We're not raging. We actually feel pity for you. Do you really think we spend any mental energy on you? No, we know you are a disappointment to your family, to your country. You really think you're some kind of aristocrat when you've got a throne of chicken nuggets? We've given up. Just like everyone around you, who sees you waste your days away on your computer. You don't even travel, do you? You're pathetic, but at least your parents still love you. I know I don't.
You realise that the goal of antiwork is to improve the balance between life and work, right? It's not meant to abolish work at all because otherwise, society would collapse.
I'm not referring to you specifically, just people who might be drawn to this movement because they assume it's against the concept of work in general.
The image does seem to imply that the person who made it is against all forms of work though.
Most office jobs do not produce anything of remarkable value and there is often an extreme amount of waste, it's just people playing doll house moving money between accounts.
The fact is that countries which have large amounts of neets have strong economies to support them in the first place thus they are less likely to collapse
It's the other way around, really. Hundreds of thousands of wagie jobs are make-work jobs. A single NEET can create an innovation which is then spread out among thousands to hundreds of thousands of wagecucks and profited off of. Most of the innovations you see in these prosperous countries were in fact created by NEETs, or NEET-adjacent people. That is to say, highly skilled autistic people who work for something greater than a paycheck. Through universities and state-funded govt research projects for example.
>society would collapse.
Look at the facts. Countries without NEETs easily collapse, does with large amount of NEETs prosper.
> otherwise, society would collapse
sounds good!
The PROBLEM is how society is fundamentally created: To perpetuate conflicts between populations. Capital is at the focal of the fundamental society. It's a vector and catalyst for COMPETITION, NOT COOPERATION. And this breeds socioeconomic disparity, dysfunction, class-animosity and ill-being and destitution; all of the bad things, amassing an immoral debt, as humans are encouraged to force others down while propping themselves up -- exemplifying a grand display of self-preservation as an survival ends-become-means to thriving beyond sufficiency and to moral impropriety.
>What's the IQfy consensus on anti work literature?
Only adequately comprehends the negative moment of proletarian solidarity, not the positive nor the aufheben of the sublation of the antagonism of the contradiction: space unicorns.
I was raised in a household where we never bought anything. I've basically had a diet of human dog food my entire life, and I still live with my parents to save rent because frick paying hundreds to live someplace else when I'm socially awkward and never have people over anyways.
I really have a passion for learning and making things though. My wagie job takes up all my time and I get money in return, which I don't even spend.
For this reason, I'm thinking of just quitting my job and focusing fulltime on my studies and projects. If you're autistic and don't have a life, being a NEET is preferable tbh.
very comfy friday. tomorrow is saturday and sunday i can feel people more relaxed, but really i feel best on sunday night when everyone is sort of freaking out about going back and monday when i can really just sit back and breathe deep
I'm a neet now but I don't hate working. The issue steams from the fricked up system we live in. We have to work exhausting 40(if your lucky) hours a week for shit wages, managers are the biggest morons to exist, tons of bureaucratic bullshit you have to go through just to work or be self employed. Then you get taxed, not a little but a third if your lucky, only to spend all the money on black operations, human trafficking, and summer homes while the slaves toil away in squalor. I wonder what a world with 5% tax rate with no usury would be like.
Is there a bigger power fantasy than having the free time to develop your physical and mental abilities, learn about all the things you're interested in, and being able to undertake any project you personally want? Frick.
Marxists came up with work=good homosexualry and are now trying to make it bad again through marxoid lenses, what an insufferable bunch, kill them wherever you find them.
I feel like a good test run of this was during the pandemic where they actually started just handing out money to every idiot in the country with no strings attached. There were like 6 people in the entire country that actually used the time to develop new skills and create awesome works of art. Everyone else just got drunk and watched Netflix nonstop for a year and a half. Then, when people even started to suggest that maybe they should go back to the office, they all whined and complained like a bunch of entitled toddlers about how inhumane it is to go back to the office. Because God forbid you actually have a purpose in the world and help keep the world functioning instead of jerking off and drinking yourself to death off the back of others' labor.
Anti-work is stupid. Everyone I know who quit a job to temporarily focus on writing/art was motivated for like 3-4 days before they rapidly devolved into a depressed butthole who plays video games and sleeps in all day.
People need structure, people need a a sense of purpose and to feel like they're contributing to the world, and yes civilization actually fricking needs people to DO shit to keep functioning. NEETS are leeches on the world, consuming resources while providing nothing back. If a NEET accepts that they're a frickface but doesn't care I can respect the honesty, but if they have such an incredible amount of hubris and suspension of disbelief to think that "anti-work" is a legitimate worldview then they are the worst kind of person. At least a career criminal contributes in some backwards way towards providing goods and services that people want, NEET"s just "exist" because men who are better than themselves allow them to do so.
