are you patrician?
>favorite prophet
>favorite composer
>favorite poet
>favorite novelist
>favorite philosopher
>favorite playwright
>favorite director
>favorite painter
>favorite architect
are you patrician? >favorite prophet. >favorite composer. >favorite poet. >favorite novelist
>Prophet: Baha'u'llah
>Composer: Erik Satie
>Poet: Arthur Rimbaud
>Novelist: Marcel Proust
>Philosopher: Heraclitus
>Playwright: Samuel Beckett
>Director: Alejandro Jodorowsky
>Painter: Edouard Manet
>Architect: Paul Rudolph
>no Sir Duncan Crumb (His Lordship)
moron.
holy psued
Milquetoast top to bottom.
honestly not sure why this list gets hate when 90% of the others are even more milquetoast pseud homosexualy than this one
at least you can envision what this anon tends to gravitate to unlike say
WAOUW Burroughs AND William Kent??? this dude read Naked Lunch and went to his local art museum once and that’s his “favorites” now lmfao
>bahaullah
Allahuaba son
leonardo da vinci
>Are you patrician?
No.
>favorite prophet
Johannes
>favorite composer
Mozart
>favorite poet
Goethe
>favorite novelist
Gontcharov
>favorite philosopher
Rousseau
>favorite playwright
Schiller
>favorite director
Spielberg
>favorite painter
Nihâl Chand
>favorite architect
Bhoja
>Spielberg
Yikes.
We need to complete that half built Bhoja temple in MP
>Rousseau
bruh
'favorites' is for children. adults don't enjoy anything
This. I don't like anything. Liking something just means you are sexually aroused by it. Art is not erotic, it is creative, on the most humble level, which I suppose is what this "art" is. It should, ideally, be set within the context of tradition & also have some sort of craft-like function or techne, either magic or not.
Holy shit who cares. I will continue to levitate to meticulously crafted slices of experience.
only the teenage-minded tries to, thinking itself matured in gay folly, not entertain the game of favorites despite being obviously not an absolute concrete metric of anything, it's shorthand, of which only the autist gets caught up in "rejecting" as if they've pulled a fast one over the social rules.
homosexual
Jonah
Schnittke
Carroll
Ilf/Petrov
Austin
Shaw
McLaren
Chardin
Golosov
prophet
I am the beast I worship.
composer
Luigi Russolo
poet
Ginsburg
novelist
William Burroughs
philosopher
Bataille
playwright
Sophocles
director
Jim Jarmusch
painter
Eugène Boudin
architect
William Kent
director
>Jim Jarmusch
Seems interesting. I should watch his stuff.
Nostradamus
Dont care
Whitman
H. Miller
Emerson or Nietzsche
Shakespeare or Strindberg or A. Miller
Don’t care
Van Gogh or Bosch or Bruegel
Don’t care
>dont care
not a patrician hate to break it to you homie.
>favorite prophet
mani/valentinus
>favorite composer
gesualdo/feldman/bach/schoenberg
>favorite poet
dryden/ovid/celan
>favorite novelist
proust/gaddis/joyce
>favorite philosopher
hegel/deleuze
>favorite playwright
beckett
>favorite director
elder/brakhage/farocki/piavoli
>favorite painter
titian/morandi/burri
>favorite architect
kahn/koolhaas
furthermore:
mathematician: euler/riemann/fuller
biologist: kauffman/maturana/varela/marguilis
historian: spengler/toynbee/gebser
photographer: henson/giacomelli
Parentheses = honorable mentions and/or more personal choices
prophet
Bely
composer
Schubert I guess? Idk much here (Chopin, Mahler, Bach)
poet
Dickinson (Eliot, Shijing poets, Mallarme)
novelist
Going to put Homer here since I read him in translation (Beckett, Henry James, Tolstoy)
philosopher
Keats (Laozi, Nabokov, Spengler)
playwright
Shakespeare
director
Ozu (Tarkovsky, Kiarostami, Bresson)
painter
Turner (Blake, Whistler, Da Vinci)
architect
Isidore & Anthemius (Hindu temple architects, Chinese palace architects, Palladio)
And I'll throw in Kafka and Borges as short-story writers even though I don't care much for short stories generally.
Why Dryden? Good choice, just curious why him in particular. Cool photo too.
>Kent
I assume you are basing this primarily on his interiors and gardens? Fun choice though.
Lovely choices, Manet is wonderful.
Architecture is pretty cool anon, you should try learning about it. Give Pevsner or Banister Fletcher a shot.
drydens translations of virgil and ovid are themselves beautiful, moreso than Pope's Homer I find. other of Drydens work is excellent aswell.
Pope's Homer, at least the Odyssey, wasn't all him, he had assistants doing a significant portion of it - also Virgil gives a lot more aesthetic texture to work so if you're just speaking in terms of the impression it leaves on you rather than trying to be rigorous about it, that might be a factor, but it's just a favorite I guess so you shouldn't have to be rigorous.
Not saying you're wrong though, I just generally tend to feel Pope's perfection more intensely than Dryden's but maybe Dryden is just more subtle. Either way they're both sublime, "classics of our prose" or not.
Loving how this thread brings all the based aesthetes out of the woodwork, we need more posts by these sorts of people and fewer by the dirty dirty plebs.
>Achilles Rizzoli
You heard of my homie Étienne-Louis Boullée? Pic related.
Yup, stumbled upon it in a museum giftshop and fell in love with the whole concept (although I was already into Tarkovsky, albeit at a much more primitive level of appreciation). For a while it made me despair of the value of literature since it can never really do the same kind of thing, I even spent painstaking autistic hours trying in vain to recreate pure, complete images in prose. But now I'm more able to appreciate each medium for its own particular qualities.
I have heard of Boullée and I think he's great 🙂
>Boullée
My black gentleman.
>Ozu (Tarkovsky, Kiarostami, Bresson)
Based transcendentalist
cringe
Are you Indian?
not one of those people are Indian
I know. I wasn’t asking about them, I was asking about the anon. You can like artists outside of your nationality
no
>mathematician: euler/riemann/fuller
>biologist: kauffman/maturana/varela/marguilis
>historian: spengler/toynbee/gebser
>photographer: henson/giacomelli
Incredibly good taste.
>favorite prophet
Never cared
>favorite composer
Smetana
>favorite poet
Poe
>favorite novelist
Hesse
>favorite philosopher
Epictetus
>favorite playwright
no
>favorite director
Kubrick
>favorite painter
Nicholas Roerich
>favorite architect
Frank Gehry
ted kaczynski
beethoven
poetry is for gays
ernest hemingway
nietzsche
plays are for gays. but i guess whoever wrote the play that eventually became the film Glengarry Glenross
kubrick
van gogh
gaudi
Cringe
>favorite composer
Bach.
>favorite novelist
Dostoievsky.
>favorite philosopher
Kierkegaard.
>favorite director
Eric Rohmer.
>favorite painter
William-Adolphe Bouguereau.
post breasts
director
im not a patrician but i will challenge you and ask, what manner of patrician would find himself in front of an mkultra machine whether it be a television or a movie theatre
deleuze who wrote a book on the matter; there are theaters and there are cinematheques. watch avant-garde film.
> deleuze who wrote a book on the matter
That’s really not as impressive you think it is and is totally irrelevant. Also, improper use of a semi-colon
the deleuze cinema books are the highest film theory books ever made bursting with ideas, and he was definitely the most patrician person of his time. overwhelmingly in touch with every single aspect of culture as one of the last polymaths.
>, he posted on his internet device
There is a strong current of anti-mainstream, anti-“content”, anti-industry, anti-consumer filmmakers who operate outside of the dominant production bases and audience demographic. It doesn’t make their films intrinsically better but it sure destabilizes the whole “cinema is just pulp media” idea, at least in terms of the intention of the artists.
Film is anything you can do in theater + way more, barring some subtleties about acoustics or experimental audience participation stuff. Why should film have to justify itself when theater has been around for thousands of years? The difference is that between manuscripts and printed books. The technology changes society but you can do pretty much the same thing with the art itself.
>Film is anything you can do in theater + way more,
>barring some subtleties about acoustics or experimental audience participation stuff
NTA but It's way more than this. They are just different mediums. Live Actors make all the difference in the world. Anyone who routinely attends live theater in a sufficiently intimate space should understand this. Anyone who has performed on stage for a live audience should know that "audience participation" is always present. Actors can feel the energy of a crowd, they feed off it and play to it. It's not just "subtleties of acoustics" or whatever. There's some kind of deep, primal response to live human that's not the same as seeing one in a video.
There are important differences from a writing perspective as well. Theater is usually far more verbal than film. A playwright has to embed more exposition and even action itself into dialog ("O, I am slain!") and poetry. Actors in film can convey meaning with subtle expressions where stage requires a mix of dialog/oratory and dramatic emoting. Constraints breed creativity. When you are stuck writing functional dialog, there's more incentive to make the language itself pleasant to hear.
