then what you are saying is that the significant is a thing, although the signified is not a thing, since a thing is an entity that has being, actions are not entities, they are motions i.e changes in the state, position, modality etc of entities.
If a thing is, it seems common sense enough that it is somewhere, that is, it has location. It is also common sense that it has a shape.
The shape of an abstract concept is some sort of neurological structure, just like the shape of an algorithm on a hard drive is going to have some physical structure within the drive's platters.
" 1 Those are corporeal which in their own nature are tangible, such as land, slaves, clothing, gold, silver, and others innumerable.
2 Things incorporeal are such as are intangible: rights, for instance, such as inheritance, usufruct, and obligations, however acquired. And it is no objection to this definition that an inheritance comprises things which are corporeal; for the fruits of land enjoyed by a usufructuary are corporeal too, and obligations generally relate to the conveyance of something corporeal, such as land, slaves, or money, and yet the right of succession, the right of usufruct, and the right existing in every obligation, are incorporeal." (Justinian, https://www.gutenberg.org/files/5983/5983-h/5983-h.htm#link2H_4_0030)
So, abstract things are "incorporeal things" (but really corporeal parts of brains). So, "running" is an incorporeal thing, but "the running man" is a corporeal thing, that is, a man that is running. But you never have "running" in itself, just like you never have right in itself, you have "the right to inherit the castle." The right is incorporeal, the castle, corporeal.
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>So, abstract things are "incorporeal things" (but really corporeal parts of brains). So, "running" is an incorporeal thing, but "the running man" is a corporeal thing, that is, a man that is running. But you never have "running" in itself, just like you never have right in itself, you have "the right to inherit the castle." The right is incorporeal, the castle, corporeal.
The running man is a wave, the stationary man is a particle.
When it is said there are 'things that exist that are absolutely only waves', it is saying, there is a man that exists that cannot stop running, he needs no rest, he cannot be made to sit still.
Then it may be said: there is a difference between this running man and this sitting still man, the non stop runner is a different style of entity, and it truly exists with the qualities it does.
But compare and ocean to a still pond, compare a still pond to one with a pebble tossed in, compare that to a pond with 1000 pebbles tossed in, compare that to pebbles tossed in on one side while pebbles are tossed in on the other, compare that with a boulder being dropped in the pond, compare that with a wall being put up cutting the pond in half, compared with the pond frozen in winter, compared to it boiled by geothermal vents, compared to an asteroid impacting , the pond. Might the EM field if not all, have some loose equivelents?
By physics we would say, "the water has those properties because it inherits them from electromagnetic waves." Here, we witness the surface of nature, calling it poetic, and gloss over what makes it so.
Yes, there are only particles of h20 moving in a body of water forming waves, the water is not inherently composed of waves, waves are an emergent property of water in motion.
Imagine Reality is the exact way it is. There is no arguing with it, we must submit, whatever way Reality is out there, that's the way it is.
It just so happens it seems we have very good reason to believe, now get this, get a load of this, imagine this; stuff exists in reality that we can't see.
Damnit, it couldn't have been made easy for us Truth seekers could it have.
Reality = Reality
Reality = True
Our total vision/knowledge/understanding = not the total True
We can't see light travel (funny considering all we've ever seen is light).
It travels so much faster than everything else, not just a little bit , not just a lot of bit, much much.
We cannot see how it moves through space; though detections, experiments, theories, have deduced probable appearences.
When I first saw that animation o wiki of the 90 degree angles electric makes magnetic makes electric makes magnet I almost had a nervous breakdown, maybe I did an am still suffering it, one of the craziest things ive seen in my life,..you'd think if something moved so fast, by far the fastest, it wouldnt have time to do all that hurky jerky stuff.
The other big thought that comes; THE ACCELERATION OF AN ELECTRON PROPAGATES EM RADIATION; BEFORE THAT EM RADIATION IS PROPAGATES; WHERE IS IT? THIS IS A OR THEE KEY QUESTION, AREA, LINE, ZONE, FAMILY OF QUESTIONING.
YOU CAN TAKE AN ELECTRON AND WAVE IT UP AND DOWN FOR MINUTES OR HOURS, AND EM RADIATION WILL BE WAVING AWAY FROM IT?
