Why were they never able to establish a mighty empire like the Romans or the British? They had all the tools and resources for it. Were they held back by their democracy?
Why were they never able to establish a mighty empire like the Romans or the British?
If you speak English and are not American you are a subject of the American empire.
Russia, Canada, and China all have more territory than the USA.
The age of sail is over, Grandpa. We've reached a higher stage of Empire than any previous.
so, just because it has more land doesn't mean its more powerful, Canada has a far smaller population, economy, global influence, and military to the point they rely on the US for protection, while Russia is a regional power it has also proven to not be as powerful as it claimed to be, and going back to its size the vast majority of it is untamed wilderness that offers no real value to it beyond map painting larp, and I doubt even the most delusional would try to argue for Russia being more powerful than the US, the only one on that list that has power equal to the US is China, and that not solely due to their land size but the fact they have an immense population and economy that they know how to use and even then they don't have the same network of alliances the US has at the moment
But the USA doesn't even exercise it's power as an empire would. It doesn't have client states, all it has are allies, several times Canada and Europe have told America to frick off and stfu and instead of forcing a regime change the American government just timidly backed down. That's not the sort of thing you'd expect from a vassal/puppet state.
>It doesn't have client states, all it has are allies
Pretty much every US ally is a client state by the dictionary definition. But if you want even more clear cut examples then Puerto Rico and Guam would be. Also historically Cuba, the Philippines, Panama etc. Really all of Latin America as well with the Monroe Doctrine. A case of naked expansionism would be the Mexican-American war. The United States could have taken it much much further and become more like a "real" empire, but liberal ideology prevents that from happening. Most American "colonies" like the Philippines were always planned to be independent at some point. The word "empire" is sort of vague anyway.
>several times Canada and Europe have told America to frick off and stfu and instead of forcing a regime change the American government just timidly backed down
I'd love to see even one example of this happening.
If there was an ancient political that had the same “allies” as the US, historians wouldn’t even hesitate to call that entity an empire.
See: Athens
How many of America's allies pay tribute?
Doesn’t need to pay tribute. Completely reliant on military protection with soldiers stationed in the country is enough to be considered a client state in the historical sense.
The example was that the Americas allies are equivalent to the tribute paying subject states of the Athenian Empire.
Oh, and how many of them are forbidden armed forces?
If people can consider random ass tribes in Spain part of the Carthaginian empire just because their military protected them, then America is definitely an empire in my opinion.
>Canada and Europe have told America to frick off and stfu and instead of forcing a regime change the American government just timidly backed down
We literally blew up an oil pipeline and the EU did nothing about it. We could fire bomb Paris tomorrow and the next day the French government would cover for us. Any backtracking is literally the puppet show both governments put on for the masses so they still believe they're a sovereign state.
Canada is a British colony made up of five cities and their rural and French slaves. Don't list it next to real countries.
How can you even compare Russia, or Canada, to the United States at all. I’d rather have 1 acre of usable land then 100 of unusable tundra shit hole. We have barely less arable land then Russia and China combined and more arable land then China despite 1/3 the population.
I meant Canada for the first time I said China
It's not how much land you have It's how you use it moron
The USA also technically occupies half of Europe. They our "allies" in name alone and we treat them more like vassal/puppet states. No self respecting sovereign nation lets a foreign nation station troops in their own land.
This. You don’t see any foreign military bases in the US but you see US military bases all over the world.
The Mongols had more territory than Rome
If Carthage and Athens can be considered empires then America is definitely an empire, probably the largest the world has ever seen.
They learned their lesson in the war of 1812 when their attempts to cynically exploit Great Britain being locked in a total war with the greatest military despot ever known ended with their invasions failed, their navy bottled up in port and their economy shattered. All through the time period when true empire could have been built they were too scared of being slapped down again and only picked on weaklings like the Spanish.
You're literally living in their empire right now. The American ruling class has never been wealthier, and their interests trump yours at every turn
Are you sure those are Americans, or..."Americans"
They're Americans, you're genuinely moronic if you think WASPs still aren't ubiquitous among the ruling class.
america is literally king shit of the world. only russia and china and a few scattered minor nations are not a part of their empire
the american empire more closely resembles something like the athenian empire. they offer protection to their subjects in exchange for profiteering off them, loosely.
The American Empire is Carthage. China is Rome.
China is not Rome.
Correct, China is China.
Sometimes I think about how long China has existed and it scares me. Not the country, just the idea that something can last that long.
I'm just a layman like anyone else but even I know all that empire shit done by corporations. Even 500 years ago. Colonialism, slavery, all that shit was done by faceless corporations. We only hear about the warehouse managers we don't hear about the Jeff bezos of slavery who never even stepped on a farm but own the whole shit. The whole cold war, none of that shit was about communism vs capitalism. Most of those wars for BP oil and united foods corporation. A fricking banana company is responsible for half the cold war. Thats the real skinny. Corporations have all the power. If there's ever mass revolution in the west like during the enlightenment it'll come from a corporation.
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Americans wasted the entire 19th Century. They were cowards, the entireity of the Americas was for the taking.
We didn't want it because it's full of browns, we effectively controlled them anyway, and we still do.
Amerimutts tried taking Canada in the 19th century, it didn't go too well for them.
They knew mummy would come slap them down again
So far above the Romans and British in terms of culture and power that it isn't even funny. There is no historical allegory for the might and glory that is the American empire. If Atlantis existed, America is the closest thing to it that there has ever been and judging by the way things are looking, ever will be and if you actually understand history are clearly its heirs. The anti-Americanism and anti-Angelism on this board is an embarrassing cope.
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