Anyway, I'm not supporting the homosexual who thinks he's cool for shitting on film, but yes film should have to justify itself.
prophet
Spinoza
composer
Brian Eno
poet
Hart Crane
novelist
Melville
philosopher
Siddhartha
playwright
Tom Stoppard
director
Lynch or Carpenter
painter
Mondrian
architect
Wright
composer
>Brian Eno
:I
>John the Baptist
>Frédéric Chopin
>Pablo Neruda
>Kurt Vonnegut
>Plato
>Big Will Shakespeare
>Stanley Kubrick
>Jacques-Louis David
>Alfred Kahn
>favorite prophet
John the Baptist
>favorite composer
Debussy
>favorite poet
Ezra Pound
>favorite novelist
Solzhenitsyn
>favorite philosopher
Hegel
>favorite playwright
Eugene O’Neill
>favorite director
Fassbinder
>favorite painter
Andrew Wyeth
>favorite architect
Not cultured enough to have a favorite architect.
>Debussy
Based if late period preferred.
>Scriabin
Based.
>Messiaen
Based.
>Wagner
Based.
Pull down thy vanity
Zarathustra
Scriabin
Heredia
Mishima
Bataille
Rostand
Teshigahara
Alma-Tadema
Brunelleschi
Are you gay?
Midwit
John C. Calhoun
Erik Satie or Federico Mompou
Fernando Pessoa
Joris-Karl Huysmans
Arthur Schopenhauer
Aeschylus
Robert Bresson or Buster Keaton
Georges Rouault
Achilles Rizzoli
>favorite prophet
L. Ron Hubbard
>favorite composer
Ravel
>favorite poet
Charles Bukowski
>favorite novelist
Mishima
>favorite philosopher
Andrew Tate
>favorite playwright
Aristophanes
>favorite director
Hideaki Anno
>favorite painter
Adolf Hitler
>favorite architect
Pierce Brosnan
>solomon
>brian wilson
>karl pilkington
>salinger
>hume
>edward albee
>coen brothers
>osman hamdi bey
>mimar sinan
likely not
>favorite prophet
christ
>favorite composer
bach
>favorite poet
ee cummings
>favorite novelist
pynchon
>favorite philosopher
leibniz
>favorite playwright
shakespeare
>favorite director
antonioni
>favorite painter
velazquez
>favorite architect
palladio
love a good masturbatory thread
>favorite prophet
Bjork
>favorite composer
Messiaen
>favorite poet
Havent read enough
>favorite novelist
Lispector
>favorite philosopher
Merleau-Ponty
>favorite playwright
Ibsen (maybe??)
>favorite director
Hitchwiener or Bresson (maybe???)
>favorite painter
Cezanne
>favorite architect
whoever did this, but any kind of folk "brutalism"
I don't have any favorite in any of those fields
prophet
Isaiah
composer
Duke Ellington
poet
Alfred Lord Tennyson
novelist
Miguel de Cervantes
philosopher
Plato
playwright
Tennessee Williams
director
Federico Fellini
painter
Holbein the Younger
architect
I.M. Pei
>favorite prophet
Myself
>favorite composer
Yu-Utsu
>favorite poet
That guy who writes limericks on the local public park’s bathroom
>favorite novelist
F. Gardner
>favorite philosopher
T. A. Davis
>favorite playwright
Shakespeare
>favorite director
T. Nasheed
>favorite painter
Olivier de Sagazan
>favorite architect
Le Corbusier
>favorite prophet
Kanye West
>favorite composer
Kanye West
>favorite poet
Kanye West
>favorite novelist
Kanye west
>favorite philosopher
Kanye wesr
>favorite playwright
Kanye west
>favorite director
Kanye west
>favorite painter
Kanye west
>favorite architect
Kanye west
>favorite philosopher
>Kanye wesr
Stop quoting literally who’s you pseud.
>those digits
Thank you Kanye, very cool!
Hell yeah
Based Dickens chad.
Based Tennyson chad. Holbein also a great choice. So good at painting sexy ladies he got Thomas Cromwell killed over it.
>velazquez
>palladio
Very very nice.
only correct answer
>prophet: Marcion
>composer: Dvorak
>poet: Goethe
>novelist: Dick
>philosopher: Schmitt
>playwright: Shakespeare
>director: Hitchwiener
>painter: Goya
>architect: Fuller (mainly due to him being a polymath)
marcion, dvorak, fuller - very classy anon, the rest a bit run-of-the-mill though
prophet
Moses
>favorite poet
Shakespeare
>favorite novelist
Dickens
>favorite philosopher
Confucius
>favorite playwright
Shakespeare
>favorite painter
Goya
>favorite prophet
St. Paul
>favorite composer
Steve Reich
>favorite poet
e.e. cummings
>favorite novelist
Nabokov
>favorite philosopher
Deleuze
>favorite playwright
Shakespeare
>favorite director
Takeshi Kitano
>favorite painter
Goya
>favorite architect
Frank Lloyd Wright
Based Kitano enjoyer. Also great to see Bresson mentionned so often.
Good thread, fine taste overall. You guys are alright.
prophet
Nietzsche
composer
Wagner. Unironically, good music.
poet
Lovecraft
novelist
McCarthy
philosopher
Same as the prophet
playwright
Don't read them.
director
No particular ones, movies deserve to be made as personal expression, one film per director.
painter
Bosch
architect
None
>favorite prophet
Buddha
>favorite composer
Vivaldi
>favorite poet
None.
>favorite novelist
Paulo Coelho as of now
>favorite philosopher
Kant
>favorite playwright
None
>favorite director
Spielberg or Nolan
>favorite painter
None
>favorite architect
None
Most plebeian man on the planet, right here.
it's bait
>favorite prophet
Elijah's the funniest
>favorite composer
Tie between Beethoven and Bach
>favorite poet
All poetry is terrible
>favorite novelist
Heinlein
>favorite philosopher
Nietzsche
>favorite playwright
Marlowe
>favorite director
Jodorowsky
>favorite painter
Hard to say overall but my favorite painting is a Rembrandt
>favorite architect
JC Warnecke
>Most plebeian man on the planet, right here
>prophet: N/A
>composer: Philip Glass
>poet: W.B. Yeats
>novelist: Haruki Murakami
>philosopher: Theodor Adorno
>playwright: Harold Pinter
>director: Kenji Mizoguchi
>painter: Henry Darger
>architect: Albert Speer
prophet
The Unabomber
composer
Beethoven
poet
Mario Quintana
novelist
Houellebeqc
philosopher
nietzche
playwright
Shakespeare
director
Wes Anderson
painter
Monet
architect
My gf
architect
>My gf
awwww thats cute
Im a proud plebian
>favorite prophet
Krishna
>favorite composer
I like Enya
>favorite poet
I haven't read any
>favorite novelist
Tom Clancy
>favorite philosopher
Krishna
>favorite playwright
Shakespeare is the only one I've read
>favorite director
Micheal Mann
>favorite painter
Hergé
>favorite architect
Subsaharan Black folks
prophet
Wagner.
composer
Wagner.
poet
Wagner.
novelist
Wagner.
philosopher
Wagner.
playwright
Wagner.
director
Wagner.
painter
Wagner.
architect
Wagner.
>favorite prophet
Baba Vanga
>favorite composer
paganini
>favorite poet
John keats
>favorite novelist
Vladimir nabokov
>favorite philosopher
Epictetus
>favorite playwright
Not really familiar with playwrights am i forced to say shakespeare
>favorite director
Kurosawa
>favorite painter
John singer Sargent
>favorite architect
Never cared all that much about architecture even as design student
>favorite board
/X/
>prophet
Spengler for political philosophy and Tesla for Science
>composer
Don't care. Classical music bores me. Zappa, Hirasawa, Coltrane, Jack white and Casablancas all have a great sense of sound.
>poet
Ashbery for modern aesthetics and Wordsworth for classical. Stopping by the woods on a snowy evening is the best poem though.
>novelist
Cormac McCarthy, and more recently Murnane. Joyce also has an overwhelming prose style.
>philosopher
Heidegger, and John Gray among living ones.
>playwright
Shakespeare. Really like Sam Shepard also. Only loved Endgame and Krapp's last tape from Beckett.
>director
Don't really care for most of them but Bergman is good. Lynch is fine too
>painter
Goya or Rene Magritte. Dali was also a Genius.
>architect
Don't care.
>short story writer
Kafka and Borges
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
What you laughing at idiot?
