>worship me because I'm so great or I'll make you suffer horribly
>pride and wrath are sins btw
why do people listen to this guy again? just because he'll hurt you if you don't?
doesn't seem like a very swell guy; bit of a hypocrite in fact, you ask me
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>t. hasn't read the bible
He literally just used the bible against the bible.
>doesn't seem like a very swell guy
Reject his gifts then.
>gifts
like what?
Life.
if I'm supposed to be indentured to god for so long as I'm alive then how can it be a gift? seems more like usury.
Yeah it's really terrible, you can just go ahead and reject it.
>don't want to spend your life as a slave to a mystical sky overlord? might as well have a nice day then!
do christians really think like this?
I really hope you're being disingenuous for your own sake
>>> I don't like this bwaaaaah
>> Then don't do it
> Help! Disingenuity!!!
Ahahah
You're such a pussy, Anon.
why do you conflate enjoying life with godly subservience?
I rather enjoy my life and I don't need to submit to holy authority to do so. if ""god"" has a problem with that, he can feel free to stop me.
>> Then don't do it
perhaps it would help if you clarified what you mean by this. do you mean "dont worship god"? which I don't and I'm happy not to. or do you mean "don't live", which is really to say "have a nice day"? because if that's the case then you're just being an obnoxious child.
>>>Guy's terrible
his gifts then
>Nah his gifts are good actually
Are you starting to understand the point?
>gifts
we've already established that it's not a gift.
if I ""gifted"" you a ferrari for your birthday then told you the next day that you have to drive me to and from work every day until I retire in return, would you do it or would you just tell me to frick off and keep the ferrari for yourself?
>we've established gifts NEVER come with any responsibilities
Such a subtle cope. All the more subtle for the fact that my point actually works even if I concede to your invalid semantic pleading.
Anon, you have neither the integrity nor the IQ to really discuss this. Make a few more posts about how unfair it is that responsibilities exist in life and move on.
name one gift you've gotten, other than one from "god", that comes with any responsibilities (not including responsibilities to the gift itself, i.e. a new pet dog)
been going well so far
>Name a gift with responsibilities
>Without responsibilities though
Hard, hard cope.
>been going well so far
>posting high school arguments on IQfy
Clearly.
>can't name a single example, has to strawman instead
>accuse ME of coping
I see you don't actually have an argument.
>Clearly
look in the mirror pal
god's "clearly" doing you a lot more favors than me I see
lol
Indeed I can't name an example of a gift with responsibilities without responsibilities. I guess that's on me.
As I said, neither the IQ nor the honesty. Re-watch The Amazing Atheists and call it a day, senpai.
how can you accuse me of being dishonest when you're the one deliberately misrepresenting my statements? I ask you for an example of a gift with responsibilities other than to the gift itself, and you nonsensically interpret this as "a gift with responsibilities without responsibilities"
praising god for the gift of life isn't a responsibility to life; it's a responsibility to god. I can live my whole life a happy man without praising god once and not suffer any consequences until I actually face god himself im the afterlife. inversely, if I'm given a pet dog, I HAVE to feed it or it'll starve, die, and rot in my house. there's no shortcut to enjoying the gift of a dog. if I don't want to take care of it, my only recourse is to give it away.
>praising god for the gift of life isn't a responsibility to life; it's a responsibility to god
It's both. Just like caring for a dog is both a responsibility to the dog AND to God.
If you take care of your dog right, it lasts. If you worship right, your life lasts for eternity. I'm being toxis for sure, but what I say about this topic not being exactly right for you is meant honestly. I don't think you're really fit to understand things like these, from beginning till now everything in this thread reeks 2009 YouTube Skeptic talking points... in about 3 posts you're going to shift from "why would it be justified" to "what evidence does it have" and you'll pretend to argue for science...
>I can live my whole life a happy man without praising god once
Clearly.
so if I'm not mistaken your stance is
>ANY gift that requires taking care of is inherently a duty to god
>life and afterlife are essentially the same thing
if that's the case then there's no point arguing with you further because our beliefs differ on a fundamental level.
suffice to say, you've failed to convince me.
>ANY gift ... is inherently a duty to god
Fixed.
>life and afterlife are essentially the same thing
No. They're both life though.
>you've failed to convince me.
That wasn't my task. My task was to expose how inconsistent you are. And that's been successful, although it may not be clear to you just now.
so is the gift of "life" that you speak of life on earth, the afterlife, or both?
and if life on the whole is eternal then how could I possibly reject it, even if I were to kill myself on earth? I would just continue to live forever in hell, would I not?