It seems like the state are the ones giving away money for no reason, "the state" would be happier with everyone being subservient and compliant to their debt based welfare state nonsense, and does everything in its power to stop individuals from building their own wealth because having your own wealth and not being reliant means having the freedom to live the way you want to and speak up without fear
most jobs are stupid and destructive as covid demonstrated
There are a lot of bullshit jobs that don't need to exist, but the solution is not "people shouldn't need to work anymore"
Also a temporary pause to office jobs doesn't mean civilization could function long-term without those jobs. If every Architecture and Engineering firm that focused on restoration disappeared tomorrow, things would seem fine for 2-5 years... but after that stone masonry walls would start collapsing on people and killing them. Someone needs to do that work, even if it would be catastrophic tomorrow without it
It seems like the state are the ones giving away money for no reason, "the state" would be happier with everyone being subservient and compliant to their debt based welfare state nonsense, and does everything in its power to stop individuals from building their own wealth because having your own wealth and not being reliant means having the freedom to live the way you want to and speak up without fear
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There are a lot of bullshit jobs that don't need to exist, but the solution is not "people shouldn't need to work anymore"
Also a temporary pause to office jobs doesn't mean civilization could function long-term without those jobs. If every Architecture and Engineering firm that focused on restoration disappeared tomorrow, things would seem fine for 2-5 years... but after that stone masonry walls would start collapsing on people and killing them. Someone needs to do that work, even if it would be catastrophic tomorrow without it
>People who work sometimes struggle >Instead of questioning why it is, let's just blame the entire concept of working and contributing to society
Way to out yourself as a brainlet
>People in death camps sometimes struggle >Instead of questioning why it is, let's just blame the entire concept of death camps and contributing to society
The funny thing is that he would only need to work that much if he was working low income jobs. But if he works low income jobs and gets the gibs that comes from military service he is highly unlikely to actually be part of the 53%. In fact, a major criticism of the whole 53% thing is that, due to their special benefits, the vast majority of military members are not net tax payers. So, in the sort of accounting employed by Ryan and Romney, most military service members and many vets are in the leech group.
But people assume that if they see taxes on their pay stub they must not be in the 47%. It's a stupid metric because it ignores payroll taxes and state/local. But entitlements and state and local are like 75% of what the government does, so looking at only net income tax is stupid.
>People need structure, people need a a sense of purpose and to feel like they're contributing to the world
true NEETS are able to give it to themselves.
>Then, when people even started to suggest that maybe they should go back to the office, they all whined and complained like a bunch of entitled toddlers about how inhumane it is to go back to the office.
You moron, this only proves NEET's point. No one wants to work even the people that say they do.
It doesn't matter if people WANT to work or not. >boo hoo my office job is SO hard i do'wanna do it i just wanna drink and watch netflix and post twitter memes about how all my problems are the fault of capitalism and not my own lack of discipline
work needs doing. If everyone acted like NEETS there would be not food and no running cars
NEETS are actually the worst people to exist. They consume and provide nothing back, and have hubris about how they are the wise one's while doing so
https://i.imgur.com/G4YSwQc.png
>society would collapse.
Look at the facts. Countries without NEETs easily collapse, does with large amount of NEETs prosper.
Only highly stable functioning societies are capable of supporting a class of losers wasting away human potential while living off the backs of others.
NEETS in the developing world are called dead bodies.
>work needs doing
tech keeps advancing yet people keep working more than ever before. >If everyone acted like NEETS
this is an irrelevant hypothetical since most people including you are normgroids and are therefore passionate about doing meaningless jobs that link consumers to the brands they're passionate about and listening to their colleagues kids school projects during lunch time.
why do you type like a boomer with hemorrhoids? are you seething?
how many cars do you own and how many do you aspire to own?
The 7 months I was on CERB I had a higher income than when I worked, was way happier, read more, and also started editing compilation videos for YouTube which garnered millions of views (all copyrighted so I got zero money for it though). I won't work for free though, so when the NEET bucks ended I stopped posting vids.
This picture is hilarious, because you know exactly who wrote it (neets), and you know exactly that that type of person does not study Aristotle or learn instruments because they are absolutely incapable of discipline. You also know that they are aimless, deeply depressed, and that no one respects them. You can draw yourself as a handsome man who's constantly having fun being a neet, but everyone knows that it couldn't be further from the truth, you know it, we know it, and so does everyone else. There really is no point making such an image.
Yeah, all of the NEETs I know do frick all with their time. I don’t envy that; accomplishing nothing and being so isolated from other people. Talk about a life wasted.
Yeah, all of the wagies I know do frick all with their time. I don’t envy that; accomplishing nothing and spending all their time working. Talk about a life wasted.
Seriously. None of the people I know personally that work 40+ hours do much with their free time. They spend their weekends getting drunk and completing errands or house chores.
I was affirming the sentiment of the other guy, not necessarily making a statement on the virtues of working. The image in the original post talks about all the wonderful things one could do with their time if they don’t work. I’m saying that the NEETs I know don’t do any such things, they jerk off and shitpost online.
You're like that bullied kid that pretends to laugh along with the bullies.
Everyone knows you're not happy. You pretend to be way happier than wagies but I know both neets and unfulfilled wagies, neets are way more depressed and they have a deep inferiority complex that they try to mask by pretending to be more fulfilled and happier. You're an open book and everyone reads through you. This thread is just pure cringe, just stop and go jerk off like you do when you're bored.
It looks like you are stressed and butthurt. I on the other hand am having a great time. You are mistaken that NEETs do not contribute to society, in fact they do. I am an independent scholar. Near me are some medjoul dates, some dark chocolate and I am making some herbal tea that boosts creativity. My work is opportunistic, stochastic and consists of tinkering. We call that bricolage. I am well-read into, but not only, history and sociology. Nowadays I think history is fairy tales for adults. As for sociology, it must integrate biology more. Evolutionary psychology, another of my many interests, are doing well despite the critique it gets. I have also been studying botany now for some time and go flanuering as well as going for plant hunts. I feel that philosophy has its time; it is stuck too much into past. I am inspired by Darwin. He too was a slacker, like so many great minds.