>favorite prophet
Jesus Christ
>favorite composer
Beethoven
>favorite poet
Jim Harrison
>favorite novelist
Joseph Conrad
>favorite philosopher
Alfred North Whitehead
>favorite playwright
Shakespeare
>favorite director
Sergio Leone
>favorite painter
Andrew Wyeth
>favorite architect
William Van Alen
>favorite prophet
Quazimodo
>favorite composer
Bach
>favorite poet
David Berman
>favorite novelist
David Foster Wallace
>favorite philosopher
Deleuze
>favorite playwright
Shakespeare
>favorite director
Paul Thomas Anderson
>favorite painter
Dali
>favorite architect
Eero Saarinen
and my favorite athlete is Ezekiel Elliott
>Berman
Any chance you can post a couple of poems in Actual Air?
Thank you, mr devil
Do not fancy myself 'patrician'
Nonetheless
>prophet
Isaiah
>composer
prefer Telemann's Wassermusik to Handel's; Wagner
>poet
Marvell, Stevens
>novelist
Stendhal, Chartreuse moreso than Rouge, etc./Aragon
>philosopher
Spinoza
>playwright
Shakespeare
>director
Herzog
>painter
Tintoretto/Corot (I like Barbizon)
>architect
kek, probably Gaudi, but was a far earlier admirer of 'Seuss'
morons, like above, are so fricking incompetent they have to list multiple people per category because their insecurity prevents them from following directions. If you can’t list one person per category, you’re a fricking pseud who spent 30 minutes doing research to perfectly curate your pseud response. Sad
Kek. Is this the anon who is always harping on curated images?
its common of the patrician at a dinner party to toggle through 5 whatevers at any 'favorite' question, thats the nature of them.
> its common of the patrician at a dinner party to toggle through 5 whatevers at any 'favorite' question, thats the nature of them
Gee, anon, (you) nailed /me/
But then I'm no 'patrician' --as stated
I think the avoidance of direct confrontation rather highlights your own insecurity here, m8. Just sayin'.
Cry more, pseud.
You always b***h about anons’ favorites but I never see you put forth what a “true” list should look like
Hey, fren, I'm the one you responded to and I really don't care one way or the other tbh. Just so you know these above dudes aren't me
A variety of answers makes the thread more interesting. I separated mine as honorable mentions and personal choices because I wanted to be honest about my actual, pretty unremarkable, favorites but also provide the personal touch that prevents these threads from being exercises in redundancy just repeating the top-tier classics. Also, it can obviously be hard to pick a favorite, sometimes it’s clear sometimes not so much.
>Marvell
>Telemann
Good lad.
Favorite Ashbery poems? I’m on the fence about him but I can’t help kinda liking him.
>Conrad
>Whitehead
My homie
It’s very obvious your algorithm here was 100% based on the composer category, lol. Do better anon
Nah, you just have shit taste, moron.
Ok you’re right anon, clearly the rarefied selections of Goya (3x), Dali, ee cummings, PKD, McCarthy, Mishima, Wright, Fuller, “don’t care”, Schopenhauer, Bergman, Lynch and Hitchwiener deserve to be elevated above the crowd.
Nothing against those anons or those picks btw but there’s nothing noticeably special about them. Should’ve just stuck to vaguely calling everyone else a pleb, it’s safer that way.
Yeah I would probably have had different picks on a different day but all my favorite picks felt pretty solid even if I wouldn’t necessarily have thought of them that way without being prompted.
its just all of them put together seen as a whole
I don’t understand how someone can have a single favorite. It always depends on my mood and mindset
Yeah, I agree.
Whenever I answer these things I appoint what first comes to mind, subject to change (of course) day to day almost.
t. dif anon
>Prophet: Lao Tzu (Inb4 not a prophet)
>Composer: Claudio Monteverdi
>Poet: Khalil Gibran
>Novelist: Leo Tolstoy / James Joyce
>Philosopher: Jean Baudrillard
>Playwright: Anton Chekhov
>Director: Stanley Kubrick
>Painter: Giovanni Battista Tiepolo
>Architect: Luis Barragán
Ultimately everything is either a cope to make us feel better about ourselves. That or something to temporarily forget about mortality
Ultimately both supermarkets and gas stations serve us biomass; no way around this
I do love me some biomass indeed
favorite prophet Obadiah
favorite composer F. Chopin
favorite poet Virgil/Ovid
favorite novelist Thomas Wolfe
favorite philosopher Edmund Husserl
favorite playwright Sophocles
favorite director Michael Cimino
favorite painter Titian
favorite architect R. Buckminster Fuller
Not a patrician, I doubt any of them exist any more. If they do, they probably don't post here
>favorite prophet
Joseph smith
>favorite composer
Vivaldi/Tchaikovsky or Chopin
>favorite poet
Kipling, but I don't like poetry
>favorite novelist
My favourite authors did not write novels as far as I understand, hence I guess conrad.
>favorite philosopher
I do not read philosophy. Nietzche, I guess.
>favorite playwright
Lope de vega
>favorite director
I do not watch cinema often, Sergio leone
>favorite painter
Goya
>favorite architect
Yakov Chernikhov, like bouille, he didn't actually build anything important. But he drew lots.
You know what. I recant my choice of Goya. I like bosch more on retrospect.
>Yakov Chernikhov, like bouille, he didn't actually build anything important. But he drew lots.
Would be cool to have some kind of coffee-table-book type collection of drawings by "outsider" architects like these guys or Piranesi.
Eh yeah I suppose the majority of the "middlebrow" ones are just not that good. But I like the Tennyson/Holbein list, the tripgay's list, and the Velazquez/Palladio list and of course my own better than the Dvorak list and the Reich list. Probably just shows my bias for painting and architecture though.
The Zappa list has some deep cuts although his sensibilities about classical, architecture and film all trigger me, and the Scriabin and Mompou lists are both solid across the board if not super esoteric. It is funny to see how that one guy stands out so much though, certainly humbling to me although the jury is still out for me on a lot of modern aesthetics.
Also the guy who said "all poetry is terrible" and then picked Heinlein for his novelist should have his own tier where he gets to drool and gnaw on plastic blocks and moan incoherently and beat his head against the wall until his handler comes and restrains him and changes his diaper. Just my opinion though of course.
>the guy who said "all poetry is terrible" and then picked Heinlein for his novelist
Poetry is stillborn songwriting and reading a poem is like looking at a harlequin baby. And I grew out of pretending that popular things are bad back in my second year of college.
>no I’m not an 80 iq anti-intellectual pleb, I just created an arbitrary autistic justification for my contrarianism
So you’re a based moron instead of a regular moron, nice. This just means your favorite poet is your favorite lyricist.
Spamming pseud comments while redditspacing is the most plebian thing imaginable. Atleast I am secure in my taste.
Woman.
Woman.
Woman.
Woman.
troony.
troony.
I'm not a woman. You are just a homosexual.
Also reddit spacing.
I was almost impressed then I remembered my trip lol
fairly accurate
Fairly inaccurate
>Prophet
Elijah
>Composer
Brian Wilson
>Poet
Alexander Pushkin
>Novelist
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
>Philosopher
Peter
>Playwright
Anton Chekhov
>Director
Andrzej Zuławski
>Painter
John Martin
>Architect
Hiram
prophet
Don't know any
composer
Don't know any that I like
poet
Pope
novelist
Gogol
philosopher
Haven't read any. Maybe Homer from The Simpsons
playwright
Haven't read any
director
I don't watch movies
painter
I don't look at paintings
architect
I don't look at buildings
Let's have a guess who the women are.
lmao this board is so sad
why
theres no merit in trying to seek the approval of anonymous strangers on the internet. It comes off as desperate and pathetic every time
are we seeking approval or connecting over common interests?
theres no worthwile discussions happening in this thread or any thread like this. At most, you will get some interesting recommendations to follow up on. But you know full well that none of you homosexuals are posting your lists here to have "genuine discussions", you just want to be (you)'d with a "based" so you can get that dopamine kick. Dont try to spin it into something bigger than that. If you want a thread with genuine discussions, start those fricking discussions, and say it plainly without any moronic "larping" or memery. Everyone knows its not a larp, you are genuinely concerned about appearing "patrician" to a bunch of complete strangers. Dont pretend this is not a desperate attempt to feel validated.
It’s not that serious. People like saying what they enjoy and bonding over common interests, maybe getting a rec or two. If you don’t like the thread, I’m sure there are others for you. The whole I’m stopping into this thread to tell you I’m above you thing is pretty corny
I am above this, and you should be too. I'm stopping into this thread to tell you to be better, stop simulating and focus on your real self, get rid of the insecurities that make you want to come here to post a soulless list to no one, stop assimilating into what the internet has become and trying to rank everything into tier lists, into based or cringe. Dont rationalize this behavior into telling yourself you are connecting with people. You are bonding with no one, you are bonding with your computer screen and the inflated versions of you that live in your head and you project onto the people posting here. Stop being so masturbatory and circle-jerky. I dont think its healthy. But whatever, you do you
The board is dead but I can’t leave so I just like to see the interests in the IQfy community and other general threads. I would love if there was more discussion but every time I make a thread that isn’t in the lit top 20 it is archived by the time I come back it is archived with 0-5 replies. Once again, the board is dead so you shouldn’t take it too seriously. I’d take these threads over the incel/pol/books for/pseudophilosophy qa threads that plague the board.
