its arabic cultural soft power.
in pakistan, they see gulf arabs the same way american protestants see israelites, as some kind of sacred cows to brownnose,
>If you believe otherwise you are not Muslim
O people, your Lord is one and your father Adam is one. There is no favor of an Arab over a foreigner, nor a foreigner over an Arab, and neither white skin over black skin, nor black skin over white skin, except by righteousness. Have I not delivered the message? Source: Musnad Aḥmad 22978, Grade: Sahih
Another principle that is established in the Prophet’s Sunnah is that the Arabs are superior to other races, because Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, chose the Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) from among the Arabs and He made the Qur’an – which is His eternal message – Arabic. Ahl as-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa‘ah are unanimously agreed on the superiority of the Arabs over other races and peoples.
But there is no contradiction between the two principles mentioned above.
The superiority of the Arabs is the superiority of a race, not superiority of individuals. A pious and righteous non-Arab is better than an Arab who falls short with regard to the rights of Allah, may He be exalted. The superiority of the Arabs is but a choice from Allah, may He be exalted, the wisdom of which may or may not be clear to us. However among the Arabs there are some attributes and characteristics that point to this superiority.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
The superiority of one group over another does not necessarily mean that every individual (of the former group) is superior to every individual (of the latter group). Among the non-Arabs there are many people who are better than most of the Arabs; among tribes other than Quraysh among the Muhaajireen and Ansaar there were people who were better than most of Quraysh; among clans other than Banu Haashim and among tribes other than Quraysh there were people who were better than most of Banu Haashim. End quote.
Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa, 19/29-30
2 months ago
Anonymous
Ibn Taymiyya (Allah have mercy on him) clarifies his opinion and gives a reason (also acknowledging, “Allah Most High knows best”) that is: because they were the very first models of Islam and the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) was from amongst them in lineage and descent, having brought faith in Him, having beneficial knowledge, righteousness, and of high spiritual excellence. It was not because of them being an Arab, or foreigner, with black or white skin, or residing in the city or countryside. [Ibn Taymiyya, Iqtida’ al-Sirat al-Mustaqim Li Mukhalafat Ashab al-Jahim]
2 months ago
Anonymous
>thinks pseudosalafiqa is the standard of truth for muslims, especially when it contradicts the last sermon
It is removed I wonder why... maybe he realized his mistake. Anyway reading through it his evidence is rather poor and opinionated. >a people are blessed because they've had a Prophet sent to them first >the companions and ahl al-bayt are the best people and they were Arab
yeah no shit that was never denied, similar blessings happened before with the Israelites
"O Children of Israel! Remember ˹all˺ the favours I granted you and how I honoured you above the others." - Quran 2:47
"Allah reminds the Children of Israel of the favors that He granted their fathers and grandfathers, how He showed preference to them by sending them Messengers from among them and revealing Books to them, more so than any of the other previous nations..." - Ibn Kathir >This refers to reasoning which is connected to memorisation and understanding, coupled with the ability to express oneself clearly. The Arabs have better understanding than others, and stronger memories >The natural instinct of the Arabs is more inclined towards good than other peoples’, and they are closer to characteristics of generosity, forbearance, courage, sincerity and other praiseworthy characteristics.
Where the frick did the get this from? Anyways in 182686 where he references this removed article he writes this:
"Therefore an Arab Muslim cannot be superior to a non-Arab Muslim just because he is an Arab. Rather superiority is based on taqwa (piety, mindfulness of Allah). So whoever is more mindful of Allah and obedient to Him is better than his counterpart, regardless of whether he is an Arab or a non-Arab.
So the fact that you are not fully Arab does not mean that you are less than one who is fully Arab in terms of virtue and status simply because of that. As is clear from what we have mentioned above, the real standard is faith and righteous deeds."
2 months ago
Anonymous
Mutt Arabs are lesser to full blooded Arabs. Saudi Arabia's official immigration policy does not allow impure non-Gulf Arabs to obtain citizenship and the same is true for most Gulf Arab states.
Only Gulf Arabs are considered pure Arabs who blessed the world with Islam. Non-Arabs are lesser slaves, especially the rape babies of superior pure blooded Arab men.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Saudi Arabia's official immigration policy does not allow impure non-Gulf Arabs to obtain citizenship
nothing to do with islam so it's irrelevant and anyway https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230319-saudi-arabia-amends-citizenship-laws-to-include-foreign-nationals/
2 months ago
Anonymous
You will never be Arab, you are a slave.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I am Arab with saudi ancestry you fricking moron
2 months ago
Anonymous
Why do you think quoting verses (the theory of islam) will change observable reality (the practice of islam)? Anyone can SEE that islam is arab supremacy, it's everywhere in islam. This is like someone saying the sky isn't blue.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>the practice of islam >they aren't even from the 3 favored generations >they contradict the prophet's own words
I don't care what random racists are doing it's not my religion.
Pakis are just Muslim Saars with a dash of Iranoids, with Islam being the only thing actually holding them together. Remove that religion out of equation and that ridiculous fake "country" loses any reason to exist and balkanizes into Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan etc. Deep down even the Pakis themselves know this, which is why they try to be as Muslim(and therefore as Arab) as possible to keep things (barely) running.
The blame lies in Salafism. It's Muslim Protestantism, and like its Christian cousin it burnt the religion into a husk. Endless, relentless extremism burns people out.
This. Any time anyone attempts to integrate Islam into their life there’s some Salafi moron spouting off about how they’re not doing the sunnah enough.
This. Any time anyone attempts to integrate Islam into their life there’s some Salafi moron spouting off about how they’re not doing the sunnah enough.
If you aren't taking it seriously, then why bother?
I take my body's need for water seriously, but that doesn't mean I should drown myself.
Even in Islamic tradition there are warnings about becoming too extreme:
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1066a >I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) as saying: There would arise at the end of the age a people who would be young in age and immature in thought, but they would talk (in such a manner) as if their words are the best among the creatures. They would recite the Qur'an, but it would not go beyond their throats, and they would pass through the religion as an arrow goes through the prey. >they would pass through the religion as an arrow goes through the prey.
Go too deep into religion and you'll come out the other side. ISIS is the perfect example.
Islam is already on it's last legs. Just like Christianity it tried to fight secular liberal societies and lost badly. I can remember reading somewhere that the younger generation coming up in the ME is abandoning Islam at the highest rate ever seen. The only hardline Muslims left are either completely crazy or just CIA plants.
>that the younger generation coming up in the ME is abandoning Islam at the highest rate ever seen
That has reverted in the past 2 years Islam is back with Arab zoomers
Was in Istanbul a few days ago. On train. Kids look like any westerners. An older lady comes in, mostly covered like a proper muslim, starts waving finger and cussing at young girls with no scarfs. Kids take out headphoens and tell granny to take her meds.
Then they grow up and become religious as mortality becomes more and more apparent with each passing day. But anyway Turks are known for their worship of Europeans and have striven to emulate them since before the days of Ataturk
Islam was functionally Judaism for Arabs originally. Persians turned it into a proselytizing religion. A lot of Arabs secretly still see it as an ethnic religion.
Wait is this actually true? How did they convert the Persians if it was originally only for Arabs?
Another question, did the Persians lose their identity and culture by becoming Muslim or not? What about Indonesia?
Judaism used to also convert people but it's still a racialist and ethnocentric religion. The umayyad caliphate you could say was arab supremacist and oppressed non-arabs until they were overthrone by the abbasids who were more tolerant towards non-arab muslims.
Maybe Muhammad really just wanted something like judaism for arabs or judaism for all semites (this would explain why he could conquer syria so easily) but over time it became civic nationalist.
Islam was meant for all nations, not just arabs or semites. The umayyad policy of arab supremacy was ironically unislamic.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Islam was meant for all nations, not just arabs or semites. The umayyad policy of arab supremacy was ironically unislamic.
