Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God
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Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God
So that's why God keeps me poor.
>month 4 of nofap
>atleast once a month raped by wet dream
>try to stop it and hold back the feeling
>still release some, but not allot
>immediately feel a disconnect from source
bro's i'm really trying here, but it's like my own body is betraying me when i can't defend myself.
moron
give in to fap, it's only natural. let me help
you homosexual bro?
>Month 4
As in, you didn't relapse once in that time aside from wet dreams? Good on you anon. I've only ever made it to 60 days, and that was when I had utter, extreme conviction. I've gotten a GF since then (we're waiting until marriage) and the extra pent-up sexual desire has kept me from ever going more than like 16 days.
Dumb shit. God intended for you to have a wife by now and frick her constantly. Why the hell don't you?
i realized most human connections are trauma bonds and i broke from that(4 years almost married). not sure how to healthily connect yet, but it's far better than where i was.
Genuinely hope things work out for you. Sorry for my needlessly rude tone.
>Why the hell don't you?
Sex is gross, animalistic thing, and why would i want to deal with woman?
this is your brain on autism
>this is your brain on wrongthink
No, its called self control and being human being, but i don't expect literal animal to understand that.
humans are primates, you included. you not having sex doesnt make you human, just a moronic incel primate
>you are just wrongthinking wrongthinker!
Calmdown, homosexual.
you're absolutely able to "defend" yourself though, it's just succs raping you in your sleep and you're not lucid enough to realise what's going on. rape is probably too strong a word though because you're obviously giving in.
I was 33 years old when I stopped having wet dreams.
I was 33 when I stopped wetting the bed. I'm 28 btw
I don't want to be rich though and I won't. Just gonna get me a little more
My favorite part about this quotes are the worshippers of Mammon who argue that akshually, the "eye of the needle" was just the name of a somewhat narrow street in Jerusalem and therefore it isn't impossible for rich people to go to heaven, they just have to be careful not to scrape the paint on the sides of their supercar on the way there.
Anyway, it's like that guy said, the love of money can be the root of occasional vexations.
But the story gives a great lesson about attachment. Instead of "be poor lol" which seems to be your interpretation?
>promotes israelite-religion and glorifies israelite-literature
Hello JlDF.
Right, because everyone knows israelites just love Christ lmao
Black person you worship the same god
>jews deny and hate Christ
>Christians don't
>b-but muh yeshua
You're a hopeless moron.
no, you are the moron here. You guys have an entire book in common. Also, without israelites, christ couldn't have died for your sins.
Of course they are all pointless fairy tales, but christians and israelites have a lot in common, you are basically israelites 2.0 (and equally deserve all the hatred they get)
Imagine turning your back on God because you're blinded by your hatred for israelites lmao Rebelling like a prostitute daughter. It's okay buddy, God isn't real, it's all fairy tales, and there are no consequences so you're now free to suck on as many dicks as you like.
>because you're blinded by your hatred for israelites
i couldn't care less about israelites
the reason why god doesn't exist are pretty obvious, you seriously didn't know?
pro tip: if you were born somewhere else, you would have a different religion. That's all you have to think about
Materialism is moronic.
>if you were born somewhere else, you would have a different religion
This point is moronic. You're moronic. Literal lvl1 slime atheist. What are you gonna do next, tell me to watch Zeitgeist?
i'm not materialist, materialism has some issues. But i don't think that means what you think it means
>This point is moronic.
no, it's not. The time and space we are born at are just too random to base my belieft on those.
Sorry, you are the moronic one
Where you're born does not alter the nature of absolute truth, and if you're a relativist then you can't make any universal claims without abandoning logical consistency (which all relativist do anyway).
>the asbolute truth is exactly the main religion of the place i'm born in
>i'm sure this has nothing to do with the fact that i was culturally brainwashed into that
>no, it's just a perfect coincidence that the 2 systems are the same
>the fact that other people ALSO believe that their is the absolute truth is just another coincidence, they must be wrong and i'm right
imagine beliving this unironically
>There are zero people who believe in Jesus that weren't born in a Christian culture.