I can completely sympathize with this. I agree with everything you said. Its just very frustrating that there is no place on the internet where you can consistently have intelligent, genuine discussions. I personally think it's not just this board, the whole internet has been getting worse and worse with time. The internet of today is not really a place to connect with people anymore, it has basically become the western version of the Chinese social credit system. Its an auto-disciplinary system, a place for people to identify you and judge the quality of your character, so you can be treated accordningly irl. Its a marketplace of personalities, and so many people become more concerned with their image than anything real. This, combined with the all-consuming (post)-ironic culture that we have created for ourselves, and that prematurely kills every attempt at sincerity, has created a mostly performative world that has been so internalized, that even in an anonymous imageboard we act not naturally, but as though the whole world is watching us
I do agree to a certain extent but we are anonymous here so it’s very narcissistic and insecure if anons are tailoring their list to look highbrow. I’ve always found it’s better to take people at face value. The thread is a little bit masturbatory but you have to put yourself out there in some way to get any hits. Sadly I’ve found list type threads, like this, or stack and shelf threads best for throwing a lot of shit out there and seeing if anyone responds. We just have to do what we can. Don’t shitpost in legitimate threads, bump those same threads even if you feel lame because you don’t have much to say, or posting about the book you are reading. It’s tough to get morale up to actually make single book threads because the board is too fast. If the board is going to be improved it’s going to take a concerted effort if the jannies aren’t going to do anything. It sucks but I’ve learned to like general low hanging fruit threads compared to the rest of the board
yeah, i guess youre right, its very hard to fight it, theres not much of a point. Its probably better to learn to accept it for what it is. It does make me sad, but maybe i am being too cynical
The jannies do important stuff like deleting threads where people are talking about aesthetic philosophy because the OP was made with direct references to painting and music without throwing in a cursory mention of some author that was part of the same aesthetic tendency. This sounds vaguely understandable, if unnecessarily strict, unless you are someone who is actually familiar with the board and sees the threads that survive all day, from low-effort reposted bait OPs to legitimate gimmick cancer spam threads to "when was the last time you had sex" with a frog picture (going on 10 hours that one's been up). But nope, can't let people talk about Lyotard and Bataille and aesthetic philosophies of modernism vs. postmodernism, because the OP failed to put "books for this feel?" in his post.
This is just an irrelevant rant but it does play into why (directed at
) I am enthusiastic about a format where discussion about other artistic media that either lack dedicated boards, or that are restricted to single general threads on their own boards, can potentially occur. That's the reason I've taken more interest in this thread as opposed to other "favorites list" threads (though I have had quite good, albeit combative, discussions in those, and there was one that I wish I had just bumped when it was on the edge instead of writing a full reply because there were already some interesting recs being given), and have tried to engage people and compliment them and hopefully make them feel good about the prospect of engaging in more wide-ranging discussions. Should I do more than just say "hey I love these choices" to different people? Yeah, sure, but I want to at least get that part out there and I don't always have the time/energy to go into more detail. And fwiw I do genuinely feel something resembling a "connection" when I see one other person in the thread who picks the same thing as me, obviously something like this is not a replacement for friendship but it buoys the spirit to know there are people who understand and share certain sensibilities you hold very close to your heart.
I don't think the internet is necessarily doomed, it's just a machine that will try to make money where it can, which is usually done by appealing to the worst in people. "Intelligent, genuine discussion" has always been a rare treasure both on the internet and in person, and I think the effect that changing structures exert on the availability of that particular (again, very rare and not to be found in any predictable or systematic way) commodity is probably marginal.
>Brunelleschi
I had to put the Hagia Sophia architects over him because they were the OGs but he was extremely cool. Botticelli is great too, there was some painting that an anon posted on here a while back that had such a cool shadowy background with like golden-orange fruit standing out against it, reminded me of some fin de siecle illustration.
>unless you are someone who is actually familiar with the board and sees the threads that survive all day, from low-effort reposted bait OPs to legitimate gimmick cancer spam threads to "when was the last time you had sex" with a frog picture (going on 10 hours that one's been up).
This is the most maddening part of the board. It chaps my cheeks when anons ignore those threads but barge into others to complain. I get the annoyance that the one anon has with IQfy, many feel it, but like you are saying there is aesthetic sensibilities that cross over into other media and art forms. It’s always cool when you see someone who likes the same things as you, especially if they’re more niche, maybe an anon can get a rec or two, or maybe even the much sought for discussion happens. The thread is fine IMO
I mean the "are you patrician" part is a silly larp but I am hugely in favor of any thread that tries to bring in discussion of all artforms together, it's extremely important imo and helps you see literature in different, more interesting and more meaningful ways. Would certainly be better if people elaborated, engaged with others, etc., a little more, but even just looking at people's lists is very interesting because it allows you to think about what, say, poet X and painter Y might have in common that would cause them to be favored by the same person.
Take the example of
: to me Raphael is usually just "the 'School of Athens' one", the middle ground between Da Vinci and Michelangelo, and doesn't capture my interest a whole lot, but since I like Woolf and Housman and Ecclesiastes I went back and looked at his works more closely and got a better sense of their power, liveliness and poetry. Also makes me more excited to get into reading the Greek tragedies seeing someone with solid taste picking Sophocles as a favorite. And it goes without saying it can be great for recommendations - if you know a lot about film but not much about music, you can pick out people who align with your taste in film and use their music picks as indicators of composers who might interest you.
The world is a big, fascinating place out there, there's so much to see and do, should you ever decide to stop being a snide backbiting little homosexual.
I actually think patrician is the best ingroup word for a specific slice of highbrow media/philosophy/anything. look up "patrician x charts" and its always better than most charts made here. it doesn't actually denote patrician just the omnipresent tongue-in-cheek use of patrician (which I think ironically has now become it). I found this prompt in the 2017 lit archives from looking up random combinations of painter/poet - architect/composer etc -- I think it's a soulful spread. should have added something more STEM though. the mix of humanities and stem is the best to provoke out of people.
Yeah I didn't really mean that in a negative way, just trying to point out to that guy that he was taking it too seriously. I do really love the concept, you should post it again sometime after this one dies. Kinda awkward because it results in a lot of the same people posting the same lists but also worthwhile in the sense that it allows you to more fully explore the deep potential for discussion of those same lists.
Very cool choices, I was beginning to worry I'd be the only one to pick Turner, makes me feel less alone on here. I'll nitpick and say you probably like Bramante more so than Michelangelo if you're just going off of St Peter's.
Nice list, love the Pope pick.
W&P, The Things They Carried, Middlemarch, poems by Hardy and Yeats.
Clever, but insufferably so. Bailey is lovely though so thanks for that.
Wholesome. Was also worrying I'd be the only one to pick Dickinson, and she deserves way more than just my feeble appreciation.
>Pope
Yeah, he's great. There's poets who have written better poems, but for me Pope has the most consistent high quality across his works, and for wit he cannot be beaten.
>insufferably so
what makes you say that?
Just reads as tryhard quirky to me. Your passion for those things may be sincere though, it’s between you and God.
So much range of imagination and subject matter, and such natural grace and clarity. What do you think about Dryden? I was talking to someone earlier in the thread who compared his translations to Pope’s and said they were better, but imo both of them were just masterful. Milton’s great too, almost as technically skilled as those guys in his own weird way. Also do you have a favorite by Pope? I would have to go with the Dunciad, just the concept alone is amazing and the silliness of it makes the craft stand out even more.
I'll admit to not having read that much of Dryden, but what I have is missing that spark of brilliance that makes Pope so enjoyable to me; not to put down Dryden in any way. Pope is just so lavish and fun and vivacious, and Dryden doesn't quite reach that for me. Maybe it's that I haven't read enough of him, I don't know. My favourite of Pope's would have to be a toss up between the Essay on Man and Rape of the Lock; Essay for it's wisdom, Rape for it's sheer silliness. I'm currently reading through his Iliad translation and that's been excellent too, questions on accuracy to the original notwithstanding.
weird because I see the inverse of that. to me Pope and Dryden strike me how Kant and Hegel feel as a duo. one is the straight shot, the other is the self-bending trip. his Virgil is mystic.
fair enough lol. glad you like bailey though, he's fantastic. check out mark karnes
So I see everyone just picking who they think will impress other pseuds
>favorite prophet
None
>favorite composer
Wagner, Sibelius, Mahler
>favorite poet
Me
>favorite novelist
None
>favorite philosopher
Nietzsche and Heidegger
>favorite playwright
None
>favorite director
Kazan
>favorite painter
Modigliani
>favorite architect
None
prophet
Qoheleth
composer
Mozart
poet
Housman
novelist
Woolf
philosopher
Hume
playwright
Sophocles
director
N/A
painter
Raphael
architect
Longhena
>favorite prophet
Myself.
