There’s always a market for statehood, and a monopoly will always form simply because the transaction costs are lower under a system of centralized service provision.
I think it is. That's precisely my point. The entirety of USA has one evil cabal that wreaks havoc and tries to outperform a different cabal on the other end of the Earth. I see absolutely no reason why thousands of independent settlements would ultimately join in ways that would give rise to only one such party. Given endless opportunities for fraction, there would be new warlords every other month.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It wouldn't happen. Ancaps don't believe in violent imperialism and are isolationists. This would be a problem for communists, and liberals, because their system can only work through universal conquest of the world where as ancaps would just be seas of independent people.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Liberals and communists have murdered millions of people with their ideas. Ancaps haven't because their theories are based on the morality of non-violence - so ancap society wouldn't.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It wouldn't happen. Ancaps don't believe in violent imperialism and are isolationists. This would be a problem for communists, and liberals, because their system can only work through universal conquest of the world where as ancaps would just be seas of independent people.
>It wouldn't happen
I would make it happen. That yall don't believe in the means I posess would only help me.
The topic of this thread isn't the feasibility of ancap but short answer free market. An ancap society neighboring a statist society has every defensive advantage. For more read bob murphy - chaos theory
I asked it to better understand what society you're imagining because tbh "AnCap government" caught me a bit by surprise. But my answer remains the same - collaborating settlers are WAY more vulnerable to militia than any kind of state. Hence I'd reserve my sinful impulses to whenever/wherever you guys make your new hoods.
2 years ago
Dirk
I suggest reading a book
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'll add it to the reading list of "utopic fringe ideologies that could totally work because people would just behave that way trust me". Thanks!
2 years ago
Anonymous
You have a wikipedia tier understanding of the world; you don't read books, and no cares what you believe anyways because you would be a liability for any political movement. That's why you aren't part of any that currently exist.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>That's why you aren't part of any that currently exist.
You got that right. I cringe every time I remember I have to trust politicians with my money and well-being... but I'd rather they weren't fringe utopists anyway.
2 years ago
Dirk
You just now shared that you didn't even know what it was, so maybe add it to your "topics on which I made myself look like a moron" list
2 years ago
Anonymous
I adore the weight you think this had. It's like a LotR fan "exposing" me when I ask why they couldn't fly into Mordor. Believe it or not, I am ok with not knowing the lore of every fictional world and utopia lol
Next time I'll come into an AnCap thread with exactly the same objections. And you won't have shit to say either.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I would make it happen.
Yeah, but you wouldn't exist in such a society because we would kill you for being a terrorist. Simple as.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sounds a LOT like our current society, senpai, ngl.
the last time I heard an anarcho-capitalist trying to refute this, they basically said >that wouldn't happen by definition in an Anarcho-capitalist society, because everyone would be following the non-aggression principle!
The core belief of feudalism is serfdom. Working in anarchocapitalism is based on voluntaryianism. Therefore anarchocapitalism has zero to do with feudalism and viceversa
>anarchocapitalism is based on voluntaryianism
this means nothing when faced with material conditions that force desperate people into positions they'd other wise not occupy, otherwise if they dont force themselves into these conditions they'd face death from scarcity
in summery true meaningful decisions can only be made if there are not obvious and severe consequences for taking another decision
An-capism is a very unstable system.
It will decay quickly (the moment someone violates the NAP) into whatever the most influential actor(s) deem beneficial. Be that tyranny or democracy.
A more powerful defensive force, better equipped, funded and motivated by my covenant community since we're supposing we're already existing in a mature ancap society
Why are you not now a warlord competing with your county sheriff?
I am not competing with the local authorities because they have the back-up of the entire country and if need be, the entire European Union. But it takes a state to knit a power threat thight. You won't have that luxury. You'll be lucky if your community works half as well as Wild West villages did... and those were incredible suceptible to gangs already.
2 years ago
Dirk
why would you expect an ancap setting to be any different, if not better? Are you sure you know what ancap is?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wait a minute, you think you'd create an AnCap European Union?
2 years ago
Dirk
No, the EU is an organization of states. I think various voluntarist settlements would naturally form whatever alliances they want; commercial, defense, research etc.
Ancap is not the absence of government, it's the absence of state.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ancap is not the absence of government, it's the absence of state.
tomato tomato - potato potato
2 years ago
Dirk
Ignorant post - you moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
And what precisely would make those governments outperform states?
2 years ago
Dirk
The topic of this thread isn't the feasibility of ancap but short answer free market. An ancap society neighboring a statist society has every defensive advantage. For more read bob murphy - chaos theory
>A more powerful defensive force, better equipped, funded and motivated by my covenant community since we're supposing we're already existing in a mature ancap society
By controlling society as a warlord?
Why does everyone always make fun of ancaps but never ancoms? Anarcho-Communism is even more moronic. Communes and altruism wouldn't work without an state enforcing them unless they are based on race/religion/culture in an "us against them" scenario where people have to band together to resist and survive against other groups. People would always rather defend their property instead of sharing it
There’s always a market for statehood, and a monopoly will always form simply because the transaction costs are lower under a system of centralized service provision.
