Is that matter then coming from somewhere else? The overall mass of the earth isn't changing is it? If every archeological site is underground then corresponding other parts of the earth must have LESS ground than in eons past. Unless the overall mass and matter of the planet is increasing.
But it strikes me as odd that EVERY archeological site is underground. Is ALL the ground on the planet rising slowly with time? Or is it just because the stuff that was not covered up by new soil was not preserved over time?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not all of them are. And those that aren't underground aren't preserved nearly as long.
It depends on various things, like the surrounding environment, or the involvement of people.
Your OP pic kinda implies an European context, so one can imagine an abandoned stone structure where a forest ends up growing after a century. Now, those trees will be constantly pulling matter from the soil and using it to maintain themselves and grow as living organisms, and when they shed leaves or die, that matter will stay above ground and add onto the soil layer. The ruins, however, aren't maintaining themselves, so the only thing they can do is either get eroded away if they stay at the surface, or sink deeper and deeper as they keep getting covered by new soil.
In other places, like desert environments, ruins may get buried by sand for a while, and be preserved that way.
Also, there are places around the Mediterranean that have been inhabited for so long, the mere continuous presence of humans has created a literal hill of shit and refuse, you can bet there are some older structures underneath that.
The ground isn't rising, it's just being recycled constantly, like a thick soup that's stirred very very slowly.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The ground isn't rising,
So is the ground beneath these ruins then sinking?
And if the trees are dropping leaves and themselves and building new soil, does that raise the overall level of the ground? Or does the ground sink as the trees grow and pull nutrients and matter from the surrounding soil?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Say the world is made of boxes all of the same size, like in Minecraft. Each box contains useful stuff for plants that grow on top of them, at the surface. However, one day, people build boxes that plants can't get anything from.
Plants will get the boxes underground, and when they die, they'll leave another one of those boxes where they stood at the surface.
What do you think happens to the box no plant can use?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Also maybe the Earth's mass IS increasing with time as the planet turns the sun's rays into matter like plants. E=mc2, etc.
All of these and more are consistently above ground level, what weed are you smoking? Archaeology isnt just whats underground????
Also maybe the Earth's mass IS increasing with time as the planet turns the sun's rays into matter like plants. E=mc2, etc.
Also wtf?! >mf actually thinks photosynthesis turns light into matter
Google is free, but you need double digit IQ to read, so idk
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>>mf actually thinks photosynthesis turns light into matter
Hell I don't know dude. If photosynthesis doesn't turn energy into matter then where does all this extra matter come from? Where are the corresponding depressions in the earth to make up for the new soil over much of the landmass?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
There is no extra mass being created. Plants grow in volume, not mass. For all intents and purposes, Earths gravity doesn't change over time, and whatever detectable change there is comes from debris from space entering the atmosphere
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Plants make new "plant matter" from CO2 and the shit they eat off the ground...
Bait or moronic, this cant be real....
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Bait or moronic, this cant be real....
People here think the holocaust never happened and Jesus wasn't israeli. I'm pretty sure the average IQ on this board is easily under 90
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What you guys are suggesting that the whole earth is a giant compost heap.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yes
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Always has been.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the holocaust never happened
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You know what you're right anon, at first I thought the holocaust was real, but was shown the light by none other than unz.com "A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media" because its apparently impossible to have an agenda if you're antisemitic!
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
i guess you don't have to read it if you already know what it's about lollll
i bet you fancy yourself scientific and open minded...
pathetic
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
"im only pretending" mfs need to go back
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
There was a famous experiment. I’ll look it up for you if you can’t find it, but yes, plants are 99% air and water. They get almost nothing from the ground itself. The dirt is inert (mostly).
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Photosynthesis isn't magic, it's just the power source for other chemical processes. Trees gather CO2, nitrogen, water, etc. from the air and the ground.
Think of it like chinese slaves building iphones, except the iphone factory is a leaf factory inside the tree. Solar power just keeps the leaf factory's lights on. Like how those crafty little chinks aren't building iphones using the electricity coming from some nuclear reactor, the nuclear power is just keep the conveyer belt running for the chinks.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Dirt and filth build up incredibly fast in cities. It took the modernization of waste management services as well as the decline of horses to really combat the constant mountain of shit that collects everywhere.