>prophet
Dunno. Never paid much attention to the Old Testament. John I guess?
>Composer
Wagner, by far.
>Poet
Pope or Milton
>Novelist
Peake.
>Philosopher
Wagner, though I suppose he's more a general artist/critic than pure philosopher. More traditional philosophy I would go Plato I guess. Can't beat the original.
>Playwright.
Shakespeare, obviously. Or Wagner. I like Wagner a lot.
>Director
Leone or Lumet.
>Painter
I never cared for painting.
>Architect
Piranesi or Boullee
>favorite prophet
Not familiar enough with religion to pick one
>favorite composer
Bill Evans
>favorite poet
Haven’t read enough to pick one
>favorite novelist
Mishima
>favorite philosopher
Spinoza
>favorite playwright
Shakespeare
>favorite director
Safdie bros
>favorite painter
Bart van der Leck
>favorite architect
Richard Neutra
Fellow would-be-patricians, have any of you ever read a book that made you cry?
If so, which book(s)?
I cried while reading the following:
The Unknown Soldier - Vaino Linna
Hard Times - Charles Dickens
Little Dorrit - Charles Dickens
Black Beauty - Anna Sewell
Night - Elie Wiesel
I cried reading the section of Mason and Dixon where Mason's father futilely tries to reconnect with his son. Hard Times carried a lot of emotional weight despite being the most didactic of Dickens' later works. I can imagine it would hit hard for anyone with an addict in the family.
>favorite prophet
Jeremiah on a personal level Isaiah for what God reveals.
>favorite composer
Rachmaninoff
>favorite poet
Rumi for more spiritual moods and Swinburne for technique
>favorite novelist
I don't love novels but Gogol honestly
>favorite philosopher
Socrates for feeling like I'm expanding myself by the nobility of the humans spirit and St. Thomas Aquinas for the sheer terror of his accuracy
>favorite playwright
Shakespeare but underread here
>favorite director
John Ford
>favorite painter
JMW Turner
>favorite architect
Michaelangelo because St. peter's but I don't know many. I like Ghery?
>Rachmaninoff
Thoughts on Scriabin and Medtner, lads?
I haven’t listened to them, what would you recommend?
Depends. What are your favorite pieces by Rachmaninoff?
Either his 2nd or 3rd piano concerto
Beethoven
Nietzsche
Titian, Bosch, Da-Vinci
>favorite prophet
Pynchon
>favorite composer
Shostakovich
>favorite poet
Eliot
>favorite novelist
Nabokov
>favorite philosopher
The Vedas
>favorite playwright
Beckett... if you held a gun to my head
>favorite director
Hitchwiener
>favorite painter
Goya
>favorite architect
Don't have one
Incredibly based
Its spelled Neechee
Christcuck
Pedestrian
Elderly
>prophet
Budha
>composer
Bethoven
>poet
Dante
>Novelist
Selby Jr
> philosopher
Nietzche
>playwright
Shakespere
>director
havent watched MK ultra in ages so probably Peter Jackson for his LOTR trilogy
> painter
Caravaggio
>Architect
Adolf HITLER
prophet
Saint John of Kronstadt
composer
JS Bach
poet
Edgar Allan Poe
novelist
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
philosopher
Saint Maximus the Confessor
playwright
William Shakespeare
director
David Lynch
painter
Albrecht Dürer
architect
Gothic
>favorite prophet
Elijah
>favorite composer
Liszt
>favorite poet
Emerson
>favorite novelist
King
>favorite philosopher
Hume
>favorite playwright
none
>favorite director
Apatow
>favorite painter
Banksy
>favorite architect
Gerhy
I consider myself a patrician
prophet Jesus Christ. The fact that he basically was a student of a rabbi and with the help of God detroyed their caste and israelites today still seeting calling him the reincarnation of Esau (Caos) is kino
composer Vivaldi. Just do yourself a favor and listen to 4 stagioni by Giardino Armonico
poet Probably Rumi. He is the creme of the creme of poetry. His poems are one phrase style the exact opposite of diluition. "Rumi — 'You are not a drop in the ocean. You are the entire ocean in a drop"
novelist Edgar Allan Poe. He ruined literature for me. I cannot read anything else anymore. Peak content and peak style.
philosopher Philosophy its a scam, id doesnt exist. The real philosophy of men is enfused in the oral tradition
playwright still need to decide, maybe Shakespeare
director Nolan. The Prestige is my favourite movie, do a favor and go watch it. You will like it i promise
painter ludwig deutsch
architect whoever does Gothic and Rococo
I would definitely not consider myself patrician.
>favorite prophet
Jeremiah, unless Jesus Himself counts
>favorite composer
Chopin
>favorite poet
Dickinson
>favorite novelist
Marilynne Robinson
>favorite philosopher
Kierkegaard
>favorite playwright
Shakespeare
>favorite director
Xavier Beauvois
>favorite painter
Jean-Léon Gérôme
>favorite architect
Whomever built my home, because it's a nice little home.
>Joseph Smith
>Bartok
>Eliot
>Pynchon
>Carnap
>Sophocles
>Dreyer
>Van Gogh
>Peter and Alison Smithson
>favorite prophet
Samuel
>favorite composer
Dvorak
>favorite poet
Virgil
>favorite novelist
Tolkien
>favorite philosopher
Aquinas
>favorite playwright
Wagner
>favorite director
George Lucas
>favorite painter
Botticelli
>favorite architect
Brunelleschi
>prophet: religion is cringe, just because the millennials were blasphemers doesn't mean belief in a higher power has any validity
>composer: classical music is overrated, no bass and effects make it rather dull generally speaking
>poet: poetry is cringe, it's overwrought nonsense
>philosopher: philosophy is cringe, pointless bullshit
>playwright: theater is cringe, it's overwrought nonsense
>novelist: jules verne
>director: coen brothers
>painter: tamara de łempicka
>architect: mies van der rohe
I may be on the wrong board.
favourite prophet: unironically moses but the bible sucks. Moses is the most Aryan israelite to ever live.
favourite composer: mozart
favourite poet: Dante
favourite novelist: Caeser (his military diaries should be treated as fiction)
favourite philosopher: Plato, nietzche close second. Plato could not forsee the diesisese of christianity.
favourite playwright: Only read shakesperes macbeth, was very good though
favourite director: spielberg. Another deceptively aryan israelite. were any israelites gassed in list. was Goeth really aryan?
favourite painter: Caravaggio
Favourite Architect: my mum and grandpaps..
>favorite prophet
Daniel
>favorite composer
Rachmaninoff
>favorite poet
TS Eliot
>favorite novelist
Dostoyevsky
>favorite philosopher
St Maximos the Confessor
>favorite playwright
Beckett
>favorite director
Tarkovsky
>favorite painter
John Atkinson Grimshaw
>favorite architect
Isidore and Anthemius
Bit scary how well this aligns with my picks, albeit I put more than one for most categories (Grimshaw being very similar to Turner/Whistler, plus Isidore/Anthemius especially, plus Eliot, plus Tarkovsky, plus Beckett). I also don't know much about Maximos but once I asked an anon about him and I found his description (something about all living things being like "shards" of God which were united in Christ?) to be incredibly poetic. Love Dosto too although I haven't read much of him. You perhaps should try Andrey Bely if you haven't, I think a lot of the sensibilities he appeals to in me might be the same ones evidenced by some of your choices (also you seem to like Russians in general and he has a lot to say about Russian identity).
Anyway, I hope you can feel some satisfaction in knowing that some homosexual out there thinks you are pretty cool.
Thank you for the kind words. I do wonder what the common thread is through all of our preferences.
Yes, that other anon was right in his high level description of St Maximos. The logoi in his thinking are effectively the concepts that existed in God's mind prior to creation which He freely willed to be created once He created the universe. As such, creation is the expression of these many logoi. Though they are unified in the one Logos of God - so they are many and one simultaneously. I find his "On the Cosmic Mystery of Christ" to be quite profound too. His understanding of soteriology is in some ways quite distinct to western understandings. I'd liken it more to St Athanasius in how there is an ontological restoration of all creation in the Incarnation. So, as you could probably work out, St Maximos has Platonic threads in his thinking but I wouldn't squarely call him a Platonist - he is a Christian after all.
I haven't read Andrey Bely but I will have a look. I'd be curious to know what sort of sensibilities do you refer to exactly.