Warlords are no difference than presidents, moron.
You think the entirety of USA would only have 1 warlord in ancap?
You think the US government isn't imperialistic or hasn't funded warlords? They made ISIS.
I think it is. That's precisely my point. The entirety of USA has one evil cabal that wreaks havoc and tries to outperform a different cabal on the other end of the Earth. I see absolutely no reason why thousands of independent settlements would ultimately join in ways that would give rise to only one such party. Given endless opportunities for fraction, there would be new warlords every other month.
It wouldn't happen. Ancaps don't believe in violent imperialism and are isolationists. This would be a problem for communists, and liberals, because their system can only work through universal conquest of the world where as ancaps would just be seas of independent people.
Liberals and communists have murdered millions of people with their ideas. Ancaps haven't because their theories are based on the morality of non-violence - so ancap society wouldn't.
>It wouldn't happen
I would make it happen. That yall don't believe in the means I posess would only help me.
I asked it to better understand what society you're imagining because tbh "AnCap government" caught me a bit by surprise. But my answer remains the same - collaborating settlers are WAY more vulnerable to militia than any kind of state. Hence I'd reserve my sinful impulses to whenever/wherever you guys make your new hoods.
I suggest reading a book
I'll add it to the reading list of "utopic fringe ideologies that could totally work because people would just behave that way trust me". Thanks!
You have a wikipedia tier understanding of the world; you don't read books, and no cares what you believe anyways because you would be a liability for any political movement. That's why you aren't part of any that currently exist.
>That's why you aren't part of any that currently exist.
You got that right. I cringe every time I remember I have to trust politicians with my money and well-being... but I'd rather they weren't fringe utopists anyway.
You just now shared that you didn't even know what it was, so maybe add it to your "topics on which I made myself look like a moron" list
I adore the weight you think this had. It's like a LotR fan "exposing" me when I ask why they couldn't fly into Mordor. Believe it or not, I am ok with not knowing the lore of every fictional world and utopia lol
Next time I'll come into an AnCap thread with exactly the same objections. And you won't have shit to say either.
>I would make it happen.
Yeah, but you wouldn't exist in such a society because we would kill you for being a terrorist. Simple as.
Sounds a LOT like our current society, senpai, ngl.
The most powerful warlords would just gang up
>skull mask
Holy cringe
He can't even wear it straight either
Not warlords, the conglomerate directors.
the last time I heard an anarcho-capitalist trying to refute this, they basically said
>that wouldn't happen by definition in an Anarcho-capitalist society, because everyone would be following the non-aggression principle!
>anarcho-capitalist society
literally just feudalism but with a different aesthetic
ill gladly hear out any self proclaimed anarkiddy or lolbertarian debate the contrary
The core belief of feudalism is serfdom. Working in anarchocapitalism is based on voluntaryianism. Therefore anarchocapitalism has zero to do with feudalism and viceversa
>anarchocapitalism is based on voluntaryianism
this means nothing when faced with material conditions that force desperate people into positions they'd other wise not occupy, otherwise if they dont force themselves into these conditions they'd face death from scarcity
in summery true meaningful decisions can only be made if there are not obvious and severe consequences for taking another decision
It would be controlled by the most generous aristocrats
The whole point is that we want to get rid of warlor.. pardon, presidents. Ancap society doesn't have that shit by definition.
An-capism is a very unstable system.
It will decay quickly (the moment someone violates the NAP) into whatever the most influential actor(s) deem beneficial. Be that tyranny or democracy.
No
How would you stop me?
sex
A more powerful defensive force, better equipped, funded and motivated by my covenant community since we're supposing we're already existing in a mature ancap society
Why are you not now a warlord competing with your county sheriff?
I am not competing with the local authorities because they have the back-up of the entire country and if need be, the entire European Union. But it takes a state to knit a power threat thight. You won't have that luxury. You'll be lucky if your community works half as well as Wild West villages did... and those were incredible suceptible to gangs already.
why would you expect an ancap setting to be any different, if not better? Are you sure you know what ancap is?
Wait a minute, you think you'd create an AnCap European Union?
No, the EU is an organization of states. I think various voluntarist settlements would naturally form whatever alliances they want; commercial, defense, research etc.
Ancap is not the absence of government, it's the absence of state.
>Ancap is not the absence of government, it's the absence of state.
tomato tomato - potato potato
Ignorant post - you moron
And what precisely would make those governments outperform states?
The topic of this thread isn't the feasibility of ancap but short answer free market. An ancap society neighboring a statist society has every defensive advantage. For more read bob murphy - chaos theory
>A more powerful defensive force, better equipped, funded and motivated by my covenant community since we're supposing we're already existing in a mature ancap society
By controlling society as a warlord?
Why does everyone always make fun of ancaps but never ancoms? Anarcho-Communism is even more moronic. Communes and altruism wouldn't work without an state enforcing them unless they are based on race/religion/culture in an "us against them" scenario where people have to band together to resist and survive against other groups. People would always rather defend their property instead of sharing it