Are you sure about this?
Maybe the whole islam was meant for all nations thing came later during the abbasids?
2 months ago
Anonymous
The quran is clearly addressed to all mankind, not a particular group of people.
2 months ago
Anonymous
The quran is clearly addressed to arabs, because people living in Norway would starve to death during ramadan. The quran is clearly addressed to arabs because your dua has to be in arabic or it's batil. The quran is clearly addressed to arabs because paradise has all of the foods and climates only an arab living in the 7th century would want.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>people living in Norway would starve to death during ramadan.
Muslims manage.
>your dua has to be in arabic or it's batil
Not according to the quran.
>because paradise has all of the foods and climates only an arab living in the 7th century would want
Flat out false.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>paradise has a climate setting
Truly the peak of Christian intellectualism
2 months ago
Anonymous
>paradise only mentions things a 7th century arab would want
The state of Muslim apologia
>people living in Norway would starve to death during ramadan.
Muslims manage.
>your dua has to be in arabic or it's batil
Not according to the quran.
>because paradise has all of the foods and climates only an arab living in the 7th century would want
Flat out false.
>Not according to the quran.
Without Hadith you wouldn't even know how many rakats to pray, Quranist
2 months ago
Anonymous
>because people living in Norway would starve to death during ramadan
Aren't there some Muslims in cold climates, like Tatars?
2 months ago
Anonymous
people have fasted and prayed in space going round the planet in ~90 minutes, guess what there are principles that guide new rulings >addresses mankind and non-arabs explicitly >b-but it's not actually valid because learning a language is impossible!
lmao >paradise has all of the foods and climates only an arab living in the 7th century would want
...“If Allah admits you into Paradise, you will have therein whatever your soul desires and pleases your eyes.” -Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2543 also pretty sure nothing compares with the beatific vision
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2543
Doesn't sound like the Quran anon
>people have fasted and prayed in space going round the planet in ~90 minutes, guess what there are principles that guide new rulings
So Islam will also go gay like modern Christianity at some point
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Doesn't sound like the Quran anon
"We are your supporters in this worldly life and in the Hereafter. There you will have whatever your souls desire, and there you will have whatever you ask for"- Quran 41:31 >So Islam will also go gay like modern Christianity at some point
Christianity is that way because they have abandoned the law not because they have principles. But even amongst their ranks there are many who are very true to their faith
[...]
Judaism used to also convert people but it's still a racialist and ethnocentric religion. The umayyad caliphate you could say was arab supremacist and oppressed non-arabs until they were overthrone by the abbasids who were more tolerant towards non-arab muslims.
Maybe Muhammad really just wanted something like judaism for arabs or judaism for all semites (this would explain why he could conquer syria so easily) but over time it became civic nationalist.
Islam was meant for all nations, not just arabs or semites. The umayyad policy of arab supremacy was ironically unislamic.
>Islam was meant for all nations, not just arabs or semites. The umayyad policy of arab supremacy was ironically unislamic.
Are you sure about this?
Maybe the whole islam was meant for all nations thing came later during the abbasids?
The quran is clearly addressed to all mankind, not a particular group of people.
The quran is clearly addressed to arabs, because people living in Norway would starve to death during ramadan. The quran is clearly addressed to arabs because your dua has to be in arabic or it's batil. The quran is clearly addressed to arabs because paradise has all of the foods and climates only an arab living in the 7th century would want.
From the extremellt scarse sources we have on the early islamic expansion by contemporaney christian-byzantine sources, Muhammad was some sort self proclaimed king that wanted to unite the people descendants of Abraham: arabs (from Ismail) and israelites (from Isaac).
Their goal initial was to reclaim the Promised Land. Then they got greedy and expanded elswehere.
Ummayad kept the original idea of Islam being a reformed Judaism esclusive to Arab/jews. Then the crypto-persians took power with the help of the non-semitic converts and in return opened the conversion to everyone.
okay and? salah involves the recitation of revelation which can never be perfectly translated. Outside of them you can use your language just fine for prayers
2 months ago
Anonymous
this is moronic
2 months ago
Anonymous
That is not an argument. muslims believe their scripture is the direct word of God and will not disrespect it by inserting the opinion of some translator in its place. In the muslim world you can't even buy a copy of a translation unless it also has the arabic beside it,
2 months ago
Anonymous
>That is not an argument
yes it is >muslims believe their scripture is the direct word of God and will not disrespect it by inserting the opinion of some translator in its place
muslims are moronic, there is 26 arabic versions of Q-ran
2 months ago
Anonymous
>more non arguments
you're boring, you have conceded your claim with this stupidity >actually thinks knowledge of the ahruf and qira'at are new things to us
kek, people who memorize the books specialize in one or multiple of them and they all have independent chains of narration to the prophet, the scripture to back it up and hadith telling us about them and why they exist
2 months ago
Anonymous
oh so you have no arguments then
you are moronic
2 months ago
Anonymous
don't forget to take your medicine
2 months ago
Anonymous
i drink camel urine like prophet muhammad told me. it helps for when you have fever dreams of donkeys flying you over jerusalem
2 months ago
Anonymous
is this all you are capable of?
2 months ago
Anonymous
we all know who the real degenerate is.
camel urine is not enough. mimi hijab is all about them golden showers.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>still mad after such a long time
Get over it already. People get humiliated in debates, especially those that can't form coherent arguments. You should be familiar with that
2 months ago
Anonymous
>taking a trip to israel is worse than taking golden showers
only a uro would think that.
golden showers are the leather straps of your fetish
2 months ago
Anonymous
what's bad is being a lapdog for a people that won't even acknowledge your worship of them >golden showers >leather straps
are you sure you're on the right board?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>what's bad is being a lapdog for a people that won't even acknowledge your worship of them
are you sure you're on the right board?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>there is only one Quran, there are no different versions >ok there are qiraat but we never denied they existed >ok they are different versions but the differences are meaningless >ok they sometimes mean different things but they don't contradict each other >ok they sometimes contradict each other but we can reconcile them >ok there are tons of non-canonical variants but we decided they aren't canonical >ok even the main variants have their own subvariants but that's ok, the Quran is still perfectly preserved >ok the guy that preserved the most used variant in the world was accused of being a liar but that's ok because Allah controls everything
2 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody said they had to mean the same things or that people couldn't recite half the book in one style and the rest in another. All that matters is that they can be traced back to the prophet and you can cope as much as you want about it. Compare that to a book where random people decide which letter they found to include or not with other anonymously sourced works. You get comedy gold like "When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments." - 2 Timothy 4:13 What's next? a shopping list too?
2 months ago
Anonymous
You don't get to criticize the Bible when your own syriac lectionary insists numerous times it's authentic. >You get comedy gold like "When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments."
You can find your "comedy gold" in the Quran. >ackshually God himself married Muh to Zaynab, so that you'd understand you can marry the wives of your adopted sons, because this was such an important topic for the Lord of the Universe to reveal in his smallest book >equally important was the minutiae of idol worshippers' animal sacrifices >so was advising people to not bother Muh at his house, and also his sexual privileges, and how he need not fear two girls because the entire universe will come to his rescue against them, and how his uncle gets a whole surah to curse him, and how "God" was eager to tell the romance story of Alexander the Great, yet didn't know what to say when asked about the soul
Comedy gold.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Nah the bible is not authentic, your christian missionary meme will never work. Besides it's Christian scholars criticizing their own book lmao. Which one specifically even? The major denominations do not agree on which books are valid and then you've got shit like kjv only Christians. >God shouldn't give detailed rules to guide his people, especially those in the past! >instead he should reveal things beyond the comprehension of human beings
Just because you've abandoned the laws doesn't mean everyone else should have done the same. >“If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.”
totally not specific at all!
