I don't understand audiophiles who spend 10k on a fricking speaker cable because it apparently sounds more bassy or some shit like that.
Why not just use an equalizer if you wanna boost some specific frequency?
> just makes shit up due to lack of medication for severe schizophrenia > low glitch
quantization errors, you poorly educated Black person. and no, you can't hear them in modern dacs because of proper error correction and filtering. fricking Black person.
its certainly better than your average DAC, but I've also heard better, not to mention that DAC dongle is hilariously underpowered and needs an amp for anything outside of your average headphones.
>its certainly better than your average DAC
never happened > DAC dongle is hilariously underpowered
this shit isn't designed so you can plug your studio headphones into them. and no, apple doesn't give a frick about your $1k sony headphones or whatever. as long as they power beats by dre or some godawful low powered cancer then it "just werks".
>its certainly better than your average DAC
No it's not, it's just as shit. Same lame class D driver shit as any other garbage these days.
as in better the average built in dac that any PC or smartphone that still has a headphone jack in it does.
Is there a USB C dongle you guys would recommend? Bonus points if it works with the Switch.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>as in better the average built in dac that any PC or smartphone that still has a headphone jack in it does
According to the opinions of random chinks and poos on a web site.
Who don't even use proper test equipment. Just blind listening tests, using idiots off the street, listening to music they don't even know.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What's wrong with their test equipment?
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-apple-vs-google-usb-c-headphone-adapters.5541/
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>as in better the average built in dac
no better or lesser than what you can find in your pc. 24bit, 48khz (from what i can recall, i can't quite remember the exact specs).
I'm telling you, placebo effect is a HELLUVA drug. It's not just audio. In fricking medicine you get people experiencing tumor size reduction and they're not getting the new anti cancer drug, they're getting the fricking placebo.
As for audio, at some level those $50k cables really did make their stereo sound better to them. Our brains release more "feel good" chemicals if we anticipate/expect X to be better than Y and we get X. So yeah, they're stupid for spending money on something that makes no physical difference. But they believe it does so they actually experience a difference, at which point they fight with you because you just don't know man, you've never had good $50k cables.
have you ever seen $50k in cash before? i have. and there's no amount of serotonin could be released in my brain to convince me that blowing it on garbage audio products was a good idea. these people are mentally ill morons and should never encouraged.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>have you ever seen $50k in cash before? i have. and there's no amount of serotonin could be released in my brain to convince me that blowing it on garbage audio products was a good idea. these people are mentally ill morons and should never encouraged.
I agree with you, I'm just explaining what's going on in their brains. Below a certain IQ level you believe that the cable really can make a difference. And then you spend the money. And then your brain dumps chemicals as you listen because you're expecting it to not only be better, but be so much better that you're not an idiot for blowing $50k on a fricking wire. I mean, at that point it's an evolved survival instinct. The brain is trying to prevent them from realizing what they've done so they don't suicide.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The brain is trying to prevent them from realizing what they've done so they don't suicide.
when you put it that way it starts making a lot more sense
2 weeks ago
Prof. Oak
I agree with this anon, $50000 is a decades worth of beer and weed and I think beer and weed would make my music sound better than those cables would.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>beer and weed would make my music sound better than those cables would.
100% factual
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Are you namegayging for some specific reason?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He's doing research for his Beerdex.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I left it in from a different post and forgot to remove it
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The boomers buying this don't have that much time, they just want to dump their money on every snake oil product before their time is over.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No it's the same as having a classic car which you drive twice a year. It's to impress people.
I don't understand audiophiles who spend 10k on a fricking speaker cable because it apparently sounds more bassy or some shit like that.
Why not just use an equalizer if you wanna boost some specific frequency?
Technologically does it even matter that the cables are separated in pic 1 when they end in together in the same port on both sides anyway? Isn't it even worse because it's more sensitive for electromagnetic interference when they are spread apart?
>They post reviews about cables extending the treble and creating a "3d sounstage"
i can't believe it's not drug abuse. i used to think all these people had some extreme cocaine or heroin addiction that would go some way to explain their strange beliefs. maybe some kind of cult leader is involved? sadly no cult leader to be found, or an actual cult. they're just your garden variety selection of fricking dumb c**ts. the audiophile's profound level of moronation entertains me greatly.
