> Basically, old age not bad cause soul live forever or soul dies in which case you have no sensations so apparently no loss.

> Basically, old age not bad cause soul live forever or soul dies in which case you have no sensations so apparently no loss.
> The loss of physical strength not so bad because you can become huge nerd when old and mog young jocks with all your cool knowledge and facts.
> And also, don’t fear the loss of desire for sex because sex was le bad all along

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why read Cicero when you can go to the source, Plato?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Now I come to the third reason why old age is so strenuously condemned: that when we are old we can’t enjoy sensual pleasures. On the contrary, what a gift it is that age takes away from us the most objectionable vices of the young! When I was a young man in the army, someone quoted to me from a speech—and it is well worth listening to it today—that was delivered long ago by a distinguished philosopher, Archytas of Tarentum. “Nature,” he said, “has never visited on man a more virulent pestilence than sex. There is nothing we will not do, however rash and ill-considered, in order to satisfy our desires. Sex has impelled men to treason, to revolution, to collusion with the enemy. Under the influence of sex, there is no criminal enterprise they will not undertake, no sin they will not commit. Infidelity, of course, and then any kind of depraved perversion you can think of—all are driven by the search for sexual pleasure. Nature—or perhaps some god—has given us nothing more valuable than the power to reason; but there is nothing more inimical to reason than sex. Lust will always overcome selfcontrol; there is no moral value that can stand up to the attacks of unbridled desire.”
    >Then, to make his point more vividly, he asked his audience to imagine a man in the grip of the most acute erotic excitement that they could think of. “It’s a fair assumption, isn’t it,” he asked, “that, overwhelmed by such passion, he wouldn't be able to think or use his powers of reasoning or foresee the consequences of whatever it was that he might be doing? No, of course he wouldn't. Desire is far too insidious, and it will tolerate no restraint. Sooner or later it will snuff out the bright light of the soul.”
    >I was told all this by a good friend of the Roman people—the story, he said, was well known to all the members of his family—whose house I stayed in at Tarentum. He said that Archytas was talking to the father of the general who had defeated the Roman army at the battle of the Caudine Forks. Plato, the Athenian philosopher, was also reported to have been there—according to reports, he used to visit Tarentum many years ago. Why so much detail about this conversation? Because it illustrates one thing that I want to make very clear, and it is this: since perfectly reasonable and sensible men in the prime of life are incapable of resisting the lure of sex, we should be grateful for the fact that we, as we get older, will no longer be tempted to do what we know we ought not to do. Our need for sexual gratification tramples our best intentions. It befuddles our minds. It blinds our consciences, if you will—and it holds us back from what we know to be true and good.
    What do we think bros? Cope because his dick didn't work anymore? Or legitimate argument?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you read Cicero with a close mind like yours and don't challenge your assumptions about life, but uncritically denies and reject without thinking whatever goes against your current world view...
      Maybe philosophy is not for you, for now, since you are not mature and open minded enough.

      Maybe the best you can read in non fiction is pop psychology books.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        As he uncritically denies and rejects whatever doesn’t fit in his tight little framework of what is right according to ‘Nature’?

        Body deniers are filth.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This kind of bad argument...
          You are the feminist Nietzschean from the other thread, aren't you?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >accepts and praises the natural phenomenon that is aging
          >body denier

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >You need to think critically and questions assumptions
        >>Well, I think Cicero's arguments don't hold up and he is making assumptions I think are invalid
        >No, not like that!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You ignore whatever goes against your priors without any kind of reflection.
          This is not critical thinking. You are not even thinking.
          You are just wasting your time, if you read something with your kind of mindset.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So to you, 'critical thinking' means blindly accepting whatever you read, while considering the matter carefully and comparing it to other things you know from reading or experience is 'not even thinking' ?

            Philosophers use strange jargon indeed.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You are not considering the matter carefully.
            Cicero basically says: "Lust will get in the way of a clear head"
            Your reaction: "This is cope because he can't have sex. Will ridicule him rather than think if if is indeed the case that lust can get in the way of a clear head".

            This is not critical thinking. It will he hard for you to change your mind about anything and improving yourself if this is how you read. With the point that you already have the truth.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >man makes claim
            >pose a question critical of this claim
            >"noooo you can't be critical like THAT"
            Is it not a valid claim to question his reasoning? Is it not valid to question his position on sexuality while considering the fact that he literally cannot partake in sexuality any more? If not, what is the "proper" way to think critically about this?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Is it not valid to question his position on sexuality while considering the fact that he literally cannot partake in sexuality any more?
            No. Of course not. What are they teaching nowadays? This is not how you analyze arguments.

            >If not, what is the "proper" way to think critically about this?
            You look at his claims for themselves. In this example: is it true or not that your desire for sex can make you make bad decisions? If so, how? Is it true that it can get in the way of the "good" (in a philosophical sense)? What does Cicero consider to be the "good"? Is it indeed the "good"?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm
            I'm still kind of shocked that they are teaching nowadays that the way to read is to go after the messenger rather than tackling the text and its arguments in their own terms. This is really terrible. No wonder discourse nowadays got so bad.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Cicero basically says: "Lust will get in the way of a clear head"
            This is cope because he can't have sex or can't control his desires. A rational adult can discipline his lust and engage in sexual activity responsibly and wouldn't have to spin his enfeeblement and loss as akshually a benefit.

            So yes, I will ridicule him after considering whether it is indeed the case that age induced impotence is actually good.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >A rational adult can discipline his lust and engage in sexual activity responsibly
            I know many "rational adults" that had problems due to sex.
            Someone who has divorced and left his 1 year old baby because he fell in love with a married woman.
            An old businessman who has fallen in love with a prostitute and married her.
            Two men who lost their jobs because they used the company car to get prostitutes and were caught in the act.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They don't sound like rational adults at all.

            Being unable to experience physical pleasure is not a good thing for most people just because a few morons can't control themselves.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >They don't sound like rational adults at all
            Could it be that lust overwhelmed their reason and led then to make bad choices?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So have you castrated yourself yet? Better do it soon before lust overwhelms your reason.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Difficult to distinguish between genuine virtue or merely transforming the necessity of his deadened libido into a virtue.

      Wonder if his views would change had they had Viagra?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm losing my libedo and it's a fricking godsend. I've wasted so much time on this bullshit. If you enjoy things and have interests besides sex, especially if those things have positive long term effects on your life, why would you possibly be upset about having more time to pursue your interests instead of being compelled to play with your dick?

      If you have nothing going on besides hedonism you can just replace all your masturbation and hookups (yeah right) with drug use and eating. Nothing lost.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      holy based and wizardpilled
      sexhavers eternally btfo

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Stoicism, not even once. No wonder christians were so enamored with it.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a virgin loser who lost his libido when he was 23. I can't say if its a good or bad thing. I still want to die. My life is over

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >who lost his libido when he was 23
      No you didn't. Losing libido is a continual process. If you still want to have a nice day over not getting your dick wet it isn't actually gone yet.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I want to kill myself for a lot of reasons. And sex isn't the thing I'm craving when I say I'm a virgin loser.
        I lost the libido

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >age 23
          >still obsessed enough with sex to identify your problems with virginity
          I seriously doubt it. That's not a biologically plausible time to completely stop caring about sex and you don't behave like someone who has stopped. Maybe the rest of your life sucks but this particular part will just keep getting better as you sincerely start caring less.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not 23. I don't think you understand my post at all.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Your current age isn't relevant. You claimed you lost it at 23. That is not plausible.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well its the truth

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    WTF that's.. based. I should have read Cicero years ago

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