Apparently in Islam manumission of slaves is seen as a virtuous act, but slavery was a constant in all Muslim nations.
Were there any attempts to end slavery in any Muslim nation before Western intervention?
Why wasn't this a goal given the quote "“There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab" from the prophet himself?
In islam you had the slave soldiers becoming the new emirs. Who would then have slave soldiers of their own who would do the same thing. Peak morons
>slave soldiers
after a few generations, "slaves" in name only. The Janissaries were the most notorious bunch, but even the Mamelukes and various Turkic slave soldiers serving Arabs or Persians quickly gained the upper hand wherever they were, and either caged or supplanted their masters. Some of them went to found their own dynasties, like in India and elsewhere. So basically there were groups of like a few thousand slaves ruling populations of tens of millions from India to Egypt.
they're still slaves beholden to a larger entity
They had it made. Sure I'm a slave in Egypt or Turkey but all I have to do is go to war with my fellow slaves and I get to rule over a bunch of people who may or may not like me. Could be worse, as far as these guys were concerned. A lot of them were mountain folk or steppe riders anyway, so fighting was second nature. May as well get all the power you can if your life is one of fighting.
Islam slavery is very different compared to other forms of slavery. When the Muslim empire conquers a new province, people aren't left to starve in the streets or die, but the men, women and children were enslaved. What this basically means is, forfeiting some rights, they were given shelter and food. Slaves who are coerced, abused or even slapped were ordered to be freed. If a slavewoman gives birth to her master's child, they are both freed.
It was basically a way of integrating conquered peoples. Early on, it was very effective, we know of many generals and islamic scholars who were sons of greek and other slaves. Eventually, slaves just kinda had too much power ironically
>He doesn't know about Al-Jazeera plantations.
>He doesn't know about the Samarra anarchy.
>He doesn't know about castration towns in the Sahel.
>He doesn't know about Barbary slave trade.
>He doesn't know about Arab slave trade in Sub-Saharan Africa.
>He doesn't even know about the koçek child trafficking.
Are you sure you're on the right board? This is IQfy btw.
I'm talking about early Islam, like Rashidun and Umayyad era. Even so, the religion didn't change in later eras, people just didn't follow the rules
>I'm only talking about when they didn't have that many foreign slaves
>Umayyad were so big on equality they were overthrown by Persians and Khorasan Arabs after barely 1 century
>no true Scotsman, just ignore 1200 years of history there were no real Muslims in that time frame.
Anything else to add?
>didn't have that many foreign slaves
huh? are you sure about that?
>were overthrown by Persians and Khorasan Arabs
nothing to do with slavery
>no true Scotsman
its really simple. read how Islam actually is in the Qur'an and hadith. I know in Christianity, ethics is basically only based on culture rather than scripture. But in Islam, it is only based on Scripture, whatever muslims do against it is impious, and doubtless they were considered impious for 1400 years.
Nah, they weren't.
First off, ethics in Christianity is totally based on Scripture, NT to be more precise. Faith, Hope, Charity, Patience, Courage, Justice, Temperance are all found in the life and words of Christ.
Secondly, Rashidun kept apart from the conquered peoples. Umayyad continued that sensible policy for a while too, but could not sustain it morally and the Abbasids finally did away with it completely. You are comparing apples to bananas, not even to oranges.
Lastly, I provided several examples of technically unQuranic and unIslamic slavery practiced by people regarded by their followers and others as pious individuals. And this was systemic, rather than accidental.
Ergo, slavery in Islam was no better than slavery in Christianity.
pretty sure you cherrypicked the nicest opinions of scholars
>Were there any attempts to end slavery in any Muslim nation before Western intervention?
Muslims saw slavery the same way Europeans saw feudalism and serfdom, it was necessary. There is a hadith where a man wants to give away his belongings to charity, but Muhammad told him to keep his one slave so that he would not become desolate. Having only one slave was considered to be poor, probably because of the economic role slaves played in Islamic society.
They were probably analogous to modern minimum wage workers, the men at least. And the conditions of slavery in Islam were comparable if not better to European serfdom, so people were content with it.
so, it's a no? you could have said so, instead of jumping directly to cope.
Chattel slavery wasn’t really widely practiced historically even in Europe until the transatlantic era
Military slave ≠ working slave
Military slave were nearly elite
>the quote
Nothing to do with slavery
In America, thanks to the 13th amendment, there are millions of slaves who do hard labor for no pay every day of their lives. Their are called prisoners.
They made slavery legal for people accused of crimes, then flooded poor neighborhood with drugs, defunded their schools, promoted fatherlessness and single motherhood and propagandize them daily with crime-glorifying music, movies and culture, then pass laws to give harsh sentence to them. The end result is a billion dollar prison slave industry with the highest prison population in all of human history of any nation in the world. While at the same time brag about ending slavery and being le hero nation.
I wasn't aware that Anglo Saxons own all the record labels and law firms providing services to all the rappers therein, nor was I aware that those same Anglo Saxons have complete domineering control over Hollywood, or the printing press.
List the shareholders of these corporations.
improved version
Saved
Or what if just maybe hear me out for a second
They commit more crime?
>Abolition of Islam*
ftfy
I thought this was AI for a second but I don't see weird feet and hands and everything makes sense
Amazing art