I'm telling you, placebo effect is a HELLUVA drug. It's not just audio. In fricking medicine you get people experiencing tumor size reduction and they're not getting the new anti cancer drug, they're getting the fricking placebo.
As for audio, at some level those $50k cables really did make their stereo sound better to them. Our brains release more "feel good" chemicals if we anticipate/expect X to be better than Y and we get X. So yeah, they're stupid for spending money on something that makes no physical difference. But they believe it does so they actually experience a difference, at which point they fight with you because you just don't know man, you've never had good $50k cables.
I watched dankpods, bought the grado 80x and the pure sound quality is great, but the soundstage sucks more than any of my closed backs. I do not get that 3d sound he was talking about.
Also if that "3dbarbershop" vid on yt can sound incredibly 3d on any old earphone, why don't bands have their albums mixed like that?
Total channel separation sounds awful in a car. Music has been mixed for the automobile since the 1980s. Most people don't even own or listen to music recreationally at home, they listen to it in the car or during work.
What's wrong with their test equipment?
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-apple-vs-google-usb-c-headphone-adapters.5541/
>one tone test
They literally are third worlders who have no idea what they're measuring, and who haven't even read the most basic introductory material on psychoacoustics.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Do you have a better test suite for it? I would agree that a 1 kHz test isn't as good as a 20-20 test, but I also don't expect a DAC that performs well on the former to surprisingly be shit on the latter. Any evidence that the Apple dongle is shit?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You compare actual program material. Music. Play the same music into the headphones, record it, and subtract the original, thus giving you the error. You do this on a heavy, rubber model of a human head with the actual earphones centered over the molded model ears, and the mic is deep inside the ear canal at the same depth as an eardrum.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That would maybe be an even better test. But I just would not expect a DAC that does well on a tone test to fail on the test you describe. I think the test you describe would be more relevant for headphones and speakers. There I could imagine a tone test saying something is good only to find out there are problems with the more comprehensive test.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>But I just would not expect a DAC that does well on a tone test to fail on the test you describe.
Why? Anyway they don't even do a two tone test. Their methodology is fricking garbage.
The end of the road for the audiophile is coming to the realization, that the quality of a person's sense of hearing is multitudes more important for listening quality than whatever their obsessive-compuslive microscopic optimization is able to achieve and that they will never experience a truly perfect listening experience, especially if they are over the age of 30. At which point they will kill themself.
You sound really angry and deaf.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You sound really angry and deaf.
NTA you sound like you purchased €23,430.00 cables
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why?
Because it's a fricking DAC and that level of electronics is a solved problem. You're just not going to have circuitry that's 99 SINAD at 1 kHz but dog shit at 20 Hz or 20 kHz. You might see a variance of 1. Speakers/headphones and amps need 20-20 testing. Speakers/headphones especially because they are literally the least perfect component by nature of what they have to do. Transducers are part art and part science and are the one place where coloration and personal preference truly do come into play.
You're pretending one species is actually two. "Audiophiles" exist, and don't fall for shit like this. Then there's the louder, dumber - and frankly, more numerous - "audiophools", which this is targeted at.
The end of the road for the audiophile is coming to the realization, that the quality of a person's sense of hearing is multitudes more important for listening quality than whatever their obsessive-compuslive microscopic optimization is able to achieve and that they will never experience a truly perfect listening experience, especially if they are over the age of 30. At which point they will kill themself.
>The end of the road for the audiophile is coming to the realization, that the quality of a person's sense of hearing is multitudes more important for listening quality than whatever their obsessive-compuslive microscopic optimization is able to achieve and that they will never experience a truly perfect listening experience, especially if they are over the age of 30. At which point they will kill themself.
If only. They'll just bullshit themselves into believing they have golden ears thanks to their self-inflicted tinnitus that will somehow allow them to hallucinate things no one else can hear. And the cycle will repeat itself over and over.
I think the main issue here is people like you, who have never heard a good sound system, assume that they must all sound the same. You're a little dorm dweller and you have some cheap(ish) headphones, you listen to pirated music on a phone.