There's plenty of archeology that isn't buried. Macchu Picchu, as an example. Plenty that are also "buried" but not necessarily buried under earth, like those hidden by jungle growth. And see this post
Most cases its not that severe, its actually rare for shit to be this deep.
In portugal, many roman and medieval ruins are at ground level, in some cases you can literally dig a few inches deep and find a roman garum facility or find intact walls
Iron age shit also, even many dolmens, its all in the open.
Underground stuff is more common in areas where a lot of flooding happens or when people build on top of old.
Another Portugal example is the Lisbon Roman Theatre, it was hidden until recently, it was quite literally beneath some houses and road on the face of a steep hill, which also had ruins from: post roman barbarian shitholes, muslim housing, reconquista housing, renaissance housing, illuminist era housing, victorian era housing, and evidence of the earthquake and fire even.
So yeah, this shit is very contextual but very possible
underground doesn't necessarily mean buried deeper than your grandfather, mostly its just stuff covered by a light layer of topsoil that's collected from wind over the hundreds of years since someone's lived there.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you are such a moron
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Is ALL the ground on the planet rising slowly with time?
You cracked the code.
Geologically active planets expand slowly.
A good example is the moon. It's covered in craters from impacts, if it were stable and didn't change then the craters would be equally distributed.
But they aren't, there are many in some areas and fewer in others. That's because at some point in the past, the moon produced new land.
>Is that matter then coming from somewhere else?
Volcanoes.
Given enough time matter that sinks deep enough might eventually get ejected back out onto the surface.
Is there a simple YouTube video that explains how this is possible? I get that leaves and maybe an area that floods will grow taller over time. But seeing the depth between iron age and nineteenth century level is hard to comprehend.
Look at the amount of detritus accumulated on this driveway,
and this is just from plants drawing up substances from below as well as carbon from the air to their leaves then leaving them on top and perhaps also rain. In general dirt will move from soft surfaces to hard surfaces that are more resistant to erosion. Consider also in an area with human activity there will be horses and humans spilling dirt everywhere, 1mm a year amounts to 30cm over 300 years. Sometimes objects are deliberately placed underground like foundations. Sometimes, like the leaning tower of Pisa, the earth beneath gradually gives way to heavy objects on top.
The opposite can happen elsewhere with erosion causing objects to "rise" relative to ground level, until they topple over.
>Onions idiot trespasses property and starts to frick up the natural biome the owner intended to create
I would punch the teeth out of this Black person.
What do you think happens when someone builds something where there used to be an older building? They build on top of the foundation of the older building. Older building foundation now underground.
Most cases its not that severe, its actually rare for shit to be this deep.
In portugal, many roman and medieval ruins are at ground level, in some cases you can literally dig a few inches deep and find a roman garum facility or find intact walls
Iron age shit also, even many dolmens, its all in the open.
Underground stuff is more common in areas where a lot of flooding happens or when people build on top of old.
Another Portugal example is the Lisbon Roman Theatre, it was hidden until recently, it was quite literally beneath some houses and road on the face of a steep hill, which also had ruins from: post roman barbarian shitholes, muslim housing, reconquista housing, renaissance housing, illuminist era housing, victorian era housing, and evidence of the earthquake and fire even.
So yeah, this shit is very contextual but very possible
Not all of them are. And those that aren't underground aren't preserved nearly as long.
It depends on various things, like the surrounding environment, or the involvement of people.
Your OP pic kinda implies an European context, so one can imagine an abandoned stone structure where a forest ends up growing after a century. Now, those trees will be constantly pulling matter from the soil and using it to maintain themselves and grow as living organisms, and when they shed leaves or die, that matter will stay above ground and add onto the soil layer. The ruins, however, aren't maintaining themselves, so the only thing they can do is either get eroded away if they stay at the surface, or sink deeper and deeper as they keep getting covered by new soil.
In other places, like desert environments, ruins may get buried by sand for a while, and be preserved that way.
