>Be social outcast teenager in 90s/00s
>Computers are our solace
>Invevitably become knowledgeable with computers
>Study Computer Science
>Nothing but other social outcasts and autists
>Escape the bullies
>Tech jobs start paying more
>Low IQ bullies start flooding CS
>All online tech discussions go to shit
>No one cares about programming
>Coworkers are all young bro no coders
>Layoffs start happening
>Dudebro nocoders getting laid off
>CS students are full of seethe
>All online tech forums are full of seething nocoders
>People get angry at the very mention of CS
It's all so tiresome, how long until these people are gone
Why I never recommend CS whenever I see a thread with a newbie. There are too many people that just go into it for the money. Hell you can tell who isn't meant for it just by the way they program. I have been haply with the AI hype, because maybe finally CS can stop being the hip job and some other profession can get hit by the flood of no passion societal drift wood. Honestly I kind of feel bad for electricians because I think they are next in line for it.
this but I never recommend anything good, in fact I actively recommend harmful things, like Linux Mint
I liked recommending arch back when it didn't have an installer. It was a good filter for people to realize that CS wasn't for them
>INB4 gentoo
That one is too well known as a filter you could get away with an arch recommendation and no one would bat an eye.
>Study
Most of these people can't study because they have no attention span. They just go to YouTube because they want a shortcut. The problem with YouTube tutorials is that they all want to game the algorithm and don't really care about teaching anything they just want their audience to get easy results so they keep watching. I think its part of the reason you see so many people asking what they should program. They just followed tutorials up to that point and are used to just being told what to do. I think when you learn the concepts naturally you just start to see how you want to apply them. I stopped recommending it because I honestly feel like it is better for everyone. They don't waste their time and money on a degree they are only chasing because they were told they would get easy jobs and I don't have to deal with them on my boards or deal with the consequences of them shitting up the job market by not knowing anything. The interviews used to be nice and now people want you to jump through all these stupid hoops. Damn ADHD buttholes.
just say ubuntu, it's an african word so it will send a message if they're intelligent enough
I like recommending the ones people will struggle with. Ubuntu isn't that hard to install. If they install it and are able to use it well enough they'll get the illusion they are competent. If you recommend something they have to tweak a bunch they'll realize what CS is and move to something else. If they are able to get past struggling then they probably actually will enjoy the major.
you seem to be more moronic than people that need to be gatekept from finding distros that just work, unlike ubuntu
Ubuntu isn't something they'll struggle with for their use case. They'll install it on a VM and probably mess around in the terminal a few times and feel like a hackerman. you keep wanting to recommend distros that hide all the choices, but that won't function as a filter. you don't need to read the manual to install Ubuntu.
it does function as a filter as while they're stuck in ubuntu complaining about ubuntu problems, my distro is untouched by their brain damage
>my distro
Then just recommend Slackware. Its not like it gets update enough for their b***hing to matter.
I'm trying to be useful to myself, not to waste everyones time with recommending trash that doesn't even work
>Useful to myself
I am trying to filter people out of CS only those with talent should remain.
Unironically just playing around with arch taught me a substantial amount about Linux that is probably partially what led to me making so much money eventually. But at the time, I just did it for fun, not for the pursuit of money. I learned a lot about OSX too just tweaking around with it and trying to get various distros running on my MacBook. But now, the other day, I watched one of our new hires struggle to even get an Ubuntu VM running. They didnt know what an iso file was, what a package manager was, nothing. Do kids not learn this stuff for fun anymore? I used to setup VMs as a kid just to run bots in various games. It's like they have no curiousity, man. It's kinda sad.
Honestly I mostly learned just by googling shit. I would end up reinstalling my computer for one reason or another and had to learn how it worked because I didn't want to keep asking my folks for help. After a while I just learned more and more. It kind of surprises me to see someone struggle to get a VM working because they are not that hard to work with. Although I am spoiled on QEMU.
>No curiosity
I think they are fricked by things like tiktok and reels. I think short form content just destroys peoples abilities to focus. Especially when they are handing out phones and ishit to 5 year olds.
>CS is bad
There was some fun stuff learnedat uni I loved learning about RTOS, operating systems, and scheduling when I was going.
>Group projects
I just learned not to appear to ambitious when I was in those. I would just join groups early and put in enough effort to not be a freeloader, but not too much where I got burdened with all the responsibility or ended up managing people.
>Getting brainwashed
Yeah I remember the cope about Ada being the first programmer. Which was laughably funny.
CS is for worthless people, I dropped out of university after realizing this first hand in group projects where I was the manager, the guy who knows how to use git properly, the guy who actually can program and the guy who gets blamed when something goes wrong because I'm the only one who ever actually accomplished anything.