It's like asking a person who only ever eats gruel if they prefer beef or pork. You wouldn't know - you only eat thin watery gruel.
>players directly manipulate the game
Nah, I hate the game too. And it's a false dilemma to say "but muh communism is worse!" Communism is worse, but there are better options.
So many poorgays lmao. Literally all your behavior can be accredited to being europoors in shitty apartments with wifi EMI through the ass. If you were to live on proper land stuff like your neighbor turning on your microwave wouldn't disrupt your sound signals, but you're all just too convinced thats how good audio sounds like. On private land, far away from high voltage lines or antennas, I can use the more sensitive wires just fine and dont need to settle with shielded wires that increase the impedance and make the sound shit.
they all live communally in little pods, so they can't even conceive of having a nice large stereo and castigate all people with one as "audiophiles" who are merely doing it because they're dumb or something
Shielding is necessary though, I use balanced connections to my speakers and I use a balanced input from my CD player to the preamp, and mostly digital connections otherwise. The issue is *EVERY* power adapter these days is noisy as frick.
One trick I recommend (as a ham) is take any portable battery AM radio, tune it to dead air, then just walk around the house and wave it over everything, you'll hear all your garbage screeching away.
The dt990 schizoid? He used too iirc and probably explains the posts above
I love that moron, it's reassuring to know there's someone that moronic in this world (it's a "at least you're not anthony burch" kind of thing)
audophilia is a sect for wealthy and dumb people. for those who don't study physics, the world is all magic. they'll run "special signals" thru "oxygen free" copper cables, "heating" them up and pretending they notice a difference between a $3 and $500 power cord plugged to same power outlet. those people are scared shitless of blind tests because their rose tinted world of audio equipment would come crumbling on them very quickly.
Actually it mostly comes down to having decently sized speakers with ideally, a Class A amplifier. You're talking about the high-end audio market, which largely serves Arab princes and other super wealthy types. They can afford to buy stuff just to show off their wealth. Audiophiles often make their own amplifiers, speakers, DACs, etc.
> Audiophiles often make their own amplifiers, speakers, DACs, etc.
Yeah, I was taling about "stupid-high-end" market. "Audiophile" term here sadly doesn't discriminate between guys with gold bars in stead of brain matter and folks who build their own stuff, be it a hobby or means to save money. Being an amateur electronics guy, I have big respect for the latter,
There is a never ending supply of used top-end audio equipment too. Everything in my rack is used. Heck the Japs don't really even export anything like '80s-2000's era Pioneer Elite or Sony ES components any more. I just put a Sony DVP-S9000ES into my rack that I got for $30. That's less than a dollar a pound. It's beautifully made. Nothing like this in the sub-$5K market at all any more.
the only time i've cared about audiophile shit was when i upgraded my car's stereo, i needed something that sounded good but didn't cut through my engine's high octane-fueled screaming
128bit 384kHz fricking WHEN
>t. can't even hear everything in 16/44.1
Placebo effect can be a hell of a drug.
>special memory copy functions
>"hard edged" 1's and 0's
One hell of a drug.
>he doesn't know what low glitch is in a DAC
You think you're smart, but you don't know how silicon or analog works.
> just makes shit up due to lack of medication for severe schizophrenia
> low glitch
quantization errors, you poorly educated Black person. and no, you can't hear them in modern dacs because of proper error correction and filtering. fricking Black person.
Thank you for answering him for me.
Audiophiles enjoy nice stereo systems. What you're looking at is "high end" audio which is akin to male israeliteelry such as fancy watches.
It's quite the opposite from audio science review chinks, who claim all kinds of bizarre things such as Apple's iPhone DAC being "the best."
its certainly better than your average DAC, but I've also heard better, not to mention that DAC dongle is hilariously underpowered and needs an amp for anything outside of your average headphones.
>its certainly better than your average DAC
No it's not, it's just as shit. Same lame class D driver shit as any other garbage these days.
>its certainly better than your average DAC
never happened
> DAC dongle is hilariously underpowered
this shit isn't designed so you can plug your studio headphones into them. and no, apple doesn't give a frick about your $1k sony headphones or whatever. as long as they power beats by dre or some godawful low powered cancer then it "just werks".
as in better the average built in dac that any PC or smartphone that still has a headphone jack in it does.