2 months ago
Anonymous
>God shouldn't give detailed rules to guide his people, especially those in the past!
You mean, like, detailed rules to tell people not to rape, not to invade nations, not to torture people, not to have sex with prepubescent children, or how to actually clean your ass and wash your hands with soap, or how you shouldn't marry your first cousin because your kids will be morons? That kind of rules? Or do you mean the kind of rules that make no sense, like harming your body by missing sleep or eating at night? Or the non-detailed rules for salat that lead to muslims disagreeing about their minutiae? >Nah the bible is not authentic
The Quran absolutely says the Bible is authentic, it's not even up for debate you literally just have to read what your book says, you can seethe about it until your leather straps pop out.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>rules to tell people to rape, to invade nations, to torture people, to have sex with prepubescent children
those are straight up biblical commandments >cleanliness rules
you can be ignorant of them on purpose if you wish >like harming your body
aren't you supposed to cut off your dick? meanwhile intermittent fasting is beneficial and so is making people follow natural sleeping patterns >The Quran absolutely says the Bible is authentic
Oh yes definitely that's why you see all the imams cite biblical passages during prayer, absolutely delusional.
There's a difference between revealing things beyond the comprehension of human beings, and literally coping out when asked about the soul. The cave demon could have said many things understandable by man, but he said basically nothing at all (while promising elsewhere that he'd clarify things when asked about stuff).
We are told many things about the soul though, from what happens to it when it dies to how predestination works in tandem with free will. So your point is invalid. You know what would actually be important a clear indication that God is a triune being. It was so bad they had to make up the Johannine Comma kek
2 months ago
Anonymous
>aren't you supposed to cut off your dick >Muslim mocking anyone for being circumcised despite it being a requirement in Islam
Also circumcision isn't required in Christianity >intermittent fasting is beneficial
Ramadan fasting is nothing like actual intermittent fasting since as many people have pointed out lots of people game the system by just gorging themselves at night also there have been various stories of people passing out due to lack of water
2 months ago
Anonymous
Not circumcision you moron, becoming a eunuch >circumcision isn't required in Christianity
Just because a guy who never met Jesus said so? Even Salafis do it to keep Abraham's covenant >game the system
They are recommended to eat in moderation, it's their problem for not following the Sunnah. >passing out from not even a day of restricting water
You do realize the first muslims lived in a desert climate right? It was harder for them than anyone else. And if they have health problems they simply shouldn't fast. You've just reminded me to drink btw
>those are straight up biblical commandments
Nice whataboutism moron. >you can be ignorant of them on purpose if you wish
Like muslims? No thank you. >intermittent fasting is beneficial
Yes, and is eating at night beneficial? No it's fricking not. >so is making people follow natural sleeping patterns
Which islam opposes by insisting prayer is more important than sleep. >the imams
Follow the sheikhs and ulemas, and those are among the biggest liars in the history of the world. >You know what would actually be important a clear indication that God is a triune being
Seeing as Allah says to not say "three" instead of saying to not say "triune", and treats the Spirit and Word as if it were part of him... >kek
Is the name of an ancient egyptian idol. You've just annoyed your cave demon by mentioning another idol.
not whataboutism at all because it's only biblical >eating at night
perfectly fine if you don't do it near bedtime >islam opposes
You aren't required to stay the entire night awake just wake up at proper times like before sunrise >the biggest liars in the history of the world
Says the guy lying through his teeth. You get all your "arguments" from a bunch of youtubers. I know them very well and you are just a boring parrot repeating word for word their bullshit. >Christians don't say God has "three" persons, which are all 100% God too
You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! -James 2:19 >annoyed
For the Lord your God in your midst is a jealous God—lest the anger of the Lord your God be kindled against you, and he destroy you from off the face of the earth. - Deuteronomy 6:15
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I know them very well and you are just a boring parrot repeating word for word their bullshit.
The only words I'm repeating for this topic are those of the Quran, you wouldn't know because you read it with blinkers on. You are the liar. >You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! -James 2:19
How ironic that a muslim would quote this and not understand how this demolishes the entire islamic way of life.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>The only words I'm repeating for this topic
First off, what topic? You jump all over the place flinging shit hoping that something sticks. And you never defend a point for long because you yourself know it's low quality mindless spam. Look at this thread even it's about a dragonball park opening in KSA and you unleashed your entire repertoire here? >this demolishes the entire islamic way of life
That demons are better than Christians according to that verse?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>First off, what topic?
Hello goldfish. The topic is the verifiable, objective fact that the Quran says the Bible is authentic. >That demons are better than Christians according to that verse?
Gosh you're such a moron. Anything goes in islam as long as you believe in one god, you think monotheism is a get-out-of-jail free card. The verse exposes the islamic worldview for the lazy, childish cope it is. God doesn't care if you're monotheists if you act like pieces of shit, which most muslims do simply by promoting the stinking pile of evil that is islam.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Hello goldfish.
Says the guy who doesn't stick to the topic he is supposedly trying to prove. >thinks islam is like Christianity where belief that Jesus died for your sins is the "get-out-of-jail free card" >thinks that salvation isn't ultimately due to God's mercy
2 months ago
Anonymous
>those are straight up biblical commandments
Nice whataboutism moron. >you can be ignorant of them on purpose if you wish
Like muslims? No thank you. >intermittent fasting is beneficial
Yes, and is eating at night beneficial? No it's fricking not. >so is making people follow natural sleeping patterns
Which islam opposes by insisting prayer is more important than sleep. >the imams
Follow the sheikhs and ulemas, and those are among the biggest liars in the history of the world. >You know what would actually be important a clear indication that God is a triune being
Seeing as Allah says to not say "three" instead of saying to not say "triune", and treats the Spirit and Word as if it were part of him... >kek
Is the name of an ancient egyptian idol. You've just annoyed your cave demon by mentioning another idol.
2 months ago
Anonymous
There's a difference between revealing things beyond the comprehension of human beings, and literally coping out when asked about the soul. The cave demon could have said many things understandable by man, but he said basically nothing at all (while promising elsewhere that he'd clarify things when asked about stuff).
Arabic is a liturgical language, like latin or syriac. It got abandoned as a lingua franca about 600 years ago in the muslim world for the more dynamic persian (with new persian itself being heavily influenced by arabic and other languages) which itself spawned other national languages like ottoman turkish and urdu. That aside there was an early opinion that you could pray in a translated language until you could learn the recitation in arabic. Arabocentrism is cope by irrelevant arabs.
Idk somwhere in 90s maybe 80s. Although I suppose it's a gradual change and even now not everybody is fully post modern.
2 months ago
Anonymous
So how would you define post modernism?
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's complicated but If I had to specify the core elements I would say that it's that rejection of objectivity, rationalism, utilitarianism, intirinsic value of tradition and nationalism. As well as embrace of pacifism, and hyper individualism.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>hyper individualism.
most post modernist defend collectivist systems and frameworks
2 months ago
Anonymous
So essentially rejection of enlightenment ideals? that rejection magically started in the 80's? What would you call all the previous similar movements from before? mid modernism? who's claiming the death of it?
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's complicated but If I had to specify the core elements I would say that it's that rejection of objectivity, rationalism, utilitarianism, intirinsic value of tradition and nationalism. As well as embrace of pacifism, and hyper individualism.
post modernism is just judeo-bolshevism getting out of control
>giant statues of supernatural characters are totally allowed in Islam
>I'm an expert on Islamic law
oh frick off
>thinking everyone is as ignorant as you are
2 months ago
Anonymous
>these fundamentalist in war torn region doing shit makes me an expert on islamic law
lel
2 months ago
Anonymous
>not real Islam
The Taliban were literally educated by the best Saudi scholars
2 months ago
Anonymous
Was the moon split by Muhammad?
