Weird question and sorry if it’s a little off topic but did any IQfyizens find any of these books helpful in attracting and dating women or is it all bullshit. I am not looking to be some pick up artist but I am a bit socially awkward with women and would like a rough outline on how to be a more attractive man. I am all ready “redpilled” about evolutionary psychology and sexual behavior in humans but is any of manosphere content good for understanding how to be more charismatic to women? Thanks in advance.
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Yes. Manson - Models is worth reading.
This looks good. Definitely geared more to my ideal of a monogamous stable relationship rather than pickup artist trickery.
This is trash.
What’s bad about it?
Just be attractive bro
It’s just meh, he gives some good advice on mindset but doesn’t give practical exercises to actually embody it, he then gives a little technique but it is overly simplistic and basic. I’m not saying it’d worthless, you have to start somewhere. I preferred Mate by Tucker Max and how to make girls chase by Chase Amante. But I haven’t really found a book that I’d consider great or a one stop shop on this subject unfortunately.
I will look into those books anon thank you.
This books are trash, you need real books, from manosphere's intellectuals, not just a fricking comercial book for kids and virgins. Read the books I told you
A lot of books out there are just shits, and there aren't manosphere or real redpill books, they're just simp books from simps with some luck
*crack* *sip* they're all about as helpful as single guys b***hing about women can be.
Sex god method is decent if you filter out the parts that are outright degenerate
I’ll add it to the list. What did you like about it?
Basically taught me the importance of spamming dominant and emotional dirty talk at my gf while doing the sex. Has came every time from PIV since I've started
Wow I didn’t know that really worked. I guess that is pretty reveling of feminine psychology. However, I don’t think I could do it if it was too mean to her.
Remember, every woman is with man so he(she)can change(him), every man is with woman because he hopes she won't change(or stop pretending and be her real self).
Nothing is real and no one cares, it's just an overly complex mating dance
I believe that you are partially correct that human mating is colored by self interest and projection but love is real. I think love and commitment to another person for non selfish reasons is possible and we just happen to live in a particularly dysfunctional and cynical era.
These seem like they should be satire but I guess they are genuine. Does anyone have anything to say about them. I personally would be very embarrassed to have someone see me with a book like this but maybe the content is actually really good. I shouldn’t judge a book by its cover.
Those are from a MGTOW guy, it doesn’t say how to attract women
I saw his channel once and it seemed like low hanging nihilist nonsense. Just enjoy money and slave morality cope about not having a family by saying all women are evil.
How To Be a 3% Man by Corey Wayne is sincerely good
Stoic philosophy has been a thing long before the manosphere ever found it
Is it mostly stoic philosophy?
Honestly if your straight, your fricked. That's all there is to it.
Damn those trips of three have to be extra powerful.
As far as being fricked for being straight everyone who matters already knows about the gender war crisis and fertility crisis happening. Only like 3 in 10 millennials are married with kids and it’s even worse for zoomed. The question is how do you sneak out a win for yourself before society at large implodes.
Idk, this doesn’t match up with my experience. I’m a millennial and I absolutely rake in zoomer girls
Well that’s anecdotal the statistics say young men are having less sex and fewer people are getting married and fewer kids are being born. I am jealous of you but I hope you are finding happiness anon. Do you have any advice?
Simple things like always look presentable, be sociable to guys and all girls alike, be perceptive and pick up cues, be confident, don’t be afraid of rejection, if rejected don’t be a poor sport, don’t commit faux pas’s. It seems to me that a lot of guys expect or hope girls will approach them, which rarely happens. Be realistic and stay in your league. Often we like the image of the girl we create in our head and when that image doesn’t match up to reality, lots of guys give up or lose hope. Don’t be a bitter c**t. Be someone people want to be around and always put your best foot forward. Simple obvious shit. Be comfortable making friends before getting in a relationship.
>Be someone people want to be around
Haha you're a laugh anon. How can it be 2023 ad and not everyone is a misanthropic antisocial cynic at this point?
If you think that and complain about that type of shit, then be the change you want to see. You get back what you put out into the world.
I'm being the change I want to see right now.
The world must burn?
Never said that. I'm monk mode not chud mode
I did monk mode for awhile but ultimately I considered I wanted to have a family in the future and I was acting in a sour grapes fashion. You can be happy as a single man if you honestly pursued a higher spiritual path but I think that domestic life is the road most find toward God.
Double two and triple threes in the same thread and they’re both promoting submission to the forces of evil…..
Sounds good I have already improved and implemented all of this over the last couple of years. Looks like I am off to a good start.
This is unironically the best dating advice ever posted to IQfy.org. Please heed his message and don’t reject it, all the “tips and tricks” to get girls to like you are bullshit. The way to get girls is just to behave normally around them and be pleasant, if you establish normal/friendly social relationships//interactions it is 10000x easier to make a move than it is on some PUA cold-approach nonsense
Idk dude I generally try to signal "gay" as much as I can these days and have rejected women on a few occasions. It's even happened to my boyfriend before ( girl tryed to be "freinds" with him and then made a move, he said no)
Well as gay men you probably put more investment in your appearance and charisma than straight men. However this is a stereotype so I could be totally wrong. Also I hope you and your partner are happy Anon.
manosphere content is barely about attracting women and just has rehashed PUA advice
The reality is that manosphere lit is about 15 years out of date now. The pendulum has actually swung completely the opposite with internet dating. Women are now fully in control and it's not clear what will reverse the crisis for men, or if it can be reversed.
