to North Africa. This ancestry profile is not native to the region and emerged only in late neolithic or later.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you're wasting your time, he's completely mentally ill and not able to process such informations
do like me, don't engage in a conversation with him
2 years ago
Anonymous
The indigenous North African genetic profile (black dots) is attested since the Mesolithic period. These indigenous North Africans carried the same haplogroup as Berbers. The modern "Egyptian" genetic profile is first attested in North Africa among Hyksos and other Semitic invaders.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't know about plotting tbh but i don't think that might be too far fetched. Sorting by most shared ancestry, most of my matches seems to be from Qaysid tribes as I understand it.
If i were to guess that's probably from the old Caliphal/Aghlabid Jund.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What study is this from?
2 years ago
Anonymous
First Glimpse into the Genomic Characterization of People from the Imperial Roman Community of Casal Bertone (Rome, First–Third Centuries AD)
Ok? Even the hellenistic period samples in a similair manner. I'm an Arab and i have to intentionally avoid coptic samples because they frick g25 models models.
Their dominant ancestry is Natufian/PPNB. If they really were Berbers they'd score high on Mar_Taf components.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok? Even the hellenistic period samples in a similair manner. I'm an Arab and i have to intentionally avoid coptic samples because they frick g25 models models.
Their dominant ancestry is Natufian/PPNB. If they really were Berbers they'd score high on Mar_Taf components.
Ok? Even the hellenistic period samples in a similair manner. I'm an Arab and i have to intentionally avoid coptic samples because they frick g25 models models.
Their dominant ancestry is Natufian/PPNB. If they really were Berbers they'd score high on Mar_Taf components.
What components these Hyksos samples is irrelevant. Actual Egyptians were fully North African.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dude i'm Tunisian and even i'm not North African wtf are you on about?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tunisians are mostly of Arab descent like Egyptians are, when I say Berbers, I mean actual Berbers like Tuaregs and Sahrawis.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't know about being mostly arab descended but i am like 34% arabo-semitic on my g25.
Then again i am an urbanite with no known tribal ancestry so maybe hilalites/sulaymids would get more.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Tuaregs and Sahrawis >Actual berbers
Kys
2 years ago
Anonymous
>mah hyksos
By this logic hyksos were already egyptian
>Egyptian settlement and colonisation is attested from about 3200 BC onward all over the area of southern Canaan with almost every type of artifact: architecture (fortifications, embankments and buildings), pottery, vessels, tools, weapons, seals, etc.[12][13][14][15]
>The percentages of Egyptian‐style pottery at these sites varies between roughly 10 and 35% for the enclaves and up to 80–90% for the Egyptian‐dominated settlements, yet even the more modest numbers are significant. Indeed, the Syro‐Palestinian style pottery seen at Tell el‐Dab’a during the Fifteenth Dynasty—when this site served as the capital of the Levantine Hyksos kingdom based in the Eastern Delta of Egypt—only hovered between 30 and 40%!
Arabs are also 70-75% natufians and have no anatolian_N armixture
2 years ago
Anonymous
[...]
No he doesnt. sample is low quality but i used it to demonstrate
Pic is a coptic sample similar to abusir but with 5% SS and closest to egypt samples.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dumb cuck, SSA ancestry in Egypt did not reach modern Egyptian levels until the Medieval age. That is why Ancient Egyptians cluster with Arabs instead.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Some arabs have even more
Those tribes seem pure so they plot close
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's an unknown outlier that hasn't been released and Arabs all have maternal Anatolia_N admixture. Face it, you are a dumb cuck and Egyptians were Arabs.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Lol nope
Arabs are 80% natufian with 0% occurrences of light eyes while those abusir samples had green eyes
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nope, Arabs today are 1-10% light eyes because of their maternal European Anatolian admixture.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Those are balkan/turkish descendants
2 years ago
Anonymous
Stop lying cuck. There are isolated tribes that have people with blue eyes. This is because of their maternal European Anatolian admixture.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>isolated tribes that have people with blue eyes
i have bad news for you
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, unfortunately these people have maternal European Anatolian 10% admixture which is causing it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
NTA, I don't know about tribes, but I did see something like that for the people of Ma'arib in Yemen.
Don't know if its related to any certain ancestry though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>maternal
EEF came with IRN_N J1 daddies who raped them
Plus, both ethnicities muslim and christian from egypt have E-M35 as the most common haplogroup
They are the only population that has both autosomal and Y DNA affinity
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, it didn't. EEF already was in Levant_N who were maternally European Anatolian and paternally Afroasiatic Natufian.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If proto arabs were Levant _N, arabs would have equal proportions of natufian and barcin like levant_N
What they have is a ratio of 7:1 natufian:barcin so it's impossible they were anything but natufian-like before a population high in IRN_N and J haplogroup raped them
2 years ago
Anonymous
Levant_N were not equal proportions of Natufian and European Anatolian. They were a majority of Natufian.
