A homosexual narcissist defeated by rage. Decadence begins with him, the Greeks were decadents before Jesus.
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Achilles was actually seen as the scumbag villain until the Renaissance or thereabouts. Hector is the most based figure in literary history.
Odysseus?
For me, it's Ulysses
Hector is even worse. Achilles' idea is legitimate, he's just too decadent to accomplish it.
>Achilles is a tragic hero
How many times do we have to go through this, moron?
>Achilles was actually seen as the scumbag villain
Seen by whom?
>Hector is the most based figure in literary history.
No that would be Diomedes.
>the virtuous - that is, honest, chaste, pious - hero is indeed a medieval christian invention.
Oath-breakers are the most despised people in the story. The war itself was caused by Paris' and Helen lacking in chastity. Every positive character expresses respect for the gods and it's a major issue whenever they disobey the Olympians.
>Not in the original poem
>He chooses to swallow his pride and help the Greeks
correct.
>Makes the clear-eyed decision to fight and win eternal glory rather run back home like a cuck and die in old age forgotten
Not exactly, no. By the time he kills Hector and desecrates his body, he knows that he will never return home and see his wife and son. He makes a clear-eyed decision between fighting and dying like a hero and fighting and dying like a coward.
>Technically speaking Virtue dictated Hector take Paris by the neck and throw him from the wall
That would be kin-slaying, which is an unforgivable transgression for the culture in question as well as most human cultures period. Hector does make it extremely clear that had Paris been anyone other than a son of Priam, he would be long dead by now.
speaking Virtue dictated Hector take Paris by the neck and throw him from the wall
Rather as a metaphor for handing him over to the Greeks, as in, months before it reached the point it did.
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it's not ancient, of course. the greek hero is frenquently a c**t and often just a pawn on the hands of the gods (which are themselves c**ts, too). Shrewdness is a much more valued trait. Piety is necessary as to not anger the gods - which are very much easy to anger
the virtuous - that is, honest, chaste, pious - hero is indeed a medieval christian invention.
It's one step forwards two steps back. The true knowledge is always obscured.
diomedes chads WYA?
even Diomedes felt the need to distance himself from the events, and ended up in Middle Italy, founding, thenceforth Argos Hippium, far in the ankle of the Achilles heel of Italy northwards of the city of Troia, in the province of Puglia.
Technically speaking Virtue dictated Hector take Paris by the neck and throw him from the wall and drive Helen, by use of a whip, back into the arms of her former husband; since it was them both at fault.
In a lot of ways the King of Ilium is not unlike Aeneas own father in that, properly speaking, Aeneas/Hector has to drag the elderly man from his chair in indecision and carry him on his back to the proper decision.
Right here
All those things are good and Achilles was a hero
>homosexual
Not in the original poem
>narcissist
He chooses to swallow his pride and help the Greeks
>defeated by rage
Makes the clear-eyed decision to fight and win eternal glory rather run back home like a cuck and die in old age forgotten
Didn't read the poem.
>Didn't read the poem
We noticed.
>the Greeks were decadents before Jesus
As opposed to ???
Plus don’t forget poor Troilus