>2022
>still no viable replacement
how the frick is this acceptable? it's been 18 years.
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>2022. >still no viable replacement. how the fuck is this acceptable? it's been 18 years.
>lived with that god fricking awful eye cancer shit since the fricking 70s
>even the last fricking revisions of it was a pile of fricking trash compared to even the cheapest goddamn modern displays
I had a fricking expensive as shit, high quality CRT at the end of their reign. Frick that goddamn eye cancer and frick all modern kids who want to be different for the sake of being different because they want to be special little snowflakes and use fricking shit CRTs.
No one wants to stare at that trash all day. Thank frick for modern display technology.
you didn't know what you had, lcds still have excessive motion blur and shit black levels
game nostalgia does not count
i play new games on mine
>i play da NIU bibibu gambies instead of da old ones on my VINTAGE RETRO NOSTALGIC HRT i-i mean CRT!!
grow the frick UP you manchild ass autist NEET homosexual
>grow the frick UP
And do what? Mow the lawn?
>crtroon doesnt have any friends
>crtroon doesnt have any hobbies
>crtroon just plays games all day
aaaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxax
Imagine being this mad at CRTs
My Eizo S2433W has even worse light rejection
based post-contrarian zoomer larping as boomer shitting on other zoomer
>you didn't know what you had, lcds still have excessive motion blur and shit black levels
show your crt's perfect black level then, zoomer. crt having perfect black level is a meme. you can have perfect blacks but it will also skew the gamma making it impossible to see near-black colors.
just calibrate and it's not an issue
>you can have perfect blacks but it will also skew the gamma making it impossible to see near-black colors.
My CRT is more accurate than whatever you're using now.
Broadcast monitors are little different from these PC CRTs that can run at 1440p at flicker-free refresh rates.
This moron shill again. Nobody cares about your autistic anime games that can't even run at >60fps.
Any modern game works great for CRTs too
>16ms between frames
>4:3
>17inch
>requires dim basement
>Ideal for any modern games
Yeah, no. Also, stop eating like a fricking slob at your desk. That mouse looks gross.
>16ms between frames
This monitor can run at 170hz though, and that NEC at 200hz
>4:3
And?
>17inch
21*
>requires dim basement
And?
>Ideal for any modern games
No motion blur, superior color and uniformity, better contrast, support for any resolution, what else do you need?
Imagine paying 500€ for a TN monitor
Delock 62967 or any other similiar ~20€ DP-VGA adapter. No noise, no lag, they're just as good as native ramdacs, ignoring slightly lower pixel clock limits (there are more expensive units that outperform any ramdac at 600mhz, if you need one)
>Imagine paying 500€ for a TN monitor
Well obviously motion clarity is the only thing you care about so what's the issue?
cause plugging an extra cable categorically NEVER introduced noise to a system...
frick me the delusion here is a bit scary.
How moronic are you? Displayport is a digital interface, which is immune to noise. Using an adapter does not add any more noise than a traditional ramdac. If the adapter is as well designed, which they appear to be.
>Well obviously motion clarity is the only thing you care about
When the frick did I say that?
Also even if that were true, your DyAC garbage fails spectacularly, even in your picture there's crosstalk. It also doesn't work properly at 60hz, which is a requirement for me.
But I use CRTs because they provide both excellent picture and excellent motion.
LCDs sure are immune to light!
>Cumstains on screen from fapping to "not tranime" adolescent girls.
>LCDs sure are immune to light!
This is just a difference between matte and glossy moron. Has nothing to do with crt itself.
>How moronic are you? Displayport is a digital interface, which is immune to noise. Using an adapter does not add any more noise than a traditional ramdac. If the adapter is as well designed, which they appear to be.
>he thinks analog to digital (with an adapter) adds no signal noise...
calling me moronic.
>LCDs sure are immune to light!
He says posting one of the crappiest LCDs in existence.
>Imagine paying 500€ for a TN monitor
>This monitor can run at 170hz though, and that NEC at 200hz
Yeah, at 360p
>And?
And you're moronic
>21*
Nice, 21inch is the sweet spot for 360p, rite?
>requires dim basement
>And?
Have sex. Unironically.
>No motion blur
The only valid point in your entire shitty mental gymnastics
>superior color and uniformity
Citation needed
>support for any resolution
Yes, at shit refresh rates
The disingenuous posts that CRT copers have to make are getting ridiculous.
The disingenuous homosexual is you
>Yeah, at 360p
768p*
If that's too low for you, 1200p110hz also works
>Citation needed
Here
It's as if that was my point.
These anons use pictures of PVMs literally sold specifically for dark rooms, thus have no coating what-so-ever.
There are lots of PC CRTs with really good coatings.
>he thinks analog to digital (with an adapter) adds no signal noise...
Digital to analog, moron. And that happens regardless if you're using an adapter or not.
You could even argue external DACs can be better for noise as the converter isn't inside your noisy PC.
In fact with a male-male vga piece you can completely eliminate the VGA cable and plug the DAC directly to the CRT - there's actually even adapters specifically designed to do this.
The picture you can get with CRTs is better now than ever before.
If you're arguing that LCDs don't have these issues at all, that's a different argument and preference. Many like the smoother gradients and lesser posterization of analog displays. Even fricking LTT noticed this.
>male-male vga piece
Sounds gay
>Digital to analog, moron.
let's just unpack this - just because
is relevant:
any crt with vga is ANALOG, any *modern* graphics adapter is DIGITAL
so, based on the pic I used the signal is going from a crt (ANALOG) to an hdmi connector (DIGITAL).
I think anon needs to change his refresh rate. That or improve his reading comprehension...
the best response the crtgays could come up with...
thinking something is obsolete because IQfy told you to.
>let's just unpack this
>he has no valid response
i wasn't the one arguing with you anyway
frick off touhou gay. you've been btfod, now have a nice day
Way to out yourself as a complete Black person monkey
backfire
coping hard. you've been ETERNALLY btfo touhou gay. now dilate
baka, you're the one who got btfo'd through your own stupidity
no, you were. you were destroyed by superior arguments and now are coping with "WELL AKSHUALLY I'M NOT THE ONE WHO POSTED THAT"
i'm not the marisa anon, moron
>B-BAKA! KONICHIWA FRIED RICE PIKACHU!
sure buddy. and why is that relevant to you, or whoever touhou gay is, being eternally btfo beyond redemption?
>signal is going from a crt (ANALOG) to an hdmi connector (DIGITAL).
What the frick?
I completely forgot your original picture, appears like a VGA->DVI-I/A adapter. It being a DVI->HDMI adapter wouldn't make sense, being a female jack.
But how does a signal go from a CRT to your computer? ??
>VGA->DVI-I/A
HDMI****
>from a crt (ANALOG) to an hdmi connector (DIGITAL)
>from <output device>
stop triggering me
As someone who has recently taken to playing games on a 4:3 gateway LCD monitor from 2002 I can assure you that gaming at 1024x768 on a 4:3 monitor is quite comfy.
Based Peanut Enjoyer
>show your crt's perfect black level then, zoomer.
if the blacks on this particular jpeg shows up as perfect blacks on YOUR crt, i gave bad news for you anon...its time for you get familiar an eyedropper tool in photoshop (or gimp, if you're a pedo)
>fumos
Ok, hon
>if the blacks on this particular jpeg shows up as perfect blacks on YOUR crt
I'm viewing that jpg on a LCD right now. Looks black to me.
