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they say don't judge a book by it's cover but the inferior ones always look gaudy.
The reason you may choose a generalised introduction or modern technique book is that there are different parts to the field: the deeplore and history of the classical and renaissance art of memory tradition (especially Giardano Bruno), the actual techniques themselves (a synthesis of modern and traditional), and also the contemporary memory championship and education scene. Some books will focus on the deeplore and history of Bruno, but as an introduction you may benefit more from a modern technique book that leaps straight into teaching a wide range of memory techniques, and from there cultivate an interest to explore the history of the field.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You may know yourself what entry to the art of memory will best suit you, but as an example I was trying to explain the art of memory to a medical student complaining about rote memorisation for exam prep who would benefit from it, and starting with 'read this book about the history of a woo-woo Renaissance heretic' would have lost them.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>but as an example I was trying to explain the art of memory to a medical student complaining about rote memorisation for exam prep who would benefit from it, and starting with 'read this book about the history of a woo-woo Renaissance heretic' would have lost them.
how about you post what you told them here?
2 months ago
Anonymous
I have, follow the reply chain.
2 months ago
Anonymous
so just start with remember it! or the art of memory then if I find memorization lore to be interesting read giordano?
2 months ago
Anonymous
'Remember It' is a good modern technique book (amongst others). 'Moonwalking with Einstein' is a good general reader introduction to the field and the contemporary memory scene. 'The Art of Memory' is an excellent study of Bruno and the classical/renaissance AoM. Bruno himself is primary material.
She's a medieval and renaissance historian with specialization in Western esotericism and secret societies.
The memory systems she describes in this book are those used as templates by Thomas Harris when describing Hannibal Lecter's memory palace system. I used her memory palace system in high school to memory crazy amounts of shit and it got to the point I could just wander through the museum I built in my head (based on my state's Institute of Art) and wander through memories and books I'd stored.
>I used her memory palace system in high school to memory crazy amounts of shit and it got to the point I could just wander through the museum I built in my head (based on my state's Institute of Art) and wander through memories and books I'd stored.
That's intriguing, anon. It sounds like you stopped using it; why?
Honestly, I have a pretty decent memory for things I care about already, and most of the fields I have an interest in favor the ability to synthesize information more than the ability to retain it by rote. When I want I can still walk through those rooms, and pick up the memories and books I've left there, so the capacity hasn't left me, but the physical tools we have for retaining personal information are so rich now that I can't find much reason to use these techniques outside of amusement.
Of course, all minds are different, and I have friends from college who still use the technique to organize projects, remember theorists, etc.
Yes, I suppose it favours certain kinds of information. Thank you, anon!
The first reason I'm interested is that I recently began medical school (outside of the US), and I'm trying to find more efficient ways to ingest and recall information. The second I share with
Why do you anons memorize? I use memory palaces for poetry, philosophy, and so on, but mostly it’s for giving form to my metaphysical worldview
, in that I wish to better retain poems and passages I enjoy. I've found that poetry is enhanced by memorisation, but I can't quite say why. I suppose it's a way to internalise it better.
not really. but if you want to fit more in the same space, you will need an HD imagination. For example, in Bruno's more advanced loci, instead of fitting 1 thing per "wall" in a room, you section each wall into 4, thereby going from a room storing 4 things to 16.
It doesn't require very detailed memory. It's based around memorizing architecture from the inside, then placing roughly imagined objects in that architecture that cue the memory of some piece of information. So, say you want to remember that Hegel had something called the "world spirit." Picture your apartment, house, whatever. Picture the space just to your left when you walk in the front door. Now imagine sitting there is someone haggling (for Hegel). Now, imagine there's a ghost holding a globe sneaking up behind them. All broad images, even silly, but you've got "Hegel" and "world spirit," and if you organize this image relative in sequence to other areas, like the space just to your right when you walk in, just up the stairs, etc., then you're able to retain sequence as well. You can also make an entire building cue to the development of a single thinker, where the sequence corresponds to the development of their thought through their writing history. To connect these, you can also have doors in whatever architecture you've chosen lead into other buildings. I used to have my parents' bedroom door open in the Museum, then the museum's giftshop door open into my old church to further expand.
