George R.R. Martin is a quality author and a really nice guy, he's very well-respected by other writers. Look up him talking with Stephen King and you'll see, he's kind of like a based high schooler.
Rothfuss is a little bit of a cringelord but his books are very fricking good imo and don't deserve all the shit they catch. The prose is masterfully worked and the worldbuilding, pacing and characterisation is seamless and very compelling. If you like fantasy and you don't like the KKC there's something wrong with you.
George R.R. Martin is a quality author and a really nice guy, he's very well-respected by other writers. Look up him talking with Stephen King and you'll see, he's kind of like a based high schooler.
Rothfuss is a little bit of a cringelord but his books are very fricking good imo and don't deserve all the shit they catch. The prose is masterfully worked and the worldbuilding, pacing and characterisation is seamless and very compelling. If you like fantasy and you don't like the KKC there's something wrong with you.
>First book is good >Second book is literally text RPG with MC visiting various locations and leveling up skills. >Third books didnt come out in 10 years and there is no news about it.
Rothfuss is one hit hack who will never write anything decent again.
Claiming that he has nothing to offer is obviously not true. Millions of people were drawn to and fascinated by his stories. That must count for something, unless you're the only one who counts.
Claiming that he has nothing to offer is obviously not true. Millions of people were drawn to and fascinated by his stories. That must count for something, unless you're the only one who counts.
Oops, replied to the wrong post. Meant to reply to OP.
Why does IQfy hate Martin? Is it because he's popular? Martin for all his faults wrote a never-finished series that is at least compelling, feels grounded, and doesn't lean heavily on its magical aspects, focusing instead on actually interesting narratives and novel situations as they come up fairly organically and letting them resolve dynamically with actual stakes. The same strengths lead to him being unable to finish, but he gave us 3 excellent novels in the meantime.
Personally I've started hating him when he started criticizing Tolkien and saying that he should've shown more grime, sex, blood and shit for the sake of "realism". He said that sex is a thing of life and Tolkien should've shown Hobbits fricking in the Hobbit, which is a children's book with fairytale tones. He's a complete imbecile.
Sauce of him saying hobbits should be fricking in the hobbit.
I'm about 95% convinced that GRRM is a closeted pedophile. You can't write those sex scenes for characters that are essentially 13 years old and expect us to believe that he's simply setting the era. He must've had a raging hard on whilst writing that shit. There are complete chapters describing characters being sucked and fricked, it's even more obscene and porny than the show. It's fricking disgusting, and could only be written by someone hiding his sexual feelings for children.
13 year olds frick if you've been to a western high school and weren't a sperg you'd know this.
because he makes the classic mistake of thinking a grim, depressing, and overall gross setting = a realistic setting. just because a character says the word "frick" and assassinates and/or have sex with one of their cousins does not make the story an accurate representation of mediaeval politics (or make the story compelling for that matter). it has to have a lot more depth than that for it to be labeled as realistic or simply just good.
It has magic that isn't very historical either right my dude? So off base.
>13 year olds frick if you've been to a western high school and weren't a sperg you'd know this.
Aussie who went to private school then transferred to public here. The 13yos who frick aren't normal. If they had any semblance of a stable home and non-degeneratw education they wouldn't do it. People should stop acting like it's natural because society is in the loo atm.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's literally sickening.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How is societal control more natural than just fricking because your hormones tell you too?
2 years ago
Anonymous
How is societal control more natural than just fricking because your hormones tell you too?
Yeah. Nobody in my private jr high was fricking at that age; many Asian parents and rich white families. That was for the poors in the public schools, we all chittered about them supposedly having orgies on the floors of the classroom or something. Note the "poors" in this case were upper middle class white Americans. No matter where you live, private schools are the place parents who care about having higher standards send their kids, even if that's one of the richest zip codes. It's pay to win social gaming.
There might have been some innocent experimenting going on at the time, very closeted, but actual coital sex was non-existent. Actually, intersexual dating was also mostly non-existent until 14 or 15, and then stuff like "go to the movies and maybe kiss".
High school was where the pants flew off.
This was before internet porn existed more or less. I am guessing kids nowadays are doing ATM at 9 or something, though Asian parents likely still care more about this than white ones.
For a trad society take, my wife came from a typical agrarian 3rd world place, and she said this no fricking/dating thing extended most of the way through high school there (it's changing rapidly now due to urbanization and Americanization of culture).
In societies where fricking = unwanted children = unwanted marriage, people don't frick much. And in societies where virtue and morals and shame and such are held high, like most traditional societies, inter-gender relations tend to be very dampened compared to even pre-internet US norms. Making mistakes can get you disowned and ostracized, consigned to a life of extreme poverty. People don't frick around with those stakes. Coomerism isn't worth it when the price is your lifelong honor or worse.
There's exceptions, so an author shouldn't feel required to follow that mold, but I do not think "anything goes, let's frick like monkeys" was considered normal until the 1960s in the US, and even then it took a while for it to transform into frickapalooza today. The Puritans in the 1800s certainly weren't having it.
Almost positive that's not what he said tho. I'm pretty sure he was just saying that he's after a different kind of book than Tolkien wrote. He didn't say the hobbit is LE BAD because of this or that. He said that his stories focus on different things
I just found his writing really fricking boring and wasn't interested in any of the characters except tyrion. Can't really remember any specifics of why as it was ages ago and I dropped the series in the middle of book 3.
I've heard a load of cool stuff comes after that but I just can't be bothered to slog my way through to it, same with wheel of time.
>focusing instead on actually interesting narratives and novel situations as they come up fairly organically and letting them resolve dynamically with actual stakes >narrates about diarrhea
He is a hack
Because IQfy is a den of bitter, deranged, unproductive cretins and whatever they have to say about anything the very opposite is most likely true. Nothing here is ever of any value.
he's a bit smug. also the fact that people call him the American Tolkein, when he's never written anything that's touched Tolkein's achievements. Yeah, he's written some very compelling fantasy books but his series is unfinished and there is so much filler in the fourth and fifth books it's hard to believe it will have a satisfying ending. also IQfy isn't a monolith. even in this one thread there are plenty of people not hating him. although it's easy to get replies by generalizing IQfy as one person... it's just inaccurate.
