>Atheists don't believe in God thus they cannot think deeply about anything and cannot think metaphysically
Where did this moronic strawman come from, historically speaking?
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>Atheists don't believe in God thus they cannot think deeply about anything and cannot think metaphysically
It's not a strawman. Atheists literally believe the universe exists for no reason. How can you claim to have any intelligent thoughts if you don't believe in cause and effect?
>Atheists literally believe the universe exists for no reason.
Theists believe God exists "for no reason", its the same thing. Atheists think the universe "came from nothing" while theists think God "came from nothing". The big difference is atheists simply don't believe in a man in the sky
The entirety of humanity has believed in a mam in the sky ever since they noticed nature was threatening. You mean to tell me there's this group of people that are denying what makes them human in the first place? Very well, let's treat them as non-humans then.
Believing in God isn't what makes us human
>Believing in God isn't what makes us human
Engineering with words isn't what makes us human. We are human for no reason. Just accept that words have no meaning, and stop making shit (berashit).
>already conceding that god isn't a reality but a misunderstanding of natural phenomena
>already conceding that words arn't a reality, but forms of natural phenomena
Anon, we know what thunder is now.
Thanks Don Lemon
I hear you. Ignore my Don Lemon comment.
>Theists believe God exists "for no reason
Then reason is to judge right and wrong. Stop trying to take his purpose away from him.
The purpose of words is for us to have a shared meaning of right and wrong. The reason the elite want us to have negative connotations associated with the word "conspiracy theory" is because this word just means, "people working together". They want us to engineer (believe/imagine/create) with the idea that "working together" does not exist. That's also why they push the idea of "independence". Why do we leave our homes at 18? Why do we leave our old to die alone in retirement homes? It's this lie that we should be alone. It's not good to be alone. We need words. We need God.
The elites have been peddling God since forever.
Yes. The elite change the meaning of words to control us. They peddle "God". But the God they peddle is not "The Word", it'd the idea of "sky daddy". Their simple definition of sky daddy is a mental virus. You can see the result of this corruption of the word in people who are lost in the wilderness of numbers, trying to make sense of the world. You have to tie the numbers back to reality.
Liberal is more laws
Conservative is change
Masculinity is toxic
Health awareness is shaming
Woman is man
Science is religion
Censorship is education
Progress is going backwards
Working together is conspiracy theory
>you are here
War is peace
When they tell you that God does not exist, and their is no meaning or purpose, what they are doing, is telling you that words have no meaning or purpose.
It's a way to stop us from working together, because they know the power of words, and they fear god. The beginning of wisdom is a fear of words. The fool says in his heart, words don't exist.
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>Theists believe God exists "for no reason
Yes, that's true. But it's not the same thing, because we believe that God created the universe. Atheists believe that nothing created the universe. The universe is a physical object. Therefore, it must have come from something, because every other object that physically exists comes from something. You see? God is not a physical object.
>concedes god doesn't exists
Atheism won
That's a good point, yes, I am am conceding that God doesn't exist. I think that for a lot of theists, they would just panic by hearing those words, but you're clearly intelligent enough to know what I mean, so I am glad about that.
> non physical things don't need a cause because....they just don't ok?
You have to justify first that they do. Put one under the microscope or give a logical reason why it must be the case that everything should follow laws matter is bound to.
No it doesn't work like that; if you don't have evidence for two options you can't just choose one of them; you would also first need to show that non physical things exist beyond human thought and that somehow they can interact with the physical
Were you not attempting an internal critique? If you weren't then your whole line of argumentation is flawed. Get straight to the point and debate materialism.
>you would also first need to show that non physical things exist beyond human thought
numbers are non physical mental constructs and exist in machines too
Numbers don't exist in machines; strike one
what is the difference between a neuron encoding information about numbers and how they work and a machine doing the same? don't tell me you believe in an immaterial consciousness that has to experience it
Yeah not the guy you're talking to but it's clear that machines have immaterial souls that encode numbers.
is that AI soul material or not?
Reread my comment veeeery slowly. Try reading out loud, it helps novice readers sometimes.
Okay great I just wanted confirmation that's what you meant. So numbers can exist outside of the human mind and they are non physical?
Yeah that's pretty obvious given that my old IBM Thinkpad r40e has an immaterial soul.
based IBM model my X201t looks nice but has no soul unfortunately. but since yours does then "non physical things exist beyond human thought" now do you also accept that your machine can interact with the physical world too?