If you can roughly picture walking through a building interior and picture a striking image with a few obvious features, you can probably take advantage of the system.
Good post, but.. >Now imagine sitting there is someone haggling (for Hegel).
You could just imagine Hegel himself
2 months ago
Anonymous
I literally used to picture their faces before I realized I had a shit memory for names and couldn't remember their name just from the face.
Of course, if you have a strong automatic association formed between name and face, you an just picture them as characters engaged in tableaus keyed to their philosophy, which is an effort-saver.
Do I need a big memory palace for it? Only area I'd say I know with absolute certainty the nuances of is my childhood home; it's only got three bedrooms, one bath, and a shed though.
I'm training myself to remember the plots of each fable in Ovid's Metamorphoses Book 1, in order. Nothing too detailed. I just need to dust off the cobwebs. I used to be able to memorize each card in a deck and the order in which I drew them.
anyone else subconsciously associate thoughts or readings with random maps/levels from videogames they played many years ago? like i'll be reading some dense text and only later realize that as i was reading, i was traversing some quake3 or thps map in my mind at the same time..
Mystic Ark by Hugh of Saint Victor
Also i recommend you have an understanding of Christian-Platonic thinking, Augustinian Divine Illumination, and have a reason for learning the art of memory related to Christianity and not just for fun
I had a good one but I forgor
compare these two books:
they say don't judge a book by it's cover but the inferior ones always look gaudy.
Dude just remember it
In all seriousness though start with a modern overview book like
>foreword by Dr. Pranjeet Poodoo
Dropped.
The reason you may choose a generalised introduction or modern technique book is that there are different parts to the field: the deeplore and history of the classical and renaissance art of memory tradition (especially Giardano Bruno), the actual techniques themselves (a synthesis of modern and traditional), and also the contemporary memory championship and education scene. Some books will focus on the deeplore and history of Bruno, but as an introduction you may benefit more from a modern technique book that leaps straight into teaching a wide range of memory techniques, and from there cultivate an interest to explore the history of the field.
You may know yourself what entry to the art of memory will best suit you, but as an example I was trying to explain the art of memory to a medical student complaining about rote memorisation for exam prep who would benefit from it, and starting with 'read this book about the history of a woo-woo Renaissance heretic' would have lost them.
>but as an example I was trying to explain the art of memory to a medical student complaining about rote memorisation for exam prep who would benefit from it, and starting with 'read this book about the history of a woo-woo Renaissance heretic' would have lost them.
how about you post what you told them here?
I have, follow the reply chain.
so just start with remember it! or the art of memory then if I find memorization lore to be interesting read giordano?
'Remember It' is a good modern technique book (amongst others). 'Moonwalking with Einstein' is a good general reader introduction to the field and the contemporary memory scene. 'The Art of Memory' is an excellent study of Bruno and the classical/renaissance AoM. Bruno himself is primary material.
start with this guys books or videos if you are an absolute beginner https://www.youtube.com/@AnthonyMetivierMMM
once you have the simple system down, move on to the more advanced. skip the hylic professor commentaries.
to be honest this guy videos are very long without delivering much
>le shocker
>Art of Memory, Francis Yates
These
anki
instead of rooms in a house in my memory palace, I use different IQfy boards
The Art of Memory by Frances Yates.
She's a medieval and renaissance historian with specialization in Western esotericism and secret societies.
The memory systems she describes in this book are those used as templates by Thomas Harris when describing Hannibal Lecter's memory palace system. I used her memory palace system in high school to memory crazy amounts of shit and it got to the point I could just wander through the museum I built in my head (based on my state's Institute of Art) and wander through memories and books I'd stored.
Real shit, historically based.