You have no idea how liberating it was to just intentionally fail group project for everyone and frick off without elaborating. I had to recoup losses that my government incurrect from me failing to be brainwashed by the system but few hundred euros are worth my sanity, the only thing better than freedom is knowing that those shitters that I abandoned in the middle of the course have failed it because I wasn't here to carry them to the next term.
This must be feeling amazing. I had a case where it was only me doing the group project task, and going and presenting it by myself. Teacher knew the rest of my group were incompetent slackers, so he failed everyone but me.
It felt good. Ofc, my social status went down after that, but who gives a frick
my social status was already in the shitter since I was like 12 and testosterone in my blood prevented me from giving a frick about anyone having an opinion about shit I don't care about
there's nothing that I learned in university in less than 2 years that I didn't learn better at home when I actually needed it
>nothing I didn't learn at university
It was kind of nice for the stuff you don't know to look up or book suggestions, but honestly I couldn't say it was worth the money.
universities are just bootcamps for companies looking for autists who will work for free for 2 years before graduating and finally receiving minimum wage instead, if you didn't get 2 years of experience before graduating you failed in life and you will never get your 4 years back
>Get two years experience
I was doing internship because I needed the money for college so I didn't really have trouble once I got out.
>Dumb take
This is literally what happened to me when I took automata. That class was so cool and implementing the different types of automata was really fun. I liked playing with it and making parsers even if they weren't exactly production ready. If you never got that feeling then I would argue you didn't really have a passion for the field.
>They're not the latest and greatest
Sure, but they're a stable job and make great pay. The AI hype with things like devin and ChatGPT are scaring the normies so they are looking for another profession that they can get those things from. I feel like nursing is popular, but its better at filtering people by forcing everyone to have basically perfect GPAs to get into medical school.
Maybe I was lucky, but there were a couple actually very talented professors at my school who taught me a lot. But these were typically senior or graduate level courses. I learned a lot about parallel computing, CUDA, and binary security/reverse engineering that I may not have learned on my own. The remaining 80% of my professors were laughably incompetent however. I'd say it was worth it overall honestly, but that's mainly because I went to a really cheap university to begin with.
> I think its part of the reason you see so many people asking what they should program. They just followed tutorials up to that point and are used to just being told what to do. I think when you learn the concepts naturally you just start to see how you want to apply them.
Thats a pretty stupid take, learning data structures and algorithms doesnt magically make you come up with project ideas.. smart people who learned at university and not on youtube can also ask for project ideas for inspiration and new ideas, not everyone wants to be an entrepreneur, some people just want a challenge and look for fun stuff to work on, asking for help doesnt make you a indian youtube enjoyer
>Thats a pretty stupid take, learning data structures and algorithms doesnt magically make you come up with project ideas
NTA but people who are interested in a field are seldom interested in "knowing" stuff, but "doing" stuff
People who teach themselves programming out of interest seldom ever formally learn data structures or algorithms, but just experiment and glue shit together until something works. Its is only a side effect of the process that they learn anything
cool larp lil Timmy but as an adult if I'm solving a problem I'm solving it fast and that usually includes writing specialized data structure for particular problem to go very fast.
DSA freaks can rarely program outside of leetcode.
> People who teach themselves programming out of interest seldom ever formally learn data structures or algorithms
Somehoe even dumber take
We do learn dsa you idiot we would be worthless without it
You guys sound pretty dumb or just not very interested in programming. No one gives a frick what data structure or algorithm you use to do something
Also referring to writing a program as "solving a problem" is a sign of absolute moronation, and terminal academia cancer. People who find programming and computers fun don't say "I'm solving a problem", they say "yeah I'm trying to do X or Y" or just "yeah I'm fricking around for fun"
Don't lie, you guys learned to program because your hick uncle said it'll get you huge bucks
>DSA freaks can rarely program outside of leetcode.
Very true. They never make anything of note either. Most programmers who do stuff for fun always end up making much better things.
cool inferiority complex lil Timmy, keep seething
I'm cool as a cucumber bud
I make cool shit 24/7, I don't need a degree or a job to make cool stuff. I was doing it before I went to univ or even middle school and I'll keep doing it when I'm 80
Get into a field you love and you won't work a day in your life. Its all true
>People who find programming and computers fun don't say "I'm solving a problem"
here
Not an academiagay but I still say solving problems because solving problems is genuinely fun. I also say "yeah I'm trying to do X or Y" and "yeah I'm fricking around for fun" too but in different contexts. Solving problems, made up ones you designed yourself is fun.