Also, there are places around the Mediterranean that have been inhabited for so long, the mere continuous presence of humans has created a literal hill of shit and refuse, you can bet there are some older structures underneath that.
The ground isn't rising, it's just being recycled constantly, like a thick soup that's stirred very very slowly.
Dirt and filth build up incredibly fast in cities. It took the modernization of waste management services as well as the decline of horses to really combat the constant mountain of shit that collects everywhere.
There's plenty of archeology that isn't buried. Macchu Picchu, as an example. Plenty that are also "buried" but not necessarily buried under earth, like those hidden by jungle growth. And see this post [...] underground doesn't necessarily mean buried deeper than your grandfather, mostly its just stuff covered by a light layer of topsoil that's collected from wind over the hundreds of years since someone's lived there.
Look at the amount of detritus accumulated on this driveway,
and this is just from plants drawing up substances from below as well as carbon from the air to their leaves then leaving them on top and perhaps also rain. In general dirt will move from soft surfaces to hard surfaces that are more resistant to erosion. Consider also in an area with human activity there will be horses and humans spilling dirt everywhere, 1mm a year amounts to 30cm over 300 years. Sometimes objects are deliberately placed underground like foundations. Sometimes, like the leaning tower of Pisa, the earth beneath gradually gives way to heavy objects on top.
The opposite can happen elsewhere with erosion causing objects to "rise" relative to ground level, until they topple over.
Most of the material in a plant comes from the air. They take in the carbon from the carbon dioxide in the air, and use nutrients from the ground to create their bodies.
Ground moves around, some stuff remains exposed, some stuff gets buried. Stuff that remains exposed we either know about (because its right there), or gets destroyed by later people repurposing its materials, stuff that is buried we either later find and becomes an archaeological site or remains unfound. Its just selection bias.
1. Things sink into the ground for multiple reasons. If you've ever laid some stones or slabs in a garden you'll know they sink a few centimeters over the years and periodically need lifting.
2. New ground gets added on top, partley from worms and bugs turning the earth over, plus dead matter and waste accumulating over the top.
well it's simple really, we not to long ago came back to earth from space. What is underneath is ancients civilizations, spanning millions of years. Our previous civilization was scorched from earth, and the remnants consumed by WALL-E clean up bots.
I get something like a Roman villa being partially buried by leaves/debree, and then a flood buries it completely after a century or two.
And that the effect is cumulative with the height from sea level to the nearest alpine plateau, which means something like Machu Pichu is going to only suffer wind corrosion compared to whatever is downwind of 1000m elevation of various forest biomes.
But I don't get something like Mary King's Close.
That baffles me to no end.
Soil moves regularly due to movement by wind and water. Even if erosion fails to create new material, the already existing material will move and eventually travel from higher locations to lower. Dust will settle and slowly accumulate, tectonic plates will slowly push new mountains upward, and material pushed into the earth will eventually reemerge as lava or gases, unless they don’t.
Also, from an anthropological perspective, humans transport new materials into settled areas all the time. To a lesser extent some animals do this too, but as humans spread manure, import soil, flood fields, lay bricks and paving stones, all this causes human cities to remarkably rise in elevation over time.
Holy shit. Are the Tartaria shizos right?
What's their claim?
Partly from dead organisms decaying and turning to dirt, and partly from heavy things sinking into the ground.
Is that matter then coming from somewhere else? The overall mass of the earth isn't changing is it? If every archeological site is underground then corresponding other parts of the earth must have LESS ground than in eons past. Unless the overall mass and matter of the planet is increasing.
weathering, erosion, soil deposition
the reason why everything isnt entirely flat yet is that uplift counteracts weathering
But it strikes me as odd that EVERY archeological site is underground. Is ALL the ground on the planet rising slowly with time? Or is it just because the stuff that was not covered up by new soil was not preserved over time?
Not all of them are. And those that aren't underground aren't preserved nearly as long.
It depends on various things, like the surrounding environment, or the involvement of people.
Your OP pic kinda implies an European context, so one can imagine an abandoned stone structure where a forest ends up growing after a century. Now, those trees will be constantly pulling matter from the soil and using it to maintain themselves and grow as living organisms, and when they shed leaves or die, that matter will stay above ground and add onto the soil layer. The ruins, however, aren't maintaining themselves, so the only thing they can do is either get eroded away if they stay at the surface, or sink deeper and deeper as they keep getting covered by new soil.