I like to keep track of how language evolves. I think that new loanwords might come from Korean. I see language evolve. It is interesting how language evolves. I believe that without gatekeeping language will diversify, complexify and become more irregular. It seems to go non-linear. As for economics, it seems we are still stuck with the mechanistic view as to the complex systems view. Much to improve. As to describe my philosophy, I am into evolutionary ethics and aristocratic individualism.
Besides all of this, I am working on my magnum opus. It is a work of fiction. With it, I am combining mythology, theology, ideology, sociology, ecology, economics, language, aesthetics and philosophy.
lol an "independent scholar," you're a perpetually online unemployed loser. If your scholarly work was worth anything you'd be able to find employment or publish to a wide enough audience to support you financially and then you'd be... gasp! employed! (at least self-employed). Hearing NEETS describe themselves as scholars is like when Eliot Roger described himself as a "highly intelligent intellectual," just pure delusions of grandeur so they don't have to face the pathetic reality of their lives.
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The PROBLEM is how society is fundamentally created: To perpetuate conflicts between populations. Capital is at the focal of the fundamental society. It's a vector and catalyst for COMPETITION, NOT COOPERATION. And this breeds socioeconomic disparity, dysfunction, class-animosity and ill-being and destitution; all of the bad things, amassing an immoral debt, as humans are encouraged to force others down while propping themselves up -- exemplifying a grand display of self-preservation as an survival ends-become-means to thriving beyond sufficiency and to moral impropriety.
>Hurr durr le capitalism bad all bad things caused by capital
you mean the thing that raised the life expectancy and standard of living for every human being across the entire globe? Any time 2 people willingly engage in trade with each other, that's capitalism. Even the hardcore communist/socialist countries mostly functioned day to day on the black-market economy. Feudalism prospered in places where they had the most free trade. Capitalism isn't some boogieman monster forced on modern civilization. Its just the default mode of existence.
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>Any time 2 people willingly engage in trade with each other, that's capitalism
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>Any time 2 people willingly engage in trade with each other, that's capitalism
Societies that produce capital are capitalisms, two people barterting are not making any capital lol
>le wage slabery >gainful employment is slavery
You idiots never talk about debt slavery or the private central banks or the IMF/BIS, really makes you think.
It's really difficult for me to listen to opinions on work voiced by people who are still dependent on their parents money. Why do you frame being pampered by old people and sucking out their life energy and money as some sort of anti-social rebellion? This is the most natural thing to do for a generation that has been barely educated, grown up (in western countries) in some of the best possible material conditions ever, and now witnessing from their (parents') property houses the gradual destruction of the world.
You have been born to please the adults who feed you, you have no economic power and refuse to acquire any, and accept to live as completely dependent from your parents while typing on IQfy that you're somewhat anti-social.
This sounds a lot like being a domestic animal to me.
>It's really difficult for me to listen to opinions on work voiced by people who are still dependent on their employers money. Why do you frame being pampered by people who don't pay taxes and sucking out their life energy and money as some sort of social obligation? This is the most natural thing to do for a generation that has been barely educated, grown up (in western countries) in some of the best possible material conditions ever, and now witnessing from their (employers') work phones the gradual destruction of the world. >You have been born to please the employers who pay you, you have no economic power and refuse to acquire any, and accept to live as completely dependent from your employers while typing on IQfy that you're somewhat anti-social. >This sounds a lot like being a domestic animal to me.
I don't need to invent pseudo-philosophy to justify myself being a NEET. I just don't want to get up at 6am every morning and work for 8 hours and come home exhausted every day.
The comic reminds me of this classic, although with some modern memes and le israelites thrown in.
I have wondered before if it is meant to be semi-ironic. The NEET in the comic gets something right in resurrecting most of the substance of the ancient arguments against chasing status and wealth. However, since the Neet has no idea of what the truly good life entails — man's telos — and no indication is given that moral good is important, there is a huge hole in his arguments. How does one choose between the relative merits of vidya and reading Aristotle? Does it just come down to "avoid work because it doesn't feel good, do what feels good?"
But then the entire ancient conception of freedom as self-determination, as freedom from being ruled over by desire, instinct, passion, and circumstance is lost. You just do what feels good. And of course our NEET is ranting about le israelites and shows a certain sort of ressentiment that his supposed reading of Nietzsche should be rooting out.
When he turns blonde in the last frame, going super saiyan, I assume this is supposed to be ironic.
The problem isn't work or striving towards some goal. It's alienation from ones work and lack of freedom. But moderns tend to look at freedom as only freedom from external constraint. Slavery to desire seems as much a risk, if not more, in our modern climate.
It kind of blows my mind that bearded, quasi-homeless, unemployed virgins were the most respected people in society for 1,700 years. Today people read biographies of billionaires like they once read the lives of the saints. Not having "made their own fortune," is like the worst slander you can lay on Musk or Trump, whereas a lot of the saints were born as rich as them and gave their families entire fortune away. And then a number were poor peasants who went full homeless virgin and still were lauded as the height of human achievement despite making zero money or product their whole lives.