That is really beautiful, thank you for explaining. Anyway Bely has some deep connections to those ideas about salvation as unification, he connects to Dosto in terms of the examination of the dark, unfathomable side of human nature (and murder more specifically; he was definitely directly influenced in some ways although he's quite different in other ways), connects to Tarkovsky more generally in terms of his spiritual concerns and use of symbols, connects to Beckett generally in terms of absurd humor, the instability of identity, and anti-structure, anti-knowledge sentiment, and to Eliot in terms of dealing with apocalyptic changes and the meeting of time and eternity. Also a lot of his scenery has the same sort of atmosphere as the painting you posted (and he was a mathematician so that connects to Isidore and Anthemius as well, lol). I'm pretty sure his biggest influences were Pushkin and Gogol though.
As for the common thread, for me I think I come to those things through a combination of sincere spiritual searching combined with a deep commitment to aesthetics as spiritually significant in themselves. Your reasons may be different but either way I appreciate your taste.
>Master Gerhard
You ever read War & War by Krasznahorkai? I only mention it because the building of Cologne Cathedral and its interruption figures in it as one of a few major historical touchstones that make up a general narrative of Europe.
>Uccello
Why him in particular? I am woefully unversed in Renaissance stuff beyond the big names.
Yeah, I'd say those threads are not even worth preaching to though, best just to report and move on. I appreciate that he at least argued the point in good faith, and he wasn't totally wrong in my case, but I think as long as one is honest in one's choices, there are plenty of worse ways to seek validation.
Thanks for this. Is there anything that I should start with for Bely? Speaking of Russians, I started readings "Reflections of a Russian Statesman" by Pobedonostsev but then I got distracted by other things. I have a nasty habit of deciding to read too many things at once. Though, I was thoroughly enjoying it especially given my political sympathies. If you're interested in works concerning salvation read St Athanasius' "On the Incarnation" as flagged earlier. To me, it's Christian soteriology 101.
>As for the common thread, for me I think I come to those things through a combination of sincere spiritual searching combined with a deep commitment to aesthetics as spiritually significant in themselves
I think I'd agree with this which is why I put Isidore and Anthemius as my favourite architects. A little while ago I was reading about how the auditory qualities of Hagia Sophia were specifically designed for liturgical purposes - same thing with its internal lighting and how they emphasise specific icons. Though this was from journal articles so I can't really recommend any specific books. I'd also add that there is a thread of melancholy in all of our preferences but not necessarily a narcissistic "woe is me" one. Hidden in all of it is desire and expectation of redemption despite it being so obscured and hidden by the spirit of the age and our own sin. It's what Orthodox monks call "joyful mourning".
>why Uccello?
It’s hard to say. This painting just struck me like no other has. It’s mystical, I can’t explain it. I’m currently searching for a skilled local painter that can paint me a quality reproduction. I can’t and won’t argue for his greatness, it’s a personal and emotional thing.
It's generic. You are an idiot.
As I said. It’s personal. My truth. Brush up on some Kierkegaard and Nietzsche’s Perspectivism.
beautiful ideas. It make sense because Adam was created giving a form to earth and God breathed in it
Wow damn close to me. Several of yours were my second picks.
For prophet it was either going to be David, Isaiah or Daniel given how heavily messianic their prophecies are. Funnily enough I even considered Ezra Pound as my favourite poet (I presume you’re
). Nice to see an anon with good taste
That's me. I also like your taste as well anon. Tbh there's a fair few decent lists in this thread. Heartening.
now kiss
>favorite prophet
Terry Davis
>favorite composer
Gorecki
>favorite poet
Neruda
>favorite novelist
Borges
>favorite philosopher
Keirkegaard
>favorite playwright
Beckett
>favorite director
Tarkovsky
>favorite painter
Kim Keever
>favorite architect
Julio Lafuente
>favorite prophet
Buber
>favorite composer
Scriabin
>favorite poet
Rilke
>favorite novelist
Dostoyevsky/Pynchon
>favorite philosopher
Emerson/Nietzsche
>favorite playwright
Aiskhýlos
>favorite director
Tarkovsky/Aleksei German/David Blair
>favorite painter
Paolo Uccello
>favorite architect
Master Gerhard
>favorite prophet
Jesus
>favorite composer
Bach/Monteverdi/Messiaen
>favorite poet
Pieter Corneliszoon Hooft
>favorite novelist
James Joyce, Fernando Pessoa, Louis Paul Boon, Mccarthy
>favorite philosopher
Spinoza, Kierkegaard
>favorite playwright
Beckett I guess. Not super into them
>favorite director
Bergman, Bresson, Tarkovsky, Fellini
>favorite painter
Vincent van Gogh,George Hendrik Breitner
>favorite architect
None
Prophet: The Buddha
Composer: Mozart
Poet: Borges
Novelist: Mishima
Philosopher: Nietzsche
Playwright:Shakespeare
Director: Tarkovsky
Painter: Turner
Architect: Takashi Yamaguchi
>favorite prophet
Lol, I don't give a frick about your fairy tales
>favorite composer
I don't listen to "classical" music
>favorite poet
I also hate poetry
>favorite novelist
H.G. Wells
>favorite philosopher
Saint Max
>favorite playwright
I don't like théâtre neither
>favorite director
Sergio Leone
>favorite painter
Paul Gauguin
>favorite architect
None
prophet
Ezekiel (st John if "prophet")
composer
Camille Saint-Saens
poet
Charles Baudelaire
novelist
Jules Barbey d'Aurevilly
philosopher
Edmund Husserl
playwright
Jean Racine
director
John Ford
painter
Gustave Moreau
architect
Eugene Viollet-le-Duc
>favorite prophet: Jesus
>favorite composer: Chopin
>favorite poet: Tennyson
>favorite novelist: Joyce
>favorite philosopher: Junger
>favorite playwright: Shakesphere
>favorite director: Polanski
>favorite painter: Raphael
>favorite architect: Bramante
>Hermes
>Bach
>William Blake
>Cormac McCarthy
>Plato
>filtered by theatre
>Kubrick
>anything realism
>Álvaro Siza
Daniel
Rachmaninoff
Ezra Pound
Dostoyevsky
Guenon
Don't know many, probably Shakespeare
Robert Eggers
John William Waterhouse
Joseph Connolly
>favorite prophet
bacon
>favorite composer
mozart
>favorite poet
spenser
>favorite novelist
waugh
>favorite philosopher
bacon
>favorite playwright
shakespeare collaboration
>favorite director
coppola
>favorite painter
vermeer
>favorite architect
unknown gothic cathedrals
>favorite prophet
cristian rosenkreutz
>favorite composer
mozart
>favorite poet
byron
>favorite novelist
waugh
>favorite philosopher
leibniz
>favorite playwright
shakespeare collaboration
>favorite director
coppola
>favorite painter
vermeer
>favorite architect
unknown gothic cathedrals
>Blake
>Mahler
>Blake
>Dan Simmons? (I mostly read horror short stories, so I can confidently say Ligotti for that)
>Aristotle
>Lorca
>John Carpenter
>Remington
>Claude Bragdon
Prophet: Dante, Nietzsche
Composer: Beethoven, Chopin, Wagner, Monteverdi, Bellini, Verdi, Brahms, Debussy
Poet: Homer and Dante
Novelist: Cervantes, Flaubert, Proust
Philosopher: Aristotle, Hume, Leopardi
Playwright: Aeschylus
Director: Antonioni, late Buñuel, late Renoir, late Welles
Painter: della Francesca, Bellini, Raphael, Uccello, Botticelli, Bronzino, Tiepolo, Poussin, Velázquez, Goya, Wyndham Lewis
Architect: Palladio, Borromini
I can’t read, see, or hear. I am Helen Keller
prophet
Jonah
composer
Mozart, Schubert, Wagner, Janacek
poet
Homer
novelist
V.S. Naipaul
philosopher
George Berkeley
playwright
Shakespeare
director
Michael Bay
painter
Goya
architect
N/A
>favorite prophet; David
>favorite composer; Debussy
>favorite poet; Baudelaire
>favorite novelist; Bolano
>favorite philosopher; Deleuze
>favorite playwright; Jarry / Karl Kraus
>favorite director; Pier Paolo Pasolini
>favorite painter; Robert DeRuins
>favorite architect; Brunelleschi
Eques reporting in.
>prophet: Daniel.
>composer: I do like Grieg, I suppose.
>poet: Very conflicted. Freiherr von Hardenberg (Novalis) is what I am leaning towards right now.
>novelist: Does Tolkien count? if not, then I'll have to be boring and say Dostojevskij.
>philosopher: Boethius.
>playwright: Shakespeare.
>director: Of the ones currently alive? Eggers.
>painter: Tidemand is of course a classic, but my final answer is Willums.
>architect: No idea, I generally dislike neo-classicalisms, prefer wood and granite to marble and gold, basically I live for the late Gothic, Romanesque as well as Jugend styles.
prophet
gul dukat
composer
john williams
poet
george lucas
novelist
george r.r. martin
philosopher
sargon of akkad
playwright
andrew lloyd webber
director
zack snyder
painter
adolf hitler
architect
pierce brosnan
rope yourself.