>feels grounded, and doesn't lean heavily on its magical aspects, focusing instead on actually interesting narratives and novel situations as they come up fairly organically and letting them resolve dynamically with actual stakes.
So what you're saying is that he writes telenovelas disguised as fantasy
I don't know much about him as a person and have judged my impressions of him based on interview clips I've seen where he has an obnoxious smug laugh and pushes his glasses up his nose whenever he's asked about writing. I'm sure in person he's probably a pretty decent guy but probably says "in fact" quite a lot. I've never read any of his work but I'll get around to it one day.
>he gave us 3 excellent novels in the meantime
I literally couldn't put those down when I first read them (had not seen the show yet). It was like being on drugs. A shame he's basically burned out but those three are masterful examples of building a sense of suspense and peril around believable characters embroiled in a conflict.
I'm about 95% convinced that GRRM is a closeted pedophile. You can't write those sex scenes for characters that are essentially 13 years old and expect us to believe that he's simply setting the era. He must've had a raging hard on whilst writing that shit. There are complete chapters describing characters being sucked and fricked, it's even more obscene and porny than the show. It's fricking disgusting, and could only be written by someone hiding his sexual feelings for children.
because he makes the classic mistake of thinking a grim, depressing, and overall gross setting = a realistic setting. just because a character says the word "frick" and assassinates and/or have sex with one of their cousins does not make the story an accurate representation of mediaeval politics (or make the story compelling for that matter). it has to have a lot more depth than that for it to be labeled as realistic or simply just good.
Byzantine politics were pretty fricking brutal my friend. You clearly don't know what you are talking about since he steals a lot of historical violence to write his books.
>Black Dinner: In 1440, the 16-year-old William Douglas, 6th Earl of Douglas, and his younger brother were invited to dine with the ten-year-old King James II of Scotland.[4] Later called the Black Dinner, the occasion was organised by the Lord Chancellor, Sir William Crichton, and James Douglas, 7th Earl of Douglas who inherited the young earl's wealth and titles.[18] While they ate, a black bull's head, a symbol of death, was brought in and placed before the Earl.[4] Over the protests of the young King James II, the two brothers were then dragged out to Castle Hill, given a mock trial and beheaded.[
you misunderstood, i didn't mean that that stuff didn't happen, i meant that that stuff wasn't the only things that happened. of course you had the executions and incest and all that juicy stuff, but that wasn't the whole of mediaeval politics. there was a lot more going under the hood, like legal theories that were developed that interfered with how government functioned, important theological questions that bleed into the realm of secular governance, all sorts of symbolism being utilized as propaganda, and a great amount of differing opinions between nobles and kings about the rights and privileges of each other.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sorry, not everyone wants autistic medieval economic theory and legal processes in a story about fire-breathing dragons and hot b***hes getting railed by various hideous old men.
2 years ago
Anonymous
But what was the tax policy of the hideous old men?
2 years ago
Anonymous
of course not, but Martin has made the claim of depicting realistic mediaeval politics in these books, and throughout they mostly just contain only the more superficial aspects. now if he hadn't made these sorts of claims, i'd imagine most people wouldn't come-down as hard on him as they do (myself included). after all these are decent books, if a little reliant on shock value, and aren't entirely without merit. the real problem originates with Martin himself trying to make them (and by extension, himself) look more high-browed than they actually are.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Literarily speaking, for a fantasy series ASOIAF is quite high-brow. Tonally speaking, it's very gritty. I don't see how you think Martin misses either of these marks.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>after all these are decent books
moron alert
2 years ago
Anonymous
realistic =/= historical. Why does everyone get this fact wrong?
>novel situations as they come up fairly organically and letting them resolve dynamically with actual stakes.
Actual stakes requires a non-nihilistic world. Regardless of the world, the loss of all all nihilistic perspectives is a net benefit.
It's not a nihilistic world. I don't know where this comes from. It's a realistic world. It focuses on dark themes of the middle ages that in many ways was the narrative people believed about the period in the 90s. England's dynastic war was brutal. It wasn't this romantic period of honor and ransom. It was a period of butchery, trechery, and revenge. Knights and lords settled old fueds. A society that had been at war for generations.
>It's not a nihilistic world
It's nihilistic because GRRM is nihilistic and can only create nihilistic worlds. >Nothing after death
Why not give them a realistic DMT trip when they have a NDE, then? Oh that's right. The world is nihilistic.
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Anonymous
Religion is not as strong in the series as it should be but they talk about life after death frequently.
It's not a nihilistic world. I don't know where this comes from. It's a realistic world. It focuses on dark themes of the middle ages that in many ways was the narrative people believed about the period in the 90s. England's dynastic war was brutal. It wasn't this romantic period of honor and ransom. It was a period of butchery, trechery, and revenge. Knights and lords settled old fueds. A society that had been at war for generations.
>I’ve never read asoiaf
It’s not nihilistic, the world is filled with magic and religions. There clearly something bigger going on even though he doesn’t come out and say it straight up.
He back-projects 20th century Hollywood movie clichés about the european middle ages onto a not particularly fantastical world. If you took away the sex, grime, profanity, and diarrhea you'd be left with a cookie cutter generic fantasy setting.
His approach to writing is entirely emblematic of his "what was Aragorn's tax policy?" criticism of Tolkien an elmblematic of why he's moronic. Tyrion is the only interesting character in the novels, the rest are largely one dimensional tropes.
He's a misanthropic c**t with a middling ability to write that hasn't even been able to make his novels be compelling since book 3. It's all just show and bombast but in that modern "everything is grey and shit" sort of way and frankly I can get empty entertainment elsewhere.
“Ser? My lady?” said Podrick. “Is a broken man an outlaw?”
“More or less,” Brienne answered.