Dishonest model
Pinarbasi were long dead by the time the natufian anatolian fusion happened in the neolithic
Barcin sample is the neolithic anatolian population
Who are you trying to deceive, homie?
2 years ago
Anonymous
No moron. Pinarbasi was contemporary with Natufians. Barcin was created much later from the IRN_N men you mentioned mating with Anatolian women.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>HG >migrating and mixing
It was anatolian farmers neolithized by the irn_n input you mentioned who made the journey south and mixed with natufians
2 years ago
Anonymous
Levant farmers predate the Anatolian farmers. Your scenario is backwards.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It was two farmer populations mixing and later on anatolia received levant _n admixture
2 years ago
Anonymous
Impossible. Levant farmers existed when the European Anatolians were still primitives.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>maternal
How come when their paternal lineage isn’t natufian
2 years ago
Anonymous
From the same study:
>Our data seem to indicate close admixture and affinity at a much earlier date, which is unsurprising given the long and complex connections between Egypt and the Middle East. These connections date back to Prehistory and occurred at a variety of scales, including overland and maritime commerce, diplomacy, immigration, invasion and deportation54.
>Especially from the second millennium BCE onwards, there were intense, historically- and archaeologically documented contacts, including the large-scale immigration of Canaanite populations, known as the Hyksos, into Lower Egypt, whose origins lie in the Middle Bronze Age Levant54.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok? Take any modern sample or even neolithic sample and run it yourself on vahaduo.
They don't have Mar_Taf, i don't know where you are going with this.
this chart does not prove that ancient egyptians were berbers and it doesn't prove that copts are half berbers half greeks
the study shows that they are similar to gulfies and there's no mention of them being "hyksos"
why do berbers have to appropriate any civilization to ever exist?
Romans regularly posted legions far from the recruits hometowns, was a way of breaking down local ties and ensuring peoples only loyalty was to the empire.
They used BBC (Big Bedouin wiener) as a war weapon to break the spirit of Britannia. The consequences of this dark act are felt even in the modern era.
Wasn't that guy a gladiator? Also IIRC he was very close on PCA to the ancient Egyptian samples that we have.
That's because ancient egyptiabs are very genetically similair to arabs. Their closest modern populations are even Yemenites I believe.
Ancient Egyptians were Berbers. You are confusing them with Modern Egyptians who are mostly descended from Arabs.
moron
Cool story Muhammad al Badawi
That is a mixed brit mutt with a moroccan mother who is always coping with being a non white
Ancient Egyptians were Copts
Copts are a mix of Berbers and Greeks.
>Ancient Egyptians were Berbers.
no
>Copts are a mix of Berbers and Greeks.
no
Yes.
this chart does not prove that ancient egyptians were berbers and it doesn't prove that copts are half berbers half greeks
the study shows that they are similar to gulfies and there's no mention of them being "hyksos"
why do berbers have to appropriate any civilization to ever exist?
My chart clearly shows that present-day "Egyptians" are a mixture of Berbers aka Ancient Egyptians (cyan component) Arabs (green component) and Greeks (red component).
Most major population (Kerouane, Tunis, Sfax, Sousse) were founded by Arabs and Phoenicians so its population has very little to do with Berbers, you guys are actually closer to Lebanese and Saudis.
>Undoubtedly, the Muslim expansion of the seventh century into North Africa and the subsequent massive Bedouin migration during the eleventh century contributed considerably to the east to west gene flow into North Africa. The J-M267 haplogroup with frequencies as high as 40% in Saudi Arabia39 could have been introduced with the Arab migration waves into North Africa during historical times. Its presence in North Africa at frequencies around 30%21, 35, 40 and its absence in Berbers, excluding the Sened (see above), may be explained by the Arab conquest.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25471516/
>Most major population
Most major population centers*
>My chart clearly shows that present-day "Egyptians" are a mixture of Berbers aka Ancient Egyptians (cyan component) Arabs (green component) and Greeks (red component).
it doesn't show that at all, yemenis and saudis are modeled in a similar why
>inbefore they are arab-algerian mixes too
i'm gonna lol but i already know the answer is going to be some variation of this
you know what? whatever
you berbers are like 10 years old kids, it's stupid of me to pretend to have a serious discussion with you, everyone that is not moronic can read admixture charts and already knows you are wrong
they ruined the board, too much low iq it's like talking to african americans
why are there so many of them here?
IQfy doesn't ban low quality spammers
i don't know what's the solution, other than never engage into conversations with them
absolute zero moderation leads to this, this board is basically their only outlet to vent their mental illness theories hence why there's a convergence of berbers here
Nice ad hominem. You will never be Egyptian tho.