>favorite prophet
Jeremiah
>favorite composer
Brahms
>favorite poet
Dickinson
>favorite novelist
Beckett
>favorite philosopher
Kierkegaard
>favorite playwright
Euripides
>favorite director
Malick
>favorite painter
Asger Jorn
>favorite architect
Gaudi
zoroaster
xenakis
shelley
sterne
plotinus
shakespeare
lars von trier
agnes martin
Le Corbusier
i would say i am knowledgeable about religion, music and literature, but not about film, painting or architecture
agnes martin is great. have you read any of her writing, or transcripts of lectures?
i have read the book Writings, it was decent but i think her paintings are more effective at conveying most of the same ideas
good stuff. the subjects youre into you have great taste. zoroaster-xenakis is a crazy combo. I can just imagine listening to pithoprakta reading the Avesta
It's very funny that there are multiple people here who chose Yeshua as their favorite prophet, yet they still refer to him by his romanized name.
No it isn't. You must be very unfunny to think that.
>favorite prophet
Dostoyevsky
>favorite composer
Ludwig van Beethoven
>favorite poet
Marcellus Palingenius Stellatus
>favorite novelist
Dostoyevsky
>favorite philosopher
Otto Weininger
>favorite playwright
Ibsen
>favorite director
Mizoguchi
>favorite painter
Michelangelo
>favorite architect
Michelangelo
>are you patrician?
no
>favorite prophet
frick off
>favorite prophet
Kilgore Trout/ Cassandra
>favorite composer
Schubert, I guess?
>favorite poet
Elizabeth Bishop/ Carlos Drummond Andrade/ Lord George Byron
>favorite novelist
Virginia Woolf/ J.D. Salinger/ Ernesto Sabato
>favorite philosopher
Charles Baudelaire/ Fernando Pessoa/ Kafka/ Elias Canetti
>favorite playwright
Victor Hugo? Never read any of his plays though
>favorite director
Polanski/ Spike Jonze
>favorite painter
I don't know. Goya.
>favorite architect
The guy that designs the McDonalds buildings
Oh shit, you know what? I forgot aeschylus was a playwright and not a poet. I pick him. Also milton
>Prophet: Valentinus
>Composer: Wagner, Debussy, and Philip Glass
>Poet: William Blake and Walt Whitman
>Novelist: Melville
>Philosopher: Plato and Emerson
>Playwright: Shakespeare
>Director: Kubrick
>Painter: Francisco Goya
>Architect: Jean-Baptiste-Antoine Lassus
Idk why I'm doing this, because I usually find these threads to be a huge jerkoff. Whatever.
>John the Apostle
>Stockhausen
>Blake
>Melville
>Duns Scotus
>Shakespeare
>Tarkovsky
>Dalí
>Gaudí
A Far Rockaway of the Heart is better than A Coney Island of the Mind
There, I said it
Don’t have anything to add but wanted to give my opinion of Ferlinghetti itt
Brave anon, very brave. We support you in taking this stand.
I trust your judgement and will add Petersburg to the list! And yes I'm more than happy to read things that are outside of my worldview but obviously I'll inevitably be reading through a Christian lens which is how I approached Beckett anyway. I forgot to add that Shakespeare is also a favourite playwright of mine. I probably connected with Hamlet a little too much as a character when I first read the play.
As for Byzantine literature, I mostly read theology and as I understand, the Byzantines didn't write many plays and what not. Nevertheless, they liked satires such as Timarion by Lucian of Samosata where the protagonist goes to a Hades run by pagans. If you're after non-fiction there's also Synesius' speech "On Monarchy" where he seeks to advise Emperor Arcadius.
The Byzantines loved their histories and chronologies (autism I presume). You might be interested to know that Anna Komnene, the daughter of Alexios I, wrote an extended history of her father's reign called the "Alexiad" which is pretty unique.
If you're after a modern history of the Byzantine Empire you can't go past Warren Treadgold's tome.
k why not
>favorite prophet
Sikh Gurus
>favorite composer
Tchaikovsky
>favorite novelist
Dostoyevsky
>favorite philosopher
Schopenhauer
>favorite playwright
Chekhov
>favorite director
Kubrick/Fellini
>favorite painter
Thomas Cole/Goya
>favorite prophet
skip
>favorite composer
sibelius and holst
>favorite poet
eino leino
>favorite novelist
tolkien
>favorite philosopher
platon
>favorite playwright
aleksis kivi, I'm not that into playwright
>favorite director
lynch maybe, I really don't have a favourite one
>favorite painter
dali
>favorite architect
no favourites, I hate brutalism and all brutalist architects deserve slow and painful deaths
>favorite prophet
Jesus
>favorite composer
Brian Culbertson
>favorite poet
St John of the Cross
>favorite novelist
Brian Jaqués
>favorite philosopher
St Augustine
>favorite playwright
Albert Camus
>favorite director
Paul Verhoven
>favorite painter
Leonello Spada
>favorite architect
Idk I like classic renaissance and art deco styles
>karnes
him and bailey studied together. lovely painters. i picked fielding over shakespeare because he's more dear to my heart, and like you said, trying to have a bit of fun
>I see Racine praised to heaven so often by actual authors/critics, it's crazy how unknown he is here
The real OG that is most relevant to OP's question, although he's very much a writer's writer.
If you're Anglo, he was simply dismissed purely to not crush the ridiculous place of muh bard. Out of curiosity I checked wikipedia who can't avoid it:
>As Racine returned to prominence at home, his critics abroad remained hostile due mainly, Butler argues, to Francophobia. The British were especially damning, preferring Shakespeare and Sir Walter Scott to Racine, whom they dismissed as "didactic" and "commonplace."
>Prophet: Emanuel Swedenborg
>Composer: Jean Sibelius
>Poet: Erik Johan Stagnelius
>Novelist: Viktor Rydberg
>Philosopher: Sören Kierkegaard
>Playwright: August Strindberg
>Director: Ingmar Bergman
>Painter: John Bauer
>Architect: Alvar Aalto
>Sören
>ö
Yes?
NTA
Ø
Weak
self-awareness is good
Exactly, I suggest you learn it. Stop seething.
>Stop seething
stöp pröjecting
Ok Yeat
Daniel
Gustav Holst
Wordsworth
Emily Brontë
Epictetus
Not into plays
Impossible to say one, I like David Fincher
John Martin
Not into architecture
>favorite prophet
Jesus, son of man
>favorite composer
Sibelius
>favorite poet
Schiller
>favorite novelist
Hesse
>favorite philosopher
Yunua Emre
>favorite playwright
Goethe
>favorite director
Tarkovsky
>favorite painter
Hodler
>favorite architect
Ando
Nietzsche/Duke of Chou
Chopin
Whitman/Lautreamont/Rilke
Proust/Miller
Emerson/Nietzsche
O’Neill/Ibsen/Chekhov
Leone/Peckinpah
Van Eryk/Van Gogh/Velasquez
Van Campen/della Porta
>favorite prophet
John the Apostle
>favorite composer
Béla Bartok
>favorite poet
Edgar Allan Poe
>favorite novelist
Milan Kundera
>favorite philosopher
St. Thomas More
>favorite playwright
Aeschylus
>favorite director
Harmony Korine
>favorite painter
Carl Spitzweg
>favorite architect
Raphael
>favorite sculptor
Jesús F. Contreras
>favorite prophet
Baruch de Espinosa
>favorite composer
Frédéric Chopin
>favorite poet
José de Espronceda
>favorite novelist
Yukio Mishima
>favorite philosopher
Having a favorite philosopher means you aren't patrician enough for philosophy
>favorite playwright
Marat/Sade
>favorite director
Andrzej Żuławski
>favorite painter
Mohammad Zaza
>favorite architect
Anything that looks brutalist enough is good, so current IA.
Rev Jim Jones
Zdenek Liska
Geoffrey Chaucer
Marcel Proust
Diogenes
Yukio Mishima
Pier Paolo Pasolini
Renoir
Albert Speer
Jeremiah
Wagner
Clough
Melville
Plato
Tennyson
Herzog
Vedder
N/A
>What is your opinion on the Renaissance "schools" of Florence and Venice?
I admire both, though my sensibility lies more with the Tuscans, specially Pier della Francesca and Botticelli. I enjoy clarity, light traces, harmony of emotion. However, from time to time I also enjoy the more daring explorations of color and emotional rapture, that quasi-romantic feeling of being "submerged" in the sea-like colours of a Titian sky.
There is a reason why I picked many options in my answers: I cannot measure my preferences. Other than some obvious clarities, such as my preference for Botticelli over Rembrandt, or my preference for Dante over Shakespeare, it's all very much similar. Do I prefer Homer or Dante? I don't know. They are very different and there is not a day in my life in which I do not think of both.
