>be google, one of the most anti-privacy companies in the world
>make the most secure and phone
>GrapheneOS makes it the most private OS built around the phone's security
>pixlel is now the best phone for privacy schizos, being recommended by Snowden, etc
How is this meme real? how did it come to this?
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works on my machine
>falling to ~~*google pixel*~~ meme
anon...
it's a known fact that pixels can be turned into privacy friendly devices, what are you on about? dumbass Black person
yeah but just think about that for a second, why is the CEO allowing it to best all others in this space which it cannot benefit from anywhere near as much as if it did the opposite?
it's like prostitutes being the only non-diseased single women in a city. it's topsy terby. or maybe just the power of capitalism.
Learn English and proper writing, you dumb schizo.
because grapheneos trannies had pixel phones so they made privacy softwar3 exclusive for them
your meds, you need to take them
You are fricking moronic.
You really believe that hardware made by google, is safe? A device that can't be truly formatted? Get the frick outta here.
jfc
>~~*known fact*~~
verified by "independent" fact checkers?
google it
>what do you mean you don't trust google? just ask google do find out the truth
Stop dreaming anon
use sailfish with an xa2
I've never been able to get into any of these alternate roms because they always require some phone I don't have.
Next time you buy a phone, just see what is supported by the ROM you want to try.
>phone
>privacy
Pick one.
>disallows any connections from apps
>disables cell connectivity
>disables wifi
>disables bluetooth
..what is anti-privacy about it? Even desktop doesn't have the kind of granular application control
>implying it actually disables those things despite the fact that a fricking sim card contains a CPU that operates entirely independent of the fricking phone at a level lower than those other bits of hardware and has been shown in court to be sending data to service providers without the knowledge of the phone owner and completely oblivious to the phone.
You can just turn off the SIM entirely and only enable it when you really need it, moron.
how
Airplane mode should do it, but also more explicitly under Settings -> Mobile Network -> (Dual) SIM Settings
On my phone there is a switch where I can turn off SIMs. There is a measurable decrease in power draw (mAh, shown in Battery bot Pro), so I'm assuming this also turns off the radio/modem.
airplane mode doesnt turn off the sim lmaooo
>airplane mode doesnt turn off the sim lmaooo
Works on my phone. Even if it doesn't, turning it off turns it off.
it doesnt turn off the sim you fricking retatd
What makes you think it doesn't?
The modem doesn't run the same OS, you have no control. Only way to be sure is by cutting off power going to it.
>The modem doesn't run the same OS, you have no control. Only way to be sure is by cutting off power going to it.
It doesn't have to run the same OS to be turned off. The main system pulls up some GPIO or whatever and the board cuts power to the modem.
Same for turning off a SIM, although that might be controlled by the modem, but that doesn't matter. If you're paranoid just probe the pins for any voltage and see for yourself.
All phones have IOMMU nowadays, so the modem can't do shit.
SIMs don't have processors, they're just an identity for the phone. You can get eSIMs on (at the very least) iPhones and Pixels and use the regular SIM slot for another number/provider. You might be thinking of the radio baseband software which is proprietary and likely harmful.
>Even desktop
Desktops don't have a baseband modem
If you have a WWAN card it does
>what is GSM tracking?
>GSM
disabled
why use smartphone without internet connection and calls/sms? what's the purpose?
You turn them on as needed, you little dingle berry you.
How am I suppose to know when someone is calling me 100% of the time?
This homie never heard of a submarine.
>not telling your one friend and your mommy that you have three calling windows during the day and that is the only time they can reach you.
ngmi
In truth, I intentionally leave my phone at home because I don't want to be bothered all the time.
>how to tell that you don't have friends without telling that you don't have friends
My friends don't determine my availability.
>baseband modem with DMA
your opinion has been invalidated
Desktops have exactly that level of control moron.
Not by default, not even close.
Android is more locked down for applications, by default, than 99.99% of desktops. They have to get permission for literally everything.
those things will get enabled automatically after reboot and leak your data before you disable them
>google
>anti privacy e.g anti security
You have to go back
security is not the same as privacy. they often go hand in hand but you can have one without the other. in this case, google made a very secure phone, just not a private one. so graphene picked up the slack and make it private (and even more secure) so now it has both traits
This is normal procedure for Google. They make the base system like Android open-source then add optional poz.