Imagine believing this unironically. Even the most cursory understanding of Christian history would tell you that it flourished in a culture that not only opposed it theologically, but killed its adherents. Also, why are you trying to pivot to comparative religion? You're a relativist, remember? Your claim that "truth does not belong to the place you're born" is an absolute one. Again, this is the result of a moronic and inconsistent worldview. It's all relative until it hurts my little pussy then it's universal.
no at all, i'm saying chances are agains you buddy
of course, it could be, but it's veery hard, and most importantly every single moron also believes that
>There are zero people who believe in Jesus that weren't born in a Christian culture.
yeah but what are the odds lol
also, this was true >2000 years ago, right? there where exactly 0 christians 3k years ago lmao
how many religions did humans create from the beginning of time? your religion will disappear in some millennia anyway, just like the one of greeks or vikings
again, odds are just not on your side
>Your claim that "truth does not belong to the place you're born" is an absolute one.
no? where did i say that? of course it could, but man, you were veeeery lucky lmao. And also, all your ancestors were very unlucky
> You're a relativist, remember?
no? where did i say that?
Anon, what are missionaries?
>your religion will disappear in some millennia anyway, just like the one of greeks or vikings
Pure speculation.
>Where did I say that?
One post ago you mockingly said, "the absolute truth is exactly the main religion of the place i'm born in" That's an absolute claim that implies it's not possible. My point is not on the possibility of it being the case, but rather that it doesn't fricking matter because what's true is true everywhere (referring to the non-normative).
>Not a relativist
You argue just like one so it makes no difference to me, but feel free to lay out your position.
>"the absolute truth is exactly the main religion of the place i'm born in" That's an absolute claim that implies it's not possible.
no, it implies it's unlikely
is this how your brain works? it explains a lot
>because what's true is true everywhere
we agree on that, and it's irrelevent to the argument, completely unrelated
again, you sound braindead
is watching zeitgeist something-fud? sorry, i'm a bit out of touch
>any religion or idealogy is moronic.
Let me fix you.
>God isn't real
The one omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent?
Yeah, this one isn't real, just look at state of this goddamned, godforsaken world.
Some powerful entity opposed to satan?
This one is real.
The eye of the needle is a name given to a small gate in the walls of Israel where merchants could enter at night after the main gates closed but would have to strip their camels of all belongings they were carrying to be able to fit through. It is emotionally difficult for rich men to give up their wealth but is necessary as you cannot worship money and God. Also none of the material wealth you earn can be taken with you, paint scratched or not and will hinder your character growth. Just look at men who had it all then lost it, they more often have the humility required to receive the love of God.
But doesn't he say in the following part that through god all things are possible, so therefore god could put a camel through the eye of a needle and god could accept a rich man into heaven?
Yeah:
>When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
GOD MADE ME A MUMU HOLDER
GOD GAVE ME AN ADDICTION
FRICK YOU
Through Christ all things are possible
I find myself obsessing over money like a wannabe richgay, but really, all I want is enough for a small house in the midwest on a few acres of land, and a couple kids. If I'm lucky, a few thousand left over after that to make a film (specifically one that glorifies God). I can't imagine those desires are ungodly. But I still don't like how I feel compelled to gamble with crypto just to get those things. It makes me feel like I really am putting my faith in riches, not Christ.
Do you think that even the most degenerate shitcoin trader can profit one Satoshi if the Lord did not will it?
Go 100% Link if you really want this. Get it on an Eth address soon so you can stake in the final staking version. Use a hardware wallet, generate your own seed and write it on paper.
Thank me later, and I salute your appreciation of God.
>he wants to bring innocent souls into this hell
You do not deserve the house or land, you are evil person.
God commands us to be fruitful and multiply.
>old testament
Almost all of it is stolen pagan nonsense.
>you are evil person
According to what?
>just look at state of this goddamned, godforsaken world.
Not an argument.
>Not an argument.
So its okay to rape you, murder you and steal your shit?
Again its le bad to do so, according to what?
according to our sense of empathy, rational thoughts and biology, christard
>Ooook!