Septon Meribald disagreed. “More less than more. There are many sorts of outlaws, just as there are many sorts of birds. A sandpiper and a sea eagle both have wings, but they are not the same. The singers love to sing of good men forced to go outside the law to fight some wicked lord, but most outlaws are more like this ravening Hound than they are the lightning lord. They are evil men, driven by greed, soured by malice, despising the gods and caring only for themselves. Broken men are more deserving of our pity, though they may be just as dangerous. Almost all are common-born, simple folk who had never been more than a mile from the house where they were born until the day some lord came round to take them off to war. Poorly shod and poorly clad, they march away beneath his banners, ofttimes with no better arms than a sickle or a sharpened hoe, or a maul they made themselves by lashing a stone to a stick with strips of hide. Brothers march with brothers, sons with fathers, friends with friends. They’ve heard the songs and stories, so they go off with eager hearts, dreaming of the wonders they will see, of the wealth and glory they will win. War seems a fine adventure, the greatest most of them will ever know.
“Then they get a taste of battle.
“For some, that one taste is enough to break them. Others go on for years, until they lose count of all the battles they have fought in, but even a man who has survived a hundred fights can break in his hundred-and-first. Brothers watch their brothers die, fathers lose their sons, friends see their friends trying to hold their entrails in after they’ve been gutted by an axe.
“They see the lord who led them there cut down, and some other lord shouts that they are his now. They take a wound, and when that’s still half-healed they take another. There is never enough to eat, their shoes fall to pieces from the marching, their clothes are torn and rotting, and half of them are shitting in their breeches from drinking bad water. (1/2)
“If they want new boots or a warmer cloak or maybe a rusted iron halfhelm, they need to take them from a corpse, and before long they are stealing from the living too, from the smallfolk whose lands they’re fighting in, men very like the men they used to be. They slaughter their sheep and steal their chickens, and from there it’s just a short step to carrying off their daughters too. And one day they look around and realize all their friends and kin are gone, that they are fighting beside strangers beneath a banner that they hardly recognize. They don’t know where they are or how to get back home and the lord they’re fighting for does not know their names, yet here he comes, shouting for them to form up, to make a line with their spears and scythes and sharpened hoes, to stand their ground. And the knights come down on them, faceless men clad all in steel, and the iron thunder of their charge seems to fill the world…
“And the man breaks.
“He turns and runs, or crawls off afterward over the corpses of the slain, or steals away in the black of night, and he finds someplace to hide. All thought of home is gone by then, and kings and lords and gods mean less to him than a haunch of spoiled meat that will let him live another day, or a skin of bad wine that might drown his fear for a few hours. The broken man lives from day to day, from meal to meal, more beast than man. Lady Brienne is not wrong. In times like these, the traveler must beware of broken men, and fear them…but he should pity them as well.” (2/2)
Now if any Tolkiengay can find me an excerpt from his work better than this I’d be glad to read it
After a while the king led his men away somewhat eastward, to come between the fires of the siege and the outer fields. Still they were unchallenged, and still Théoden gave no signal.... A smell of burning was in the air and a very shadow of death. The horses were uneasy. But the king sat upon Snowmane, motionless, gazing upon the agony of Minas Tirith, as if stricken suddenly by anguish, or by dread. He seemed to shrink down, cowed by age. Merry himself felt as if a great weight of horror and doubt had settled on him.... They were too late! Too late was worse than never!....
Then suddenly Merry felt it at last, beyond doubt: a change. Wind was in his face! Light was glimmering...
But at that same moment there was a flash, as if lightning had sprung from the earth beneath the City. For a searing second it stood dazzling far off in black and white, its topmost tower like a glittering needle: and then as the darkness closed again there came rolling over the fields a great boom.
At that sound the bent shape of the king sprang suddenly erect. Tall and proud he seemed again; and rising in his stirrups he cried in a loud voice, more clear than any there had ever heard a mortal man achieve before:
Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden!
Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter!
spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!
With that he seized a great horn from Guthláf his banner-bearer, and he blew such a blast upon it that it burst asunder. And straightway all the horns in the host were lifted up in music, and the blowing of the horns of Rohan in that hour was like a storm upon the plain and a thunder in the mountains.
Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!
Suddenly the king cried to Snowmane and the horse sprang away. Behind him his banner blew in the wind, white horse upon a field of green, but he outpaced it. After him thundered the knights of his house, but he was ever before them. Éomer rode there, the white horsetail on his helm floating in his speed, and the front of the first éored roared like a breaker foaming to the shore, but Théoden could not be overtaken. Fey he seemed, or the battle-fury of his fathers ran like new fire in his veins, and he was borne up on Snowmane like a god of old, even as Oromë the Great in the battle of the Valar when the world was young. His golden shield was uncovered, and lo! it shone like an image of the Sun, and the grass flamed into green about the white feet of his steed. For morning came, morning and a wind from the sea; and the darkness was removed, and the hosts of Mordor wailed, and terror took them, and they fled, and died, and the hoofs of wrath rode over them. And then all the host of Rohan burst into song, and they sang as they slew, for the joy of battle was on them, and the sound of their singing that was fair and terrible came even to the City.
“If they want new boots or a warmer cloak or maybe a rusted iron halfhelm, they need to take them from a corpse, and before long they are stealing from the living too, from the smallfolk whose lands they’re fighting in, men very like the men they used to be. They slaughter their sheep and steal their chickens, and from there it’s just a short step to carrying off their daughters too. And one day they look around and realize all their friends and kin are gone, that they are fighting beside strangers beneath a banner that they hardly recognize. They don’t know where they are or how to get back home and the lord they’re fighting for does not know their names, yet here he comes, shouting for them to form up, to make a line with their spears and scythes and sharpened hoes, to stand their ground. And the knights come down on them, faceless men clad all in steel, and the iron thunder of their charge seems to fill the world…
“And the man breaks.
