Why did Russia take the anti-Western route after 1991?
Could there have been a timeline where Russia joined NATO and the EU?
>25 years ago
Why did Russia take the anti-Western route after 1991?
Could there have been a timeline where Russia joined NATO and the EU?
>Could there have been a timeline where Russia joined NATO and the EU?
No. There was far too much bitterness over their loss of World Power status.
Lmao
The whole point of nato is to antagonize Russia
The whole point of NATO is to defend Europe against the USSR. Lately more and more people started questioning whether there is a point to keeping NATO around in the 21st century, however looks like Russia was intent on proving to those people that there still is a necessity for the alliance
I really like the Germany Russia comparison. Germany is a good example how a nation that owns up to their mistakes can rejoin the international community and become close partners with the people that they have wronged only a few decades prior.
Imagine a Germany that would still be mad about losing WW2 today.
This person has monkeypox and molests 10 year old boys.
Or to keep the Soviet Union from gobbling up neutral countries, as it did enjoy doing.
>Nooooo you can't just liberate the proletariat
The whole point of nato is to make sure Russia doesn't do what it's presently doing to Ukraine. Nice narrativization though.
because that would require giving a shit about something -- the west, nato or eu -- that is or was never russian
Imagine selling your whole country for McDonald's and Coca-Cola and only after that realising the deal was shit. The Russians have only themselves to blame, naturally, but they'll never acknowledge that, their ego is too fragile. It's much easier to shift the blame on the West.
Patrice Lumumba University student spotted
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-mar-24-mn-20482-story.html
>Russian Prime Minister Yevgeny M. Primakov, on his way to Washington in the hope of winning billions of dollars in aid, turned around over the Atlantic and returned home Tuesday after it became apparent that NATO airstrikes against Yugoslavia were imminent.
Another point:
Seeing this video I wonder if Putin ever imagined he'd be in the situation he is right now 3 decades later
>Russians pretending to give a frick about Yugoslavia's wellbeing after spending decades crying about Tito
They were (and are) deadly afraid that after Yugoslavia they will be next. There were hints at the time that the west seeks to create a Baltic Sea-Black Sea line to isolate Russia from respective waters, on top of promoting ideas of secession among various ethnic groups, unwarranted even, with no support from locals.
>They were (and are) deadly afraid that after Yugoslavia they will be next.
Dunno why, it already happened to them and they did it to themselves.
Russians are a relatively culturally young and unstable people. Blaming le west for everything is a lot more fun and soothing than admitting the USSR’s inherent inefficiencies and massive military spending caused its collapse
NATO explicitly exists as a way to curb Russian power in Europe. That would be counterintuitive.
>Why didn’t the Allied Powers let Hitler join?
Isn't it easier to prove Russia is innocent and a peaceful country?
Since 1991, Russia just keeps showing why must NATO exist.
NATO caused wars in Georgia and Moldova right after the collapse.
yeah, i remember when south ossetia under russian occupation held elections and the pro-russians chimped out and nulled the results when they lost, lmao.
Except Germany did quite literally join the Allies after it was defeated. The difference here was that Russia was defeated but could not accept it and eventually turned into the largest rogue state in the world.
>rouge state
Kids if you see anyone use this word then run, it's a way for gay pedophiles to identify each other.
>Why didn’t the Allied Powers let Hitler join
They would have if he immediately antagonized Russia and called on the west for support instead of seething over WWI and carrying out a war based on outdated military doctrine even by 1940s standards. Americans had favorable views of fascists in the 1920s and early 30s. You are moronic.
Joining the EU would require adhering to some regulations and oversight that most Russian political leaders would likely refuse out of pride or genuine corrupt self interest.
If the Brits were too prideful to be in the EU, imagine Russia having to play equal with Estonia or Latvia at the EU Council. They're too big, too populous, and the memory of being a superpower too fresh in their minds to really work with a Union filled with little microstates who viciously defend their Veto power and privileges to act as equal members.
Germany and France can handle it because they understand that they need the EU to have any future, but Russia is big enough on its own to lend a confidence to Russian leadership that they should, by right, not be subject to such degrading equality with lesser nations.
That's like asking why Russians supported communism even though it's a moronic and counter productive ideology.
Impossible
Russia would cry that Germans control them. For example Hungary or Poland are crying that Germany hates them and doesn’t give them money
The answers to this thread are based entirely on popular sentiments and not on geopolitical realities.
In no way was the idea that Russia would join the EU in the 90's laughable or outlandish. The thing is with these instutions that they extremely sluggish and dependent on beauraucracy and existing trade deals. But a lot of it was going to be amendent especialy considering the importance of natural gas and other resources Russia posseses that are of vital strategic importance to europe.
During the early 2000's a lot of eastern countries became part of the EU in fast track process including Poland and Hungary. These countries passed similar "shock economic therapy" like Russia. The difference is that Russia after the Yeltsin years did not strive for a restrured economic model but rather redistributed the now privatized public sector into a small group of oligarchs.
Even with that Germany and Putin adopting an antogonistic attitude towards USA and NATO , most european countries kept economic relations with Russia as normal , until the war in Ukraine.
>During the early 2000's a lot of eastern countries became part of the EU in fast track process including Poland and Hungary.
I mean, it took them ten years. I wouldn't call it exactly fast.
>The actual process of integrating Poland into the EU began with Poland's application for membership in Athens on 8 April 1994, and then the confirmation of the application by all member states in Essen from 9–10 December 1994.
With how long some of the current candidates have been on the waiting list, it's a pretty fast accession, by modern standarts. Going from communist countries to full fledged EU members in 15 years.
Compare that to the west Balkans or Turkey.
Altough prior entries into ECC were faster, they also didn't need to overcome as many hurdles.
If they focused building good relations with the western soviet block countries. Even if it meant paying reparations or whatnot. Poland and Baltics are the only westernish countries who understand how Russia works and could help them get on track.
It was western for much of the 1990s.
Yeltsin and George Soros fricked the economy and overthrew the legitimate government in 1993.
When Putin came around, they had somebody they could have confidence in.
The US needs an ennemy to justify its military spending, so they probably weren't going to let it happen.
>The US needs an ennemy to justify its military spending
>Russia at aggressive war with neighbors every year since 91 except 98
>Russia at aggressive war with neighbors every year since 91 except 98
>USA at war for 90% of its lifetime
>USA also funding the collapse of democratically elected leaders
>USA at war for 90% of its lifetime
Does that figure come from that one shitty inforgraphic that is very liberal about what counts as "being at war?". Where stuff like anti piracy actions or sending a military attache counts?
When has Russia ever fought a war of aggression, or even the Soviet Union or the Russian Empire for that matter? I guess the Russian empire did go whoop the Ottomans a few times but other than that every Russian war has been defensive since the Napoleonic era.
Hungary? Czechoslovakia? Finland x2? Poland?
>russian loses the argument and instantly thinks of gay sex and pedophilia
classic
It's not my fault the only defenders that NATO imperialists can find are all gay pedophiles.
You sure showed them anon
Russians like to project their own faults onto others. CP is legal in russia and has the highest gay Aids numbers, what a degenerate shithole
Because apparatchiks and siloviki want to cling onto their privileges and money and thought that selling all national assets to Pepsi and KFC would bring back their privileged status like in the Union.