>I used her memory palace system in high school to memory crazy amounts of shit and it got to the point I could just wander through the museum I built in my head (based on my state's Institute of Art) and wander through memories and books I'd stored.
That's intriguing, anon. It sounds like you stopped using it; why?
Honestly, I have a pretty decent memory for things I care about already, and most of the fields I have an interest in favor the ability to synthesize information more than the ability to retain it by rote. When I want I can still walk through those rooms, and pick up the memories and books I've left there, so the capacity hasn't left me, but the physical tools we have for retaining personal information are so rich now that I can't find much reason to use these techniques outside of amusement.
Of course, all minds are different, and I have friends from college who still use the technique to organize projects, remember theorists, etc.
Yes, I suppose it favours certain kinds of information. Thank you, anon!
The first reason I'm interested is that I recently began medical school (outside of the US), and I'm trying to find more efficient ways to ingest and recall information. The second I share with
, in that I wish to better retain poems and passages I enjoy. I've found that poetry is enhanced by memorisation, but I can't quite say why. I suppose it's a way to internalise it better.
based memorywanderer
iirc professional poker players use similar techniques
Do you need a particularly strong imagination for it? Or can you be like in the middle of the "visualize an apple" scale and successfully use it?
not really. but if you want to fit more in the same space, you will need an HD imagination. For example, in Bruno's more advanced loci, instead of fitting 1 thing per "wall" in a room, you section each wall into 4, thereby going from a room storing 4 things to 16.
It doesn't require very detailed memory. It's based around memorizing architecture from the inside, then placing roughly imagined objects in that architecture that cue the memory of some piece of information. So, say you want to remember that Hegel had something called the "world spirit." Picture your apartment, house, whatever. Picture the space just to your left when you walk in the front door. Now imagine sitting there is someone haggling (for Hegel). Now, imagine there's a ghost holding a globe sneaking up behind them. All broad images, even silly, but you've got "Hegel" and "world spirit," and if you organize this image relative in sequence to other areas, like the space just to your right when you walk in, just up the stairs, etc., then you're able to retain sequence as well. You can also make an entire building cue to the development of a single thinker, where the sequence corresponds to the development of their thought through their writing history. To connect these, you can also have doors in whatever architecture you've chosen lead into other buildings. I used to have my parents' bedroom door open in the Museum, then the museum's giftshop door open into my old church to further expand.
If you can roughly picture walking through a building interior and picture a striking image with a few obvious features, you can probably take advantage of the system.
Good post, but..
>Now imagine sitting there is someone haggling (for Hegel).
You could just imagine Hegel himself
I literally used to picture their faces before I realized I had a shit memory for names and couldn't remember their name just from the face.
Of course, if you have a strong automatic association formed between name and face, you an just picture them as characters engaged in tableaus keyed to their philosophy, which is an effort-saver.
Do I need a big memory palace for it? Only area I'd say I know with absolute certainty the nuances of is my childhood home; it's only got three bedrooms, one bath, and a shed though.
Why do you anons memorize? I use memory palaces for poetry, philosophy, and so on, but mostly it’s for giving form to my metaphysical worldview
I'm training myself to remember the plots of each fable in Ovid's Metamorphoses Book 1, in order. Nothing too detailed. I just need to dust off the cobwebs. I used to be able to memorize each card in a deck and the order in which I drew them.
anyone else subconsciously associate thoughts or readings with random maps/levels from videogames they played many years ago? like i'll be reading some dense text and only later realize that as i was reading, i was traversing some quake3 or thps map in my mind at the same time..
I'm thinking of using places from Skyrim. Will report back.
I don't think you'll have much success using linear hallways
I have the layouts of villages already memorized from playing so much. Some houses too.
Mystic Ark by Hugh of Saint Victor
Also i recommend you have an understanding of Christian-Platonic thinking, Augustinian Divine Illumination, and have a reason for learning the art of memory related to Christianity and not just for fun