2 months ago
Anonymous
The funniest shit about the moon splitting story is that it's one of the most mass-transmitted of all mutawatir hadiths. This is the hill muslims have to die on.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I remember Taliban boss saying he didn't intend to blow it up at first but got pissed off at foreigners caring about the statue more than the people
Still moronic though
2 months ago
Anonymous
I dont understand why but if we destroy some mosques it a huge crime.
2 months ago
Anonymous
That's just the story they told to avoid being seen as the backward fundamentalists they really are.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>but got pissed off at foreigners caring about the statue more than the people
He right though. They spent 20 years bombing his country, then they pretend they care by...caring about a statue. He's got every right to do what he did.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It wasn’t the same foreigners and this was before 9/11 dipshit
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I remember Taliban boss saying he didn't intend to blow it up at first but got pissed off at foreigners caring about the statue more than the people
That was a lie, the Taliban were pissed the UN wasn't giving them a big enough cut (aka bribe) with the foreign aid gibs
2 months ago
Anonymous
This. He was butthurt that he was only getting most of the free money instead of all of it and chimped out accordingly.
2 months ago
Anonymous
That's just the story they told to avoid being seen as the backward fundamentalists they really are.
>but got pissed off at foreigners caring about the statue more than the people
He right though. They spent 20 years bombing his country, then they pretend they care by...caring about a statue. He's got every right to do what he did.
There's actually another version that says he had a dream where an angel told him it's an idol and an insult to islam.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Hey anon, help me out here, how many hundreds of years passed while Islam was the state religion of Afghanistan where the statues were untouched before the Taliban came along?
2 months ago
Anonymous
they didn't have bombs you idiot
2 months ago
Anonymous
you can only deface structures with bombs? also what do you mean, gunpowder and tnt were available for a long time
2 months ago
Anonymous
Anon Muslims also defaced the Pyramids and the Sphinx in attempts to enforce their doctrine
2 months ago
Anonymous
that sounds based
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Be on IQfy >Hate history
2 months ago
Anonymous
I hate fake/pozzed history. On the other hand, real history is a fascination and a subject I devote a lot of my free time in researching.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Pyramids >Fake history
2 months ago
Anonymous
Do you even know what the pyramids were for?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Tombs
I still don't understand how this devalues their cultural and archaeological importance
2 months ago
Anonymous
Ironically they're now repairing them
2 months ago
Anonymous
>granite >not marble like it was
Why are they like this?
2 months ago
Anonymous
most likely to prevent future destruction
2 months ago
Anonymous
Ah. Honestly they should just impose a 5 mile clearance around the pyramids and get rid of all the loitering peasants. Replace the slums with luxury hotels and the new museums aimed at international tourists. It would be a major source of revenue for the Egyptian government.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Where do you think Egypt gets most of it's tourist money from?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>they should just impose a 5 mile clearance around the pyramids and get rid of all the loitering peasants. Replace the slums with luxury hotels and the new museums aimed at international tourists. It would be a major source of revenue for the Egyptian government.
Honestly this seems like a brilliant solution, it would be good for the site to have some real protection. And on top of that it would remove a major source of criticism. People who go there get scammed and it leaves a bad taste in their mouth. Perfect opportunity for some gulf state to invest here too
Why would anyone go to a country where alcohol is illegal and you can literally get sentenced to lashing for insulting some dumb religion or for criticizing their dumb government for tourism
>where alcohol is illegal
That's quite literally the only good part of sharia though
>ambitious megaproject illustration #1233476543
Wow, absolutely fricking nothing yet again. Why does Saudi Arabia keep trying to waste money on garbage like this when it's all going to either get bogged down in red tape or be forgotten after billions of wasted dollars?
If I was MBS I'd be spending money to prepare my country for climate change and civilizational collapse
MBS doesn't hold absolute power, otherwise he probably would. This is all just a gradual consolidation of power. Saudi Arabia is FRICKED if they don't do something about climate change.
I'm sure Saudi Arabia is a safe country, but I'd rather go to a lot of other places instead. Spain, Japan, basically anywhere in Europe has more interesting stuff.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Spain, Japan, basically anywhere in Europe has more interesting stuff.
Such as? Name one thing they have that Middle Easter countries don't have?
Note: I don't even live in Middle East, but I'm curious what makes Europe more special
2 months ago
Anonymous
Good urban design and sophisticated infrastructure makes Europe and East Asia the most interesting places to travel, good urban design makes a city easy to explore, good infrastructure makes it so the city itself is an attraction, and both these things allow for many interesting attractions within the country. I mentioned Spain and Japan specifically because those are some of the countries that have the most diverse array of interesting things to do, Beaches, Mountains, cool modern cities, cool historical and cultural areas, good nightlife, nice museums, great food culture. Spain and Japan have deeply ingrained cultural identity that reflects in the identity of their cities. France, South Korea, China, Belgium, Italy, all these countries have unique identities that reflects through the face of their cities. Middle Eastern countries have American tier urban design, unpleasant climate, Riyadh isn't really a historical city, Saudi Arabia also seems like a repressive society that I would be afraid to go out of my way to talk to people in. I'm not hating on the whole middle east, I think Jordan or Turkey could be really interesting places to travel to, but Saudi Arabia seems too conservative and soulless for me.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Beaches, Mountains, cool modern cities, cool historical and cultural areas, good nightlife, nice museums, great food culture.
Don't get me wrong anon I'm not particularly defending SA, as I've also never traveled there. But Middle East in general offers all that you mentioned and more. Going off on what you said, Jordan just going there to see Petra. And Turkey has more Ancient Greek ruins than Greece proper lol.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah maybe. Saudi Arabia seems weird as frick though. Too many weird laws
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Saudi Arabia seems weird as frick though. Too many weird laws
They seem to be on a collision course with modernity. It's changing so fast it might give its people whiplash. OP being just one of the many examples.
2 months ago
Anonymous
People only go to Arabia mostly because of Mecca, which is why they are modernizing rapidly so they could get those tourist bucks. Turkey, Egypt, and Iran is where you want to go, as it has sites related from older civilizations other than Islam. Turkey is pretty secular and modern from what i've seen, especially Istanbul.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>France, South Korea, China, Belgium, Italy, all these countries have unique identities that reflects through the face of their cities.
The cities in western europe are getting overrun by menas and africans. The unique culture is disappearing.
2 months ago
Anonymous
The oldest buildings in Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, are extremely young. The places that would be of interest like Mecca are closed to foreigners and there’s not much in the way of pre Islamic sites or natural places or festivals compared to places like Egypt, Turkey, or Iran.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You just posted Muslim heaven, a degenerate prostitutehouse with rivers of wine and endless fornication
Saudi doesn’t have alcohol but alot of other Arab countries like Bahrain and Oman do. It’s essentially kept indoors at hotels for “foreigners” but thats just code for saying you have to be rich to have a drink.
Oman you are going to get raped going to. It’s extremely rural and the tour guides there love to try and force women from the EU into having sex with them.
People still visit the UK despite thousands being jailed each year for ridiculous shit like making "racist" comments on social media or "misgendering" a police officer.
>ambitious megaproject illustration #1233476543
Wow, absolutely fricking nothing yet again. Why does Saudi Arabia keep trying to waste money on garbage like this when it's all going to either get bogged down in red tape or be forgotten after billions of wasted dollars?
because they are in the process of trying to find anything that will stick to the wall since even if people like to exaggerate it, their oil based economy will not last forever, main problem is they don't have much else to offer so they are really trying wtih being a tourist trap
Arabs love Dragon Ball and the Saudi's are trying to bring in more tourists. Also there's a Saudi prince that's like a turbo weed and maybe be responsible for why the Saudi government bought stocks in SNK.