Is there a USB C dongle you guys would recommend? Bonus points if it works with the Switch.
>as in better the average built in dac that any PC or smartphone that still has a headphone jack in it does
According to the opinions of random chinks and poos on a web site.
Who don't even use proper test equipment. Just blind listening tests, using idiots off the street, listening to music they don't even know.
What's wrong with their test equipment?
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-apple-vs-google-usb-c-headphone-adapters.5541/
>as in better the average built in dac
no better or lesser than what you can find in your pc. 24bit, 48khz (from what i can recall, i can't quite remember the exact specs).
have you ever seen $50k in cash before? i have. and there's no amount of serotonin could be released in my brain to convince me that blowing it on garbage audio products was a good idea. these people are mentally ill morons and should never encouraged.
>have you ever seen $50k in cash before? i have. and there's no amount of serotonin could be released in my brain to convince me that blowing it on garbage audio products was a good idea. these people are mentally ill morons and should never encouraged.
I agree with you, I'm just explaining what's going on in their brains. Below a certain IQ level you believe that the cable really can make a difference. And then you spend the money. And then your brain dumps chemicals as you listen because you're expecting it to not only be better, but be so much better that you're not an idiot for blowing $50k on a fricking wire. I mean, at that point it's an evolved survival instinct. The brain is trying to prevent them from realizing what they've done so they don't suicide.
>The brain is trying to prevent them from realizing what they've done so they don't suicide.
when you put it that way it starts making a lot more sense
I agree with this anon, $50000 is a decades worth of beer and weed and I think beer and weed would make my music sound better than those cables would.
>beer and weed would make my music sound better than those cables would.
100% factual
Are you namegayging for some specific reason?
He's doing research for his Beerdex.
I left it in from a different post and forgot to remove it
The boomers buying this don't have that much time, they just want to dump their money on every snake oil product before their time is over.
No it's the same as having a classic car which you drive twice a year. It's to impress people.
I don't understand audiophiles who spend 10k on a fricking speaker cable because it apparently sounds more bassy or some shit like that.
Why not just use an equalizer if you wanna boost some specific frequency?
These are made for people who run hedge funds, it's simply male israeliteelry.
OTOH their shit blows your garbage out of the water. So do much more reasonably priced options.
they are not
I know an audiophile, he is not rich at all, just spends all his money on this shit
>they are not
Yes they are.
>I know an audiophile, he is not rich at all, just spends all his money on this shit
Sure you do, we all believe this very true anecdote.
Yet his anectode is worth even more than a useless blanket statement with no substantiation.
>his malloc() implementation isn't audiophile-grade
How does this compare to C++ RAII or large static arrays?
funniest part are the options
>€11k tripod
its an audiophile tripod, gives better sound stage and makes your music more colorful
Technologically does it even matter that the cables are separated in pic 1 when they end in together in the same port on both sides anyway? Isn't it even worse because it's more sensitive for electromagnetic interference when they are spread apart?
There are two ways to look at diminishing returns:
>diminishing 🙁
>returns! 😀
Yes. Check head-fi forum and their review section. They post reviews about cables extending the treble and creating a "3d sounstage"
>They post reviews about cables extending the treble and creating a "3d sounstage"
i can't believe it's not drug abuse. i used to think all these people had some extreme cocaine or heroin addiction that would go some way to explain their strange beliefs. maybe some kind of cult leader is involved? sadly no cult leader to be found, or an actual cult. they're just your garden variety selection of fricking dumb c**ts. the audiophile's profound level of moronation entertains me greatly.
I'm telling you, placebo effect is a HELLUVA drug. It's not just audio. In fricking medicine you get people experiencing tumor size reduction and they're not getting the new anti cancer drug, they're getting the fricking placebo.
As for audio, at some level those $50k cables really did make their stereo sound better to them. Our brains release more "feel good" chemicals if we anticipate/expect X to be better than Y and we get X. So yeah, they're stupid for spending money on something that makes no physical difference. But they believe it does so they actually experience a difference, at which point they fight with you because you just don't know man, you've never had good $50k cables.
>They post reviews about cables extending the treble and creating a "3d sounstage"
fricking insane
Hahaha, time to grift. Idiots.