Furthermore, I think 3 3 3 is a pretty good score. (I didn't use gimp because I can't be bothered to compile it right now)
>if the blacks on this particular jpeg shows up as perfect blacks
I bet this anon mistook his backlight bleed for grays in the picture
Make non-baity OPs. It's that simple.
We've had a dozen good threads past couple months.
zoom the pic on any current OLED phone and you can see its not perfect black. and its not camera noise, you can clearly see the shadow mask pattern in the near blacks. the point is, if you cant see the near blacks then its either:
1) your eye sight is fricked
2) your "perfect" black on your display is overcrushing the near-blacks
>you can clearly see the shadow mask pattern in the near blacks
It's called phosphor glow and happens when the nearest phoshors are hit by residual light from the ones close to it
in practice it's not noticeable, unlike disgusting IPS glow, backlight/edge bleed and blueish greys that affect every fricking LCD panel in existence, now use your color picker on picrel and see for yourself
>"Unfortunately, the Gigabyte M32U has just passable black uniformity. There's quite a bit of cloudiness throughout the screen, and significant backlight bleed along the top and bottom edge."
>Make non-baity OPs. It's that simple.
>We've had a dozen good threads past couple months.
We haven't had a single good thread in years, I've checked out most of them, even the ones I missed out on I've gone thru on the archive. It's all shitty zoomer shitposts and arguing. The zoomers not being able to ignore shitposts and constantly just re-posting the same few CRTs pictures of their has made these threads into unbearable garbage.
Yep, it is because all of the old CRTs gays have moved onto greener pastures.
Only youngsters are shitposting and arguing over the remaining merits of CRTs.
Based
CRT's sucked.
>Muh motion blur
>Muh """""""""""""""perfect""""""""""""""""""""" blacks
No one cares about your gay ass gaymer ass "motion blur". As for """"perfect"""" blacks, if your room was completely dark then maybe, but then you can't see near blacks. Frick off with your bullshit.
do you have an actual use case where you need something that crts have that no modern display tech offers?
>video game nostalgia does not count
that's literally my reason for using crts though
Playing retro games. Nothing to do with nostalgia, you can enjoy them even if you're not old, they haven't magically gotten bad just because time moved on.
even trinitron is shit and that's supposed to be broadcast quality.
crt's are obsolete, stop trying to change that.
lol trinitrons are aperture grilles and that's just a phosphor pattern
they'll be obsolete in 5-10 years when i estimate something better will be out
it's a real shame that thing doesn't strobe
>he didn't work in tv in the 80's and 90's
kid frick off with your nostalgia bred for something you've never really HAD to use.
i don't care about nostalgia, crts are better in certain ways than lcds and i find that useful
i do not give a shit if a monitor is 2 years old, 20 years old or 200 years old. i just like good monitors.
morons like him are why lcds still aren't fixed today
he doesn't care about objective metrics. he doesn't know why tubes were good then and he doesn't know why they're still good today. i've used a crt monitor basically daily since 2014 and at this point i won't game on anything else.
>i've used a crt monitor basically daily since 2014 and at this point i won't game on anything else.
muh youngest kid was 15 by then - she'd literally never seen a crt screen - because they're objectively shit.
I probably used crt monitors at work for longer than you've been alive.
You have no idea what you're talking about. You just thought LCDs were cool in 2005 and never learned anything further about the matter.
>You have no idea what you're talking about.
I worked in a broadcast studio for over 30 yrs. Tech quite literally went from black and white to trinitrons (which as anyone who has worked in tv in the past will tell you - used to be the epitome of broadcast quality)
just because you've been memed by IQfy doesn't mean you're an expert, smart or right.
>I worked in a broadcast studio for over 30 yrs.
So you should be able to tell me why I shouldn't care about viewing angles, black levels, motion clarity and multisync.
>just because you've been memed by IQfy
I've been a tube user long before I posted here. Seeing the board embrace them was pretty cool. People understand video a lot better today than they did even a couple years ago when we had all those moronic "you don't see in 4K" articles going around, which is great.
>because they're objectively shit.
you have no basis for this, because you're talking out your ass.
being old is no substitute for understanding display technology.
>I know everything and you're old so automatically know nothing
I used 3 different CRTs from 1994 until 2009. CRTs are shit.
Yep, NuCRT gays only have first-hand exposure to surviving high-end units not the typical example of mainstream example. It is because said units are already dead eWaste.
I've used CRTs for /vr/ for over 30 years now. What else am I supposed to use?
Let go of the nostalgia bug and move onto something else. Your youngster days aren't coming back no matter how hard you try.
Old ass CRT-gays have moved on and accepted reality.
As I said, I've used them continuously for 30 years, never stopped, it's not nostalgia.
You keep telling yourself that.
There are tons of superior options out there for the vast majority of use cases.
The only reason to hold onto CRT is entirely nostalgia.
>There are tons of superior options out there for the vast majority of use cases.
What superior options? Please enlighten me.
>You keep telling yourself that.
What would tell myself? I have a OLED monitor, TV, tablet and phone, none which are as good for /vr/.
Sure nostalgia is nice but it's not the reason I use CRTs for /vr/, there's simply no alternative.
>What superior options? Please enlighten me.
>"I have a OLED monitor, TV, tablet and phone, none which are as good for /vr/."
You are openly admitting that you are bewitched by the nostalgia bug. /vr/ is the epitome of it.
>You are openly admitting that you are bewitched by the nostalgia bug. /vr/ is the epitome of it.
>"new good, old bad"
moron, the whole entire old library of old-ass games are perfectly fine and playable on modern displays. (Protip: I'm one of those old-ass CRT gays)
The only reason you would opt for a CRT is to replicate your childhood memories as much as possible a.k.a classical case of nostalgia.
/vr/ is the epitome of nostalgia and this coming from somebody who still plays old-ass games.
Not anon, but of course it's playable, it's just a sub-optimal experience. Why would I pay more to dedicate a modern monitor for /vr/ just so I can have a worse experience?
>it's just a sub-optimal experience.
It is practically the same experience but the warmth of your childhood memories clouds things and your hyper OCD/autistic selves cannot accept it.
>crt is perfectly smooth at 60hz
Nope, it is a flickering mess. 60hz is objectively shit for motion accuracy.
>It is practically the same experience but the warmth of your childhood memories clouds things and your hyper OCD/autistic selves cannot accept it.
I never used CRTs as a kid. Still prefer them to LCDs.
Filters are just shit, without filters it's even worse and panels still have worse motion, latency plus good 4:3 OLED ones in decent sizes don't exist.
Show me the better option you've been talking about and give me an argument outside of "dude nostalgia lmao" please. I'm waiting, I don't have all day.
> "I WANT IT TO REPLICATE MY PRECIOUS CHILDHOOD MEMORIES AT 1:1 RATIO! NO EXCEPTIONS!"
You sound like an old ass boomers who insists on overpaying on audiophile non-sense in the vain attempt to revitalize their youth.
How are motion and latency related to nostalgia? I'd understand wanting it to look the same would be but even then, pixelated mess is just ugly, it's not nice to look at.
I'm starting to think you never played 240p content on a modern display.
>You sound like an old ass boomers who insists on overpaying on audiophile non-sense in the vain attempt to revitalize their youth.
Why would I pay for something that's free?
>still no actual argument
dude do you even try?
You sound like a moronic zoomer overpaying on a crt as a quirky prop for your ""watch me study jack shit for 420 hours"" livestream
>ask for a proper argument 3 times already
>only answers are literally just "it's just better, okay?"