>low IQ christard can't argue
color me surprised
>taking internet fights seriously
You have no right to call anybody low iq.
What is evil, and why shouldn't you do it?
>everything is le subjective
Let me guess, a leftist or redditor.
no, he's trying to say you are the relativist. He's implying that you can't define what's good without god (and also that you have no reason to do good other than the threat of eternal damnation lmao, which says a lot about him)
but you are almost as moronic as him, i really can't tell who has less brain cells. Amazing
christards are pathetic when they think that without LE GOD WHO CAN SEND YOU TO HELL we would live in a world full of massacres and violence. which is complete nonsense. humans can't allow random violence in a society or it would collapse, that's why there are rules and laws.
>that's why there are rules and laws.
Its illegal to critize Black folk and arabs who do said acts of random violence, lets that sink in.
and here is the biggest joke of them all: you can be the worst human being on the planet, having tortured and killed people. but if you tRulY cOnFeSs and aRe SoRry in the end, you'll go to paradise 😀
christcucks had to invent this or nobody would join their cult.
there are flaws to any system
>its just le flaw when system becames the major problem and decides to commit suicide.
Nice cope, bootlicking totalitarian homosexual.
>yes, i dont jerk off, how could you tell
>strawman
>drumppfffff
Confirmed both redditor and total homosexual obsessed with politics.
Let me guess, everything is le politics and needs to be le political, right homosexual?
And no, i fap occasionally, i know you couldn't tell otherwise.
>tRulY cOnFeSs and aRe SoRry
>:D
Reddit is that way.
Instead of god you have govt, instead of bible you have official narrative, instead of priests you have experts, instead of prophets you have official news outlets.
You are bad as people you hate, you are same piece of shit as them.
governments or any forms of it exist wether the members are religious or not. many rules in many societies are cultural and arbitrary but none of them would function without rules
>no arguement
Unsurprisingly.
Literally incapable of answering a simple ass question.
Idk why you're still yapping you've already shown you know frick all about Christianity. It's about having a standard. It's possible to be be unaware of God, and still do good since it's believed the law is written on the heart. However, not everyone uses their free will to do so, and so if you're going to proclaim to be the one who decides what is and isn't good then the very least you can do is explain what those things are and why they should be followed. There's zero point in discussing anything further until that's established.
>ass
Whigger or literal hoody Black person.
>If I perpetually deflect I win
Woman brain.
>taking internet fights this serious
Yeah, its very feminine of you.
You can feel that weird boomer smell emanating from this homosexual.
>you've already shown you know frick all about Christianity
>free will
ok lol, let me lecture you about christianity then
take a deep breath, use your own words
ready?
ok, explain to me in simple words how free will and omniscience can exist at the same time
take your time, i'll wait here
have fun
Me knowing every time you're going to have gay sex doesn't make that choice any less yours.
kek
if you already know i'm gonna do something, then it's pre-determined: there's no way i'll ever be able to NOT do it
so where's the freedom? can i change my mind or not? if you already know the outcome, the answer is no
you get this, right? it's very simple
>if you already know i'm gonna do something, then it's pre-determined
If you had a kid, and that kid was going to put his hand on the stove and burn himself, and you know this but don't stop him did the child make a choice of his own volition? Of course he did. The very fact you're even arguing this point presupposes the ability to choose.
>and you know this
i don't know this until i see it happens, because as far as i know the child could stop at the very last second
if i know FOR SURE he's going to do it because i can see the future, it means there is only ONE future, so he's never able to not do it, meaning he's not free
there's no solution to this.