I watched dankpods, bought the grado 80x and the pure sound quality is great, but the soundstage sucks more than any of my closed backs. I do not get that 3d sound he was talking about.
Also if that "3dbarbershop" vid on yt can sound incredibly 3d on any old earphone, why don't bands have their albums mixed like that?
Total channel separation sounds awful in a car. Music has been mixed for the automobile since the 1980s. Most people don't even own or listen to music recreationally at home, they listen to it in the car or during work.
shouldn't it be mixed for earphones since every normie has a pair or airpods or tws buds in their ears all the time now?
No.
>one tone test
They literally are third worlders who have no idea what they're measuring, and who haven't even read the most basic introductory material on psychoacoustics.
Do you have a better test suite for it? I would agree that a 1 kHz test isn't as good as a 20-20 test, but I also don't expect a DAC that performs well on the former to surprisingly be shit on the latter. Any evidence that the Apple dongle is shit?
You compare actual program material. Music. Play the same music into the headphones, record it, and subtract the original, thus giving you the error. You do this on a heavy, rubber model of a human head with the actual earphones centered over the molded model ears, and the mic is deep inside the ear canal at the same depth as an eardrum.
That would maybe be an even better test. But I just would not expect a DAC that does well on a tone test to fail on the test you describe. I think the test you describe would be more relevant for headphones and speakers. There I could imagine a tone test saying something is good only to find out there are problems with the more comprehensive test.
>But I just would not expect a DAC that does well on a tone test to fail on the test you describe.
Why? Anyway they don't even do a two tone test. Their methodology is fricking garbage.
You sound really angry and deaf.
>You sound really angry and deaf.
NTA you sound like you purchased €23,430.00 cables
>Why?
Because it's a fricking DAC and that level of electronics is a solved problem. You're just not going to have circuitry that's 99 SINAD at 1 kHz but dog shit at 20 Hz or 20 kHz. You might see a variance of 1. Speakers/headphones and amps need 20-20 testing. Speakers/headphones especially because they are literally the least perfect component by nature of what they have to do. Transducers are part art and part science and are the one place where coloration and personal preference truly do come into play.
Audiophiles continue to perpetuate my belief that dumb money exists and has a self aggrandizing feedback loop
You're pretending one species is actually two. "Audiophiles" exist, and don't fall for shit like this. Then there's the louder, dumber - and frankly, more numerous - "audiophools", which this is targeted at.
Wait until you find out about the power cables.
The end of the road for the audiophile is coming to the realization, that the quality of a person's sense of hearing is multitudes more important for listening quality than whatever their obsessive-compuslive microscopic optimization is able to achieve and that they will never experience a truly perfect listening experience, especially if they are over the age of 30. At which point they will kill themself.
>The end of the road for the audiophile is coming to the realization, that the quality of a person's sense of hearing is multitudes more important for listening quality than whatever their obsessive-compuslive microscopic optimization is able to achieve and that they will never experience a truly perfect listening experience, especially if they are over the age of 30. At which point they will kill themself.
If only. They'll just bullshit themselves into believing they have golden ears thanks to their self-inflicted tinnitus that will somehow allow them to hallucinate things no one else can hear. And the cycle will repeat itself over and over.
I think the main issue here is people like you, who have never heard a good sound system, assume that they must all sound the same. You're a little dorm dweller and you have some cheap(ish) headphones, you listen to pirated music on a phone.
It's like asking a person who only ever eats gruel if they prefer beef or pork. You wouldn't know - you only eat thin watery gruel.
Why so pissed at him? If you're going to claim that cables make a difference then I hate to tell you who is right.
>he's strawmanning
Oooooh, looks like I hit the spot! How's your tinnitus?
It's not a strawman, people can easily tell who's the dorm dwelling child who doesn't even want to be here.
Refer to the image above K E K
damn bro u sound kinda pathetic ngl
dorm dweller detected
we know what u are but what are we
>we
Got a mouse in your pocket?
no i got birds
they will give you bird fancier's lung, very risky pets
>capitalism makes sens-
>company israelites people out with ridiculous prices
>damn capitalism
hate the players, not the game, pinko
>players directly manipulate the game
Nah, I hate the game too. And it's a false dilemma to say "but muh communism is worse!" Communism is worse, but there are better options.
