we know about their achievements and how the European HGs became absorbed among them, etc., but what about when they were HG? where did they come from? Which cluster are they part of? were they basically Natufians and other people from the region?
and how extremely did they go from HG to farmers? I mean, is it different for you to learn agriculture when it already exists, but they were the first... did it involve violence and discord between groups due to the new lifestyle?
dumb grass eaters
they were basically zagro people who went to anatolia
and I don't think there were any disagreements
>zagro people
Related to Iranian Chalc? WE WUZ SHAHS
AHG were originally from the Balkans and colonized frozen Anatolia after the LGM made it hospitable.
Who lived in Anatolia before them? Icemans?
so they were WHG originally??
Anatolia was depopulated in the Ice Age.
>so they were WHG originally??
No, stop thinking in memes. Many WHG were not even majority Villabruna ancestry. All of these groups, EHG, SHG, etc are related because the LGM almost killed the entire West Eurasian genome off. They're all mutted with each other. End of, /thread and
simple as
I don't know.
I want other opinions, that's what topics are for, you know? The end of the topic will be when there are no more answers, not because you said there would be.
No, I've pretty much cleared it up. They weren't WHG. All of these groups will plot close together because the entire black sea region was bottlenecking them, but it's one of the few places they could survive. Look at what happened to Gravettians, wiped out almost entirely except a small branch in Iberia that formed the Fournol cluster with Aurignacian-descendants. They also weren't WHG, just FYI.
No, Fournol was Aurignacian.
Mutted with Vestonice even by that point tbh
>The oldest individual in the Fournol cluster is Ormesson 2988 from northeastern France (31 ka, Early/Middle Gravettian)
They were also not WHG, for anyone concerned.
No proof of that.
>This plot reveals the presence of three distinct groupings: (1) a pre-40ka group with individuals from the Ust’Ishim, Bacho Kiro, Zlatý kůň and Peştera cu Oase sites, (2) a Věstonice cluster including Gravettian-associated individuals from central–eastern and southern European sites (Dolní Věstonice, Pavlov, Krems-Wachtberg, Paglicci and Ostuni), and (3) a Fournol cluster (hereafter, Fournol cluster or ancestry) comprising Gravettian-associated individuals from western and southwestern European sites (Ormesson, La Rochette, Fournol and two Serinyà cave sites (Mollet III and Reclau Viver)). The previously described Věstonice cluster, including a newly reported 29,000-year-old individual from Paglicci cave (Paglicci 12) in southern Italy, is closely related to the previously published genomes from Sunghir and Kostenki 12 in western Russia, which are dated to 34ka and 32ka, respectively4,23. The newly defined Fournol cluster is closely related to Aurignacian-associated individuals from Belgium dated to 35ka (Goyet Q116-1 and the newly reported Goyet Q376-3 individual)
Basically all these groups that had Fournol ancestry had some deeply Vestonice-Aurignacian introgression via Magdalenian ancestry. Then you get groups like Azilian who had ancestry from them and Villabruna, or WHG-proper. And Oberkassel which was mostly Villabruna with some remnant of deeper west euro paleoithic ancestry, often Fournol.
Bizzare stretch.
Cope. AHG samples from Europe were found.
Sources?
literally based on a single individual....actually, it is very acceptable to use a sample to create an entire cluster.
Where?
WHG
source?
Their racial elite was a mixture of Natufian men and Euro (WHG/Villabruna) women while their lower caste was purely European.
ftfm
they were mulattoes.
intermediaries between the Natufian farmers (they were the first farmers) and the WHG. is confirmed by ADMIXTURE and qp-Adm analysis....
The presence of hunter-gatherers of Europe and Near Eastern origin in Central Anatolia was when the AHG were born.
They were Natufian farmers from the Levant who became hunter-gatherers in Anatolia, then farmers again but only after they took women from west of the Balkans. From which they eventually went back into the Balkans and further west.
Makes sense.
Idk
But The analyzed individual belongs to the Y chromosome haplogroup C1a2 (C-V20), which was found in some of the first WHGs, and to the mitochondrial haplogroup K2b