I'm the opposite, very Dionysian, I love softness, melting, dissolution. Give me Venice, Rembrandt, Hals, Rococo, Impressionism, and above all Turner, every time. The ones like Da Vinci or Ingres or Vermeer who find ways to partake of both extremes are also fascinating. And I'm on the Shakespeare side of the Dante/Shakespeare question so the connection tracks. Homer transcends everything though, too pure to submit to distinction, too complete to admit any addition.
>favorite prophet
john the baptist
>favorite composer
debussy
>favorite poet
robert frost
>favorite novelist
ernest hemingway
>favorite philosopher
albert camus
>favorite playwright
arthur miller
>favorite director
michael bay
>favorite painter
rosetti
>favorite architect
hugh ferris/raymond hood
>favorite illustrator
alphonse mucha
idiotcore
michael bay is based, but rossetti is one of those painters that may photograph convincingly but does not at all hold up in person. weird chins
>Isaiah
>Wagner
>Tennyson
>Joyce
>Spengler or Spinoza
>Shakespeare
>I don't watch many movies
>Rembrandt
>Wright
>Jesus
>Rachmaninov
>Strniša
>Zupan
>Nietzsche
>the closest I get to theatre is Larry David
>Sorrentino
>Maria Mariani or Malevich
>Bofil
Blake
Schubert
Homer
Joyce
Whitehead
Idk
Tarantino
Repin
Idk
>Joyce
>Whitehead
>Tarantino
you must be insufferable irl
maybe but not in a pseudointellectual way more like just a sperg way
>favorite prophet: Daniel
>favorite composer: Monteverdi, Bach, Wagner, Mahler, Nono
>favorite poet: Lucretius, Dante and Donne
>favorite novelist: Kafka, Bulgakov and Bernhard
>favorite philosopher: Spinoza
>favorite playwright: Moliere and Ionescu
>favorite director: Tarkovsky, Visconti
>favorite painter: Botticelli, Vermeer, Munch
>favorite architect: Giuseppe Terragni and Group 7 in general
>favorite prophet
Moses
>favorite composer
Beethoven's 5th Symphony
>favorite poet
The Canterbury Tales author
>favorite novelist
Salmon Rushdie
>favorite philosopher
Marcus Aurelius or Socrates of Athens
>favorite playwright
Sarah Kane
>favorite director
Tough one! Early M Night Shyamalan or late Wes Craven
>favorite painter
Ugh, I can't even choose one.
prophet
Ludwig Wittgenstein
composer
Abdullah Ibrahim
poet
Sei Shõnagon
novelist
Ronnie O'Sullivan
philosopher
Bodhidharma
playwright
Karel Çapek
director
István Szabó
painter
Daniel Brusatin
architect
Imhotep
>favorite prophet
Don't care. John the Baptist, maybe?
>favorite composer
Avey Tare
>favorite poet
Seamus Heaney
>favorite novelist
Thomas Hardy
>favorite philosopher
Probably Nietzsche
>favorite playwright
William Shakespeare
>favorite director
Francis Ford Coppola
>favorite painter
Vilhelm Hammershøi
>favorite architect
I have no clue. Christopher Wren?
prophet
aleister crowley
concert
radio city music hall in the big apple
author
sanjay gupta
gang of new york
dead rabbits
calendar
firefighters or gregorian
philosopher
pig-headed pat or bigwig
porn star
mia khalifa
actor
mark wahlberg, above the law (1988)
For me, it’s the Forty Thieves
Classic & easily top 4 or 5 pour moi
I feel like an uncultured zoomer homosexual with a tiktok attention span but I cant get into poetry at all. I think its just completely gay and, most importantly, boring as frick. What am I missing?
I ignored poetry and hated it for like 10 years but I’ve changed my tune. I see it as making the mundane beautiful. Taking a simple phrase and making it a work of art. There is also philosophy underlying a lot of it
interested in any part of art?
try the ones most rooted in classical form and rhyme.
i find the other modernizations and the rest to really make it meaningless.
'Gefunden' by Goethe is quite a pleasant one. do read them aloud.
Im gonna try reading the Iliad. I dont really know if it can even be counted as poetry but I think it qualifies due to the fact how rhytmic its written.
>Isaiah
>Bach
>Goethe
>Dostoevsky
>unsure if theologians count, Aquinas
>none
>none
>Ilya Repin
>Pontelli
Whats the difference between a prophet and a philosopher tho? Is the prophet just the one who is acting on his philosophy?
Look at all the fricking posers in this thread. I bet you homies like to pretend to read Infinite Jest in public.
you're so far behind that even your stereotype image of them reveals your moronation.
dont read it then. its for those with love of language and for those who've suffered and are tired of all other forms of friendly-voiced narrators, essayists, writers etc. poeticisms speak to a compression of language, philosophers and poets are often in dialogue, a lot of times poets can compress images of philosophies with a mere phrase. try Celan.
>favorite prophet
Viktor Orbán
>favorite composer
Ferenc Liszt
>favorite poet
János Arany
>favorite novelist
Géza Csáth
>favorite philosopher
András László
>favorite playwright
Imre Madách
>favorite director
Zoltán Huszárik
>favorite painter
Tivadar Csontváry Kosztka
>favorite architect
Gábor Zoboki
>bringing out the hungarian form of Liszt's first name
>keeping it in the anglicized order
come on.
>prophet
Marshall Applewhite
>composer
Bowie
>poet
Bowie
>novelist
Dr. Seuss
>philosopher
Cryptic symbolism in my dreams
>playwright
Peggy Shaw
>director
Lynch
>painter
Basquiat
>architect
Whoever invented Brutalism and made all the chuds seethe
>favorite prophet
Terry Davis
>favorite composer
Chopin
>favorite poet
Elliot
>favorite novelist
Camus
>favorite philosopher
Kierkegaard
>favorite playwright
Sartre
>favorite director
Michael Bay
>favorite painter
De Goya
>favorite architect
None buildings are stupid
>are you patrician?
yes
>favorite prophet Isaiah
>favorite composer Ludwig van Beethoven
>favorite poet PB Shelley
>favorite novelist Jane Austen
>favorite philosopher René Descartes
>favorite playwright Euripedes
>favorite director James Cameron
>favorite painter Raphael
>favorite architect Philibert de l'Orme
people who couldn't make up their mind have been ignored
Eliot, 4
Goethe, 3
Poe, 3
Dickinson, 3
Tennyson, 3
Blake, 3
Neruda, 2
Pound, 2
Cummings, 2
Dante, 2
Baudelaire, 2
Homer, 2
Shelley, 2
Chaucer, 2
Dostoevsky, 7
Mishima, 5
Melville, 4
Nabokov, 3
Tolkien, 3
Joyce, 3
Proust, 2
Hesse, 2
Hemingway, 2
Pynchon, 2
McCarthy, 2
Conrad, 2
Gogol, 2
Shakespeare, 33
Beckett, 5
Sophocles, 4
Aeschylus, 4
Chekhov, 3
Ibsen, 2
Wagner, 2
Euripides, 2
making Shakespeare IQfy's only indisputable GOAT
Why when dostoevsky is popular everyone realizes it’s just because it’s baby’s first book, but when melville and shakespeare are popular everyone jerks themselves over it?
>none
>Michael Cashmore
>Yeats
>none, I like short stories, so Lovecraft or Borges
>Aristotle
>Barton Fink
>David Lynch
>Francis Bacon
>Speer
>favorite composer: Brahms
That's it
Brahms is peak incel creativity. For some reason he channeled his thwarted lust into incredibly beautiful music.
>incel
He fricked Clara Schumann probably in front of Schumann himself.
>prophet
Trismegistus and Dōgen
>composer
Bach and Schubert
>poet
The metaphysical poets (including Schiller) and Pound
>novelist
Nabokov, Borges, Gene Wolfe
>philosopher
Plotinus, Proclus Diadochi, Schopenhauer despite his flaws
>playwright
Shakespeare
>director
Kurosawa, Tarkovsky, Ozu, Visconti
>painter
Michelangelo for his sketches, Roerich, Andrew Wyeth
>architect
Ictinos and Callicrates
Jesus Christ
Lizst
Percy shelly
Nabokov
Albert Camus
Shakespeare
Quentin Tarantino
Van gogh
Frank Giehry
prophet
Spinoza
composer
Chopin
poet
Elliot
novelist
Dostoyevski
philosopher
Foucault
playwright
Tenessee
director
Von Trier
painter
Julio Galán
architect
Nah
>favorite prophet
Muhammad saww, Christ as
>favorite composer
Bach, Shostakovich
>favorite poet
Nizar Qabbani
>favorite novelist
Kafka
>favorite philosopher
Einstein and Wittgenstein
>favorite playwright
Beckett?
>favorite director
Kubrick
>favorite painter
Goya, Beksinski
>favorite architect
Don't have one