“He turns and runs, or crawls off afterward over the corpses of the slain, or steals away in the black of night, and he finds someplace to hide. All thought of home is gone by then, and kings and lords and gods mean less to him than a haunch of spoiled meat that will let him live another day, or a skin of bad wine that might drown his fear for a few hours. The broken man lives from day to day, from meal to meal, more beast than man. Lady Brienne is not wrong. In times like these, the traveler must beware of broken men, and fear them…but he should pity them as well.” (2/2)
Now if any Tolkiengay can find me an excerpt from his work better than this I’d be glad to read it
Is this from Feast? GURM is always at his best when he writes small scale, like in the Dunk & Egg novellas. The more he broadens the scope of his narrative, the worse it gets. No wonder he struggles so much with keeping his timeline straight and his history cohesive.
Why does IQfy hate Martin? Is it because he's popular? Martin for all his faults wrote a never-finished series that is at least compelling, feels grounded, and doesn't lean heavily on its magical aspects, focusing instead on actually interesting narratives and novel situations as they come up fairly organically and letting them resolve dynamically with actual stakes. The same strengths lead to him being unable to finish, but he gave us 3 excellent novels in the meantime.
>Why does IQfy hate Martin?
To answer your pasta: >Repeats the same phrases ("No one is wholly good or wholly evil") every. Fricking. Interview. His observations on everything are one expects from a lefty boomer israelite (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdOCucU4a9g). IQ is probably 109 at it's highest and he is Dunning-Kruger. He plays off not using a wide vocabulary as something he does on purpose despite never showing in any interview >Critiques Tolkien (an actual polygot genius who GRRM copied) for not treating fantasy realistic >Doesn't know armor isn't heavy and other basic shit >He is praised despite being poor as far as Tolkien knockoffs go. >Forgot Renly's eye color because he doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't care >Strengths lie in describing the internal issues of characters and food.
>Whining >Tolkien butthurt
Have you ever read genre fiction beyond lotr?
Ugly stories with too much shock value and the cringe church is bad theme from 2005 aged poorly.
It’s midwit shit
Post topwit shit then.
>feels grounded
I never understood this, his entire world makes less sense than your average YA bullshit world.
Post examples of YA non-bullshit worlds.
Did you read the books, anon?
80-90% of the content takes place in more or less a standard medieval kingdom revolving around political squabbles.
I'd love to see an actually competent takedown of why that's all unrealistic or incoherent, as compared to historical reality or YA.
“If they want new boots or a warmer cloak or maybe a rusted iron halfhelm, they need to take them from a corpse, and before long they are stealing from the living too, from the smallfolk whose lands they’re fighting in, men very like the men they used to be. They slaughter their sheep and steal their chickens, and from there it’s just a short step to carrying off their daughters too. And one day they look around and realize all their friends and kin are gone, that they are fighting beside strangers beneath a banner that they hardly recognize. They don’t know where they are or how to get back home and the lord they’re fighting for does not know their names, yet here he comes, shouting for them to form up, to make a line with their spears and scythes and sharpened hoes, to stand their ground. And the knights come down on them, faceless men clad all in steel, and the iron thunder of their charge seems to fill the world…
“And the man breaks.
“He turns and runs, or crawls off afterward over the corpses of the slain, or steals away in the black of night, and he finds someplace to hide. All thought of home is gone by then, and kings and lords and gods mean less to him than a haunch of spoiled meat that will let him live another day, or a skin of bad wine that might drown his fear for a few hours. The broken man lives from day to day, from meal to meal, more beast than man. Lady Brienne is not wrong. In times like these, the traveler must beware of broken men, and fear them…but he should pity them as well.” (2/2)
Now if any Tolkiengay can find me an excerpt from his work better than this I’d be glad to read it
Kek, I heard that speech. He mentions some white author that he knows and then has trouble pronouncing a hard as frick name, probably Indian or Muslim for some diversity award.
Ideology and religion are the same thing. This goes for your pet ideology too.
Make gods out of words, pick up a sword to slay the heathens. Good human.
>All the Martin critics itt who have to nitpick through his works for minor shit like one poorly written sentence and le "unrealistic" depictions of x itt
This is Martin's actual approximate progress on Winds if you pay attention and compare what he says in interviews. The first 375~ pages (200 complete, 175 manuscript/rough draft) were leftovers he cut from Dance. Putting aside the 100~ pages he MAYBE completed around 2015, the dude literally did ZERO work on the book until the coof locked him in his home.
He just kept saying in many different words that he was about a quarter of the way done Winds for half a decade, even though that only accounts for stuff we already know was cut from Dance. He gave the illusion of progress, though I'm not convinced it was intentional deceit.
He reminds me of myself working on a late uni assignment, people ask me if I've made progress and I overestimate by a page or two because although I slacked off and did nothing last night, I'm SURELY going to get lots of work hammered out tonight, right? Then a week later I'm still not at the point I initially estimated I was at.
Anon, he's not going to finish. He doesn't want to finish. He has no need to finish. He's moved on completely. He just keeps bullshitting to string along the clueless and piss off the haters in their endless loop of entitled whining while he rolls in a bathtub full of gold coins as his 24/7 team of personal masseuses massages and sucks him off.
You are in this picture. Not the fun part, though.
>he's not going to finish
I agree. What in my post made it seem like I wasn't doomposting his progress?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your analogy of being a procrastinating academic made it seem like he's actually set a goal to finish and is making excuses. Your entire post has an underlying irritation about it that's inappropriate.
He never has to turn that paper in. Time to stop caring and move on.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I expressed my sympathy towards his unprofessionalism. No need to be such an autist, anon.
I will always love George. I think we've all had an experience where we found ourselves in a dark place, but then discovered that getting lost in the world of a good book truly helped us survive our own darkness and ultimately escape our lowest point. George happened to be the writer that provided that experience for me, and for that I will always be grateful. I can't hate him.
patrick rothfuss
George R.R. Martin is a quality author and a really nice guy, he's very well-respected by other writers. Look up him talking with Stephen King and you'll see, he's kind of like a based high schooler.