PRIOR TO THE ELECTRON BEING WAVED, RIGHT WHERE THE ELECTRON WILL BE WAVED, WHAT IS THE STATE OF EM RIGHT THERE? JUST AS THE ELECTRON IS ABOUT TO BE WAVED, AND STARTING, AJD STARTING, WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE EM FIELD THERE?
AND THEN WAVING THE ELECTRON UP AND DOWN UP AND DOWN; IS JUST PROPAGATING AND PROPAGATING EM RADIATION AWAY FROM IT?
If you take an electron and wave it up and down in one location 10,000 times, it will propagate away from its body EM radiation thoughout that activity, yes?
Where is that EM radiation that propagates coming from? Where and in what form is it in the moment before and leading up to the initial electron movement?
Key question here, key question here, someone smart is required, someone very smart to zone JGiB4847 sector 766Jhh weee-woo wee-woooo alert alert alert key question has been discovered, awaiting important answering
A thing is not a thing. It is something your mind does.
>a thing is not a thing, it is some... thing
The state of this board, I swear.
is "running" a thing? Is "cooling" a thing? Is "speaking" a thing?
Abstract concepts are things, yes.
Only materialgay dimwits think otherwise.
then what you are saying is that the significant is a thing, although the signified is not a thing, since a thing is an entity that has being, actions are not entities, they are motions i.e changes in the state, position, modality etc of entities.
>Abstract concepts are things, yes.
If a thing is, it seems common sense enough that it is somewhere, that is, it has location. It is also common sense that it has a shape.
The shape of an abstract concept is some sort of neurological structure, just like the shape of an algorithm on a hard drive is going to have some physical structure within the drive's platters.
" 1 Those are corporeal which in their own nature are tangible, such as land, slaves, clothing, gold, silver, and others innumerable.
2 Things incorporeal are such as are intangible: rights, for instance, such as inheritance, usufruct, and obligations, however acquired. And it is no objection to this definition that an inheritance comprises things which are corporeal; for the fruits of land enjoyed by a usufructuary are corporeal too, and obligations generally relate to the conveyance of something corporeal, such as land, slaves, or money, and yet the right of succession, the right of usufruct, and the right existing in every obligation, are incorporeal." (Justinian, https://www.gutenberg.org/files/5983/5983-h/5983-h.htm#link2H_4_0030)
So, abstract things are "incorporeal things" (but really corporeal parts of brains). So, "running" is an incorporeal thing, but "the running man" is a corporeal thing, that is, a man that is running. But you never have "running" in itself, just like you never have right in itself, you have "the right to inherit the castle." The right is incorporeal, the castle, corporeal.
>So, abstract things are "incorporeal things" (but really corporeal parts of brains). So, "running" is an incorporeal thing, but "the running man" is a corporeal thing, that is, a man that is running. But you never have "running" in itself, just like you never have right in itself, you have "the right to inherit the castle." The right is incorporeal, the castle, corporeal.
The running man is a wave, the stationary man is a particle.
When it is said there are 'things that exist that are absolutely only waves', it is saying, there is a man that exists that cannot stop running, he needs no rest, he cannot be made to sit still.
Then it may be said: there is a difference between this running man and this sitting still man, the non stop runner is a different style of entity, and it truly exists with the qualities it does.
Sorry you have autism. OP meant "noun" when he said thing.
Imagine getting filtered like this. Why are you here?
Link me one (1), only one decent, intellectually stimulating ongoing IQfy thread.
>I am not using my brain and it's the state of the boards fault
Fascinating. What changes do you propose?
So you can shit that up and pretend you've "won" the argument? No fricking thanks, and feel free to have a nice day.
A wave is a thing, not what something does.
OP you goddamned thing
How many more moronation containment threads do we need?
Holons
sage
Everyone knows what a wave is, even if they can't quite put it to words.
Look at a 'seawave' what you are looking at is the sea, waving. Look at a 'soundwave' and what you can see is air, waving.
A particle not something a thing does, it's a thing.
There is no "wave" in the "ocean". There is just the ocean
But compare and ocean to a still pond, compare a still pond to one with a pebble tossed in, compare that to a pond with 1000 pebbles tossed in, compare that to pebbles tossed in on one side while pebbles are tossed in on the other, compare that with a boulder being dropped in the pond, compare that with a wall being put up cutting the pond in half, compared with the pond frozen in winter, compared to it boiled by geothermal vents, compared to an asteroid impacting , the pond. Might the EM field if not all, have some loose equivelents?