The point is to get developers working with Google stuff and consumers to accept their tech.
>Snowden
he was blackbagged years ago and who you think is Snowden, isn't
Based schizo
(could very well be right though)
Snowden was either killed in or kidnapped from the Ecuadorean embassy and the wikileaks "ranodm" numbers post during this period was tied to the disappearance of the real Snowden. The change of tune of wikileaks following this was not coincidence. Do you remember the threads?
no please post archive
i'm interested
>google privacy
in the same way that apple "cares" about the environment
>being recommended by Snowden,
I have to mention this everytime I see it, but Snowden is a moron. He has zero knowledge about OpSec.
>B...but he was a defense contractor
Means jack shit.
Remember that time the police made a bugged phone and then sold it as a "super duper most secureist phone, no really" phone to drug dealers for thousands of dollars? That was fun.
Cool story, what does this have in common with grapheneos?
>google makes secure phone, no really, just install this custom software
Suuuuuure.
Stupid midwit
I remember when that term was used by people who actually had insight, not just the kind of people who have minions themed reaction images on their Facebook profile. You either live long enough to be et cetera or you're you. The person who will play the "pretending to be moronic" card when the joke is pointed out to them.
>he still thinks he's smart
Mount stupid is calling
>he wants another human being to die because he got mad and exposed at an anonymous image board
New low
>NEW low
hello new fren
I'll give you credit for calling it Mount Stupid and not Dunner Craigslist, but that's all the credit you get. You're behind the curve and that's all there is to say on the matter. Whether or not you can catch up, that's on you.
bump
>You're behind the curve and that's all there is to say on the matter
You didn't provide a single argument for anything yet. I don't even know what exactly you are arguing. You are just stupid.
I think you both are midwits
what a midwit post
>authenticating users with one another takes place in person, scanning each others qr codes
>no servers, logs, names or any other data
>transmit messages encrypted with pgp
>use regular sms network for messaging, since it can't be decrypted anyway
>bounce sms traffic through different providers in different countries to prevent filtering
>encrypted, unhackable phone without a camera, gps, mic
now the man with the key might just open the phone to authorities which would always be a weakness, even with bulletproof technology.
hated one is a tard
not watching the whole video but the title is correct, your point?
Secure from WHAT? Secure from WHO?
>Secure from WHAT?
attacks
>Secure from WHO?
attackers
any more questions? moron
What kind of attacks?
Jews
But isn't it kind of true that segmentation of apps and permissions make your device more secure?
Yes, but desktops can do it just as well. Fricking Windows will do it OOTB.
He's a fricking moron.
Also your phones is much more likely to get stolen or lost than even a laptop.
>snowden
same guy that shills zcash over monero
Fake news.
Misrepresentation of the source.
pssssssssssssssssssssssssssssyoooooooooooooooop
Has anyone actually gone to the trouble of making sure the chips used in these cell phones are not containing back doors?
What do backdoors have to do with online privacy where google, apple, amazon and Microsoft all build a fricking profile behind your back about you and all share these data between each other to know better than YOU have to take a shit than yourself?
What does this have to do with stupid hardware backdoors that are a completely different threat level?
It's a device made by Google. They've given you the liberty to be able to create a reasonably secure OS, they've given you the liiberty to install it.
Since that company is the representation of evil itself, of course people assume the worst from them.
>Trusting the google one
have a nice day OP.
all android is google in the first place
how many here actually use a pixel with graphene as their main device? every time I see it discussed, it's treated as a hypothetical
I've been using it since December and I love it - though this is coming from a former iPhone user.
Not grapheneos, but calyxos because I'm addicted to GSF and am moronic. If someone can convince me to otherwise please do
https://grapheneos.org/usage#sandboxed-google-play
Been using for 1+ years now
Honestly it just works, including the sandbox play services
Gained neat features, very recently it got cross-user profile notifications, so going to utilize it to segregate apps and data more now
if you're trusting a machine you're doing something wrong
I always worry that at some hardware level in the phone there's shit happening that I can't determine.
>Pixel is recommended
Pixels(and before that nexus) are devices Google uses for Android development.