The tide of salafism is receding since middle eastern rulers realised tgat funding terrorists who will kill them if the oppertunity arises is actually not a very good idea
As the middle class very slowly grrows in muslik countries their minds will be seduced and colonised by western individualism just like everyone else
its arabic cultural soft power.
in pakistan, they see gulf arabs the same way american protestants see israelites, as some kind of sacred cows to brownnose,
>Islam is the saudi arabian goverment
Kys
Pakistans does this with everybody
>Islam is the saudi arabian goverment
>implying it isn't
Who controls Mecca moron
Irrelevant
Yeah and i guess Christianity is Israel too, huh!
since when do christians control israel
Since always. It's a Christian Zionism project to bring about the he Day of Judgment first and foremost
>atheists and leftists actually believe this shit
Islam is an Arab supremacist religion. If you believe otherwise you are not Muslim. Non-Gulf Arabs are not real Arabs.
>If you believe otherwise you are not Muslim
O people, your Lord is one and your father Adam is one. There is no favor of an Arab over a foreigner, nor a foreigner over an Arab, and neither white skin over black skin, nor black skin over white skin, except by righteousness. Have I not delivered the message? Source: Musnad Aḥmad 22978, Grade: Sahih
https://web.archive.org/web/20140428161010/http:/islamqa.info/en/115934
Read this and educate yourself on Islam.
Another principle that is established in the Prophet’s Sunnah is that the Arabs are superior to other races, because Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, chose the Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) from among the Arabs and He made the Qur’an – which is His eternal message – Arabic. Ahl as-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa‘ah are unanimously agreed on the superiority of the Arabs over other races and peoples.
But there is no contradiction between the two principles mentioned above.
The superiority of the Arabs is the superiority of a race, not superiority of individuals. A pious and righteous non-Arab is better than an Arab who falls short with regard to the rights of Allah, may He be exalted. The superiority of the Arabs is but a choice from Allah, may He be exalted, the wisdom of which may or may not be clear to us. However among the Arabs there are some attributes and characteristics that point to this superiority.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
The superiority of one group over another does not necessarily mean that every individual (of the former group) is superior to every individual (of the latter group). Among the non-Arabs there are many people who are better than most of the Arabs; among tribes other than Quraysh among the Muhaajireen and Ansaar there were people who were better than most of Quraysh; among clans other than Banu Haashim and among tribes other than Quraysh there were people who were better than most of Banu Haashim. End quote.
Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa, 19/29-30
Ibn Taymiyya (Allah have mercy on him) clarifies his opinion and gives a reason (also acknowledging, “Allah Most High knows best”) that is: because they were the very first models of Islam and the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) was from amongst them in lineage and descent, having brought faith in Him, having beneficial knowledge, righteousness, and of high spiritual excellence. It was not because of them being an Arab, or foreigner, with black or white skin, or residing in the city or countryside. [Ibn Taymiyya, Iqtida’ al-Sirat al-Mustaqim Li Mukhalafat Ashab al-Jahim]
>thinks pseudosalafiqa is the standard of truth for muslims, especially when it contradicts the last sermon
It is removed I wonder why... maybe he realized his mistake. Anyway reading through it his evidence is rather poor and opinionated.
>a people are blessed because they've had a Prophet sent to them first
>the companions and ahl al-bayt are the best people and they were Arab
yeah no shit that was never denied, similar blessings happened before with the Israelites
"O Children of Israel! Remember ˹all˺ the favours I granted you and how I honoured you above the others." - Quran 2:47
"Allah reminds the Children of Israel of the favors that He granted their fathers and grandfathers, how He showed preference to them by sending them Messengers from among them and revealing Books to them, more so than any of the other previous nations..." - Ibn Kathir
>This refers to reasoning which is connected to memorisation and understanding, coupled with the ability to express oneself clearly. The Arabs have better understanding than others, and stronger memories
>The natural instinct of the Arabs is more inclined towards good than other peoples’, and they are closer to characteristics of generosity, forbearance, courage, sincerity and other praiseworthy characteristics.
Where the frick did the get this from? Anyways in 182686 where he references this removed article he writes this:
"Therefore an Arab Muslim cannot be superior to a non-Arab Muslim just because he is an Arab. Rather superiority is based on taqwa (piety, mindfulness of Allah). So whoever is more mindful of Allah and obedient to Him is better than his counterpart, regardless of whether he is an Arab or a non-Arab.
So the fact that you are not fully Arab does not mean that you are less than one who is fully Arab in terms of virtue and status simply because of that. As is clear from what we have mentioned above, the real standard is faith and righteous deeds."
Mutt Arabs are lesser to full blooded Arabs. Saudi Arabia's official immigration policy does not allow impure non-Gulf Arabs to obtain citizenship and the same is true for most Gulf Arab states.
Only Gulf Arabs are considered pure Arabs who blessed the world with Islam. Non-Arabs are lesser slaves, especially the rape babies of superior pure blooded Arab men.
>Saudi Arabia's official immigration policy does not allow impure non-Gulf Arabs to obtain citizenship
nothing to do with islam so it's irrelevant and anyway https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230319-saudi-arabia-amends-citizenship-laws-to-include-foreign-nationals/
You will never be Arab, you are a slave.
I am Arab with saudi ancestry you fricking moron
Why do you think quoting verses (the theory of islam) will change observable reality (the practice of islam)? Anyone can SEE that islam is arab supremacy, it's everywhere in islam. This is like someone saying the sky isn't blue.
>the practice of islam
>they aren't even from the 3 favored generations
>they contradict the prophet's own words
I don't care what random racists are doing it's not my religion.
Grim
This doesn’t apply to Persians, Turkics, and European Muslims though.
For Arabs? Yes
For everyone else? No
Somalis and Pakistanis would kill their own mothers for the chance to wake-up Arab tomorrow morning
>Somalis and Pakistanis
Why are they so assertive about something that the people they idolize are in the process of abandoning
Pakis are just Muslim Saars with a dash of Iranoids, with Islam being the only thing actually holding them together. Remove that religion out of equation and that ridiculous fake "country" loses any reason to exist and balkanizes into Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan etc. Deep down even the Pakis themselves know this, which is why they try to be as Muslim(and therefore as Arab) as possible to keep things (barely) running.
>Somalis
No
>Somalis
Every Somali I know hates Arabs with a fricking passion.Especially Saudis and Emiratis.
How does this even work? Will Anime and Porn just kill Islam from the inside?
The blame lies in Salafism. It's Muslim Protestantism, and like its Christian cousin it burnt the religion into a husk. Endless, relentless extremism burns people out.
This. Any time anyone attempts to integrate Islam into their life there’s some Salafi moron spouting off about how they’re not doing the sunnah enough.
If you aren't taking it seriously, then why bother?
I take my body's need for water seriously, but that doesn't mean I should drown myself.
Even in Islamic tradition there are warnings about becoming too extreme:
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1066a
>I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) as saying: There would arise at the end of the age a people who would be young in age and immature in thought, but they would talk (in such a manner) as if their words are the best among the creatures. They would recite the Qur'an, but it would not go beyond their throats, and they would pass through the religion as an arrow goes through the prey.
>they would pass through the religion as an arrow goes through the prey.
Go too deep into religion and you'll come out the other side. ISIS is the perfect example.
Salafism isn't actually the closest equivalent to Protestantism. That would be Quranism. Salafism's equivalent would be DIY Catholicism.
>top
International original
> Bottom
US/Canadian alter
Hopefully.
Islam is already on it's last legs. Just like Christianity it tried to fight secular liberal societies and lost badly. I can remember reading somewhere that the younger generation coming up in the ME is abandoning Islam at the highest rate ever seen. The only hardline Muslims left are either completely crazy or just CIA plants.
>that the younger generation coming up in the ME is abandoning Islam at the highest rate ever seen
That has reverted in the past 2 years Islam is back with Arab zoomers
They have their own tradcath equivalent: "Tradmusulims".