The hermits largely helped others through guidance and then the mendicants, which include a lot of the female saints, basically lived in homeless camps but instead of stealing tires they tended the sick and shared alms with the poor.
The saints and the cynics gave up all comfort and dedicated their life to something else. How many neets are taking care of the sick and poor all day? How many neets give up all material comfort and move out onto the streets in the name of philosophy? Just lol at comparing neets to saints and the cynics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
"Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a personal attack as a diversion often using a totally irrelevant, but often highly charged attribute of the opponent's character or background. "
i dont mind neets but in the us you cant just get autism bucks like you can in europe so this discussion never applied to me. your options here are sponge off your relatives, somehow beat the system and get ssdi or work.
bless the wagies and their checkered blankets and anime
Still waiting for someone to post the transsexual on Fox News that Reddit put up as the head of anti-work or something. YouTube has tried its best to scrub it but it's still out there.
A major mistake that I haven't seen anyone point out is naming their movement "anti-something". That's why it's tied to a stigma of laziness. Imagine pro life people calling themselves anti choices or pro choices calling themselves anti life.
They should have called themselves pro-leisure or pro-freetime or something. No reasonable person who understands how the world functions would ever identify as "anti work" thats manchild shit
Work is a necessary evil. We can't have anything good if everyone refuses to work. That being said, the 40 hour work week is atrocious, and I wish that reduced hours was advocated for, as much as raising wages in the USA.
Also, neetdom is obviously destructive in the long term, but I have far more sympathy for neets than I do for wages who shame the neets. I fricking hate working and anyone who acts like life neets to revolve around a job can burn in hell for all I care. Neeting is bad but at least I get it. I can't get people who make their job into their life.
We're well beyond the ability to automate ourselves into 20 hour work weeks or less for most people. Everything is done to prevent this as a populous with immense free time is dangerous to those in charge. Mass immigration lowers the cost of labor and thus increases the barrier for automation for jobs that are required for society to function, and also produce a huge strain on the tax base making everything more expensive. Meanwhile many people are given make-work fake jobs that do not meaningfully contribute to society to fill their time as well.
>There is no reason to have a job in 2013
We've been having the same arguments, over and over, since 2013. IQfy is digital samsara. I want to leave, but I'm here forever, so the cycle repeats tomorrow.
For me its less about the time waging takes but the energy. I'm starting to think i should just go for a high hour high paying career because any day i wage 8 or more hours is a wasted day anyway because i have no energy to do anything meaningful even if there is still technically time in the day
>But I can do anything I want with all my spare time. I can learn an instrument, learn a language, I can study Nietzche or Aristotle, I can learn to paint, watch anime, lift weights, play video games, go out with friends. I can do anything my heart desires >doesn't learn an instrument >doesn't learn a language >doesn't study Nietzche or Aristotle >doesn't learn to paint >doesn't lift weights >doesn't go out with friends >doesn't even have friends >watches anime >plays video games >browses IQfy for 8 hours a day
Ultimately I'm on the side of the NEETs but lets not kid ourselves here. Most of you spend more time jerking off than doing anything productive
I'm here waiting for the wagies to rage
We're not raging. We actually feel pity for you. Do you really think we spend any mental energy on you? No, we know you are a disappointment to your family, to your country. You really think you're some kind of aristocrat when you've got a throne of chicken nuggets? We've given up. Just like everyone around you, who sees you waste your days away on your computer. You don't even travel, do you? You're pathetic, but at least your parents still love you. I know I don't.
>Do you really think we spend any mental energy on you?
Yes
t. Also a wagie
Also we should just farm in our backyards instead of being obsessed with sedentary office jobs, it's far more noble and spiritually fulfilling work
>Do you really think we spend any mental energy on you?
Emotional energy yes. Ffs look at what you just typed
maybe take a vacation from the waging
You realise that the goal of antiwork is to improve the balance between life and work, right? It's not meant to abolish work at all because otherwise, society would collapse.
Nowhere I said I'm against all forms of works at all.
I'm not referring to you specifically, just people who might be drawn to this movement because they assume it's against the concept of work in general.
The image does seem to imply that the person who made it is against all forms of work though.
I am.
>society would collapse.
Look at the facts. Countries without NEETs easily collapse, does with large amount of NEETs prosper.
I suppose NEETs are good for stress testing the economy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_testing_(software)
Most office jobs do not produce anything of remarkable value and there is often an extreme amount of waste, it's just people playing doll house moving money between accounts.
The fact is that countries which have large amounts of neets have strong economies to support them in the first place thus they are less likely to collapse
It's the other way around, really. Hundreds of thousands of wagie jobs are make-work jobs. A single NEET can create an innovation which is then spread out among thousands to hundreds of thousands of wagecucks and profited off of. Most of the innovations you see in these prosperous countries were in fact created by NEETs, or NEET-adjacent people. That is to say, highly skilled autistic people who work for something greater than a paycheck. Through universities and state-funded govt research projects for example.
>look at facts
But doesn't post SOURCE?
Thus reversing cause and effect.
wagecuck cope
Goal? I don't want to work 4 hours a week let alone 40 hours. There can be no balance and no compromise.
> otherwise, society would collapse
sounds good!
