Am I the only one that noticed that the Trojan War is supposed to have taken place around the late 13th - early 12th century BC, the EXACT timeframe that Mycenaean civilization is supposed to have collapsed? What am I missing here?
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It was either 1160 by Parian chronicle or 1183 by Eratosthenes.
>this isn't suspicious at all. Let's bring it in!
Both of those events coincide with the beginning of the Iron Age. That is the bigger picture you are missing.
That doesn't explain anything. Are you trying to say inventing iron caused everyone to go haywire? Because they were like that the millennium before.
>inventing iron caused everyone to go haywire?
everyone involved in the bronze trade
You may be an idiot.
>no argument
Brilliant
You didn't present an argument in the first place. You're just like "yeah there was iron, yeah there was bronze". You want a real historical take?
Iron completely changed how wars were fought and something like a siege at Hiserlik became much more viable for Greeks armed with iron weapons. The fall of Troy and the Dorian invasions both coincided with the beginning of iron weaponry and for good reason.
Elaborate on the significance and how it ties them together
Mycenae was destroyed by the Dorian invaders and the war at Troy was because of the political shift of the availability of iron. Iron becoming a commodity you could use for weapons completely uprooted the world order. It was like their equivalent to a world war.
Settlements we're already being burned twice a century on average between 2000-1000 bc in Europe. It was constant total warfare. If anything,things calmed down after the bronze age collapse.
While you are right, Wilusa was only ever attacked at stage 7 of 9 settlements corresponding roughly to the era of the Bronze Age collapse. They are absolutely correlated. A trading port like Wilusa is going to be a lot more difficult to plan a siege on as opposed to a ragtag village of twenty people in Thessaly or something.
Wilusa isn't Troy.
Hiserlik/ Wilusa is most definitely Troy and even if that weren’t the case the fact that nine cities existed on that spot and the only turmoil/ siege happened at stage 7- the end of the Bronze Age this still supports the idea of a Bronze Age collapse brought on by iron technology and weaponry.
There is literally no evidence whatsoever. The treasure of Agamemnon has nothing pertaining to Agamemnon for example. None of the geography line up and none of the allies of either faction are present in Turkey by that time.
Okay, well regardless of that, nine cities existed at that site and only the seventh level which existed AT the end of the Bronze Age had any signs of disruption or of siege which implies All the previous cities existed without disruption until the Bronze Age collapse.
>e. None of the geography line up
Schliemann himself tried to reason around this by saying that the coast of Anatolia was much closer to Hiserlik 3,000 years ago and that over time sediments filled in the Bay Area. Also the River Scamander (whose deity attempts to fight Achilleus) was also filled in with sediments naturally. It is entirely feasible that ten miles of water existed over what is now the plains of Anatolia.
Also the end of chariots
They still had chariots in the Imperial Rome period moron
Not that Anon but chariot formations and chariot on chariot assaults as the type mentioned by Nestor in Book 4 of the Iliad are not something known to have survived past that era so he isn’t wrong. While chariots existed the full on assault style use of chariot squads was something only in the Bronze Age.
This is what gayles has to say about Nestor’s speech
>Nestor’s speech to the charioteers seems to envisage a charge against the enemy, something that never happens in the poem. The passage seems to preserve the memory of a time when massed chariot charges were the decisive element in land battles.
Yes, you are! Truly a unique perspective on a conflict noone has ever really done any research into! You should submit your theory to the University of Oxford immediate!
It's the time of the bronze age collapse anon