Lol.
That's hilarious.
We call them Dawah Bros
atheistcuck cope
Uhhh isn't Islamism actually on the advance atm given that Afghanistan fell to the Taliban?
the avalanche of apostacy doesn't help
Was in Istanbul a few days ago. On train. Kids look like any westerners. An older lady comes in, mostly covered like a proper muslim, starts waving finger and cussing at young girls with no scarfs. Kids take out headphoens and tell granny to take her meds.
Then they grow up and become religious as mortality becomes more and more apparent with each passing day. But anyway Turks are known for their worship of Europeans and have striven to emulate them since before the days of Ataturk
I can't imagine what future archaeologists are going to think when they see this.
Goku is Muslim.
Pretty sure they're going to think this is a sacrificial altar. The dragon balls are pods where the slaves are kept until their turn.
TRVE
Islam was functionally Judaism for Arabs originally. Persians turned it into a proselytizing religion. A lot of Arabs secretly still see it as an ethnic religion.
>Islam was functionally Judaism for Arabs originally. Persians turned it into a proselytizing religion.
Idiot.
Judaism used to also convert people but it's still a racialist and ethnocentric religion. The umayyad caliphate you could say was arab supremacist and oppressed non-arabs until they were overthrone by the abbasids who were more tolerant towards non-arab muslims.
Maybe Muhammad really just wanted something like judaism for arabs or judaism for all semites (this would explain why he could conquer syria so easily) but over time it became civic nationalist.
Islam was meant for all nations, not just arabs or semites. The umayyad policy of arab supremacy was ironically unislamic.
>Islam was meant for all nations, not just arabs or semites. The umayyad policy of arab supremacy was ironically unislamic.
Are you sure about this?
Maybe the whole islam was meant for all nations thing came later during the abbasids?
The quran is clearly addressed to all mankind, not a particular group of people.
The quran is clearly addressed to arabs, because people living in Norway would starve to death during ramadan. The quran is clearly addressed to arabs because your dua has to be in arabic or it's batil. The quran is clearly addressed to arabs because paradise has all of the foods and climates only an arab living in the 7th century would want.
>people living in Norway would starve to death during ramadan.
Muslims manage.
>your dua has to be in arabic or it's batil
Not according to the quran.
>because paradise has all of the foods and climates only an arab living in the 7th century would want
Flat out false.
>paradise has a climate setting
Truly the peak of Christian intellectualism
>paradise only mentions things a 7th century arab would want
The state of Muslim apologia
>Not according to the quran.
Without Hadith you wouldn't even know how many rakats to pray, Quranist
>because people living in Norway would starve to death during ramadan
Aren't there some Muslims in cold climates, like Tatars?
people have fasted and prayed in space going round the planet in ~90 minutes, guess what there are principles that guide new rulings
>addresses mankind and non-arabs explicitly
>b-but it's not actually valid because learning a language is impossible!
lmao
>paradise has all of the foods and climates only an arab living in the 7th century would want
...“If Allah admits you into Paradise, you will have therein whatever your soul desires and pleases your eyes.” -Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2543 also pretty sure nothing compares with the beatific vision
>Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2543
Doesn't sound like the Quran anon
>people have fasted and prayed in space going round the planet in ~90 minutes, guess what there are principles that guide new rulings
So Islam will also go gay like modern Christianity at some point
>Doesn't sound like the Quran anon
"We are your supporters in this worldly life and in the Hereafter. There you will have whatever your souls desire, and there you will have whatever you ask for"- Quran 41:31
>So Islam will also go gay like modern Christianity at some point
Christianity is that way because they have abandoned the law not because they have principles. But even amongst their ranks there are many who are very true to their faith
Wait is this actually true? How did they convert the Persians if it was originally only for Arabs?
Another question, did the Persians lose their identity and culture by becoming Muslim or not? What about Indonesia?
From the extremellt scarse sources we have on the early islamic expansion by contemporaney christian-byzantine sources, Muhammad was some sort self proclaimed king that wanted to unite the people descendants of Abraham: arabs (from Ismail) and israelites (from Isaac).
Their goal initial was to reclaim the Promised Land. Then they got greedy and expanded elswehere.
Ummayad kept the original idea of Islam being a reformed Judaism esclusive to Arab/jews. Then the crypto-persians took power with the help of the non-semitic converts and in return opened the conversion to everyone.
I live in Bahrain and can confirm. You can’t have children outside of your race without them losing the state benefits.
the fact that you have to pray in arab should tell you all you need to know
that translations are not to be trusted unconditionally?
you're supposed to learn arab to pray your own creator lol
okay and? salah involves the recitation of revelation which can never be perfectly translated. Outside of them you can use your language just fine for prayers
this is moronic
That is not an argument. muslims believe their scripture is the direct word of God and will not disrespect it by inserting the opinion of some translator in its place. In the muslim world you can't even buy a copy of a translation unless it also has the arabic beside it,
>That is not an argument
yes it is
>muslims believe their scripture is the direct word of God and will not disrespect it by inserting the opinion of some translator in its place
muslims are moronic, there is 26 arabic versions of Q-ran
>more non arguments
you're boring, you have conceded your claim with this stupidity
>actually thinks knowledge of the ahruf and qira'at are new things to us
kek, people who memorize the books specialize in one or multiple of them and they all have independent chains of narration to the prophet, the scripture to back it up and hadith telling us about them and why they exist
oh so you have no arguments then
you are moronic
don't forget to take your medicine
i drink camel urine like prophet muhammad told me. it helps for when you have fever dreams of donkeys flying you over jerusalem
is this all you are capable of?
we all know who the real degenerate is.
camel urine is not enough. mimi hijab is all about them golden showers.
>still mad after such a long time
Get over it already. People get humiliated in debates, especially those that can't form coherent arguments. You should be familiar with that
>taking a trip to israel is worse than taking golden showers
only a uro would think that.
golden showers are the leather straps of your fetish
what's bad is being a lapdog for a people that won't even acknowledge your worship of them
>golden showers
>leather straps
are you sure you're on the right board?
>what's bad is being a lapdog for a people that won't even acknowledge your worship of them
are you sure you're on the right board?
>there is only one Quran, there are no different versions
>ok there are qiraat but we never denied they existed
>ok they are different versions but the differences are meaningless
>ok they sometimes mean different things but they don't contradict each other
>ok they sometimes contradict each other but we can reconcile them
>ok there are tons of non-canonical variants but we decided they aren't canonical
>ok even the main variants have their own subvariants but that's ok, the Quran is still perfectly preserved
>ok the guy that preserved the most used variant in the world was accused of being a liar but that's ok because Allah controls everything
Nobody said they had to mean the same things or that people couldn't recite half the book in one style and the rest in another. All that matters is that they can be traced back to the prophet and you can cope as much as you want about it. Compare that to a book where random people decide which letter they found to include or not with other anonymously sourced works. You get comedy gold like "When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments." - 2 Timothy 4:13 What's next? a shopping list too?
You don't get to criticize the Bible when your own syriac lectionary insists numerous times it's authentic.
>You get comedy gold like "When you come, bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas, and my scrolls, especially the parchments."
You can find your "comedy gold" in the Quran.
>ackshually God himself married Muh to Zaynab, so that you'd understand you can marry the wives of your adopted sons, because this was such an important topic for the Lord of the Universe to reveal in his smallest book
>equally important was the minutiae of idol worshippers' animal sacrifices
>so was advising people to not bother Muh at his house, and also his sexual privileges, and how he need not fear two girls because the entire universe will come to his rescue against them, and how his uncle gets a whole surah to curse him, and how "God" was eager to tell the romance story of Alexander the Great, yet didn't know what to say when asked about the soul
Comedy gold.