Either you can see the future and know what's going to happen, or you can't see the future because the future is not written until the decision is made. There's no middle ground, no way to fix the contraddiction
It's the very prerequisite for knowledge. Under predeterminism truth and falsehood are incoherent. If what you or I are saying are potential predetermined falsehoods then we aren't even really making arguments right now. Think of it akin to the issue with simulation theory. If we're in a simulation then the revelation that we're in a simulation is in itself part of the simulation so you can never really know if it's the case. In the same way, If predterminism were true you couldn't know it.
yes, but how does any of that solves the issue for christgays?
god is not omniscent (he doesn't know what i'm gonna do) or we don't have free will (because he knows what i'm gonna do)
it's impossible to have both the things
There is no tension between the two. It would be one thing if he interfered in a way that left you no choice (as opposed to offering), but merely knowing is not enough to constitute the stripping of ones free will. God is the first cause, and he created us as secondaries. There's nothing about the Christian God that says he can't create beings with free will and he himself be omniscient at the same time. Explain by what mechanism an all powerful God would not be able to do such a thing?
if there's a future that he sees then we don't have any possibility to change it
if on the other hand we can change it, then he doesn't know what we'll choose
you can't just throw the "he can do anything LOL" to fix the obvious logical contraddiction in the system, you are basically saying that it's ok to believe in stupid things and you do
How exactly does one remove free will with knowledge alone?
because if he knows i'm gonna do something BEFORE i do it, it means i can never ever NOT do it, meaning i was never free in the first place. There's no way i can change my mind (be free) if he already knows what i'm gonna do. The only way free will can exist is if the world is not deterministic, meaning it's impossible to know things until they happen
You're not actually answering the question. I asked how exactly does one remove free will with knowledge alone? And you're more or less saying he has knowledge alone.
You're not answering either. How exactly does your knowledge of the future actually stop me from doing otherwise? It doesn't. Knowing is not enough. The fact that I raised my left hand does not mean the choice to raise my right did not exist.
>How exactly does your knowledge of the future actually stop me from doing otherwise?
it doesn't "stop" you, it means you were never free in the first place (so actually he can't stop you at all). You never had free will if your path is pre-determined.
Knowing IS asbolutely enough because it implies that the future is already written beforehand.
Anon, it's not hard.
If God (or any entity whatsoever) knows what i'm gonna have for breakfast a year from now, it means that no matter what i do, i'm doomed to follow that EXACT path that will lead me to have that breakfast a year from now. It's impossible to think i'm free, i'm condemned to follow that path no matter what i do, i don't have any choice whatsoever because i will end up there anyway. I can't for example kill myself today, because if that happens it means i'm not gonna have that breakfast. This forcefully means that free will doesn't exist.
If, instead, a year from now i'll end up having a different breakfast, meaning that my choices can dynamically change the course of the events, then it just means that that future was fake, so it wasn't the future.
Is this really so hard for you to grasp?
>It doesn't stop you
Everything after this is buffoonery and cope. I accept your concession.
>I accept my redditcession.
And i accept your dilation, homosexual.
homie try to turn on your brain for a second
the question is simple
does God know what i'm gonna have for breakfast a year from now?
YES or NO
no third option.
YES? Ok, then i can't kill myself today. I can't grab a gun and shoot myself in the head right now, it's impossible. If i can't kill myself, i don't have free will. Is it hard to understand? Very very simple concept.
NO? Nice, i have free will and god can't be omniscent
If you can't understand this, you are just proving how low the IQ of religious people is
Cope. Didn't read. You said it yourself brainlet, knowledge alone of future events cannot stop you from doing otherwise, nor does it make the other choice nonexistent. Pack it up.
Knowledge alone of future events implies that the world is deterministic, which means there's no free will. The ability to "stop" anyone from doing anything was never on the table, it's a strawman you crafted for whatever reason. That was never the point. It has nothing to do with free will, i have no idea why you think those things are related.
You are the one avoiding a super simple question, basically because you are an absolutely brainwashed moron. Anyone reading this thread can see how simple my question is and how hard you are coping with the blantant obvious flaws of your beliefs
Again, didn't read. Choose to cope more.
>lalala i can't hear you
Nice not an arguement you have got here.
>arguement
yeah you made it pretty clear that you can't read, don't worry. Christians really are just a different flavour of israelites
why can't god just have awareness of all possible futures and maintain some degree of uncertainty as to which one will actually happen?
because not knowing which version will actually happen is equivalent to not knowing the future
"uncertainty" and "omniscence" can't exist at the same time. You either know which version of the future will happen or you don't
You are arguing about a being knowing something that you could not meanwhile the beings definition is an entity greater cannot be imagined.