>replicate your childhood memories
assuming you coming from boomer to millenials era, yeah.
for zoomers, its nothing but for their quirky ""aesthetic"" or obscure ""liminal spaces"" bullshit of discovering technology of bygone era. same with with their old web neocities homosexualry.
>the whole entire old library of old-ass games are perfectly fine and playable on modern displays.
Playable doesn't mean accurate or a good experience, they still have excessive motion blur.
>play game like developers intended (shitty consumer TV)
>nooo you're not supposed to do that
why? explain?
>the whole entire old library of old-ass games are perfectly fine and playable on modern displays
No, you cant due to how resolution and aspect ratio worked in older games. Only CRTs are capable of displaying a resolution at the proper 4:3 aspect ratio without getting shitty artifacts. Way to out yourself as a CRT LARPER.
You didn't give a single argument until now.
>There are tons of superior options out there for the vast majority of use cases.
In other words there are still some use cases where a CRT is ideal.
Thanks for making this easy.
No idea why he doesn't even mention any of those options.
Because they are tons of them. They are plenty of LCD and OLED units that outpace CRT in the vast majority of use cases even budget-minded SKUs.
You are living under a stone and haven't seen LCD since the early 2000 to still think CRTs are a desirable choice.
>haven't seen LCD since the early 2000
I have, they look like pic here
>They are plenty of LCD and OLED units that outpace CRT in the vast majority of use cases even budget-minded SKUs
Nice job outpacing CRTs, this is a 390hz 2021 display btw. Why dont you just admit there are little to no offerings that can BFI @60hz properly.
Uuumm okay?
What else? Post at least 5 more monitors that can do this.
Why are these images in 4K when the XG2431 is a 1080p monitor?
>Translation
"I've only used cheap-ass, bargain basement mointors from dumpster dives"
i own a 32" 10 bit 4k monitor you homosexual.
Dirt cheap too compared to 20+ year old crts.
My CRT was cheaper (1/5 the price) and does higher resolutions than that BenQ, plus it doesn't come with copious backlight bleed and crappy viewing angles like all gaymer LCDs do.
Go frick yourself in the ass to celebrate it now homosexual
>runs out of arguments and resorts to personal attacks
is this the power of liquid crystal derangement?
Arguing with crt trannies is waste of time. It's absolutely irrelevant if crt monitors has some benefits over lcd or not as they aren't being manufactured for 20+ years at this point. They're not coming back and they're not getting cheaper, more obtainable or reliable as the time goes by. It's a museum technology which fades out from existence as we speak. If I can't get FW900 for ~$600 max this is where the conversation ends as there's much better monitor options above this price point. Motion clarity isn't the ONLY thing which matters in monitor. Most people prefer at least 24"/27" 16:9 or even 21:9 as these are more comfy for productivity tasks and content consumption than ancient 19" 4:3. Brightness is also something crts (~100cd/m) can't even compete with modern displays measuring at 300-500cd/m which is a lot more usable in brightly lit conditions. Color gamut on crt is also limited to sRGB at best which lcd monitors has perfected a decade ago and moved on to a wider ranges. The fact you're clinging on a singular aspect of image quality only portraits your severe autism and lack of rational thinking.
>he thinks he needs more than srgb
>he thinks he can't have more than one monitor
>he thinks technology going backwards is ever acceptable
>straw man arguments
Typical troony mentality I guess
All I want you to do is understand what was lost so we can discard these awful sidegrades and start getting quality displays again.
This two-decade dark era is extremely depressing and I have no idea if my CRT will run for yet another decade.
If you aren't esports pro I'm struggling to see how
current ips motion clarity performance isn't enough for everyday computing and gaming. We're talking literally subpixel blur with no ghosting or overshoot here.
Are you kidding me? That looks fricking terrible compared to what my 2001 monitor can do at just 60Hz.
You need a 2500 nit backlight just to match CRT persistence.
>That looks fricking terrible
Actual autism.
>ooohhh I love crt pixels they're so soft compared to led almost like looking at painting
>noooo but not in motion!!11
I accept your concession.
What is this supposed to mean? That you ran out of arguments to claim why your dumb posts aren't stupid?
>You need a 2500 nit backlight just to match CRT persistence.
proof? I don't know why you're comparing peak 2.5k~5k phosphor brightness to being able to light up a whole screen to that brightness
CRTs barely do 300 nits on a good day of fullscreen brightness
>proof?
Has to do with strobing which reduces brightness. You're correct that tubes don't get higher than 300 nits, but the phosphors themselves glow at several thousand nits for a very short time.
2500 * (1/16.66) is approximately 150 nits.
Yeah so what's the point in claiming it's brighter than a 1200 nit OLED for example?
No, you just can't be bothered to even read because even in this thread I've already said that the only utility CRTs have is for vidya, and vidya only.
LCDs were literally designed for office work and they're great for that.
> I can't get FW900 for ~$600 max this is where the conversation ends
And then they try to bully me about paying 250€ for a monitor better than the FW900
>these are more comfy for productivity tasks
16:10 is the only productive aspect ratio
> modern displays measuring at 300-500cd/m
Keep in mind that your 500 nits with 1000:1 contrast ratio means your blacks are at ridiculous 0.5 nits.
>Motion clarity isn't the ONLY thing which matters in monitor.
Yea, we like good overall picture quality too, not your half-a-nit blacks that become 5 nits when viewed from the slightest angle thanks to IPS glow.
>Color gamut on crt is also limited to sRGB at best which lcd monitors has perfected a decade ago and moved on to a wider ranges.
First, there's absolutely zero utility for wide gamuts in a gaming monitor when absolutely all games worth caring about are sRGB.
Second, you're not a photographer, and even if you are, you're not printing your works, you're posting them on the interwebs where everything is sRGB.
Third, wide-gamut gaming monitors are particularly garbage at sRGB because they're gaming monitors. They have not been produced for color accuracy. Even their wide-gamut modes are usually quite all over the place. It's literally an oversaturation gimmick.
Fourth, actually color-accurate decent LCDs are absolute dogshit for anything interactive. You cannot eat your cake and have it too with LCDs either.
Fifth, monitors did not master sRGB. My decade old AdobeRGB Eizo monitor has an atrocious gamut and cannot cover anything properly. This is a late-game CCFL, once we switched to blue LEDs with yellow phosphors we went 5 years backwards in progress.
I hate wide gamut so much
That guy is a troony? Fricking disgusting, no wonder he posts those touhou pictures.
What has happened to CRT anons?
>NOOOO MY AUTISM UFO IS A LITTLE BLURRY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>pay over a grand for supposed instant response times
>it's still blurry
>he paid for a monitor
ishygddt
i guess laser projectors come close but they're even worse for lit rooms than crts, so meh
also inb4 microled, that's missing one of the best features: multisync
Laser DLP projectors are great but as you said ambient light kills them. It's really something you need to build an entire room around and understand quite well in order to get a good image.
Given we're heading towards absurd resolutions and refresh rates I don't think multisync is that big a deal anymore. Starting at around 16K you could nearest-neighbour scale anything arbitrarily and the pixels would be so small that you could never notice the errors.
>also inb4 microled, that's missing one of the best features: multisync
Actually overrated as hell.
The multisync of a CRT is far from ideal.
CRTs have a fixed pitch so for example a 240p or 480p on a High End PC CRT Monitor looks like emulator with fat scanlines.
With 8K+ Resolution you can emulate a variety of CRTs for each scenario you could want with a simple click.