The PROBLEM is how society is fundamentally created: To perpetuate conflicts between populations. Capital is at the focal of the fundamental society. It's a vector and catalyst for COMPETITION, NOT COOPERATION. And this breeds socioeconomic disparity, dysfunction, class-animosity and ill-being and destitution; all of the bad things, amassing an immoral debt, as humans are encouraged to force others down while propping themselves up -- exemplifying a grand display of self-preservation as an survival ends-become-means to thriving beyond sufficiency and to moral impropriety.
>What's the IQfy consensus on anti work literature?
Only adequately comprehends the negative moment of proletarian solidarity, not the positive nor the aufheben of the sublation of the antagonism of the contradiction: space unicorns.
based thread, which book is best for beginners?
Problem with work - Keith Weeks
Thoughts on the demon cycle and it’s new spin off series nightfall saga?
you. rec me a book right now
bukowski is a good anti work author instead of those reddit books
Bukowski is the peak reddit poet
thanks fren
who talks about poetry here wtf
cope for poors
gotta earn a wage if you want $$$ for 90% of people
USA is not a place where you can not work and just skate - you'll be eating human dogfood, living in a rat trap or worse with your mother
neet = perma poor in most cases
I was raised in a household where we never bought anything. I've basically had a diet of human dog food my entire life, and I still live with my parents to save rent because frick paying hundreds to live someplace else when I'm socially awkward and never have people over anyways.
I really have a passion for learning and making things though. My wagie job takes up all my time and I get money in return, which I don't even spend.
For this reason, I'm thinking of just quitting my job and focusing fulltime on my studies and projects. If you're autistic and don't have a life, being a NEET is preferable tbh.
End blogpost.
>quitting my job and focusing fulltime on my studies and projects
ok then what because i'm already that
you still need money to live
>neet = perma poor in most cases
Indeed. But workers are also permanently poor in most cases.
Sounds like you equate your self worth with how much money you make. Sad and base level outlook on life.
Yes but you can also retire early if you actually remain frugal on a wage and invest most of your income.
>seeking literature for validation and making conclusions before reading
ngmi
very comfy friday. tomorrow is saturday and sunday i can feel people more relaxed, but really i feel best on sunday night when everyone is sort of freaking out about going back and monday when i can really just sit back and breathe deep
I'm a neet now but I don't hate working. The issue steams from the fricked up system we live in. We have to work exhausting 40(if your lucky) hours a week for shit wages, managers are the biggest morons to exist, tons of bureaucratic bullshit you have to go through just to work or be self employed. Then you get taxed, not a little but a third if your lucky, only to spend all the money on black operations, human trafficking, and summer homes while the slaves toil away in squalor. I wonder what a world with 5% tax rate with no usury would be like.
Taleb is NEETpilled
Is there a bigger power fantasy than having the free time to develop your physical and mental abilities, learn about all the things you're interested in, and being able to undertake any project you personally want? Frick.
Marxists came up with work=good homosexualry and are now trying to make it bad again through marxoid lenses, what an insufferable bunch, kill them wherever you find them.
>I can do anything in my freetime
>watch anime
>play video games
point disregarded, concession acccepted
Do I still count as a NEET if I work full time in some enterprise?
I feel like a good test run of this was during the pandemic where they actually started just handing out money to every idiot in the country with no strings attached. There were like 6 people in the entire country that actually used the time to develop new skills and create awesome works of art. Everyone else just got drunk and watched Netflix nonstop for a year and a half. Then, when people even started to suggest that maybe they should go back to the office, they all whined and complained like a bunch of entitled toddlers about how inhumane it is to go back to the office. Because God forbid you actually have a purpose in the world and help keep the world functioning instead of jerking off and drinking yourself to death off the back of others' labor.
Anti-work is stupid. Everyone I know who quit a job to temporarily focus on writing/art was motivated for like 3-4 days before they rapidly devolved into a depressed butthole who plays video games and sleeps in all day.
People need structure, people need a a sense of purpose and to feel like they're contributing to the world, and yes civilization actually fricking needs people to DO shit to keep functioning. NEETS are leeches on the world, consuming resources while providing nothing back. If a NEET accepts that they're a frickface but doesn't care I can respect the honesty, but if they have such an incredible amount of hubris and suspension of disbelief to think that "anti-work" is a legitimate worldview then they are the worst kind of person. At least a career criminal contributes in some backwards way towards providing goods and services that people want, NEET"s just "exist" because men who are better than themselves allow them to do so.
>paid by the state to post this
It seems like the state are the ones giving away money for no reason, "the state" would be happier with everyone being subservient and compliant to their debt based welfare state nonsense, and does everything in its power to stop individuals from building their own wealth because having your own wealth and not being reliant means having the freedom to live the way you want to and speak up without fear
There are a lot of bullshit jobs that don't need to exist, but the solution is not "people shouldn't need to work anymore"
Also a temporary pause to office jobs doesn't mean civilization could function long-term without those jobs. If every Architecture and Engineering firm that focused on restoration disappeared tomorrow, things would seem fine for 2-5 years... but after that stone masonry walls would start collapsing on people and killing them. Someone needs to do that work, even if it would be catastrophic tomorrow without it
most jobs are stupid and destructive as covid demonstrated
>lolberg 53%er
>People who work sometimes struggle
>Instead of questioning why it is, let's just blame the entire concept of working and contributing to society
Way to out yourself as a brainlet
>People in death camps sometimes struggle
>Instead of questioning why it is, let's just blame the entire concept of death camps and contributing to society
Awful bait.