Yes, that's just a way of throwing the towel. If you play "hee we can't understand it hehe" card, nothing makes sense anymore and you just agree it's ok to believe in any kind of dumb shit, which in the end is the very foundation of religions
Just because the Origo knows your breakfast from your shitty decisions doesnt mean that its not your choice, he just knows it. If you knew that he knows it and change your breakfast because of it then he would know that aswell, but the choice is yours.
>doesnt mean that its not your choice
you are confusing "personal" will with "free" will.
A ball that falls from a desk has some proprierties, like mass and velocity. What happens to the ball depends on those properties, so it's something "personal" to the ball. But that doesn't mean that the ball has free will.
>he just knows it
Yes, so if he does, it means i can't kill myself right now. It's impossible for me to kill myself if he knows i'll have breakfast a year from now. If i can't kill myself (that choice is IMPOSSIBLE), i don't have free will at all.
If i can, or cannot, kill myself (the very definition of free will), this implies that he can't know if i'm gonna have breakfast or not.
There's no third solution.
maybe just kys, theres your third solution. Your are going to hell either way kek
pretty sure you are the one going to hell, unless you die gloriously in battle like the vikings wanted
sure buddy have fun with your bedtime stories
you are talking to yourself:
>Your are going to hell either way
At least tell us what kind of breakfast are you going to have in one year. Dont mind the details please.
i have no fricking clue... i could totally be dead by then
If you have a nice day its totally up to you. Only your choice. If you want to live, that is on you. But we are talking about a motionless being here. You can't comprehend because everything that exist in this material plane is in motion.
ok but then this also applies to you. His reasons could be totally beyond your understanding. For all you know, he could have willingly filled the bible with bullcrap, the total opposite of what he wants. "No because he's good", well you know he's good only because it's in the bible, then he sent his son just to mock you a little more.
If he's a incomprehensible beign, then you can't know anything about him, even the stuff in the bible could be false as far as you know. Maybe it's just a IQ test to see who is smart enough to realize that the bible is full of contraddictions and you'll get to heaven only if you if are aitheist.
We either know something about him (and we can use common logic) or we don't. For sure we know he allows some pretty terrible things here on earth, so it's normal to have doubts about him being good. If i'm using the brain he created to understand that the bible is full of crap and contraddictions, it's impossible i'm doing something wrong, because he created me this way.
Maybe you are the one failing his tests: if he really is totally incomprehensible to us mortal, you have no way of knowing. "Faith" could totally be an elaborate trap for midwits
Well i know for sure that my iq is not high enough to understand the logical reasoning of st thomas aquinas summa theologica for 3000 pages, but maybe your atheist mind could understand it proper.
yes i did study him in high school, almost the entire 4th year was about scholasticism. It's normal to have philosophy class in high school in europe.
Of course, it's all crap. Tommy was one of the worst for sure. Roscellinus was the only based one. Then, thank God (kek), the dark ages ended and we started to study meaningful philosophy
so i assume you could argue againts at least one of the five ways he found.
no idea right now, i don't remember much. I only remember it was a schizo.
If you are interested in philosophy about god, the ontological argument by Saint Anselm is way more interesting. It was also mathematically proved by Gödel in the 20th century, the greatest mathematician who ever lived
I dont know why would Saint Anselm be more interesting and Gödel's proof full shizo tier
ok, we clearly have different tastes, then tell me what about thomas you find appealing or convincing and we can start from there
try probability theory
>probability
yes sure, which implies god is not omniscent, because he doesn't know which of the possibility will actually happen.
anon, let' say i have a vision of the future. In this vision, a minute from now, you lift your left hand.
Now, a minute from now, do you think you can lift your right hand instead?
No, you can't. If you do lift your right hand, proving that you have free will, then it only means that my vision was fake in the first place: i did NOT see the future.
It's either possible to have vision of the future (omniscence) or to have free will, they can't be true at the same time
> but merely knowing is not enough
yes, it absolutely is:
either the future is something that he can see, meaning there's only that one (omniscence), or the future doesn't exist at all until we make choices (free will)
it's impossible to have both, they are not just "in tension", they directly contradict each other
You're going to hell like all "Christians" that still want to make loads of money even after reading the Bible
>So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men.