Rothfuss is a little bit of a cringelord but his books are very fricking good imo and don't deserve all the shit they catch. The prose is masterfully worked and the worldbuilding, pacing and characterisation is seamless and very compelling. If you like fantasy and you don't like the KKC there's something wrong with you.
>The prose is masterfully worked
certainly better crafted than your bait, anon. have a (you) for effort
Give me your best fantasy novel prose post-Mervyn Peake, then.
Tolkien
Holy shit, Peake was ahead of the curve
>First book is good
>Second book is literally text RPG with MC visiting various locations and leveling up skills.
>Third books didnt come out in 10 years and there is no news about it.
Rothfuss is one hit hack who will never write anything decent again.
Me 🙁
you are better than grrm anon
I believe in you
unless you write all those paragraphs about shit
Same 🙁
GRRM is the second best fantasy author, the first being Tolkien.
And neither of those are better than Mervyn Peake.
>Mervyn Peake
Literally who? I swear, trying to appeal to obscure authors to prove a point is just stupid at this point.
>Mervyn Peake
>Very famous author who even Bloom recognized as being great
>Literal who
Anon, I think you need to read more.
b8
Hi, Mike
Different categories, Tolkien is prob the best childrens book/TA writer
I think C.S. Lewis is much better than GRRM.
I also think Mary Stewart is quite a bit better.
There are many better and even more worse.
Claiming that he has nothing to offer is obviously not true. Millions of people were drawn to and fascinated by his stories. That must count for something, unless you're the only one who counts.
Oops, replied to the wrong post. Meant to reply to OP.
start with the greeks
Why does IQfy hate Martin? Is it because he's popular? Martin for all his faults wrote a never-finished series that is at least compelling, feels grounded, and doesn't lean heavily on its magical aspects, focusing instead on actually interesting narratives and novel situations as they come up fairly organically and letting them resolve dynamically with actual stakes. The same strengths lead to him being unable to finish, but he gave us 3 excellent novels in the meantime.
Because he’s popular and people on IQfy like to be contrarians.
Personally I've started hating him when he started criticizing Tolkien and saying that he should've shown more grime, sex, blood and shit for the sake of "realism". He said that sex is a thing of life and Tolkien should've shown Hobbits fricking in the Hobbit, which is a children's book with fairytale tones. He's a complete imbecile.
Sauce of him saying hobbits should be fricking in the hobbit.
13 year olds frick if you've been to a western high school and weren't a sperg you'd know this.
It has magic that isn't very historical either right my dude? So off base.
you also misunderstood me. of course the fantasy elements are not, in of themselves, realistic, but they can be depicted in a realistic way.
>13 year olds frick if you've been to a western high school and weren't a sperg you'd know this.
Aussie who went to private school then transferred to public here. The 13yos who frick aren't normal. If they had any semblance of a stable home and non-degeneratw education they wouldn't do it. People should stop acting like it's natural because society is in the loo atm.
It's literally sickening.
How is societal control more natural than just fricking because your hormones tell you too?
Yeah. Nobody in my private jr high was fricking at that age; many Asian parents and rich white families. That was for the poors in the public schools, we all chittered about them supposedly having orgies on the floors of the classroom or something. Note the "poors" in this case were upper middle class white Americans. No matter where you live, private schools are the place parents who care about having higher standards send their kids, even if that's one of the richest zip codes. It's pay to win social gaming.
There might have been some innocent experimenting going on at the time, very closeted, but actual coital sex was non-existent. Actually, intersexual dating was also mostly non-existent until 14 or 15, and then stuff like "go to the movies and maybe kiss".
High school was where the pants flew off.
This was before internet porn existed more or less. I am guessing kids nowadays are doing ATM at 9 or something, though Asian parents likely still care more about this than white ones.
For a trad society take, my wife came from a typical agrarian 3rd world place, and she said this no fricking/dating thing extended most of the way through high school there (it's changing rapidly now due to urbanization and Americanization of culture).
In societies where fricking = unwanted children = unwanted marriage, people don't frick much. And in societies where virtue and morals and shame and such are held high, like most traditional societies, inter-gender relations tend to be very dampened compared to even pre-internet US norms. Making mistakes can get you disowned and ostracized, consigned to a life of extreme poverty. People don't frick around with those stakes. Coomerism isn't worth it when the price is your lifelong honor or worse.
There's exceptions, so an author shouldn't feel required to follow that mold, but I do not think "anything goes, let's frick like monkeys" was considered normal until the 1960s in the US, and even then it took a while for it to transform into frickapalooza today. The Puritans in the 1800s certainly weren't having it.
They where you are just a loser who had no idea
Daily reminder that meme images and greentext on IQfy are not actual quotes from real life people.
Almost positive that's not what he said tho. I'm pretty sure he was just saying that he's after a different kind of book than Tolkien wrote. He didn't say the hobbit is LE BAD because of this or that. He said that his stories focus on different things
You're right, that's not what he said, but do people who hate him really care?
>Is it because he's popular?
yup
I just found his writing really fricking boring and wasn't interested in any of the characters except tyrion. Can't really remember any specifics of why as it was ages ago and I dropped the series in the middle of book 3.
I've heard a load of cool stuff comes after that but I just can't be bothered to slog my way through to it, same with wheel of time.
>focusing instead on actually interesting narratives and novel situations as they come up fairly organically and letting them resolve dynamically with actual stakes
>narrates about diarrhea
He is a hack
He's disgusting and pretentious, but I wouldn't call him the worst author.
Because IQfy is a den of bitter, deranged, unproductive cretins and whatever they have to say about anything the very opposite is most likely true. Nothing here is ever of any value.
Especially your post.
he's a bit smug. also the fact that people call him the American Tolkein, when he's never written anything that's touched Tolkein's achievements. Yeah, he's written some very compelling fantasy books but his series is unfinished and there is so much filler in the fourth and fifth books it's hard to believe it will have a satisfying ending. also IQfy isn't a monolith. even in this one thread there are plenty of people not hating him. although it's easy to get replies by generalizing IQfy as one person... it's just inaccurate.
he was better than Tolkien before even writing game thrones
>t. brainletlet
what book or work of his is better?