I assumed that was true that the advent of tinder and the Darwinian sexual struggle would have closed those niche strategies. Still I am pretty desperate for something like general principles or high quality advice. I don’t enjoy living in the hellscape of nihilistic modern dating but I know that there are good women out there that want the same types of things I do. There must be women who value things like love, loyalty, commitment, and family over hedonistic hyper reality.
>There must be women who value things like love, loyalty, commitment, and family over hedonistic hyper reality.
They're not on the internet, if they exist at all
I know a guy who said to look for basically NEET Zoomer girls and church girls . Girls who don’t have any serious direction in life professionally stay off dating app and just want to start a family. He found his fiancé by her parents basically just giving her to him to get her off their hands.
Ultra ambitious yuppie girl boss narcissists are basically my nightmare and there is clearly a reason in the olden days women were mainly just handed off to bachelors so they'd go start families.
Yes I don’t really want to marry a women who‘s greatest desire is to climb the status hierarchies of institutions I mostly find hollow and dying. I don’t intend to be poor or live off the grid but I want a women who ideally has higher values than material possessions and social approval. She would ideally be invested mainly in raising our hypothetical children as well as possible and connecting with other families.
Don’t be a creep going to church to pick up girls. Everyone can smell that shit from a mile away and you’ll be branded as a creep
I have honestly never tried it. I assumed all the young people would already be paired off and I wouldn’t be welcomed
in that particular dimension of church community. But honestly it doesn’t seem creepy to me really. It’s the natural place to look for young women who would share more traditional values assuming you are part of the tradition. Plus churches have always had a partner matching and family formation. I guess it would only be creepy if you were there as a secular outsider looking for sex. But this phenomenon speaks to a larger problem of the idea that any male sexuality is declared creepy. It seems you are basically deemed a creep for approaching women in any setting outside of dating apps. It’s not like talking to a woman in the grocery store is the same as looking to pick up high school girls outside the school. It’s all part of the post metoo world I guess where everyone is hyper conscious of basic normal human behavior as pathological.
Just order a asiatic wife and stop being a sperg
that's a scam, they always die in the box before it gets past customs
Realistically you’ll have to move to a foreign country to have a good chance of finding that
Did this work for you guys? Or anyone you know?
Women arent in control though, they almost unanimously agree that they cant find a man that checks their boxes to commit to them long-term
They have easy sexual access but finding a marriage partner they consider “worthy” is almost universally considered extremely difficult
they're all cheap
>Warrior, Lover, Magician, King
Or whatever order the stupid ass title is. It's a pretty good book.
no most of its is cringe to sell you on courses if you really struggle to talk to women practice on old ladies till you can hold a conversation if it goes well they might even introduce you to a granddaughter
OP the short answer is the things that are attractive to women are the things that are attractive to everyone. An open spirit, a healthy body, courage, boldness, sensuality, curiosity. If you set the intention to woo women without doing the foundational work to express these things authentically, you will at best achieve middling and unsatisfying results. The real work you need to do is diving deep into the depths of your soul and learning to overcome your fears, and why they exist in the first place.
this.
, this guy's right. also work out, I've never met a woman who didn't like a fit man.
Hmm so maybe I should do something like Jungian shadow work.
Jung is a great place to start. Also, if you're afraid of women, books like No More Mr. Nice guy might be revealing.
>manosphere
You'll quickly find that any guy in the manosphere can't actually get into relationships with women, they may be able to frick them with a little bit of charisma and a flash of money but no one in the manosphere is in a successful relationship. They're all women-hating morons that seeth and froth at the mouth at the sight of any woman because they were either hurt by one in the past or because they've always been rejected. There's a word for that type of person that starts with an I but I'm confident that I don't need to spell it out you.
>spell it out you.
(for) you. Ah, foiled by my own moronation again.
As a rule steer very clear of anything in the 'manosphere'. If women even get a whiff that it's something you subscribe to, they will be turned off. It is butthurt fart sniffing from weak men posturing with anger and arrogance. As
says, it's a lot of internally weak dudes with unprocessed fear and pain. Ironically, if they would do the work to process their fear and pain, they would probably actually be attractive people.
cernovich is married and has children or at least one child iirc
He’s a grifter
he was on the rooshvforum and blogging as danger&play for a long time before he got super political in 2016.
Yes, redpill and the manosphere can help you, in this days everybody talks shit about the redpill, and there's good reason for that people who talks bad about the redpill, mainly for the pick up artist and gurus. You need to read the good/lassic auotors, in the redpill comunity they call them "The 3 R", you can read about it in "The rational male", start with this book, this isn't a book to learn how to attract or be a pick up artist, it's more than that. And once you read that book, the next one is "heartiste", this is a book about attracting women and how to ve charismatic.
I don't like PUA stuff but the following books changed my life
>Norah Vincent, Self-Made Man
>Esther Vilar, The Manipulated Man (bad translation, try to read it in a language other than English or the original German)
>Roy Baumeister, Is There Anything Good About Men?
>Otto Weininger, Sex and Character
>Julius Evola, Metaphysics of Sex
>Camille Paglia, Sexual Personae