The funny thing is that he would only need to work that much if he was working low income jobs. But if he works low income jobs and gets the gibs that comes from military service he is highly unlikely to actually be part of the 53%. In fact, a major criticism of the whole 53% thing is that, due to their special benefits, the vast majority of military members are not net tax payers. So, in the sort of accounting employed by Ryan and Romney, most military service members and many vets are in the leech group.
But people assume that if they see taxes on their pay stub they must not be in the 47%. It's a stupid metric because it ignores payroll taxes and state/local. But entitlements and state and local are like 75% of what the government does, so looking at only net income tax is stupid.
>People need structure, people need a a sense of purpose and to feel like they're contributing to the world
true NEETS are able to give it to themselves.
fun fact: Newton developed the calculus when in an 18-month lockdown for the black death
what did you do during coofvid?
>Then, when people even started to suggest that maybe they should go back to the office, they all whined and complained like a bunch of entitled toddlers about how inhumane it is to go back to the office.
You moron, this only proves NEET's point. No one wants to work even the people that say they do.
It doesn't matter if people WANT to work or not.
>boo hoo my office job is SO hard i do'wanna do it i just wanna drink and watch netflix and post twitter memes about how all my problems are the fault of capitalism and not my own lack of discipline
work needs doing. If everyone acted like NEETS there would be not food and no running cars
NEETS are actually the worst people to exist. They consume and provide nothing back, and have hubris about how they are the wise one's while doing so
Only highly stable functioning societies are capable of supporting a class of losers wasting away human potential while living off the backs of others.
NEETS in the developing world are called dead bodies.
I doubt they think they are wise. It’s a way to rationalize and cope
>work needs doing
tech keeps advancing yet people keep working more than ever before.
>If everyone acted like NEETS
this is an irrelevant hypothetical since most people including you are normgroids and are therefore passionate about doing meaningless jobs that link consumers to the brands they're passionate about and listening to their colleagues kids school projects during lunch time.
why do you type like a boomer with hemorrhoids? are you seething?
how many cars do you own and how many do you aspire to own?
The 7 months I was on CERB I had a higher income than when I worked, was way happier, read more, and also started editing compilation videos for YouTube which garnered millions of views (all copyrighted so I got zero money for it though). I won't work for free though, so when the NEET bucks ended I stopped posting vids.
You just know OP lost an argument then made this comic as a cope
Anti-work is homosexual shit. But so is a mandatory 40-hour work weeks, a relic of a bygone era.
Cope more wagecucks
This picture is hilarious, because you know exactly who wrote it (neets), and you know exactly that that type of person does not study Aristotle or learn instruments because they are absolutely incapable of discipline. You also know that they are aimless, deeply depressed, and that no one respects them. You can draw yourself as a handsome man who's constantly having fun being a neet, but everyone knows that it couldn't be further from the truth, you know it, we know it, and so does everyone else. There really is no point making such an image.
Yeah, all of the NEETs I know do frick all with their time. I don’t envy that; accomplishing nothing and being so isolated from other people. Talk about a life wasted.
Yeah, all of the wagies I know do frick all with their time. I don’t envy that; accomplishing nothing and spending all their time working. Talk about a life wasted.
Seriously. None of the people I know personally that work 40+ hours do much with their free time. They spend their weekends getting drunk and completing errands or house chores.
I was affirming the sentiment of the other guy, not necessarily making a statement on the virtues of working. The image in the original post talks about all the wonderful things one could do with their time if they don’t work. I’m saying that the NEETs I know don’t do any such things, they jerk off and shitpost online.
This. I’ve NEETed, I’ve wave slaved, and the latter is infinitely better
Some of these responses are comical. Keep it up
You're like that bullied kid that pretends to laugh along with the bullies.
Everyone knows you're not happy. You pretend to be way happier than wagies but I know both neets and unfulfilled wagies, neets are way more depressed and they have a deep inferiority complex that they try to mask by pretending to be more fulfilled and happier. You're an open book and everyone reads through you. This thread is just pure cringe, just stop and go jerk off like you do when you're bored.
Truly, only a worker would be concerned with vulgarities like "happiness". A cursed being.
Dear wagecuck.
It looks like you are stressed and butthurt. I on the other hand am having a great time. You are mistaken that NEETs do not contribute to society, in fact they do. I am an independent scholar. Near me are some medjoul dates, some dark chocolate and I am making some herbal tea that boosts creativity. My work is opportunistic, stochastic and consists of tinkering. We call that bricolage. I am well-read into, but not only, history and sociology. Nowadays I think history is fairy tales for adults. As for sociology, it must integrate biology more. Evolutionary psychology, another of my many interests, are doing well despite the critique it gets. I have also been studying botany now for some time and go flanuering as well as going for plant hunts. I feel that philosophy has its time; it is stuck too much into past. I am inspired by Darwin. He too was a slacker, like so many great minds.
I like to keep track of how language evolves. I think that new loanwords might come from Korean. I see language evolve. It is interesting how language evolves. I believe that without gatekeeping language will diversify, complexify and become more irregular. It seems to go non-linear. As for economics, it seems we are still stuck with the mechanistic view as to the complex systems view. Much to improve. As to describe my philosophy, I am into evolutionary ethics and aristocratic individualism.