Game thrones, sandkings, prob most other shit
People forget return of the king was shit and two towers just average at best
>feels grounded, and doesn't lean heavily on its magical aspects, focusing instead on actually interesting narratives and novel situations as they come up fairly organically and letting them resolve dynamically with actual stakes.
So what you're saying is that he writes telenovelas disguised as fantasy
I don't know much about him as a person and have judged my impressions of him based on interview clips I've seen where he has an obnoxious smug laugh and pushes his glasses up his nose whenever he's asked about writing. I'm sure in person he's probably a pretty decent guy but probably says "in fact" quite a lot. I've never read any of his work but I'll get around to it one day.
>proceeds to pull out pipe
>writes letter gushing over israelites
>smugly talk about life even tho he is a posh academic that has never done anything
>he gave us 3 excellent novels in the meantime
I literally couldn't put those down when I first read them (had not seen the show yet). It was like being on drugs. A shame he's basically burned out but those three are masterful examples of building a sense of suspense and peril around believable characters embroiled in a conflict.
You have no standards.
I'm about 95% convinced that GRRM is a closeted pedophile. You can't write those sex scenes for characters that are essentially 13 years old and expect us to believe that he's simply setting the era. He must've had a raging hard on whilst writing that shit. There are complete chapters describing characters being sucked and fricked, it's even more obscene and porny than the show. It's fricking disgusting, and could only be written by someone hiding his sexual feelings for children.
> There are complete chapters describing characters being sucked and fricked
Nice of you to tell us you haven’t read the books
>There are complete chapters describing characters being sucked and fricked, it's even more obscene and porny than the show.
seconding
you obviously haven't read the books. GRRM has his issues but you're just making outright lies. fricking off topic annoying bait
Read them all mate
tell us more of these chapters and chapters of sex you read
my b i made that post confusing. i was agreeing with you-- there are no chapters of sex. it is not nearly as porny as the show.
It really makes me wonder how many people even read him.
Every man is a hebephile
fedposting hours
because he makes the classic mistake of thinking a grim, depressing, and overall gross setting = a realistic setting. just because a character says the word "frick" and assassinates and/or have sex with one of their cousins does not make the story an accurate representation of mediaeval politics (or make the story compelling for that matter). it has to have a lot more depth than that for it to be labeled as realistic or simply just good.
Byzantine politics were pretty fricking brutal my friend. You clearly don't know what you are talking about since he steals a lot of historical violence to write his books.
>Black Dinner: In 1440, the 16-year-old William Douglas, 6th Earl of Douglas, and his younger brother were invited to dine with the ten-year-old King James II of Scotland.[4] Later called the Black Dinner, the occasion was organised by the Lord Chancellor, Sir William Crichton, and James Douglas, 7th Earl of Douglas who inherited the young earl's wealth and titles.[18] While they ate, a black bull's head, a symbol of death, was brought in and placed before the Earl.[4] Over the protests of the young King James II, the two brothers were then dragged out to Castle Hill, given a mock trial and beheaded.[
>You clearly don't know what you are talking about
Did you forget you were on IQfy?
you misunderstood, i didn't mean that that stuff didn't happen, i meant that that stuff wasn't the only things that happened. of course you had the executions and incest and all that juicy stuff, but that wasn't the whole of mediaeval politics. there was a lot more going under the hood, like legal theories that were developed that interfered with how government functioned, important theological questions that bleed into the realm of secular governance, all sorts of symbolism being utilized as propaganda, and a great amount of differing opinions between nobles and kings about the rights and privileges of each other.
Sorry, not everyone wants autistic medieval economic theory and legal processes in a story about fire-breathing dragons and hot b***hes getting railed by various hideous old men.
But what was the tax policy of the hideous old men?
of course not, but Martin has made the claim of depicting realistic mediaeval politics in these books, and throughout they mostly just contain only the more superficial aspects. now if he hadn't made these sorts of claims, i'd imagine most people wouldn't come-down as hard on him as they do (myself included). after all these are decent books, if a little reliant on shock value, and aren't entirely without merit. the real problem originates with Martin himself trying to make them (and by extension, himself) look more high-browed than they actually are.
Literarily speaking, for a fantasy series ASOIAF is quite high-brow. Tonally speaking, it's very gritty. I don't see how you think Martin misses either of these marks.
>after all these are decent books
moron alert
realistic =/= historical. Why does everyone get this fact wrong?
>*Plays ck2 once*
>uses mediaeval
Pseud detected, ignored.
sorry, i could just never really remember how to spell it properly.
I've become copypasta'd. Nice choice, anon.
It’s sad that this is the most recent effortpost I’ve seen
worst written sex scenes in all of fiction, I would rather read about canibalism
>worst written sex scenes in all of fiction
You haven't even scratched the surface.
I would bet half of them never read them in recent memory. IQfy always hates things they don't read.
>novel situations as they come up fairly organically and letting them resolve dynamically with actual stakes.
Actual stakes requires a non-nihilistic world. Regardless of the world, the loss of all all nihilistic perspectives is a net benefit.
It's not nihilistic and it still hurts when your whole family gets murdered, regardles of what meme philosophy you subsribe to.
>It's not nihilistic
>It's not a nihilistic world
It's nihilistic because GRRM is nihilistic and can only create nihilistic worlds.
>Nothing after death
Why not give them a realistic DMT trip when they have a NDE, then? Oh that's right. The world is nihilistic.
Religion is not as strong in the series as it should be but they talk about life after death frequently.
It's not a nihilistic world. I don't know where this comes from. It's a realistic world. It focuses on dark themes of the middle ages that in many ways was the narrative people believed about the period in the 90s. England's dynastic war was brutal. It wasn't this romantic period of honor and ransom. It was a period of butchery, trechery, and revenge. Knights and lords settled old fueds. A society that had been at war for generations.
>I’ve never read asoiaf
It’s not nihilistic, the world is filled with magic and religions. There clearly something bigger going on even though he doesn’t come out and say it straight up.