>no sex
>no drugs
>no hardcore parties
>heavens boring
II'll go all in into btc and ssnc then, hell's looking quite hot
did you know when we die we are immediately alive again and there is no in between world, this is the plane of existence where you can enter the kingdom of heaven, here and now, that's why he says the kingdom of heaven is at hand, you have the chance to do it, just be still and drop all thoughts, all desires, all fears, all passions, all everything, let the world melt away and when there is noone and nothing left, you are in heaven
it's a puzzle
do I get fresh cuncun in the kingdom of gawd
Because there us no incentive to find the self.
All you need to do is listen. No action, no judgement. Just watch and listen.
Yeah that's what the israelites told the gentiles while giving out 100% interest loans.
by now everyone should know that the "camel" is wrongly translated, in the original text is a big rope like the ones used on ships, which makes much more sense
God told me to hold AGRS for decades so im trusting his words instead of yours OP
>my fellow white people, having money is evil, just give it all to israelites
Bless you anon and everyone else here
Why bless? Because this place is hell or what?
biz bros takeover patrick batemans sigma on sol and help me get out of here, i cant take life anymore
Good thing I was born poor then I guess.
Use you excess wealth to do good and holy things, take this wealth that God has horded for you. Go forth and be great anon
CHRIST IS KING
Reminder that the “needle” wasn’t a sewing needle, but the wooden gate used by shepherds to keep other animals that mixed in with the flocks of sheep out of a certain area.
Also, remember that, while it is difficult for rich to enter through the “gates,” remember Job, David, Solomon, etc., were all very wealthy.
Love of money, kids, not money itself, that hurts us. That’s one of the benefits of tithing, it helps us to remember that it’s not our money but, like ourselves, belongs to Him.
>defending tithing
Good goy.
Name calling instead of counterpoint. You are standing in your own way, anon.
If money belongs to god then he can take it himself, without bunch of thievery israelites claiming to be his represantives.
what is rich? being able to afford 1 bedroom apartment and some 30 year old used up puss?
i atleast want a semblance of independance
God = elohim in the hebrew torah
Elohim is a plural term.
The demiurge and the archons entrapped sparks of light (souls) into matter.
The alien grey homies are farming your loosh.
When you die, make sure you DO NOT GO INTO THE LIGHT it's a trap.
Mathew 19:26
WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE, BUT WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE
but with God all things are possible soooo i'd rather be rich than turn into a camel.
Its because you cannot let it go. Once you learn that these material things does not matter in the next level of existence, its another story. When the white tunnel starts to suck your being into it, do not care about your belongings.
This is why every single christcuck thinks that being poor is some kind of virtue. They are literally manifesting in themselves a poverty mindset because muh bible quote.
>rich bad
>money bad
If only you could get past your own emotional barrier that is severely limiting you.
Stop taking things out of context.
24. and again I say to you, it is easier for a camel through the eye of a needle to go, than for a rich man to enter into the reign of God.' 25. And his disciples having heard, were amazed exceedingly, saying, 'Who, then, is able to be saved?' 26. And Jesus having earnestly beheld, said to them, 'With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.' (Mat 19:24-26, YLT)
8. And Zaccheus having stood, said unto the Lord, 'Lo, the half of my goods, sir, I give to the poor, and if of any one anything I did take by false accusation, I give back fourfold.' 9. And Jesus said unto him — 'To-day salvation did come to this house, inasmuch as he also is a son of Abraham; 10. for the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.' (Luk 19:8-10, YLT)
I am unironically giving 1/10 of my earnings from stocks as tithe. To which church idk. Taxes on top are gonna frick me in the ass but idc.
Christ is King. I'm sorry, God.
I am just keeping enough to live off interest. Hopefully, end of this cycle or the next so I can retire by 27.
Why don't they also rely on God instead of my paycheck?
I don't think Jesus had any plans of people asking you for money in his name, he'd probably flip the tables over tbh
Well, its too late now; I have a heavy bag of AAST.