Besides all of this, I am working on my magnum opus. It is a work of fiction. With it, I am combining mythology, theology, ideology, sociology, ecology, economics, language, aesthetics and philosophy.
lol an "independent scholar," you're a perpetually online unemployed loser. If your scholarly work was worth anything you'd be able to find employment or publish to a wide enough audience to support you financially and then you'd be... gasp! employed! (at least self-employed). Hearing NEETS describe themselves as scholars is like when Eliot Roger described himself as a "highly intelligent intellectual," just pure delusions of grandeur so they don't have to face the pathetic reality of their lives.
>Hurr durr le capitalism bad all bad things caused by capital
you mean the thing that raised the life expectancy and standard of living for every human being across the entire globe? Any time 2 people willingly engage in trade with each other, that's capitalism. Even the hardcore communist/socialist countries mostly functioned day to day on the black-market economy. Feudalism prospered in places where they had the most free trade. Capitalism isn't some boogieman monster forced on modern civilization. Its just the default mode of existence.
>Any time 2 people willingly engage in trade with each other, that's capitalism
>Any time 2 people willingly engage in trade with each other, that's capitalism
Societies that produce capital are capitalisms, two people barterting are not making any capital lol
Damn never thought I'd see a Bob Black book on here...heh reminds me of my wayward communist days back in 2013. Full wignat now. Funny life.
Y’all are failures and disappointments to your parents. Everyone has had to work throughout history
>Everyone has had to work throughout history
Demonstrably false.
If nobody else is going to you're going to make do with my attempt.
What's wrong with playing video games and watching anime all day?
You gonna burn fast, and get sick and tired.
How long until I get burned out? I've been a NEET for a decade.
Date “3d?” Is this image suggesting I shouldn’t want to date a real woman? Fantastic bait
What do we think of this!?
>Roman teachers were mostly slaves
just like American public school teachers!
amazing how little has changed since the glory of Rome.
>le wage slabery
>gainful employment is slavery
You idiots never talk about debt slavery or the private central banks or the IMF/BIS, really makes you think.
And how would "debt slavery" or "private central banks" exist without anyone working?
I bet you think food comes from the grocery store.
>no answer
Sad.
You're clinically moronic. I'm not here to explain basic economics to underage 12 year olds.
Answer the question.
Also reported for being underageb&.
Get the frick out, you god damn Black person kid.
>hurr let's have capitalism without capitalist institutions
kek I bet you accuse other people of being economically illiterate as well
OP is a welfare trash Black person.
Get a job and father your children.
Wagie rage
Imagine working.
It's really difficult for me to listen to opinions on work voiced by people who are still dependent on their parents money. Why do you frame being pampered by old people and sucking out their life energy and money as some sort of anti-social rebellion? This is the most natural thing to do for a generation that has been barely educated, grown up (in western countries) in some of the best possible material conditions ever, and now witnessing from their (parents') property houses the gradual destruction of the world.
You have been born to please the adults who feed you, you have no economic power and refuse to acquire any, and accept to live as completely dependent from your parents while typing on IQfy that you're somewhat anti-social.
This sounds a lot like being a domestic animal to me.
>It's really difficult for me to listen to opinions on work voiced by people who are still dependent on their employers money. Why do you frame being pampered by people who don't pay taxes and sucking out their life energy and money as some sort of social obligation? This is the most natural thing to do for a generation that has been barely educated, grown up (in western countries) in some of the best possible material conditions ever, and now witnessing from their (employers') work phones the gradual destruction of the world.
>You have been born to please the employers who pay you, you have no economic power and refuse to acquire any, and accept to live as completely dependent from your employers while typing on IQfy that you're somewhat anti-social.
>This sounds a lot like being a domestic animal to me.
you seem confused about what causes people in the real world to go to work
They are predestined to do so by an Evil God.
Post wagie memes
Neet seethe bait.
That shit can't be real, is like a slavery pledge, what the frick?
its the blue collar boomer pledge
Nothing in there is really bad with that in mind. They pretty much need every statement on there.
Something about the Merkelomabic years...the world was traumatized.
Wait can someone explain this meme to me
I just looked it taleb did not write kite runner and has zero relation to it
Why did lit lie to me for years?
I don't need to invent pseudo-philosophy to justify myself being a NEET. I just don't want to get up at 6am every morning and work for 8 hours and come home exhausted every day.
The comic reminds me of this classic, although with some modern memes and le israelites thrown in.
I have wondered before if it is meant to be semi-ironic. The NEET in the comic gets something right in resurrecting most of the substance of the ancient arguments against chasing status and wealth. However, since the Neet has no idea of what the truly good life entails — man's telos — and no indication is given that moral good is important, there is a huge hole in his arguments. How does one choose between the relative merits of vidya and reading Aristotle? Does it just come down to "avoid work because it doesn't feel good, do what feels good?"
But then the entire ancient conception of freedom as self-determination, as freedom from being ruled over by desire, instinct, passion, and circumstance is lost. You just do what feels good. And of course our NEET is ranting about le israelites and shows a certain sort of ressentiment that his supposed reading of Nietzsche should be rooting out.
When he turns blonde in the last frame, going super saiyan, I assume this is supposed to be ironic.
The problem isn't work or striving towards some goal. It's alienation from ones work and lack of freedom. But moderns tend to look at freedom as only freedom from external constraint. Slavery to desire seems as much a risk, if not more, in our modern climate.