Not only are they the best supported but they are also some of the most "open" devices since a lot of their drivers are up streamed
> Be Google
> Fed up with the 9001 incompatible versions of Android Chinks do
> Fed up with shit Android forks fudging the name of Android
> Fed up with 0 support of said forks driving people to Apple
> Release a reference phone designed for master branch Google/Android
> Release 100% pure, unaltered Google/Android to showcase what Android is capable of
> Reference phone is well supported, and ridiculously easy to work with
> Degoogled Android aims to support said reference phone, and it's optimized for it
> Android without Google is Linux, so it's silent, and has high performance.
is there some chinkphone that supports custom secureboot keys like pixel, but also has shit like hardware navbar and headphone jack
i would like to have shit like graphine but with phone that also has real features
yes i know that secureboot is not requirement but i still like the ability to
utterly useless in countries that will force you to unlock the phone and provide keys. you are better off not carrying anything at all. all this security is easily circumvented as your device has to connect to the mobile network to make calls and receive data, and the international signalling system that all telephone exchanges rely on is key to that exploitation. you can still be tracked anywhere in the world, whoever you call is logged, sms, imei,imsi etc. since it's highly illegal to modify imei numbers (for obvious reasons), you can swap sims out and you can still be tracked. they can send command and control messages to your phone (and without the right software installed you would not get any notification of network messages).
>like pixel
No
>other shit
No
>being recommended by Snowden, etc
ah yes. a technology that's shilled by an agent that works for russia's fsb. really trustworthy, Black person. you are so fricking stupid that it's unreal to witness.
Yes let’s just don’t do anything and live life in npc mode
you're a fricking moron. do you trust everything that compulsive lying glow in the dark Black folk say? my point is trusting such an abysmal failure, after he blatantly lied about how he got "millions of documents" - and only released less than 5k pages, is a fool's game for morons and Black folk. if people like that say "i trust <whatever tech>" then you can guarantee it's already compromised. communist sympathizing and compulsive lying traitors do not have your best interest in mind. do you realize he is under guard 24/7 by russia's fsb, right? there are prisoners in USA jails that are more free than that communist traitor. what's next, Black person? you trust the NSA with encryption algorithms too?
The hated Black person is a glowie. I am fairly certain of this. Easily digestible security advice promoting google hardware and locked down os. No actual op-sec other than "buy with cash bro". Any device that you don't have root access to is not your device and as far as I remember graphene os is against unlocking you google spyware. All this is making it highly suspicious. Who are you trying to defend yourself against if not google? Pegasus is a thing. Unless you can rip out the modem you are fricked from actual 3 letter agencies targeting you.
The first advice anyone should give about secure smarphones is A. Don't use them. and B. If you have to use them minimize that use to the absolute fricking necessary. Not go consoom X product. Intel IME and AMD PSP are bad enough but at least they are not your pocket 24/7.
Everything in this post is wrong. Other than the hated one being a pants on head moron.
Getting an interview with one of the devs was fine though, since the relevant content was the dev talking.
>Everything in this post is wrong.
>Doesn't elaborate.
Sometimes I really hate this board. IQfytards act like there is some kind of communally shared esoteric knowledge, winking and agreeing/disgreeing with each other while simultaneously having no idea what anyone is talking about.
What is your threat model anon. Having a private device that’s not constantly sending data to google/apple etc is quite a different threat than worlds governments and secret agents trying to catch you. It seems like you’re too autistic for this board.
>obligatory kys
Where did I imply that my threat model is escaping an active manhunt by Mossad? Am I autistic for saying that there is something off with trying to avoid google profiling by buying google devices and not even having root access to them? A little paranoid maybe, but hey, that's the environment now.
Having root or not has absolutely nothing to do with privacy. In fact, it's detrimental to security, which could affect your privacy.
>Having root or not has absolutely nothing to do with privacy.
Having control over my software means I have more control over my device which means I have more control over my privacy. Yes that means I can frick up and compromise it as well but that tradeoff is implied with any kind of freedom. Relinquishing ownership, effectively, for extra security on a personal device just feels like a bad idea to me.
>letting apps easily gain extremely high privileges is good for my ~~*privacy*~~ and ~~*security*~~
0/20 bait
Have you never run a program with administrator privileges on windows or with sudo on Linux? Was it the end of the world?