He back-projects 20th century Hollywood movie clichés about the european middle ages onto a not particularly fantastical world. If you took away the sex, grime, profanity, and diarrhea you'd be left with a cookie cutter generic fantasy setting.
>He back-projects 20th century hollywood movie clichés about the european middle ages onto a not particularly fantastical world
Such as?
>Dawn found her squatting in the grass
Ugly stories with too much shock value and the cringe church is bad theme from 2005 aged poorly.
It’s midwit shit
>Why does IQfy hate Martin? Is it because he's popular?
It's because he's garbage.
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>feels grounded
I never understood this, his entire world makes less sense than your average YA bullshit world.
explain what you mean anon-san.
ahhaha sometimes IQfy says the dumbest things
This reads as if you pasted directly from reddit.
His approach to writing is entirely emblematic of his "what was Aragorn's tax policy?" criticism of Tolkien an elmblematic of why he's moronic. Tyrion is the only interesting character in the novels, the rest are largely one dimensional tropes.
He's a misanthropic c**t with a middling ability to write that hasn't even been able to make his novels be compelling since book 3. It's all just show and bombast but in that modern "everything is grey and shit" sort of way and frankly I can get empty entertainment elsewhere.
literally nothing has happened in the most recent two books
There's the break, very nice, very nice.
Terry Goodkind. We can only wish he'd stop writing books.
He's already dead you pseud
Oh shit, I didn't know he'd died. I feel a little bad now.
I too didn't know he died
F gardner
scott lynch
Rowling.
Penis
Whoever invented this New Yorker icon style deserves to be shot
Chesterton?
Danielle Steele. She's worse than them all.
Yeah, you.
and GRRM will finish WoW soon. It'll probably be published 2024-2025. I'm less hopefully about DoS tho....
>2024-2025
Two more years.
“Ser? My lady?” said Podrick. “Is a broken man an outlaw?”
“More or less,” Brienne answered.
Septon Meribald disagreed. “More less than more. There are many sorts of outlaws, just as there are many sorts of birds. A sandpiper and a sea eagle both have wings, but they are not the same. The singers love to sing of good men forced to go outside the law to fight some wicked lord, but most outlaws are more like this ravening Hound than they are the lightning lord. They are evil men, driven by greed, soured by malice, despising the gods and caring only for themselves. Broken men are more deserving of our pity, though they may be just as dangerous. Almost all are common-born, simple folk who had never been more than a mile from the house where they were born until the day some lord came round to take them off to war. Poorly shod and poorly clad, they march away beneath his banners, ofttimes with no better arms than a sickle or a sharpened hoe, or a maul they made themselves by lashing a stone to a stick with strips of hide. Brothers march with brothers, sons with fathers, friends with friends. They’ve heard the songs and stories, so they go off with eager hearts, dreaming of the wonders they will see, of the wealth and glory they will win. War seems a fine adventure, the greatest most of them will ever know.
“Then they get a taste of battle.
“For some, that one taste is enough to break them. Others go on for years, until they lose count of all the battles they have fought in, but even a man who has survived a hundred fights can break in his hundred-and-first. Brothers watch their brothers die, fathers lose their sons, friends see their friends trying to hold their entrails in after they’ve been gutted by an axe.
“They see the lord who led them there cut down, and some other lord shouts that they are his now. They take a wound, and when that’s still half-healed they take another. There is never enough to eat, their shoes fall to pieces from the marching, their clothes are torn and rotting, and half of them are shitting in their breeches from drinking bad water. (1/2)
“If they want new boots or a warmer cloak or maybe a rusted iron halfhelm, they need to take them from a corpse, and before long they are stealing from the living too, from the smallfolk whose lands they’re fighting in, men very like the men they used to be. They slaughter their sheep and steal their chickens, and from there it’s just a short step to carrying off their daughters too. And one day they look around and realize all their friends and kin are gone, that they are fighting beside strangers beneath a banner that they hardly recognize. They don’t know where they are or how to get back home and the lord they’re fighting for does not know their names, yet here he comes, shouting for them to form up, to make a line with their spears and scythes and sharpened hoes, to stand their ground. And the knights come down on them, faceless men clad all in steel, and the iron thunder of their charge seems to fill the world…
“And the man breaks.
“He turns and runs, or crawls off afterward over the corpses of the slain, or steals away in the black of night, and he finds someplace to hide. All thought of home is gone by then, and kings and lords and gods mean less to him than a haunch of spoiled meat that will let him live another day, or a skin of bad wine that might drown his fear for a few hours. The broken man lives from day to day, from meal to meal, more beast than man. Lady Brienne is not wrong. In times like these, the traveler must beware of broken men, and fear them…but he should pity them as well.” (2/2)
Now if any Tolkiengay can find me an excerpt from his work better than this I’d be glad to read it
After a while the king led his men away somewhat eastward, to come between the fires of the siege and the outer fields. Still they were unchallenged, and still Théoden gave no signal.... A smell of burning was in the air and a very shadow of death. The horses were uneasy. But the king sat upon Snowmane, motionless, gazing upon the agony of Minas Tirith, as if stricken suddenly by anguish, or by dread. He seemed to shrink down, cowed by age. Merry himself felt as if a great weight of horror and doubt had settled on him.... They were too late! Too late was worse than never!....
Then suddenly Merry felt it at last, beyond doubt: a change. Wind was in his face! Light was glimmering...
But at that same moment there was a flash, as if lightning had sprung from the earth beneath the City. For a searing second it stood dazzling far off in black and white, its topmost tower like a glittering needle: and then as the darkness closed again there came rolling over the fields a great boom.
At that sound the bent shape of the king sprang suddenly erect. Tall and proud he seemed again; and rising in his stirrups he cried in a loud voice, more clear than any there had ever heard a mortal man achieve before:
Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden!
Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter!
spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!