This makes it superior to CRTs which could never hope to achieve such a feat.
Laser Scan Projection is dogshit because of the speckling issue and nobody working on it.
Laser DLP is just DLP with Laser backlighting and doesn't have most of the good stuff from Laser.
I can see Laser Diode Displays become a thing in the far future since Lasers offer:
>the widest color gamut
>the fastest possible response time(picosecond compared to a few nanonseconds for MicroLEDs)
And we still have NanoLED after MicroLED before we ever get there. But all in all I don't think you guys realize just how much of a big jump MicroLED will actually be for display technology.
Splitting hairs over picoseconds vs. nanoseconds is pretty pointless. MicroLED is so fast that you can already have any refresh rate you want with strobing and the works and it will never be an issue.
Gamut is also not that big a deal on even current displays, we can almost do 100% Rec. 2020 already.
Laser projection my stay around for very large displays, but I honestly don't think we will get something more optimal than microLED unless we somehow design an even better lighting technology. LEDs are even within an order of magnitude of perfect efficiency.
Yes I know.
The bigger reason for why they would ever use Laser Diodes would be the wider color gamut.
Quantum Dots and Laser have wider color gamuts and they could cover the future Rec 2100 standard which I don't think MicroLED can but that's far in the future anyways.
Also forgot CIE 1931 color space
The end goal is to match what the human eye sees in real life
>imagine using old, obsolete technology because IQfy told you to.
>imagine not using old and obsolete tech because IQfy told you to.
be ironic. everyday, forever.
>imagine thinking something is obsolete because IQfy told you to.
itt: zoomers get excited about boomer tech
>itt: zoomers get excited about boomer tech
why are dickheads who believe memeshit on 4chinz so fricking needy for validation?
Is this a daddy issues thing?
This is like those IQfy gays that think vinyl records sounds better than modern day shit.
Except we have evidence and industry-standard tests to prove what we're talking about.
https://www.testufo.com/photo#photo=toronto-map.png&pps=1440
You cannot read this map even on a 144hz gaming LCD. But on the shittiest 60hz CRT you can find, it's crystal clear even at double that speed.
I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make? That LCDs suffer from motion blur? Hoe does that impact me when I'm programming or browsing?
No-one said you should use a CRT for those tasks.
Use the best tool for the job, And for vidya CRTs are still the best tool for the job.
>crt user talking about jobs
240Hz ips displays are viable replacement. Motion blur is minimal and barely recognisable by human eye + colours and screen brightness are in another league compared to crt.
Yes I too enjoy bright IPS monitors and their excellent colors
Yeah, they're better than any CRT if you don't live in mommy's dark basement.
CRT is way worse in a lit room.
>240Hz ips displays are viable replacement. Motion blur is minimal and barely recognisable by human eye + colours and screen brightness are in another league compared to crt.
Here's how one of the best "gaming" monitors (Samsung Odyssey G7) according to Rtings fare in the motion blur department @60+BFI. Yikes...
how do these luddites plug the crts
>15 pin vga or at very best dvi
into their modern graphics cards
>hdmi, maybe dvi if they're a bit old & shit
>hurr durr - it's muh pristine..
>plugs in literal signal noise
you c**ts make /ppg/ gays look sophisticated.
>you c**ts make /ppg/ gays look sophisticated.
What if I'm both a CRTgay and a /ppg/ gay?
then just be thankful that you aren't an /edc/ poofta showing off the $300 pocket knoife you use to open envelopes.
To be fair, I'm not THAT big of a /ppg/ gay to spend hundreds on pens, or even worse, fountain pens. I use a Pilot V5 and I don't need more.
LG C1 OLED chad mogging everyone ITT, how do you do
>2022
>OP is still off his meds
CRTs still exist and cost next to shit, what's the problem?
>thread is literally the same 2 autistic CRT fricks and a bunch of people making fun of them and shitposting
doesn't seem like it
Sour grapes from not havers lol
How do we stop the zoomer infestation and bring back the comfy CRT threads?
You really can't, because the only people screeching about them are unironically youngsters that born after CRTs had ceased commercial production.
Old CRT-gays just don't really care anymore and have moved on.
>2022
>still no viable replacement
Being this deluded.
Sorry, sweatly. CRTs are obsolete museum pieces for the vast majority of use cases.They aren't coming back.
Not even fomer CRT-gays give a shit anymore. It is only newer generation of contrarian hipsters that are screeching over them.
just get yourself a plasma
it will last you until early oleds become ubiquitous enough to be dumpster dived
>300W power consumption
it's not like his current CRT is much better in that regard.
But it is. 21" CRT monitors are usually around 100W. Later CRT TV's were fairly efficient. My 29" CRT TV is rated at 100W. There's probably no CRT above 200W except for those fairly rare and gigantic 36" ones.
>still no viable replacement
idk, I have 3, 24 inch IPS panels at 144hz that are really nice for 1080p. I wouldn't be able to mount even one CRT the way I have mine mounted, and I would be stuck at a lower resolution.
> and I would be stuck at a lower resolution.
Many CRTs can do 1200p though, some 1440p and 1536p, that's a lot more than your 1080p.
>implying le olde CRT threads weren't just the same dozen rEtRoOmEr pictures over and over again
At least we produce new content
In 2000s CRT markets got flooded with cheap sub-par 19" 96khz monitors. They're super common and qualify as mid-low end, as they don't even have stable voltage regulation.
Looking at this thread the only flaw they can mention is worse light-rejection.
Not like LCDs look the best under lighting either
Your pictures have gotten little better, good job.
I paid 250€ for a GDM-F520 which is considered by many to be superior monitor to the GDM-FW900, possibly the best monitor ever made (ignroing the Eizo F980 for now ..).
And even then some anons without evidence claim my purchase was overpaying.
le olde CRT threads weren't just the same dozen rEtRoOmEr pictures over and over again
Nope.
>At least we produce new content
Less than in the old threads.
I doubt that.
Either way when I came here few years ago CRT posting was entierly dead.
>Less than in the old threads.
Then produce some.
I suspect the community here is a lot smaller than it used to be in your golden years of 2012, even after this shitposting revival it's having.
I've only ever seen >130khz unit in this whole country ONCE, and I own it now.
To be fair I only lurk listings and don't engage with whatever local community there may be, but for now I'm not aware of a single other >130khz unit here.
I've seen couple =130khz units and they've gone for 160-180 euro on AUCTION sites, so the market value here for these monitors is approximately that.
Seen 3 FW900's though, but all in pretty shitty or even dead condition.
Well you kinda made a mistake there buying so many garbage gaming monitors, understandable that you don't want to throw a single one away.
How would you want to mount a fricking CRT tho? inb4 you made more poor purchasing decisions and are using some thin ass ikea window sill as a desk
>Also, go back.
To where? I've been lurking various chans since I was fricking 13
>grainy quality that impacts image clarity from results from the nature of AG/SM array that starts to become noticeable at high resolutions (greater then 1600x1200)
He keeps repeating this but I've ever seen this effect on mediocre shadow masks. Even .30mm aperture grilles don't appear grainy at all. They just becomes quite soft at 1200p, though still resolves everything really well (thin single-color lines don't vanish like on SMs). Mode modern .24mm/.22mm AGs are extremely sharp even at ridiculous resolutions.
By waiting and putting up ads. I got my 300SF for free like that.
>Either way when I came here few years ago CRT posting was entirely* dead.