Nah the bible is not authentic, your christian missionary meme will never work. Besides it's Christian scholars criticizing their own book lmao. Which one specifically even? The major denominations do not agree on which books are valid and then you've got shit like kjv only Christians.
>God shouldn't give detailed rules to guide his people, especially those in the past!
>instead he should reveal things beyond the comprehension of human beings
Just because you've abandoned the laws doesn't mean everyone else should have done the same.
>“If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.”
totally not specific at all!
>God shouldn't give detailed rules to guide his people, especially those in the past!
You mean, like, detailed rules to tell people not to rape, not to invade nations, not to torture people, not to have sex with prepubescent children, or how to actually clean your ass and wash your hands with soap, or how you shouldn't marry your first cousin because your kids will be morons? That kind of rules? Or do you mean the kind of rules that make no sense, like harming your body by missing sleep or eating at night? Or the non-detailed rules for salat that lead to muslims disagreeing about their minutiae?
>Nah the bible is not authentic
The Quran absolutely says the Bible is authentic, it's not even up for debate you literally just have to read what your book says, you can seethe about it until your leather straps pop out.
>rules to tell people to rape, to invade nations, to torture people, to have sex with prepubescent children
those are straight up biblical commandments
>cleanliness rules
you can be ignorant of them on purpose if you wish
>like harming your body
aren't you supposed to cut off your dick? meanwhile intermittent fasting is beneficial and so is making people follow natural sleeping patterns
>The Quran absolutely says the Bible is authentic
Oh yes definitely that's why you see all the imams cite biblical passages during prayer, absolutely delusional.
We are told many things about the soul though, from what happens to it when it dies to how predestination works in tandem with free will. So your point is invalid. You know what would actually be important a clear indication that God is a triune being. It was so bad they had to make up the Johannine Comma kek
>aren't you supposed to cut off your dick
>Muslim mocking anyone for being circumcised despite it being a requirement in Islam
Also circumcision isn't required in Christianity
>intermittent fasting is beneficial
Ramadan fasting is nothing like actual intermittent fasting since as many people have pointed out lots of people game the system by just gorging themselves at night also there have been various stories of people passing out due to lack of water
Not circumcision you moron, becoming a eunuch
>circumcision isn't required in Christianity
Just because a guy who never met Jesus said so? Even Salafis do it to keep Abraham's covenant
>game the system
They are recommended to eat in moderation, it's their problem for not following the Sunnah.
>passing out from not even a day of restricting water
You do realize the first muslims lived in a desert climate right? It was harder for them than anyone else. And if they have health problems they simply shouldn't fast. You've just reminded me to drink btw
not whataboutism at all because it's only biblical
>eating at night
perfectly fine if you don't do it near bedtime
>islam opposes
You aren't required to stay the entire night awake just wake up at proper times like before sunrise
>the biggest liars in the history of the world
Says the guy lying through his teeth. You get all your "arguments" from a bunch of youtubers. I know them very well and you are just a boring parrot repeating word for word their bullshit.
>Christians don't say God has "three" persons, which are all 100% God too
You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! -James 2:19
>annoyed
For the Lord your God in your midst is a jealous God—lest the anger of the Lord your God be kindled against you, and he destroy you from off the face of the earth. - Deuteronomy 6:15
>I know them very well and you are just a boring parrot repeating word for word their bullshit.
The only words I'm repeating for this topic are those of the Quran, you wouldn't know because you read it with blinkers on. You are the liar.
>You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! -James 2:19
How ironic that a muslim would quote this and not understand how this demolishes the entire islamic way of life.
>The only words I'm repeating for this topic
First off, what topic? You jump all over the place flinging shit hoping that something sticks. And you never defend a point for long because you yourself know it's low quality mindless spam. Look at this thread even it's about a dragonball park opening in KSA and you unleashed your entire repertoire here?
>this demolishes the entire islamic way of life
That demons are better than Christians according to that verse?
>First off, what topic?
Hello goldfish. The topic is the verifiable, objective fact that the Quran says the Bible is authentic.
>That demons are better than Christians according to that verse?
Gosh you're such a moron. Anything goes in islam as long as you believe in one god, you think monotheism is a get-out-of-jail free card. The verse exposes the islamic worldview for the lazy, childish cope it is. God doesn't care if you're monotheists if you act like pieces of shit, which most muslims do simply by promoting the stinking pile of evil that is islam.
>Hello goldfish.
Says the guy who doesn't stick to the topic he is supposedly trying to prove.
>thinks islam is like Christianity where belief that Jesus died for your sins is the "get-out-of-jail free card"
>thinks that salvation isn't ultimately due to God's mercy
>those are straight up biblical commandments
Nice whataboutism moron.
>you can be ignorant of them on purpose if you wish
Like muslims? No thank you.
>intermittent fasting is beneficial
Yes, and is eating at night beneficial? No it's fricking not.
>so is making people follow natural sleeping patterns
Which islam opposes by insisting prayer is more important than sleep.
>the imams
Follow the sheikhs and ulemas, and those are among the biggest liars in the history of the world.
>You know what would actually be important a clear indication that God is a triune being
Seeing as Allah says to not say "three" instead of saying to not say "triune", and treats the Spirit and Word as if it were part of him...
>kek
Is the name of an ancient egyptian idol. You've just annoyed your cave demon by mentioning another idol.
There's a difference between revealing things beyond the comprehension of human beings, and literally coping out when asked about the soul. The cave demon could have said many things understandable by man, but he said basically nothing at all (while promising elsewhere that he'd clarify things when asked about stuff).
Arabic is a liturgical language, like latin or syriac. It got abandoned as a lingua franca about 600 years ago in the muslim world for the more dynamic persian (with new persian itself being heavily influenced by arabic and other languages) which itself spawned other national languages like ottoman turkish and urdu. That aside there was an early opinion that you could pray in a translated language until you could learn the recitation in arabic. Arabocentrism is cope by irrelevant arabs.
No, but it's about where Christianity was in the early 20th century.
Modernity is a replacement of Religion itself. No one is Immune, just a slow integration process. Trust the plan.
but modern west already went form modern to post modern. What does it imply?
When did "post modernism" begin to you?
Idk somwhere in 90s maybe 80s. Although I suppose it's a gradual change and even now not everybody is fully post modern.
So how would you define post modernism?
It's complicated but If I had to specify the core elements I would say that it's that rejection of objectivity, rationalism, utilitarianism, intirinsic value of tradition and nationalism. As well as embrace of pacifism, and hyper individualism.
>hyper individualism.
most post modernist defend collectivist systems and frameworks
So essentially rejection of enlightenment ideals? that rejection magically started in the 80's? What would you call all the previous similar movements from before? mid modernism? who's claiming the death of it?
post modernism is just judeo-bolshevism getting out of control
how does that make it just a cultural identity? people are allowed to enjoy things they like
>people are allowed to enjoy things they like
Not under Islamic law they aren't
there is no such ruling in sharia
>implying music and depictions are allowed in islam
>giant statues of supernatural characters are totally allowed in Islam
>thinking everyone is as ignorant as you are
>these fundamentalist in war torn region doing shit makes me an expert on islamic law
lel
>not real Islam
The Taliban were literally educated by the best Saudi scholars
Was the moon split by Muhammad?
The funniest shit about the moon splitting story is that it's one of the most mass-transmitted of all mutawatir hadiths. This is the hill muslims have to die on.
I remember Taliban boss saying he didn't intend to blow it up at first but got pissed off at foreigners caring about the statue more than the people
Still moronic though
I dont understand why but if we destroy some mosques it a huge crime.
That's just the story they told to avoid being seen as the backward fundamentalists they really are.
>but got pissed off at foreigners caring about the statue more than the people
He right though. They spent 20 years bombing his country, then they pretend they care by...caring about a statue. He's got every right to do what he did.