>The high incidence of Hg 21 in North African (44%–76%), and more especially among NW African, samples can be regarded as an autochthonous genetic layer of the region. This lineage may have originated somewhere in North Africa ∼20,000 YBP and remained in North Africa and the Middle East for 10,000 years, before it spread towards southern Europe (Hammer et al. 1998). The relatively low incidence of this lineage in Egypt, compared with the Moroccan populations, is probably due to substantial population movements from neighboring countries to Egypt, thereby effectively reducing the frequency of Hg 21 within Egypt.
...
>Geographic analysis of genetic variation (Figure 2) supports a genetic barrier between SW Europe and NW Africa, the intensity of which decreases from the western to the eastern part of the North African continent. In contrast with the pattern observed in the western Mediterranean region, the MDS plot (Figure 1) indicates an intermediate genetic position of Egypt between North Africa, southern Europe, and the Middle East.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/41466090
Saudis and Yemenis have some Berber ancestry sure, due to the Islamic slave trade, but Egyptians are roughly half Berber due to Ancient Egyptians being fully Berber. This is not hard to grasp once you acknowledge that North Africa was racially homogenous before Eurasians colonized the region.
You're wrong about many things already. Berber genetic profile is a recent thing, the Iberomaurusians do not resemble Berbers. North African samples look like modern North Africans since antiquity precisely because of Eurasian migration to North Africa. This ancestry profile is not native to the region and emerged only in late neolithic or later.
you're wasting your time, he's completely mentally ill and not able to process such informations
do like me, don't engage in a conversation with him
The indigenous North African genetic profile (black dots) is attested since the Mesolithic period. These indigenous North Africans carried the same haplogroup as Berbers. The modern "Egyptian" genetic profile is first attested in North Africa among Hyksos and other Semitic invaders.
I don't know about plotting tbh but i don't think that might be too far fetched. Sorting by most shared ancestry, most of my matches seems to be from Qaysid tribes as I understand it.
If i were to guess that's probably from the old Caliphal/Aghlabid Jund.
What study is this from?
First Glimpse into the Genomic Characterization of People from the Imperial Roman Community of Casal Bertone (Rome, First–Third Centuries AD)
No? That's not even remotely close.
>Y-DNA: J
That's an Arab/Hyksos.
Ok? Even the hellenistic period samples in a similair manner. I'm an Arab and i have to intentionally avoid coptic samples because they frick g25 models models.
Their dominant ancestry is Natufian/PPNB. If they really were Berbers they'd score high on Mar_Taf components.
Here i even found the sample.
Target: Egypt_Hellenistic
Distance: 5.9119% / 0.05911900
70.0 Levant_PPNB
15.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
6.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.8 MAR_Taforalt
3.6 Dinka
What components these Hyksos samples is irrelevant. Actual Egyptians were fully North African.
Dude i'm Tunisian and even i'm not North African wtf are you on about?
Tunisians are mostly of Arab descent like Egyptians are, when I say Berbers, I mean actual Berbers like Tuaregs and Sahrawis.
I don't know about being mostly arab descended but i am like 34% arabo-semitic on my g25.
Then again i am an urbanite with no known tribal ancestry so maybe hilalites/sulaymids would get more.
>Tuaregs and Sahrawis
>Actual berbers
Kys
>mah hyksos
By this logic hyksos were already egyptian
>Egyptian settlement and colonisation is attested from about 3200 BC onward all over the area of southern Canaan with almost every type of artifact: architecture (fortifications, embankments and buildings), pottery, vessels, tools, weapons, seals, etc.[12][13][14][15]
>The percentages of Egyptian‐style pottery at these sites varies between roughly 10 and 35% for the enclaves and up to 80–90% for the Egyptian‐dominated settlements, yet even the more modest numbers are significant. Indeed, the Syro‐Palestinian style pottery seen at Tell el‐Dab’a during the Fifteenth Dynasty—when this site served as the capital of the Levantine Hyksos kingdom based in the Eastern Delta of Egypt—only hovered between 30 and 40%!
Distance to: Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.04144669 Yemenite_Amran
0.04260572 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.04266762 BedouinA
0.04707154 SaudiB
0.04838003 Palestinian
0.04983930 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.05167204 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.05348884 Yemenite_Jew
0.05450237 Jordanian
0.05498583 SaudiA
0.05696382 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.06218179 BedouinB
0.06257356 Samaritan
0.06539872 Egyptian
And? Any sample with even 3% more SS would suddenly plot closest to egyptians
But they don't. None of them do. Every single Ancient Egyptian sample shows a distinctly Arab genetic signature.
Except they don't
Distance to: Egyptian_1879bc:Nakht-Ankh
0.04199247 Egyptian
0.05445303 SaudiB
0.05591073 Tunisian_Rbaya
0.05614163 BedouinA
0.05716855 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.06347228 Yemenite_Amran
0.06455630 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.07031330 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.07301396 Libyan
0.07354311 Palestinian
Arabs are also 70-75% natufians and have no anatolian_N armixture
Nakht-Ankh had Ethiopian admixture
No he doesnt. sample is low quality but i used it to demonstrate
Pic is a coptic sample similar to abusir but with 5% SS and closest to egypt samples.