In other places, like desert environments, ruins may get buried by sand for a while, and be preserved that way.
Also, there are places around the Mediterranean that have been inhabited for so long, the mere continuous presence of humans has created a literal hill of shit and refuse, you can bet there are some older structures underneath that.
The ground isn't rising, it's just being recycled constantly, like a thick soup that's stirred very very slowly.
>The ground isn't rising,
So is the ground beneath these ruins then sinking?
And if the trees are dropping leaves and themselves and building new soil, does that raise the overall level of the ground? Or does the ground sink as the trees grow and pull nutrients and matter from the surrounding soil?
Say the world is made of boxes all of the same size, like in Minecraft. Each box contains useful stuff for plants that grow on top of them, at the surface. However, one day, people build boxes that plants can't get anything from.
Plants will get the boxes underground, and when they die, they'll leave another one of those boxes where they stood at the surface.
What do you think happens to the box no plant can use?
Also maybe the Earth's mass IS increasing with time as the planet turns the sun's rays into matter like plants. E=mc2, etc.
Actually no?
>Castles
>Religious buildings
>Govt buildings
>non private dwellings
>any non poor ppl shit
All of these and more are consistently above ground level, what weed are you smoking? Archaeology isnt just whats underground????
Also wtf?!
>mf actually thinks photosynthesis turns light into matter
Google is free, but you need double digit IQ to read, so idk
>>mf actually thinks photosynthesis turns light into matter
Hell I don't know dude. If photosynthesis doesn't turn energy into matter then where does all this extra matter come from? Where are the corresponding depressions in the earth to make up for the new soil over much of the landmass?
There is no extra mass being created. Plants grow in volume, not mass. For all intents and purposes, Earths gravity doesn't change over time, and whatever detectable change there is comes from debris from space entering the atmosphere
Plants make new "plant matter" from CO2 and the shit they eat off the ground...
Bait or moronic, this cant be real....
>Bait or moronic, this cant be real....
People here think the holocaust never happened and Jesus wasn't israeli. I'm pretty sure the average IQ on this board is easily under 90
What you guys are suggesting that the whole earth is a giant compost heap.
yes
Always has been.
>the holocaust never happened
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/
You know what you're right anon, at first I thought the holocaust was real, but was shown the light by none other than unz.com "A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media" because its apparently impossible to have an agenda if you're antisemitic!
i guess you don't have to read it if you already know what it's about lollll
i bet you fancy yourself scientific and open minded...
pathetic
"im only pretending" mfs need to go back
There was a famous experiment. I’ll look it up for you if you can’t find it, but yes, plants are 99% air and water. They get almost nothing from the ground itself. The dirt is inert (mostly).
Photosynthesis isn't magic, it's just the power source for other chemical processes. Trees gather CO2, nitrogen, water, etc. from the air and the ground.
Think of it like chinese slaves building iphones, except the iphone factory is a leaf factory inside the tree. Solar power just keeps the leaf factory's lights on. Like how those crafty little chinks aren't building iphones using the electricity coming from some nuclear reactor, the nuclear power is just keep the conveyer belt running for the chinks.
Dirt and filth build up incredibly fast in cities. It took the modernization of waste management services as well as the decline of horses to really combat the constant mountain of shit that collects everywhere.
There's plenty of archeology that isn't buried. Macchu Picchu, as an example. Plenty that are also "buried" but not necessarily buried under earth, like those hidden by jungle growth. And see this post
underground doesn't necessarily mean buried deeper than your grandfather, mostly its just stuff covered by a light layer of topsoil that's collected from wind over the hundreds of years since someone's lived there.
you are such a moron
>Is ALL the ground on the planet rising slowly with time?
You cracked the code.
Geologically active planets expand slowly.
A good example is the moon. It's covered in craters from impacts, if it were stable and didn't change then the craters would be equally distributed.
But they aren't, there are many in some areas and fewer in others. That's because at some point in the past, the moon produced new land.