It wasn't, we just had one good thread once a month, since there isn't enough actual quality content and discussion to have a thread every other day.
So instead of having one good thread once a month, we have 15 shitty threads.
This, I miss the old retro threads
>Many CRTs can do 1200p though, some 1440p and 1536p, that's a lot more than your 1080p.
>Many
Thanks, but I can upgrade to 4K right now if I wanted, but the prices for 144hz at 4K are a bit too steep for my poor ass, and I would just be replacing perfectly good monitors anyways. Way to pick out only one issue I have with CRTs and ignore the rest. Also, go back.
>And even then some anons without evidence claim my purchase was overpaying.
Considering the amount of 130-140kHz monitors I've picked up over the last half a decade for free, I'd consider it overpaying and I'm from a pretty small country in Europe.
Your experience may vary though.
>In 2000s CRT markets got flooded with cheap sub-par 19" 96khz monitors. They're super common and qualify as mid-low end, as they don't even have stable voltage regulation.
Sure but it's all about context, is your 300SF low-end as well due to it being 85kHz? Is a GDM-W900 low-end because it's "only" 96kHz? It's just a spec that cant tell the whole story, and more often than not most mid/high monitors are 96kHz, in my experience.
I agree with all you're saying, and I was only talking about those cheap 00s units. Older monitors are a different story, the fastest monitors Sony had for most of 90s were 96khz afaik.
You can't really use khz at all for judging quality except at the extremes. Thus I usually tell new anons to just get the biggest monitor possible.
Why are you on IQfy if you don't enjoy the forced memes? CRT posting is a lot more sparse and innocent than a lot of the other bullcrap on this board.
>Why are you on IQfy if you don't enjoy the forced memes?
do zoomers really?
is it worth it to adda fan to your crt Monitor?
These things do get pretty hot
For longevities' sake, sure. Make sure it's on it's own small power supply thought straight from AC.
Something like those 220V AC to 5V DC adapters that you can velcro onto some other part and wire a fan up directly and attach it to ventilation holes on the case.
There were some CRTs that came with inbuilt fans. Might be an alright idea to add one, although it will probably speed up dust buildup compared to their usual convection cooling so keep that in mind.
I never used CRTs up to a few years ago and compared to my other displays, they are just better for retro games.
I've put fans in many of my CRT monitors, just helps to sleep better since I know how hot some of the components get. Just low speed though, inaudible.
Crts only shine when you are autistic about motion, however for me good motion is worth having a worse static image.
Ever wonder why crts can push 160hz yet it was never really advertised?
Its cause lcds suck and need to compensate with stupidly high refresh rates.
>Ever wonder why crts can push 160hz yet it was never really advertised?
Because PC gamers in the early 00's weren't morons that needed to be spoon-fed and could check out a spec sheet themselves?
comsumers have always been moronic, but an lcd is basically unusable at 60hz while a crt is perfectly smooth at 60hz
going a little higher to prevent flicker is a good idea though
See
>Crts only shine when you are autistic about motion
at low fixed frame-rates and variable resolutions which were commonplace when CRTs were the only option.
We aren't here anymore as a consequence CRTs have greatly been marginalized to point that they aren't worth their known faults (NuCRT pretend don't exist) in the vast majority of use cases.
>Because PC gamers in the early 00's weren't morons that needed to be spoon-fed and could check out a spec sheet themselves?
Oh sweaty, you have no idea.
>Oh sweaty, you have no idea.
I was 25 and used CRTs and play competitively in 2003. Everyone knew to use low resolution and high refresh rate, literally the dumbest kids even.
>My tiny niche of tryhards are representative of average user!
Ask anyone who was a big PC gamer from the time
see
if you mean PC gamers were a tiny niche, then what's the problem? the argument was that the only people who cared about high refresh rates were PC gamers at the time and those knew how to check
aka tiny niche
What flaws do crts actually have though?
They're fat as frick.
Besides that though, their flaws were pretty much ironed out on high-end units (ones with digital regional adjustments for convergence, geometry, focus, etc.). Deranged anti-CRT posters have probably never seen anything better than their old bargain bin 15" HP compaq.
>Nope, it is a flickering mess.
It's literally fine unless you stare at a mostly white screen for ages, like a light web page or document (something nobody shills CRTs for anyways). Most games are a mix of light and dark; stuff will be moving around and you'll be distracted from any flickery areas. Your eyes get used to it too, I used to be a lot more bothered by it than I am now, although I never thought it was as bad as you're making it out to be.
>60hz is objectively shit for motion accuracy.
This statement is objectively false, or at least very poorly worded. Even if your eyes are super extra sensitive to flicker, you would still see how much better the motion is at 60Hz on a CRT. You would just find the flicker overly bothersome on top.
>no proof
Ok boomer
inconsistent geometry for one. imagine having to manually set scale, rotation, skew, pincushion and a slew of other non-linear transformation on a display to get a perfectly square pixel. instead of true square pixel per rgb leds on modern display. and its not a set it and forget it thing either. the geometry will drift over time and if you actually work professionally in broadcasting or video production in the 90s/00s, you'll know that even travelling to different geographical location will also drift the geometry. fricking magnets man how do they work?
geometry doesnt drift unless you have dying capacitors.
I have seen many sets were colors have drifted but geometry not really
>Ever wonder why crts can push 160hz yet it was never really advertised?
It's cause it lowers the ""resolution"" of the image. Looks like dogshit.
Why do you think you CRTgays will never post a full video of a high res game? Because then we'd see the shutter.
It's like taking an already shitty jpeg and re-encoding it to be half the size but the same width and height.
low end crts can do 1200p at 75hz, seems decent to me
I'd hardly call 96kHz low end.
I would call 96khz low end, its 19' 96khz its the standard stuff you find more then anything else
Maybe where you live, here I see mostly 70kHz shitboxes that have been listed for months at low prices
19' 90+KHz are rare on ebay though
>Ever wonder why crts can push 160hz yet it was never really advertised?
Because average consumer cared about resolution and have short attention span. The second you mention "it does 160Hz at 640x480" in advertisement or package, they would pick the "SUPER NICE 1280x960 AT 60HZ" CRT instead.
Everyone else knew how to check up in the manual.
For me it's early 2000s era LCDs.
Just picked up a 14" ViewSonic from 2002.
>friend got win95 machine with crt in mid 90's
>after 2oO1 they replace new 'puter with ultra low quality lcd
the lcd was really really bad
I'm using mine for my home server, wall mounted. It was cheaper than anything I'd find on AliExpress or amazon
IQ is OK for what it is, 36 watt consumption is the only downside in my view
>For me it's some of the worst monitors ever sold
I keep hearing about crt flaws but whate actually are the flaws?
>small screen size
>voluminous and heavy (This what killed them for the masses)
>inferior ratio aspect
>imperfect screen geometry (Nu-CRT gays downplay this)
>prone to EMI
>the feed is at the mercy of the circuit quality of both monitor and input device.
>flickering mess under output under 75hz and it cannot be unseen once your visual cortex gets used to 85z or higher.
>grainy quality that impacts image clarity from results from the nature of AG/SM array that starts to become noticeable at high resolutions (greater then 1600x1200)
>needs frequent tweaking and calibration if you want accurate colors and minimize screen distortions (This what killed them in the professional graphical circuits)
>small screen size
not a flaw
>voluminous and heavy (This what killed them for the masses)
Doesnt reduce image quality and makes them more durable to blunt force
>inferior ratio aspect
16:9 crts are a thing, however 4:3 is just better
>imperfect screen geometry (Nu-CRT gays downplay this)
Just wrong 2000s crts have basically lcd level geometry
>prone to EMI
technically if you use a bad cable i guess
>the feed is at the mercy of the circuit quality of both monitor and input device.