Frick i don't know. If the pinephone ever leaves beta I don't see why not. Hardware switches are a dream. Diversification of who gets your info is a good idea imho. I just find it highly sus that the "most private and secure phone" just happens to be a Google device. No phone is probably the best but we are constantly strong-armed into caring them with us all the time, even phasing feature phones out. Any de-googled device with no gapps or even micro-g is fine as long as you use it minimally and you don't carry it around all the time. A faraday phone case is probably a good idea also.
>Have you never run a program with administrator privileges on windows or with sudo on Linux?
Not the same thing moron
Enlighten me. How can a random app wrestle root control in my unlocked android device?
Why don't you first decide on the rom and then get the phone from the supported list? Why do you have to do it backwards.
>Enlighten me. How can a random app wrestle root control in my unlocked android device?
It's pretty easy
https://muzikant-android.blogspot.com/2011/02/how-to-get-root-access-and-execute.html
That will pop up a dialog you have to confirm first.
>what's clickjacking
>be moronic and install gloware
>give it accessibility permission
>give it "draw over other apps" permission
>mfw
>what are vulnerabilities
Relevant examples?
>those things will get enabled automatically after reboot and leak your data before you disable them
No, they won't.
What usable device would you recommend then?
>inb4 pinephone
>inb4 no phone
Any phone that lets you unlock the bootloader is fine in theory. For best results check for ROM support, but nowadays GSI will probably just work.
So, the pixel?
If you like the hardware it's fine, I guess. I prefer Xiaomi, but I usually go for cheaper mid-tier devices.
Works on my phone :).
>Enlighten me. How can a random app wrestle root control in my unlocked android device?
It can't. He's just talking out of his ass.
>get random phone/pinephone with unlockable bootloader
>no roms
>find pajeet rom on xda
>bugs? You tell me (:
>random crashes
>camera stops working
>b-but it works for me anon!!
Not gonna take any more bait from you morons
>kys
>Force people to consume spyware
>Goys release a program that eliminate it
>Profit
>not a single updated phone witth no cameras
frick you phones
suck my dick.
>we totally don't have backdoors bro just trust us bro
>backdoors according to who
>I prefer Xiaomi, but I usually go for cheaper mid-tier devices
Yeah, keep buying half a dozen $1k pieces of shit you can't even root that you throw away every year while I keep using a single $300 phone in that time.
>all it takes to leak your location is a single missclick
Just remove the airplane button from the panel if you're that clumsy. And why do you leave GPS enabled?
>clickjack to disable airplane mode, that's some shitty security
Don't install malware and give it permissions? How do you even get something like that on your phone?
>Yeah, keep buying half a dozen $1k pieces of shit you can't even root that you throw away every year while I keep using a single $300 phone in that time
An IPhone is supported for at least 6-7 years, keep coping andropajeet
>Don't install malware and give it permissions? How do you even get something like that on your phone?
Not my fault if the built-in pajeet store is riddled with malware
>An IPhone is supported for at least 6-7 years, keep coping andropajeet
Yeah, my decade old phone also still gets the newest ROMs. It's still not really usable any more because it's underpowered.
>the built-in pajeet store
lmao
>just having GSM connectivity lets glowBlack folk track your location with 3 meters of accuracy
Turn off the SIM. Turn off the modem.
>also you can't even re-install OS because freshly installed one will have airplane mode off
So maybe my network provider knows where I was for a few seconds when I flashed a ROM a few months ago. I turn on the SIM to get Internet outside way more often than that.
>basically phones are designed to share your location by default and you have to make sure to always enforce offline mode which was designed to be temporary
Airplane mode is about as temporary as the WiFI or GPS toggle. If you turn it on, it stays on.
>SIMs don't have processors
They can run Java programs, so they most likely do.
GPS has nothing to do with it, just having GSM connectivity lets glowBlack folk track your location with 3 meters of accuracy
also you can't even re-install OS because freshly installed one will have airplane mode off
basically phones are designed to share your location by default and you have to make sure to always enforce offline mode which was designed to be temporary
I'll stick to making calls on my landline, where they don't know my location.
Alright anon, help me out here.
I got a Pixel 4a, but it's Verizon so the bootloader is locked. What are my options to make this more secure now that custom ROMs aren't an option?
https://inteltechniques.com/blog/2022/01/14/the-privacy-security-osint-show-episode-246/
all it takes to leak your location is a single missclick or clickjack to disable airplane mode, that's some shitty security