>Is that matter then coming from somewhere else?
Volcanoes.
Given enough time matter that sinks deep enough might eventually get ejected back out onto the surface.
if you are lucky enough to own rural property you will watch the ground move yourself over the decades, especially if you live near a stream or hill.
Is there a simple YouTube video that explains how this is possible? I get that leaves and maybe an area that floods will grow taller over time. But seeing the depth between iron age and nineteenth century level is hard to comprehend.
Look at the amount of detritus accumulated on this driveway,
and this is just from plants drawing up substances from below as well as carbon from the air to their leaves then leaving them on top and perhaps also rain. In general dirt will move from soft surfaces to hard surfaces that are more resistant to erosion. Consider also in an area with human activity there will be horses and humans spilling dirt everywhere, 1mm a year amounts to 30cm over 300 years. Sometimes objects are deliberately placed underground like foundations. Sometimes, like the leaning tower of Pisa, the earth beneath gradually gives way to heavy objects on top.
The opposite can happen elsewhere with erosion causing objects to "rise" relative to ground level, until they topple over.
>Onions idiot trespasses property and starts to frick up the natural biome the owner intended to create
I would punch the teeth out of this Black person.
What do you think happens when someone builds something where there used to be an older building? They build on top of the foundation of the older building. Older building foundation now underground.
according to Heinsohn an asteroid struck the continent at the north pole destroying it
Most cases its not that severe, its actually rare for shit to be this deep.
In portugal, many roman and medieval ruins are at ground level, in some cases you can literally dig a few inches deep and find a roman garum facility or find intact walls
Iron age shit also, even many dolmens, its all in the open.
Underground stuff is more common in areas where a lot of flooding happens or when people build on top of old.
Another Portugal example is the Lisbon Roman Theatre, it was hidden until recently, it was quite literally beneath some houses and road on the face of a steep hill, which also had ruins from: post roman barbarian shitholes, muslim housing, reconquista housing, renaissance housing, illuminist era housing, victorian era housing, and evidence of the earthquake and fire even.
So yeah, this shit is very contextual but very possible
Thanks lads
Things die and shit and make more dirt, dirt+sun+water feeds what lives while they poop and then die.
simple as.
mud flood obviously
mudfloods
Most of the material in a plant comes from the air. They take in the carbon from the carbon dioxide in the air, and use nutrients from the ground to create their bodies.
Ground moves around, some stuff remains exposed, some stuff gets buried. Stuff that remains exposed we either know about (because its right there), or gets destroyed by later people repurposing its materials, stuff that is buried we either later find and becomes an archaeological site or remains unfound. Its just selection bias.
Jews don't want you to know this but in the past humans lived underground. Retvrn To Mole.
1. Things sink into the ground for multiple reasons. If you've ever laid some stones or slabs in a garden you'll know they sink a few centimeters over the years and periodically need lifting.
2. New ground gets added on top, partley from worms and bugs turning the earth over, plus dead matter and waste accumulating over the top.
well it's simple really, we not to long ago came back to earth from space. What is underneath is ancients civilizations, spanning millions of years. Our previous civilization was scorched from earth, and the remnants consumed by WALL-E clean up bots.
This thread screams "American education"
Sedimentation is basic elementary school shit
I get something like a Roman villa being partially buried by leaves/debree, and then a flood buries it completely after a century or two.
And that the effect is cumulative with the height from sea level to the nearest alpine plateau, which means something like Machu Pichu is going to only suffer wind corrosion compared to whatever is downwind of 1000m elevation of various forest biomes.
But I don't get something like Mary King's Close.
That baffles me to no end.
Soil moves regularly due to movement by wind and water. Even if erosion fails to create new material, the already existing material will move and eventually travel from higher locations to lower. Dust will settle and slowly accumulate, tectonic plates will slowly push new mountains upward, and material pushed into the earth will eventually reemerge as lava or gases, unless they don’t.
Also, from an anthropological perspective, humans transport new materials into settled areas all the time. To a lesser extent some animals do this too, but as humans spread manure, import soil, flood fields, lay bricks and paving stones, all this causes human cities to remarkably rise in elevation over time.