Yes video quality is dependant on monitor and video card like every display device ever
>flickering mess under output under 75hz and it cannot be unseen once your visual cortex gets used to 85z or higher.
This is true. at 60hz crts are quite bad
>grainy quality that impacts image clarity from results from the nature of AG/SM array that starts to become noticeable at high resolutions (greater then 1600x1200)
Havent experienced that personally but possibly on coarse masks
>needs frequent tweaking and calibration if you want accurate colors and minimize screen distortions (This what killed them in the professional graphical circuits)
Not really a flaw, even brand new lcd monitors usually need to be calibrated for better color accuracy
>not a flaw
Yes, it is a flaw for immersion factor and use cases where increased screen size is a massive benefit
>Doesnt reduce image quality and makes them more durable to blunt force
You couldn't be more wrong. CRT are fragile as shit. I have seen and heard so many horror stores in CRT heydays.
>Just wrong 2000s crts have basically lcd level geometry
Pure 100% cope. CRT have flawed geometry, it is a fundamental limitation on how they work. Even high-end units aren't immune to it. They just throw into overscan portions of the screen
>Yes video quality is dependent on monitor and video card like every display device ever
Wrong, digital output makes circuit quality a mostly a mute point. It either works or it doesn't.
>Not really a flaw, even brand new lcd monitors usually need to be calibrated for better color accuracy
Professional graphical artist and videophiles disagree
Works on my machine, no calibration ever done
Only poor people and contrarian hipsters use CRTs.
Heres a crt playing a new game, its not only perfect for retro stuff
I'd rather have a big ultrawide screen for modern games, the immersion, resolution and refresh rate are better even when motion isn't.
beautiful blacks, anon. almost as beautiful as linus's fw900
depends on light amount
>how the frick is this acceptable?
Yes, glowie. The failure of newer screens to support TEMPEST properly is unacceptable.
How can I get a CRT for free?
by being african.
they literally use crts as stepping bridges to cross rivers.
imagine seeing Black folk stepping over a line of fw900s, that would make retroomers and zoomers seethe.
it makes me happy to see them poisoning their water with heavy metals
TRIGGER WARNING: CRT GORE
god, just imagine...somewhere there in the pic there must be a fw900 or even a 28hd96
african ingenuity.
what beautifull and smart people
'the windows era'
In this picture there's a GDM-F520 or similiar on the left
Can you put a red ring around it? Can't find it.
Here
No we didn't. Archives are there, prove me wrong.
>Wrong, digital output makes circuit quality a mostly a mute point. It either works or it doesn't.
You're so wrong. LCDs have so many and varying picture quality flaws. My eizo suffers from pixel walk, my samsung ips has diagonal scanlines (samsung is infamous for these now), etc. Even on IQfy you quite often see random threads complaining about their LCDs doing something strange.
>Professional graphical artist and videophiles disagree
Only the very top 0.1% of monitors come accurate OOB.
No high-refresh rate monitor does.
>Here
Not even remotely how a F520 look on the top.
Anon, I have an F520 right here.
And it looks exactly like in the pile picture.
Well, you're not exactly wrong about that.
Especially the more digital monitors like this one have some common and infamous flaws to them. But they're usually fixable.
You're so wrong. LCDs have so many and varying picture quality flaws.
You could say the same for CRTs, but NuCRT-gays simply pretend that their shit doesn't stink.
HAHAHA your monitor is so trash that nobody wants it but you still paid 250 bucks for it
I hope youre being bullied hard at school you pretentious snowflake Black person zoomerino. and I hope you wont see any
>muh viable replacement
and will continue to suffer for the rest of your life, fricking
>oh look at me Im so different and I know wots acceptable wots not and yall stoopid
c**t.
why are crtgays so obsessed with their shit? it's like homos pushing their agenda on everyone. just enjoy your crt and leave me alone
Because we keep giving them attention.
CRT Black folk btfo
NOOO YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG REEE
The only monitor that looks kinda like a CRT:
>TN
>can't run at 60hz
>90% sRGB coverage
>worse uniformity than a burned-in CRT
>500€
Thanks for proving our point
It's doing it right tho.
Originally I was posting that exact video to make points.
It sounds like 250€ is a lot of money to you. Are you poor?
Kys anti-CRT shill
Now do it at 60hz. You cant, right?
What's so special with 60Hz? It's an arbitrary artifact of the analog era.
120Hz+ on LCD simply feels better.
>What's so special with 60Hz?
Shitload of games and content that don't and will never support anything higher. We can and should keep pushing into the kilohertz range but we still need legacy support.
>Shitload of games
That's the compositor's job to double the frames on those, I'm yet to find a game that absolutely requires using 60Hz. Any examples?
>and content
Like what exactly? Playing videos at arbitrary refresh rates is a long solved problem.
No, you need to specifically support strobing at 60Hz. Unless you have a monitor with such a high refresh rate that you can do a very silly software BFI.
Answer the questions, don't deflect.
Nobody is talking about software BFI. My comment on the compositor was about running the display at 120Hz+ (with BFI if you will) and having the compositor simply double the frames from a 60Hz source (a game or w/e "content" requires it). This will result in the same clarity as the 240Hz display you originally replied to.
>My comment on the compositor was about running the display at 120Hz+
This will cause double-strobing artifacts, no good.
It is brighter when we compare an equivalent strobe, Hitler.
No it won't. For 120Hz display you output 120FPS with the compositor displaying the frame from 60Hz twice. This is not rocket science.
If anything it will improve clarity because it will strobe twice.
>For 120Hz display you output 120FPS with the compositor displaying the frame from 60Hz twice.
See
this causes artifacting.
>If anything it will improve clarity because it will strobe twice.
Absolutely wrong, use your fricking peanut brain for a sec.
Your eyes move smoothly while the object stays still and is flashed twice. This leads to a double image like this
On a non-strobed display it would just be a smear, because the object is not moving for 1/hz seconds, while your eyes are. On a single-strobed display, the flash appears in the exact same spot on your retina, so it looks crystal clear, like things in reality look.
It may be little arbitrary but it's a good cutoff for animation smoothness* (different from motion smoothness, with animation I mean things that cannot be visually tracked, like legs of a video game character).
You'd also be surprised how responsive and smooth things look on a 60hz CRT. Needing to push framerates is a brute-force way to compensate for shortcomings of modern displays.
* phantom array effect still applies tho
Fix your replies
>Still waiting for the examples of "content" that absolutely requires 60Hz.
All video
All 2d games
All old games
Any newer game that you don't have the hardware to run at high freq
etc
I see them once or twice a month here, very common
>Your eyes move smoothly while the object stays still and is flashed twice. This leads to a double image like this
In my method it doesn't, you misunderstand the issue on that screenshot. If this was the case then static images with BFI would give you nausea.
>It may be little arbitrary but it's a good cutoff for animation smoothness
But it's not. Media is released at frame rates indivisible with 60Hz. So if you're not running at native refresh 23.976Hz most content is you're getting artifacts in some form.
>You'd also be surprised how responsive and smooth things look on a 60hz CRT.
I don't need to be surprised, I am old enough to have worked with amber mono displays and lived through all generations after.