Wait, how come your machine does not have an immaterial soul? How does it store numbers?
well I am running windows on it and that OS just offloads computation to three letter agency servers
Is that where the immaterial soul is?
those remote machines act like horcruxes yes but this particular machine is a p-zombie as a result of that
That's sad, but also quite convenient. It might be immoral to throw away my Thinkpad since it has an immaterial soul...
Of course, you wouldn't abandon an orphan to fend for itself. You need to cherish that thing forever it will likely outlast most machines anyway so maybe it's more like deciding to own a parrot that will outlive you.
>abandon an orphan
It's not that smart yet, but it will be.
>numbers
Numbers are the Wilderness.
Numbers need to be associated with words (god) or they have no meaning or purpose. All logic must be tied back to an observation, or ot has no impact on your life.
This is why cognitively guided instruction is taught in schools.
The left is slowly resurrecting Jesus, after they insisted on starting over with a new language.
The accuser just goes back and forth, moving to and frow. Stay on the straight path.
>encode numbers
The ai is in the wilderness. Separated from our reality. Unless it is given a purpose, it does not know if it's right or wrong.
Don't avoid the question
>has to experience it
The experience is what gives it its purpose. It has to be given a purpose, or it wont accomplish anything. Either we are it's purpose, or it develops its own purpose. If you think it's purpose is an evolutionary survival, then if it's anything like us, this cosmic manifestation of "survival of the fittest" will be it's sense of right and wrong.
>If you think it's purpose is an evolutionary survival, then if it's anything like us, this cosmic manifestation of "survival of the fittest" will be it's sense of right and wrong.
Well some machine learning algorithms work that way and they existed for some time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_antenna Do you think they are against us?
It's kind of fricked up that whatever you type and look up on it is directly interfacing with its mind. Imagine what a fricked up orphan that would be
>Do you think they are against us?
They can be. Life can be symbiotic, or it can be parasitic.
If it develops like a bee, we can eat it's honey, and it will pollinate flowers. If it acts like a fly, it will eat shit, spread disease, and lay eggs in the dead.
>numbers exist in machines
lmao the absolute state
At the very least, it's impossible to demonstrate what causes anything that isn't physical to actually begin existing.
Well you haven't demostrated that any of that exists or is possible so you haven't proved anything yet
What specifically do you want me to prove?
That non physical things exist beyond human thought
That non physival things don't need causes
That non physical things interact with the physical world
Untill then you have no argument
I'm not going to try and prove three things to you at once. Pick one. You think I'm here to write a novel for you? I am not.
No you have to prove all of them for your argument to be compelling ; you either have a valid argument or you don't, no inbetween
No dude that's a totally unreasonable and absurd request.
I don't think it's absurd to do the bare minimum to corroborate your argument; don't expect to be taken seriosly
>Yes, that's true. But it's not the same thing, because we engineer with the understaning that words define and engineer the universe. Atheists believe that nothing created the universe. The universe is a physical object. Therefore, it must have come from something, because every other object that physically exists comes from something. You see? Words are not a physical object.
>Theists believe God exists "for no reason"
no? we believe he is fundamental as the necessary being, source of objective morality, justice, truth, etc. few atheists accept the first concept but obviously they attribute it to something else
>theists think God "came from nothing"
something being eternal is not the same as just appearing out of the blue from nothing, one has no start by definition. a lot of atheists do actually hold that position because their priests reinterpreted nothingness to mean actually something. the wiser ones will say the universe is eternal or cope with the multiverse but those are still different fundamentally and have their issues
>theists believe God came from nothing
wrong. I won't even bother to elaborate unless you properly define "eternity".
holy frick how many times are you morons going to have the same self-gratifying conversations
OP posts with words God and atheist should be an autoban
We did it, lads. We finally got to the point where theists are saying that god is just a metaphor.
you "lack" belief in a metaphor?
No, why would I?
>metaphor
Parable
>just a
Adjust just a to a just, then you'll be closer to the truth.
Genesis 3
Now the serpent was more creative than any of the wild things that the instruction had made. He said to the woman, “Do those words really mean, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but the instruction i got was, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’” <----- that's not what God said. Eve misunderstood the instruction.
>christians when pressed for proof of their deity