With that he seized a great horn from Guthláf his banner-bearer, and he blew such a blast upon it that it burst asunder. And straightway all the horns in the host were lifted up in music, and the blowing of the horns of Rohan in that hour was like a storm upon the plain and a thunder in the mountains.
Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!
Suddenly the king cried to Snowmane and the horse sprang away. Behind him his banner blew in the wind, white horse upon a field of green, but he outpaced it. After him thundered the knights of his house, but he was ever before them. Éomer rode there, the white horsetail on his helm floating in his speed, and the front of the first éored roared like a breaker foaming to the shore, but Théoden could not be overtaken. Fey he seemed, or the battle-fury of his fathers ran like new fire in his veins, and he was borne up on Snowmane like a god of old, even as Oromë the Great in the battle of the Valar when the world was young. His golden shield was uncovered, and lo! it shone like an image of the Sun, and the grass flamed into green about the white feet of his steed. For morning came, morning and a wind from the sea; and the darkness was removed, and the hosts of Mordor wailed, and terror took them, and they fled, and died, and the hoofs of wrath rode over them. And then all the host of Rohan burst into song, and they sang as they slew, for the joy of battle was on them, and the sound of their singing that was fair and terrible came even to the City.
Is this from Feast? GURM is always at his best when he writes small scale, like in the Dunk & Egg novellas. The more he broadens the scope of his narrative, the worse it gets. No wonder he struggles so much with keeping his timeline straight and his history cohesive.
He struggles with syntax.
>Why does IQfy hate Martin?
To answer your pasta:
>Repeats the same phrases ("No one is wholly good or wholly evil") every. Fricking. Interview. His observations on everything are one expects from a lefty boomer israelite (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdOCucU4a9g). IQ is probably 109 at it's highest and he is Dunning-Kruger. He plays off not using a wide vocabulary as something he does on purpose despite never showing in any interview
>Critiques Tolkien (an actual polygot genius who GRRM copied) for not treating fantasy realistic
>Doesn't know armor isn't heavy and other basic shit
>He is praised despite being poor as far as Tolkien knockoffs go.
>Forgot Renly's eye color because he doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't care
>Strengths lie in describing the internal issues of characters and food.
>HE FORGOT RENLYS EYE COLOR!
Get a load of this pedantry lmao
>Whining
>Tolkien butthurt
Have you ever read genre fiction beyond lotr?
Post topwit shit then.
Post examples of YA non-bullshit worlds.
Did you read the books, anon?
80-90% of the content takes place in more or less a standard medieval kingdom revolving around political squabbles.
I'd love to see an actually competent takedown of why that's all unrealistic or incoherent, as compared to historical reality or YA.
this is garbage
Seethe more
C.S. Lewis
BASED
Kek, I heard that speech. He mentions some white author that he knows and then has trouble pronouncing a hard as frick name, probably Indian or Muslim for some diversity award.
>offset
So after a list of SINS the poor sinner is obligated to PAY INDULGENCES to these feminist causes so his soul can be redeemed.
It's funny how they're all atheistic and hate christianity but then copy the worst aspects and claim it as their own.
Ideology and religion are the same thing. This goes for your pet ideology too.
Make gods out of words, pick up a sword to slay the heathens. Good human.
Me
Martin is not a nihilist, he strongly believes in things like feminism. I mean, maybe cringe but he does have values.
I’d honestly rate Martin far above that homosexual Moorwiener.
>NOOOOOO YOU MUST HAVE HAPPY ENDINGS AND EVERY BOOK MUST BE COMPLETELY SEPERATE FROM EACHOTHER YOU DOING ME A HECKING CONFUSERINOOOOOOOO
The fact your complaining over the fat fricker just shows you care too much.
Read what you want and stop shitting bricks over a mediocre author.
>Read what you want and stop shitting bricks over a mediocre author.
But this is IQfy, no one reads.
That's not true, I read IQfy posts!
L. Ron Hubbard
>All the Martin critics itt who have to nitpick through his works for minor shit like one poorly written sentence and le "unrealistic" depictions of x itt
patrick tomlinson
>who
check the farms, he has 750 pages of autism
This is Martin's actual approximate progress on Winds if you pay attention and compare what he says in interviews. The first 375~ pages (200 complete, 175 manuscript/rough draft) were leftovers he cut from Dance. Putting aside the 100~ pages he MAYBE completed around 2015, the dude literally did ZERO work on the book until the coof locked him in his home.
He just kept saying in many different words that he was about a quarter of the way done Winds for half a decade, even though that only accounts for stuff we already know was cut from Dance. He gave the illusion of progress, though I'm not convinced it was intentional deceit.
He reminds me of myself working on a late uni assignment, people ask me if I've made progress and I overestimate by a page or two because although I slacked off and did nothing last night, I'm SURELY going to get lots of work hammered out tonight, right? Then a week later I'm still not at the point I initially estimated I was at.
Anon, he's not going to finish. He doesn't want to finish. He has no need to finish. He's moved on completely. He just keeps bullshitting to string along the clueless and piss off the haters in their endless loop of entitled whining while he rolls in a bathtub full of gold coins as his 24/7 team of personal masseuses massages and sucks him off.
You are in this picture. Not the fun part, though.
>he's not going to finish
I agree. What in my post made it seem like I wasn't doomposting his progress?
Your analogy of being a procrastinating academic made it seem like he's actually set a goal to finish and is making excuses. Your entire post has an underlying irritation about it that's inappropriate.
He never has to turn that paper in. Time to stop caring and move on.
I expressed my sympathy towards his unprofessionalism. No need to be such an autist, anon.
2 more weeks
Hi Preston
rick riordan
why would anyone not in grade school read rick riordan, even by YA standards his shit is terrible
lots. my fiance reads girl books and man they suck
Eddings tied up his kids in a dungeon and he still managed to finish his one series five times over
I will always love George. I think we've all had an experience where we found ourselves in a dark place, but then discovered that getting lost in the world of a good book truly helped us survive our own darkness and ultimately escape our lowest point. George happened to be the writer that provided that experience for me, and for that I will always be grateful. I can't hate him.
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