>All video
False, almost no old video is 60fps. Modern ones are, but not movies, and those work better on 120+
>All 2d games
False.
>All old games
Mostly false.
Again, concrete examples of games requiring absolutely exclusive fullscreen 60Hz modes please. Any game that can be windowed or borderless fullscreen will be handled by the compositor.
Bonus: Windows 10 deprecated support for exclusive fullscreen and is emulating it for old games on newer WDDM.
>almost no old video is 60fps
A lot of old video is 60i interlaced.
>It is brighter when we compare an equivalent strobe, Hitler.
It's not, strobe just cuts the brightness in half. Half of 1200 is still 600, twice of 300.
>doubling frames
Leads to a double image (on strobed displays)
Anon, you don't understand. 60fps content looks like dogshit on modern monitors. CRTs do not have this issue and their motion looks crystal clear regardless of refresh rate.
CRTs also have a lot of limitations that were already described in this thread.
The "60Hz or death" is a stupid requirement for many reasons.
That 240Hz with BFI will look way better than a CRT even for 60Hz content - just quadruple the source.
Wrong, it'll look like dogshit
You don't understand what happens in . My solution results in the last part of that image - frame rate = Hz.
No, it doesn't, see above.
Still waiting for the examples of "content" that absolutely requires 60Hz.
>No, it doesn't, see above.
Well you can pretend that it doesn't but you'd still be wrong.
I don't need to pretend, I know it doesn't because I do it all the time.
>That 240Hz with BFI will look way better than a CRT even for 60Hz content
No, not yet at least.
>CRTs
Flickering mess
60hz is objective shit for motion clarity.
repeating the same drivel over and over doesn't make it true
Sorry, that your visual cortex is deficient.
repeating buzzwords doesn't make you right either
Keep seething and cope that you are on bottom end of the curve. I'm surprised that you aren't legally blind.
My vision is good enough to pick out individual pixels on a UFO moving 1200 px/s on my CRT.
>60hz
>artifact
I swear sub-80 IQlets like you should be gassed.
>you have to be poor to not throw away money
do zoomers really have this mentality?
I know you're just a troll, but there already have been buy listings for this exact monitor that offer MORE than I bought it for. Monitors lesser in specs get consistently close to this price in auctions too.
And market value aside, the amount of utility I get out of this monitor is well worth the price, I never have to worry about buying a gaming monitor ever again. The F520 objectively beats them all.
Just for the shitposting it's been worth it lmao
>throws away money and calls others poor
>thinks shitposting is good
yep zoomer indeed
>zoomer
I wish I was younger, anon
Yes I'm a video playing zoomer, how did you know?
You don't need to be an esports pro to enjoy crisp visuals. Good motion just looks very nice.
That in comparision looks like dogshit, and at 60hz (usage: any 2d game or video) it becomes orders of magnitude worse.
>ooohhh I love crt pixels they're so soft compared to led almost like looking at painting
Things nobody on IQfy has ever said.
Maybe in /vr/ where they use CRT TVs, but CRT monitors are way too sharp for that.
What kind of troony could lift a 35kg CRT monitor?
luv me cute 2hus simple as
Fricking MicroLED is taking so long to come out
So the only people falling for the reddit nostalgia baiting (cause they have to get a return on their investment) are trannies/anime posters. Neat. Grass green, sky blue.
touhou
is
not
anime
These Black folk legit blind if they think crt to lcd hasn't been released by oled
Ah yes compare a first gen oled monitor to a 10th gen crt
They do cost the the same accounting for hyper rapid inflation but the oled is larger and less eye rape
Ill continue to enjoy lcds and oled mate you have your fish bowl
A black and white CRT from 1927 would still most likely have better motion, assuming the phosphors aren't too slow.
"First-gen OLEDs" are what you can go out and buy right now, moron.
u r in NINETEENTWENTYSEVEN crash with ur bitcoin ponzi u worthhless idiots
>u r in NINETEENTWENTYSEVEN crash with ur bitcoin ponzi u worthhless idiots
Coiners are like crtrannies their brain damaged
reports the last crash .. the crashes before (major ones) were "5 minute crashes" .. this one cruised slowly down over hours. this is ALL ENGINEERED. why? what determines the price? nothing a committee determines the price
>Ah yes compare a first gen oled monitor to a 10th gen crt
that OLED came out this year you moron, there's nothing newer for me to even compare to
Hay gaygit did you miss the part where I said first gen oled MONITOR you dense frick? It's also the first gen ultra wide monitor as well it's tuned for gayman and not picture quality. Hence the dogshit 8bit 165hz od and not running it at 12bit 60-120hz which apparently drastically improves color and shit.
Technically yes there where smaller oled monitors but they where terrible and now what I'd consider apples to apples comparisons
>it's tuned for gayman and not picture quality
Gayman benefits the most from good motion clarity. The fact it's a monitor specifically for gayman, but it gets beaten by decades-old office CRTs in one of the most important game-related metrics, is an embarrassment.
>Gayman benefits the most from good motion clarity.
No, high refresh rate and FPS. I'd pick 360Hz 500 FPS over 120Hz 500 FPS any day, even if the first has worse motion and picture quality. There's really no games that require better motion clarity than what good displays already do, even if they don't have very good motion clarity.
>It's omay if everything is blurry as frick so long as there's more (blurry) frames!
room temperature IQ take
No I just own both good CRT and monitor, the difference isn't big enough for me to disregard the refresh rate and latency. Specially since I don't have to run at 1200i or 600p which even with better motion clarity on the CRT often just looks worse than the worse motion on the display.
>good CRT
>1200i or 600p
lmfao
FRICK OFF WITH YOUR NOSTALGIA SHIT
STOP USING C
VDUS WERE HEAVY PLASTIC HOT JUNK
WINDOWS XP WASNT EVEN THE GUI IT WAS AN UNREALISED PIECE OF SHIT 'TINYFS' NOT EVEN AN OS
FRICK OFF WITH THIS SHIT STOP THESE IDIOT THREADS.
>oled/qled is pretty good at making perfect blacks like a crt
>ASBL fricks with the whites to a point of grey
>can't be disabled only minimized
one step forward 5 steps back
At least there's reason to believe OLEDs can and will be fixed. If it was going to happen with LCDs it would have ten years ago.
exactly, lcd were never meant to be fixed, they were made as a cheap replacement to bulky crts. the tech was iffy at best, but even to this day it's such a shit tech that can't be fixed, least with OLED you can have feature improvements or updated screens with qled
LCD replaced these pieces of crap in 2004. Why would even need this when modern IPS panels are better in every way?
but it's far from being better in every way, read the thread
Cope. Name one CRT that can display in 4K widescreen. Simply not having ghosting (which is irrelevant on IPS) is not worth the extra cost, weight and loss of desk space.
>Name one CRT that can display in 4K widescreen.
Pretty much any 140kHz CRT can do 3840 x 2160 at 60Hz, you'll just have black bars on the top and bottom, I'd do a 4:3 aspect ratio instead of widescreen.
>black bars
So it can't do ti then.
>but what about 4:3 playback
Not the same as using a desktop. Also CRT can only go up to 1600x1200 anyway.
>you need more?
Yes.
3840x2160 is abit more then 1600x1200
>So it can't do ti then.
It can. Proper 2160p.
>Also CRT can only go up to 1600x1200 anyway.
You asked about 4k. It can do 3840x2160 60Hz, that's a 132kHz mode, not hard for any CRT above that, like 137kHz.
>>you need more?
>Yes.