I'm just glad i went to CanJam. 1k should be the absolute maximum you spend on iem's at least. Maybe 3k for overears
>trip
>filename
>he expects me to take him seriously
here's a pity (You) for the effort
>you can't tell what sounds better by listening to it, you need 5 degrees
>troon trying to LARP as a straight internet user
what a strange sight
I'm not sure who's more sad, the yuropoor morons who buy that overpriced trash or the headphone cucks.
A good set of speakers are $500-$1000 MAX.
>yuropoor morons
>he says while having shitseries headphones in full view
OH NONONONO HOLY KEK
yes my poor friend, I listen to music on the nice speakers (and sealed subs) and I use the wireless headphones to talk to people while I play games.
is the concept of speakers odd to you because you're packed in a bugman apartment 400 per floor? I can't even see my neighbors house 🙂
yes is it really that bad over that. I had no idea they made so little...
>shitseries
You can't afford an actual headset?
are you ready to talk about living costs?
post audiosneks and resonancepebbles
>put on headphones
So many poorgays lmao. Literally all your behavior can be accredited to being europoors in shitty apartments with wifi EMI through the ass. If you were to live on proper land stuff like your neighbor turning on your microwave wouldn't disrupt your sound signals, but you're all just too convinced thats how good audio sounds like. On private land, far away from high voltage lines or antennas, I can use the more sensitive wires just fine and dont need to settle with shielded wires that increase the impedance and make the sound shit.
>europoors
zogbots too
they all live communally in little pods, so they can't even conceive of having a nice large stereo and castigate all people with one as "audiophiles" who are merely doing it because they're dumb or something
Shielding is necessary though, I use balanced connections to my speakers and I use a balanced input from my CD player to the preamp, and mostly digital connections otherwise. The issue is *EVERY* power adapter these days is noisy as frick.
One trick I recommend (as a ham) is take any portable battery AM radio, tune it to dead air, then just walk around the house and wave it over everything, you'll hear all your garbage screeching away.
So it can be used to detect poor shielding? What cheap model could I get for this if I don't actually care to use it as a proper radio?
nta but fm radios work just as well
Does sharur post here? It smells
The dt990 schizoid? He used too iirc and probably explains the posts above
I love that moron, it's reassuring to know there's someone that moronic in this world (it's a "at least you're not anthony burch" kind of thing)
audophilia is a sect for wealthy and dumb people. for those who don't study physics, the world is all magic. they'll run "special signals" thru "oxygen free" copper cables, "heating" them up and pretending they notice a difference between a $3 and $500 power cord plugged to same power outlet. those people are scared shitless of blind tests because their rose tinted world of audio equipment would come crumbling on them very quickly.
Actually it mostly comes down to having decently sized speakers with ideally, a Class A amplifier. You're talking about the high-end audio market, which largely serves Arab princes and other super wealthy types. They can afford to buy stuff just to show off their wealth. Audiophiles often make their own amplifiers, speakers, DACs, etc.
> Audiophiles often make their own amplifiers, speakers, DACs, etc.
Yeah, I was taling about "stupid-high-end" market. "Audiophile" term here sadly doesn't discriminate between guys with gold bars in stead of brain matter and folks who build their own stuff, be it a hobby or means to save money. Being an amateur electronics guy, I have big respect for the latter,
There is a never ending supply of used top-end audio equipment too. Everything in my rack is used. Heck the Japs don't really even export anything like '80s-2000's era Pioneer Elite or Sony ES components any more. I just put a Sony DVP-S9000ES into my rack that I got for $30. That's less than a dollar a pound. It's beautifully made. Nothing like this in the sub-$5K market at all any more.
I use kabeldirekt cables, they work just fine and they're cheaper than ~~*thomann*~~ because they don't frick you over with shipping fees
the only time i've cared about audiophile shit was when i upgraded my car's stereo, i needed something that sounded good but didn't cut through my engine's high octane-fueled screaming
>trip
I know a trust fund kid who paid 10,000$ for headphones but then ended up using 10$ cheap headphones for everyday use.
average audeze(nuts) owner