It kind of blows my mind that bearded, quasi-homeless, unemployed virgins were the most respected people in society for 1,700 years. Today people read biographies of billionaires like they once read the lives of the saints. Not having "made their own fortune," is like the worst slander you can lay on Musk or Trump, whereas a lot of the saints were born as rich as them and gave their families entire fortune away. And then a number were poor peasants who went full homeless virgin and still were lauded as the height of human achievement despite making zero money or product their whole lives.
The hermits largely helped others through guidance and then the mendicants, which include a lot of the female saints, basically lived in homeless camps but instead of stealing tires they tended the sick and shared alms with the poor.
St. John the Baptist and St. Francis would be the peak homeless.
Socrates was also unemployed and poor. And the Diogenes was actually homeless, living in a barrel.
The saints and the cynics gave up all comfort and dedicated their life to something else. How many neets are taking care of the sick and poor all day? How many neets give up all material comfort and move out onto the streets in the name of philosophy? Just lol at comparing neets to saints and the cynics
not all of us are lucky enough to have parents that let us leech off them forever.
Lazy races are uncompetitive and therefore go extinct.
Source?
>bob black
Imagine reading a FBI informant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
"Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a personal attack as a diversion often using a totally irrelevant, but often highly charged attribute of the opponent's character or background. "
Not an argument, bobby Fed
i dont mind neets but in the us you cant just get autism bucks like you can in europe so this discussion never applied to me. your options here are sponge off your relatives, somehow beat the system and get ssdi or work.
bless the wagies and their checkered blankets and anime
Still waiting for someone to post the transsexual on Fox News that Reddit put up as the head of anti-work or something. YouTube has tried its best to scrub it but it's still out there.
their name was doreen
A major mistake that I haven't seen anyone point out is naming their movement "anti-something". That's why it's tied to a stigma of laziness. Imagine pro life people calling themselves anti choices or pro choices calling themselves anti life.
They should have called themselves pro-leisure or pro-freetime or something. No reasonable person who understands how the world functions would ever identify as "anti work" thats manchild shit
3-D Chess master schooling y'all NEETS.
>mistake
I DO affirm laziness.
i wouldn't mind being a wagie if circumstances were very very different in ways it is frowned upon to even say.
Writing is work, even the coyote works to hunt the deer. Rich people do not need to work to live, most people do or depend on someone who does.
Work is a necessary evil. We can't have anything good if everyone refuses to work. That being said, the 40 hour work week is atrocious, and I wish that reduced hours was advocated for, as much as raising wages in the USA.
Also, neetdom is obviously destructive in the long term, but I have far more sympathy for neets than I do for wages who shame the neets. I fricking hate working and anyone who acts like life neets to revolve around a job can burn in hell for all I care. Neeting is bad but at least I get it. I can't get people who make their job into their life.
>who acts like life neets to revolve around a job
Needs*
We're well beyond the ability to automate ourselves into 20 hour work weeks or less for most people. Everything is done to prevent this as a populous with immense free time is dangerous to those in charge. Mass immigration lowers the cost of labor and thus increases the barrier for automation for jobs that are required for society to function, and also produce a huge strain on the tax base making everything more expensive. Meanwhile many people are given make-work fake jobs that do not meaningfully contribute to society to fill their time as well.
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I know it's a cliche to say the left can't meme, but...
pls anons tell me recently shilled picrel is a israelite psyop.
>Graduating soon and my NEET days will be over
Frick...
You don’t know what NEET stands for. Education is one of the E’s
Oh right.
Well, I'm barely doing shit in my life because it's a moronic and useless business degree, so I might as well be a NEET.
>business degree
i graduated with this last year and have been neeting since
I have an IT degree and no job. Thank GOD for the federal reserve!!!!
>There is no reason to have a job in 2013
We've been having the same arguments, over and over, since 2013. IQfy is digital samsara. I want to leave, but I'm here forever, so the cycle repeats tomorrow.
For me its less about the time waging takes but the energy. I'm starting to think i should just go for a high hour high paying career because any day i wage 8 or more hours is a wasted day anyway because i have no energy to do anything meaningful even if there is still technically time in the day
>That image is already 11 years old
Holy shit
I'm too dumb to figure out how to be 100% work free, but I'd say I'm down to about 4 hour work days but paid for 8s.
I'm a neet and I find this image to be pure cringe. Whoever thinks like this is a loser.
I'm against work but not from the wagecuck position, but rather the leisure class perspective. Any books on this?
I just want about $60,000 worth of land in kentucky and a trailer on it.
>it comes down to israelites and not your own failings as a people and individual
Pottery.
You need work to not rot away. Not me though.
>But I can do anything I want with all my spare time. I can learn an instrument, learn a language, I can study Nietzche or Aristotle, I can learn to paint, watch anime, lift weights, play video games, go out with friends. I can do anything my heart desires
>doesn't learn an instrument
>doesn't learn a language
>doesn't study Nietzche or Aristotle
>doesn't learn to paint
>doesn't lift weights
>doesn't go out with friends
>doesn't even have friends
>watches anime
>plays video games
>browses IQfy for 8 hours a day
Ultimately I'm on the side of the NEETs but lets not kid ourselves here. Most of you spend more time jerking off than doing anything productive
Only because they made amphetamines so difficult to obtain. It's actually proof that they know how powerful us NEETs would be otherwise.
why has no one posted the obvious?