Dumb cuck, SSA ancestry in Egypt did not reach modern Egyptian levels until the Medieval age. That is why Ancient Egyptians cluster with Arabs instead.
Some arabs have even more
Those tribes seem pure so they plot close
That's an unknown outlier that hasn't been released and Arabs all have maternal Anatolia_N admixture. Face it, you are a dumb cuck and Egyptians were Arabs.
Lol nope
Arabs are 80% natufian with 0% occurrences of light eyes while those abusir samples had green eyes
Nope, Arabs today are 1-10% light eyes because of their maternal European Anatolian admixture.
Those are balkan/turkish descendants
Stop lying cuck. There are isolated tribes that have people with blue eyes. This is because of their maternal European Anatolian admixture.
>isolated tribes that have people with blue eyes
i have bad news for you
Yes, unfortunately these people have maternal European Anatolian 10% admixture which is causing it.
NTA, I don't know about tribes, but I did see something like that for the people of Ma'arib in Yemen.
Don't know if its related to any certain ancestry though.
>maternal
EEF came with IRN_N J1 daddies who raped them
Plus, both ethnicities muslim and christian from egypt have E-M35 as the most common haplogroup
They are the only population that has both autosomal and Y DNA affinity
No, it didn't. EEF already was in Levant_N who were maternally European Anatolian and paternally Afroasiatic Natufian.
If proto arabs were Levant _N, arabs would have equal proportions of natufian and barcin like levant_N
What they have is a ratio of 7:1 natufian:barcin so it's impossible they were anything but natufian-like before a population high in IRN_N and J haplogroup raped them
Levant_N were not equal proportions of Natufian and European Anatolian. They were a majority of Natufian.
They have equal proportions
Target: Levant_PPNB
Distance: 3.8444% / 0.03844428
53.8 Levant_Natufian
46.2 TUR_Barcin_N
Nope. Majority Natufian.
Target: Levant_PPNB
Distance: 4.5779% / 0.04577931
60.6 Levant_Natufian_EpiP
39.4 TUR_Pinarbasi_HG
Dishonest model
Pinarbasi were long dead by the time the natufian anatolian fusion happened in the neolithic
Barcin sample is the neolithic anatolian population
Who are you trying to deceive, homie?
No moron. Pinarbasi was contemporary with Natufians. Barcin was created much later from the IRN_N men you mentioned mating with Anatolian women.
>HG
>migrating and mixing
It was anatolian farmers neolithized by the irn_n input you mentioned who made the journey south and mixed with natufians
Levant farmers predate the Anatolian farmers. Your scenario is backwards.
It was two farmer populations mixing and later on anatolia received levant _n admixture
Impossible. Levant farmers existed when the European Anatolians were still primitives.
>maternal
How come when their paternal lineage isn’t natufian
From the same study:
>Our data seem to indicate close admixture and affinity at a much earlier date, which is unsurprising given the long and complex connections between Egypt and the Middle East. These connections date back to Prehistory and occurred at a variety of scales, including overland and maritime commerce, diplomacy, immigration, invasion and deportation54.
>Especially from the second millennium BCE onwards, there were intense, historically- and archaeologically documented contacts, including the large-scale immigration of Canaanite populations, known as the Hyksos, into Lower Egypt, whose origins lie in the Middle Bronze Age Levant54.
Ok? Take any modern sample or even neolithic sample and run it yourself on vahaduo.
They don't have Mar_Taf, i don't know where you are going with this.
reminder calculatortrannies will never provide a real journal article as evidence and will continue to jerk off over pseudoscience.
this
is from the study
Post it or continue to be delusional.
That was my first post troony. Try suicide maybe?
it's from Schuenemann et al. 2017, the study about ancient greek samples
Post. It.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#Sec30
you can do a few things yourself once in a while
>you can do a few things yourself once in a while
It's not my job to support what is 95% delusions.
Damn if you project any harder you might actually manifest some testosorone.
Are you just mad your larp got exposed or what?
>superior culture
>superior intellectuals
>remained Hellenic unlike R*me
Is it time to admit that R*moids are barely above violent animals?
It's likely that peoples migrated over the Empire. Gauls settled in nafrica and nafricans settled in Brittannia
He may have been an Ancient Egyptian, which is not surprising as Egyptians were like modern Arabs instead of Nafri mutts.
Romans regularly posted legions far from the recruits hometowns, was a way of breaking down local ties and ensuring peoples only loyalty was to the empire.
Bongs have always had a soft spot for brown people
schizo thread
For the bants
England didn't exist back then