It wasn’t the same foreigners and this was before 9/11 dipshit
>I remember Taliban boss saying he didn't intend to blow it up at first but got pissed off at foreigners caring about the statue more than the people
That was a lie, the Taliban were pissed the UN wasn't giving them a big enough cut (aka bribe) with the foreign aid gibs
This. He was butthurt that he was only getting most of the free money instead of all of it and chimped out accordingly.
There's actually another version that says he had a dream where an angel told him it's an idol and an insult to islam.
Hey anon, help me out here, how many hundreds of years passed while Islam was the state religion of Afghanistan where the statues were untouched before the Taliban came along?
they didn't have bombs you idiot
you can only deface structures with bombs? also what do you mean, gunpowder and tnt were available for a long time
Anon Muslims also defaced the Pyramids and the Sphinx in attempts to enforce their doctrine
that sounds based
>Be on IQfy
>Hate history
I hate fake/pozzed history. On the other hand, real history is a fascination and a subject I devote a lot of my free time in researching.
>Pyramids
>Fake history
Do you even know what the pyramids were for?
Tombs
I still don't understand how this devalues their cultural and archaeological importance
Ironically they're now repairing them
>granite
>not marble like it was
Why are they like this?
most likely to prevent future destruction
Ah. Honestly they should just impose a 5 mile clearance around the pyramids and get rid of all the loitering peasants. Replace the slums with luxury hotels and the new museums aimed at international tourists. It would be a major source of revenue for the Egyptian government.
Where do you think Egypt gets most of it's tourist money from?
>they should just impose a 5 mile clearance around the pyramids and get rid of all the loitering peasants. Replace the slums with luxury hotels and the new museums aimed at international tourists. It would be a major source of revenue for the Egyptian government.
Honestly this seems like a brilliant solution, it would be good for the site to have some real protection. And on top of that it would remove a major source of criticism. People who go there get scammed and it leaves a bad taste in their mouth. Perfect opportunity for some gulf state to invest here too
>I'm an expert on Islamic law
oh frick off
Arabs continue the tradition of having 0 taste
Why would anyone go to a country where alcohol is illegal and you can literally get sentenced to lashing for insulting some dumb religion or for criticizing their dumb government for tourism
>where alcohol is illegal
That's quite literally the only good part of sharia though
If I was MBS I'd be spending money to prepare my country for climate change and civilizational collapse
MBS doesn't hold absolute power, otherwise he probably would. This is all just a gradual consolidation of power. Saudi Arabia is FRICKED if they don't do something about climate change.
Don't act like a Black person. Simple.
I don't actually drink at all but Saudi Arabia sounds like one of the least fun places on earth to visit
White women go to India to get raped, excitement has many forms
Whats "fun" to you?
I'm sure Saudi Arabia is a safe country, but I'd rather go to a lot of other places instead. Spain, Japan, basically anywhere in Europe has more interesting stuff.
>Spain, Japan, basically anywhere in Europe has more interesting stuff.
Such as? Name one thing they have that Middle Easter countries don't have?
Note: I don't even live in Middle East, but I'm curious what makes Europe more special
Good urban design and sophisticated infrastructure makes Europe and East Asia the most interesting places to travel, good urban design makes a city easy to explore, good infrastructure makes it so the city itself is an attraction, and both these things allow for many interesting attractions within the country. I mentioned Spain and Japan specifically because those are some of the countries that have the most diverse array of interesting things to do, Beaches, Mountains, cool modern cities, cool historical and cultural areas, good nightlife, nice museums, great food culture. Spain and Japan have deeply ingrained cultural identity that reflects in the identity of their cities. France, South Korea, China, Belgium, Italy, all these countries have unique identities that reflects through the face of their cities. Middle Eastern countries have American tier urban design, unpleasant climate, Riyadh isn't really a historical city, Saudi Arabia also seems like a repressive society that I would be afraid to go out of my way to talk to people in. I'm not hating on the whole middle east, I think Jordan or Turkey could be really interesting places to travel to, but Saudi Arabia seems too conservative and soulless for me.
>Beaches, Mountains, cool modern cities, cool historical and cultural areas, good nightlife, nice museums, great food culture.
Don't get me wrong anon I'm not particularly defending SA, as I've also never traveled there. But Middle East in general offers all that you mentioned and more. Going off on what you said, Jordan just going there to see Petra. And Turkey has more Ancient Greek ruins than Greece proper lol.
Yeah maybe. Saudi Arabia seems weird as frick though. Too many weird laws
>Saudi Arabia seems weird as frick though. Too many weird laws
They seem to be on a collision course with modernity. It's changing so fast it might give its people whiplash. OP being just one of the many examples.
People only go to Arabia mostly because of Mecca, which is why they are modernizing rapidly so they could get those tourist bucks. Turkey, Egypt, and Iran is where you want to go, as it has sites related from older civilizations other than Islam. Turkey is pretty secular and modern from what i've seen, especially Istanbul.
>France, South Korea, China, Belgium, Italy, all these countries have unique identities that reflects through the face of their cities.
The cities in western europe are getting overrun by menas and africans. The unique culture is disappearing.
The oldest buildings in Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, are extremely young. The places that would be of interest like Mecca are closed to foreigners and there’s not much in the way of pre Islamic sites or natural places or festivals compared to places like Egypt, Turkey, or Iran.
You just posted Muslim heaven, a degenerate prostitutehouse with rivers of wine and endless fornication
you can't control yourself for the few number of days you are there?
Saudi doesn’t have alcohol but alot of other Arab countries like Bahrain and Oman do. It’s essentially kept indoors at hotels for “foreigners” but thats just code for saying you have to be rich to have a drink.
I feel like going to Oman or the UAE or something would be way more fun than Saudi Arabia
Oman you are going to get raped going to. It’s extremely rural and the tour guides there love to try and force women from the EU into having sex with them.
People go to dubai and turkey for whatever reason
>Why would anyone go to a country where alcohol
To avoid alcoholics like you?
People still visit the UK despite thousands being jailed each year for ridiculous shit like making "racist" comments on social media or "misgendering" a police officer.
>ambitious megaproject illustration #1233476543
Wow, absolutely fricking nothing yet again. Why does Saudi Arabia keep trying to waste money on garbage like this when it's all going to either get bogged down in red tape or be forgotten after billions of wasted dollars?
They have 10% Black dna. It could be their genes speaking and wasting money for blim blim.
because they are in the process of trying to find anything that will stick to the wall since even if people like to exaggerate it, their oil based economy will not last forever, main problem is they don't have much else to offer so they are really trying wtih being a tourist trap
Life imitates life
Always was.
Throughout history, I'm convinced that most peoples turned Muslim just because they hated whitey more than they hated these Arab frickers.
At this point it's just black nationalism for sandBlack folk.
What about this goes against Islam?
Depiction of animals in art is bad, according to that one hadith where the Prophet gets mad at curtains with animal drawing on them
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6109
And where is the depictions of the animals? Dragonball is a fictional work and doesn’t depict actual animals
That homosexual blue cat that hangs out with Yamcha
Depiction of people is banned too, that's why there are no images of Muhammad
>Israel and Ukraine
Are you fricking me? Not in europe or america or japan but in fricking saudia arabia? a dragon ball park? gtfo
Arabs love Dragon Ball and the Saudi's are trying to bring in more tourists. Also there's a Saudi prince that's like a turbo weed and maybe be responsible for why the Saudi government bought stocks in SNK.
>Also there's a Saudi prince that's like a turbo weed
yeah
Yes
The tide of salafism is receding since middle eastern rulers realised tgat funding terrorists who will kill them if the oppertunity arises is actually not a very good idea
As the middle class very slowly grrows in muslik countries their minds will be seduced and colonised by western individualism just like everyone else
For browns living in the West; yes.