>so is the gift of "life" that you speak of life on earth, the afterlife, or both?
>So is the gift of "dog" that you speak of dog right now or dog that survives my treatement or both?
Both.
>if life on the whole is eternal then how could I possibly reject it
By making it finite.
>By making it finite
by making what finite? you literally just agreed that life is eternal either way.
I'm not trying to be pedantic by the way. I'm really just trying to understand your mindset.
I didn't agree it's finite "either way". I said you receive a gift and if you take care of it properly, it lasts. In case of a dog, for 20 years. In case of life, for eternity. But you can frick up both and end them within seconds if you so choose.
Note that all this time we're really just discussing your pretense that we shouldn't call life a 'gift' because you don't like the logical conclusion of returning gifts.
returning gifts is fine
you can't "return" life though
god will send you to hell if you try, won't he?
like with my dog analogy. what if I threatened to burn your house down if you if you said you'd give the dog away? then it seems less like a gift and more like an obligation, doesn't it?
>But you can frick up both and end them within seconds if you so choose.
so life's not eternal if you're a sinner then, is what you're saying, right? what is that alternative then? oblivion? or do you consider life in hell to not really constitute life then?
>god will send you to hell if you try, won't he?
>so life's not eternal if you're a sinner then...?
You'll suffer a second death after death. It's a rejection just fine.
and what comes after that second death? you haven't answered that yet.
Nothing. It's death.
is that it?
what you're saying is I can enjoy life on earth completely ignorant of god without suffering any penalty as a mortal, go to hell for a bit or whatever after the first death, then fade into oblivion after the second?
doesn't seem like such a bad deal to me. don't see why I'd have to kill myself over it either; not wanting to live forever and not wanting to live at all are two very different things in my opinion. but again, that's a fundamental difference between you and me I suppose.
>death? doesn't seem like such a bad deal
Then as I was saying. Go on. Take your dog with you, it's not like life lasting longer is any value is it lol
fair enough
Oh shit lol atheists really gonn select themselves out of the gene pool because they argued themselves into "life isn't worth prolonging really"
I'm not an atheist, and I wasn't aware the afterlife had a gene pool
again, life and the afterlife are two different concepts to me, even if they mostly overlap to you
So special pleading then. "Yes I love life, I enjoy it and I wouldn't cut it short, except for after the second coming, in which case I don't love life, I don't enjoy it and I would cut it short"... any logic behind it?
mortal life is worth living to me because it is interesting, entertaining even; there are always challenges, obstacles to overcome, always some way to improve myself both physically and mentally. there is also occassional joy that feels special precisely because it is contrasted against the suffering, and endless possibilities for things to create of my own accord, too. every day is a new unique experience, even if it isn't always an easy one.
what's in heaven? eternal bliss? praise god for eternity? perhaps I misunderstand heaven but it just seems boring to me. when my time is done on earth I'd really rather just die than spend the rest of eternity in service to a higher power.
>no counter points
>you are just stupid to understand ok?
christcucks never change
Ironically, you were too stupid to understand the argument implied by the greentext.
That's Zeus from Age of Mythology.
Yhwh is Jove so it checks out
>waaaa why are we puny mortals in flimsy flesh bodies not treated the same as a timeless omnipotent entity that created the universe waaa
>I don't like God's rules!
Good luck with that.
>gets hurt and suffers
Misquoted verse. It's [they] could not because [they] didn't fulfill Joshua 17.
Such a shame, I really sense you were proud of the meme lol
Yes god is evil.
What are you going to do about it?
This position is so absurd.
People prove God is evil, a hypocrite. You could prove the abrahamic god is actually an eldritch horror that decided to get himself followers by speaking into peoples heads.
If you assume he is real (probably isn't) then you reasoned yourself into a hole no matter what you say about it.
There is this omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent entity, you proved that is entity is what we could call evil. Now what? It's not going to go away. It's very clearly stated it will punish you horribly if you disobey it. It's a completely useless train of thought.
What this proves is that god isn't omnibenevolent. And then on you can reach to "god don't real" or god lying, that latter just leaves you at the conundrum stated before.
>doesn't seem like a very swell guy;
suffice to say, you've failed to convince me.
his world his rules
>worship me because I'm so great or I'll make you suffer horribly
there is no evidence of this.
I think Zeus was more worried about banging human females and fathering demigods than wanting people to worship him though
Christian arguments are so fricking pathetic holy shit