By physics we would say, "the water has those properties because it inherits them from electromagnetic waves." Here, we witness the surface of nature, calling it poetic, and gloss over what makes it so.
Yes, there are only particles of h20 moving in a body of water forming waves, the water is not inherently composed of waves, waves are an emergent property of water in motion.
>words can't be nouns and verbs at the same time
moron
>Google
Kys moron
Air, earth and fire are not actual things either
a wave is not a thing but things are waves, so what is the actual Thing brainletbros
A wave is a solution to the wave equation, Kermit.
Gravitational waves disagree
Imagine Reality exists.
Imagine Reality is the exact way it is. There is no arguing with it, we must submit, whatever way Reality is out there, that's the way it is.
It just so happens it seems we have very good reason to believe, now get this, get a load of this, imagine this; stuff exists in reality that we can't see.
Damnit, it couldn't have been made easy for us Truth seekers could it have.
Reality = Reality
Reality = True
Our total vision/knowledge/understanding = not the total True
We can't see light travel (funny considering all we've ever seen is light).
It travels so much faster than everything else, not just a little bit , not just a lot of bit, much much.
We cannot see how it moves through space; though detections, experiments, theories, have deduced probable appearences.
When I first saw that animation o wiki of the 90 degree angles electric makes magnetic makes electric makes magnet I almost had a nervous breakdown, maybe I did an am still suffering it, one of the craziest things ive seen in my life,..you'd think if something moved so fast, by far the fastest, it wouldnt have time to do all that hurky jerky stuff.
The other big thought that comes; THE ACCELERATION OF AN ELECTRON PROPAGATES EM RADIATION; BEFORE THAT EM RADIATION IS PROPAGATES; WHERE IS IT? THIS IS A OR THEE KEY QUESTION, AREA, LINE, ZONE, FAMILY OF QUESTIONING.
YOU CAN TAKE AN ELECTRON AND WAVE IT UP AND DOWN FOR MINUTES OR HOURS, AND EM RADIATION WILL BE WAVING AWAY FROM IT?
PRIOR TO THE ELECTRON BEING WAVED, RIGHT WHERE THE ELECTRON WILL BE WAVED, WHAT IS THE STATE OF EM RIGHT THERE? JUST AS THE ELECTRON IS ABOUT TO BE WAVED, AND STARTING, AJD STARTING, WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE EM FIELD THERE?
AND THEN WAVING THE ELECTRON UP AND DOWN UP AND DOWN; IS JUST PROPAGATING AND PROPAGATING EM RADIATION AWAY FROM IT?
Oh this this respond to this
the dictionary disagrees with you. A noun is a thing.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wave+definition&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS960US960&oq=wave+definition&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0i512l9.2878j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
>You described something using a deverbal noun which make you wrong and reifies the abstraction we made up.
This is literally how NPC's are made, I hope you guys realize it (you probably will never)
Define "thing"
Some THING from no THING.
Logic was a laughing stock from the start.
You're going to have to do better to justify your ugly weak looks nerds.
REALITY EXISTS EXACTLY AS IT DOES
REALITY = REALITY
REALITY = TRUTH
WE CANNOT SEE ALL OF REALITY
HOW DO WE WORK TOWARDS KNOWING HOW THE REALITY WE CANT SEE ACTUALLY EXACTLY EXISTS
You sound mad. Do you want my recipe for omniscience?
>all of the schizoposters just because I stated the obvious
A wave is not a thing homosexuals, it is what a thing does.
Watch
moron
If you take an electron and wave it up and down in one location 10,000 times, it will propagate away from its body EM radiation thoughout that activity, yes?
Where is that EM radiation that propagates coming from? Where and in what form is it in the moment before and leading up to the initial electron movement?
This is a key question
Key question here, key question here, someone smart is required, someone very smart to zone JGiB4847 sector 766Jhh weee-woo wee-woooo alert alert alert key question has been discovered, awaiting important answering
Your mom is not a thing, it is something everyone does.
ride the wave
a wave is a solution to the wave equation