I didn't ask that. You asked if it does 4k.
I want NATIVE 4K as in no black gay bars. I want to be able to utilize the full screen with no squished pixels to make it look worse than if you had simply stuck to the native 1280x1024.
Then I'm afraid you have look somewhere else, if widescreen 4k is an absolute requirement for you. You should have known not to make such a dumb request in the first place. Why are you looking at CRTs anyway? We never said these are good productivity.
the only reason to click on these homosexual threads is to steal all the anime pics
Its native with black bars, better to think of a crt as a mini projector you can use less then the complete crt and the image still wont be squished or have artifacts.
You can do native 4:3 2160p and utilize the whole screen.
That's not 4K though. I want to be able to watch my 4K blu-rays on my monitor and that requires at least 3840 horizontal pixels. Yeah sticking to my IPS screen. I could care less about black level autism.
Then do 3840x2160? You'll have black bars anyways since the blu-ray is widescreen.
Even on a 4k 16:9 or 16:10 screen you'll have black bars watching 4k blu-rays.
>You'll have black bars anyways since the blu-ray is widescreen.
That's fine granted the display is actually 16:9. On a 4:3 CRT it will just look like I'm squinting.
>That's not 4K though.
Neither is 16:9 3840x2160, that's UHD
4K is 4096x2160
See, you're not the only one who can be a pedantic homosexual
>paying for crts
do people really? just wait until you get a cheap offer. I almost ripped off a guy with a Trinitron,. only offered 10€ kek. but he pulled out for some reason.
my eizo flexscan F563? free. guy just wanted to get rid of his old ass monitor.
Time is money, anon. Especially when dealing with the absolute best CRTs ever made, you cannot be too picky about the couple if any opportunities you'll ever get.
I've myself got really nice CRTs for free and cheap, but these monitors are in a different league.
>If this was the case then static images with BFI would give you nausea.
In static images your gaze is also static, so the flashes appear at the same place every time. Nothing strange here.
>In my method it doesn't,
What is your method? Interpolation?
>But it's not. Media is released at frame rates indivisible with 60Hz. So if you're not running at native refresh 23.976Hz most content is you're getting artifacts in some form.
Jitter is another topic, film being 24hz has nothing to do with my argument with animation smoothness. 24hz is never smooth.
>but not movies, and those work better on 120+
Are you interpolating again or what the frick?
For 24hz content there's nothing that you can do apart from eliminating jitter. It'll always be choppy.
24hz content looks the same regardless if you're displaying it at 72hz or 144hz, on sample&hold displays.
>>All 2d games
>>All old games
>False.
Name one, and I'll name you 5 that are locked.
>Any game that can be windowed or borderless fullscreen will be handled by the compositor.
What the frick are you doing with the fricking compositor? Interpolation?
Yea there are several CRT monitors that can run at 2160p.
bars
>So it can't do ti then.
it's still 3840x2160p even if you have black bars
>Also CRT can only go up to 1600x1200 anyway.
Wrong, my F520 is designed to do 2048x1536p85hz. It can do 2160p60 too just fine, CRTs don't have locked resolutions.
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/230552/Sony-Gdm-F520-Marketing.html
morons just because its flat doesnt mean its better.
Ferraria F40 is still better then a mini even if its heavier and requires more fuel and maintenance
I wish I could just kill all the moronic anti-CRT shills in this thread.
>been hearing people shill CRTs for years
>every time I hear about it I think about hooking up a Trinitron that's in a box in a closet just to see what it's good for
>never do
Good for /vr/, simple as.
bro stop coping just get a new monitor with 144Hz
Those literarily shot electrons at the screen.
Weird that such high technology came beroe lcd
Buy NEC high end display and stop crying.
I did. It's glorious.
You're welcome.
nice wallpaper, mind posting it?
Original is too big to upload here https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/84629237
You're only embarassing yourself.
Look at the timings of these posts
There's no way I could have written that post and found an appropriate reaction image in a minute.
Also while it's amusing it exactly matches the 1 minute post ratelimit, I don't think it's possible to get the delay exactly down to the minute. For a post to get through from the same IP it should have at minimum bit over a minute of delay.
Also I'm a fricking avatargay I don't post wojacks, and if I do, they're touhou themed
Anon I've actually been btfo'd couple times in a couple threads, but this aint it
And I'm still here regardless
>he wrote an entire paragraph to consensus crack me accidentally tagging somebody
holy shit, cope harder touhou gay
>I'm a fricking avatargay
you know what to do jannies
>holy shit, cope harder touhou gay
No argument? I guess you got BTFO'd
>you know what to do jannies
Sometimes I wonder, why have they let me do this for so long? Are they lazy or am I just amusing enough to keep around?
jannies dont visit these threads, ever
pity - there's no way this steaming pile of shit should have reached bump limit
They do come to censor ran-gays disgusting ass koikatsu screenshots etc degeneracy, but never touch me.
>LCD cucks get shit on by past and future technologys.
Based
>OLED is an upgrade to LCD in every way why are we arguing about lcds?
There's like 1 OLED consumer monitor that actually exists, rest are TVs or 5-figure BVMs
the TVs are pretty good the downside is just that they are TV sized.
Pretty damn nice for movies and games and HDR is very impressive
Yea they're so far the closest thing we've ever had to something that could replace CRTs.
Too bad their BFI has supposedly only got worse since 2020.
Their BFI wasnt real BFI anyways, they have a setting for low medium or high BFI which doesnt make any sense, if it was actual full black frame insertion
(Why dont they just implement that properly anyways should only take a small software update)
>Their BFI wasnt real BFI anyways
It is, you seem to not quite understand what BFI means in this context. The black "frames" being inserted aren't strictly the same duration as regular frames, like they would be using a hacky (and inferior, unless you had a VERY fast refresh rate) software implementation.
The longer the black frame duration (and, consequently, the shorter the regular frame duration), the less motion blur will be seen by your eyes.
For example, at 100Hz (10ms between each new real frame) it could be like this:
>Frame 1 shown for 2ms
>Black "frame" shown for 8ms
>Frame 2 shown for 2ms
>Black "frame" shown for 8ms
Repeat 98 more times, and you've got a second of strobed display output.
"Low", " Medium" and "High" just adjust the ratio of real frame duration to black frame duration. "Low" may mean 4ms real and 6ms black, while "High" means 2ms real and 8ms black.
(The actual durations will depend on the display, I'm not sure if any available OLEDs can go as low as 2ms frame persistence, but it's theoretically possible).
Okay homosexuals, if CRTs are just superior in every way, why aren't they made anymore?
>arguing over technicalities
Im just gonna use the display that looks best (crt and OLED)
LCD cucks get shit on by past and future technologys.
OLED is an upgrade to LCD in every way why are we arguing about lcds?
frick i have pic rel in basement, this shit weights like 60 pounds tho, wonder if still works
you have to throw your old rubbish away klepto
i bought a dimension xps t600 and left its matching display behind
how bad did i frick up?
i left the fricking most valuable piece behind bros
>pic
>they're all P780's
Not coincidence? You know the exact model and it actually is the 17" version of P1110?
He actually left a high end 17" Trinitron behind anons. It's 85khz too.
At least it wasn't a P991 or the P1110, I guess
A dell monitor? What color and shape was it? Was the CRT flat, how big was it?
The Dell P1110 and it's smaller brothers are my favorite CRTs by looks, if you left one behind, you really fricked up.
Oh you did leave a old beige Dell behind, didn't you?