Am I the only one that noticed that the Trojan War is supposed to have taken place around the late 13th - early 12th century BC, the EXACT timeframe t...

Am I the only one that noticed that the Trojan War is supposed to have taken place around the late 13th - early 12th century BC, the EXACT timeframe that Mycenaean civilization is supposed to have collapsed? What am I missing here?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It was either 1160 by Parian chronicle or 1183 by Eratosthenes.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >this isn't suspicious at all. Let's bring it in!

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Both of those events coincide with the beginning of the Iron Age. That is the bigger picture you are missing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That doesn't explain anything. Are you trying to say inventing iron caused everyone to go haywire? Because they were like that the millennium before.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >inventing iron caused everyone to go haywire?
        everyone involved in the bronze trade

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You may be an idiot.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >no argument
            Brilliant

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You didn't present an argument in the first place. You're just like "yeah there was iron, yeah there was bronze". You want a real historical take?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Iron completely changed how wars were fought and something like a siege at Hiserlik became much more viable for Greeks armed with iron weapons. The fall of Troy and the Dorian invasions both coincided with the beginning of iron weaponry and for good reason.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Elaborate on the significance and how it ties them together

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Mycenae was destroyed by the Dorian invaders and the war at Troy was because of the political shift of the availability of iron. Iron becoming a commodity you could use for weapons completely uprooted the world order. It was like their equivalent to a world war.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Settlements we're already being burned twice a century on average between 2000-1000 bc in Europe. It was constant total warfare. If anything,things calmed down after the bronze age collapse.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            While you are right, Wilusa was only ever attacked at stage 7 of 9 settlements corresponding roughly to the era of the Bronze Age collapse. They are absolutely correlated. A trading port like Wilusa is going to be a lot more difficult to plan a siege on as opposed to a ragtag village of twenty people in Thessaly or something.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Wilusa isn't Troy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hiserlik/ Wilusa is most definitely Troy and even if that weren’t the case the fact that nine cities existed on that spot and the only turmoil/ siege happened at stage 7- the end of the Bronze Age this still supports the idea of a Bronze Age collapse brought on by iron technology and weaponry.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There is literally no evidence whatsoever. The treasure of Agamemnon has nothing pertaining to Agamemnon for example. None of the geography line up and none of the allies of either faction are present in Turkey by that time.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, well regardless of that, nine cities existed at that site and only the seventh level which existed AT the end of the Bronze Age had any signs of disruption or of siege which implies All the previous cities existed without disruption until the Bronze Age collapse.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >e. None of the geography line up

            Schliemann himself tried to reason around this by saying that the coast of Anatolia was much closer to Hiserlik 3,000 years ago and that over time sediments filled in the Bay Area. Also the River Scamander (whose deity attempts to fight Achilleus) was also filled in with sediments naturally. It is entirely feasible that ten miles of water existed over what is now the plains of Anatolia.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/32edzWA.jpeg

      Am I the only one that noticed that the Trojan War is supposed to have taken place around the late 13th - early 12th century BC, the EXACT timeframe that Mycenaean civilization is supposed to have collapsed? What am I missing here?

      Also the end of chariots

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They still had chariots in the Imperial Rome period moron

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not that Anon but chariot formations and chariot on chariot assaults as the type mentioned by Nestor in Book 4 of the Iliad are not something known to have survived past that era so he isn’t wrong. While chariots existed the full on assault style use of chariot squads was something only in the Bronze Age.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This is what gayles has to say about Nestor’s speech

          >Nestor’s speech to the charioteers seems to envisage a charge against the enemy, something that never happens in the poem. The passage seems to preserve the memory of a time when massed chariot charges were the decisive element in land battles.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, you are! Truly a unique perspective on a conflict noone has ever really done any research into! You should submit your theory to the University of Oxford immediate!

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's the time of the bronze age collapse anon

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