I remember I was trying to make a piano program for the SID on my C64 in machine code adjacent assembly with SMON and I started it in the "yeah I'm fricking around for fun" kinda way and built a program that just plays a note indefinitely after you press a key and until you press another.
Then I gradually built it up to handling 3 key inputs simultaneously, one of each channel on the SID, and playing each note for a time length ranging from atleast 1/6th of a second to as long as the key is pressed down. This was slightly more focused as in "yeah I'm trying to do X or Y" way.
But this was still awkward to play when you had to hit more than 3 keys or when you were using 3 keys but had to switch before the minimum note length of 1/6s for the earliest pressed key hadn't passed. And that's when you start to feel really strongly for it and it becomes a solving the problem sort of situation, and it's fun.
I don't remember if I actually built this final program because I never used it much atleast. But I definitely did solve on how I could do it, with a few compromises and that was very satisfying.
moronic
These "Data Structures" aren't some kind of divine knowledge blessed upon us by gods.
If you are genuinely interested and use computers to solve problems under constraints, you will discover and develop most standard algorithms and data structures by yourself.
It's when you genuinely want your software to work as fast as it can and then wrack your brains while you write it, go to sleep tired, and then suddenly wake up in the middle of the night with a major optimization idea, when you genuinely learn something because you discovered it from the ground up on your own accord.
There may be a few things that never occur to you. Like maybe while optimizing your sorting algorithms, you didn't discover merge sort or something. But, even then, once you feel confident and curious enough, and feel you have reached the limit of your own ideas, you can look up "fastest sorting algorithm" in a book or google or something. That is a great learning experience and allows you to have genuine mastery.
>People who teach themselves programming out of interest seldom ever formally learn...
Of course, teaching oneself is informal, not formal, brainlet
this has been my experience. you don't win any prizes for being a math nerd except the math nerd prize.
I use Linux mint and have written more software and designed more hardware than you have
doing negative amount of something is not possible
>in fact I actively recommend harmful things, like Linux Mint
what's wrong with linux mint?
I'm getting to that point too. I sometimes genuinely try to help people but what typically ends up happening is something like:
>Hey you should study the fundamentals first and work your way up
>Okay
>They then proceed to ignore my advice completely and follow YouTube tutorials and other 'shortcuts'
>They prioritize learning languages over programming principles
>They inevitably fall behind, never learn anything, can't do anything beyond a simple tutorial
>"Why did you tell me to do this anon this is your fault"
>"Anyone who says they enjoy CS or makes a high salary is just lying!"
I fricking hate these people so much it's unreal
you'd be more helpful if you told them to kill themselves if they cannot figure these things out on their own because that's literally how I learned these things
I once told someone to read the source code since the answer I gave him didn't make sense to him, I got a "flow down" a complaint was levied against me.
I still consider this a good thing to this day and cucks who can't code will continue to seethe.
Holy shit this is me trying to help my buddy. Instead of just using a tried and true way of learning like reading a textbook, he watches YouTube tutorials and pays these random influencers for their expensive programming courses/bootcamps. He still only knows the absolute basics years later. He also gets really mad and uppity when he has trouble finding a SWE job and is extremely entitled in a weird way.
>Honestly I kind of feel bad for electricians because I think they are next in line for it.
I doubt that.
>Honestly I kind of feel bad for electricians because I think they are next in line for it.
Unlikely, Electricians are semi manual workers with a higher skill requirement than CS for many niches. Plus, they're not the 'latest and greatest' or 'the future' in the cattle's eyes, but an established ancient job. It's by far the most normie proof field imaginable.
I do both soft computer work and circuit design/general electrical engineering and no normalgay cares about the latter even with the collapse of codemonkey jobs.
Moderation is supposed to handle that. Unfortunately, they are the bullies.
They go to uni, thinking they're going to learn, but they barely do. Then they enter the workforce with no skills.
All of us mastered dbms from hoarding porn and data in our early teens while these "students" can't even handle the basics.
>All of us mastered dbms from hoarding porn and data in our early teens while these "students" can't even handle the basics.
unironically never underestimate the horny nerd. he will accomplish greater things than any actual “professional”
Black person, I've begun debugging ASM and I haven't even done a day of CS.
I once talked to a CS/Software Engineer that didn't know what a syscall was.
That's when I realised Uni is a meme/gatekeeping and nothing more.
This thread is basically me and I am sorry. I have tried to change multiple times but run out of drive because I don't have any passion for anything.
Just doing the bare minimum all day and it is boring as hell. At least I haven't bullied anyone I guess.
All tech work is service work. You build things for other people.
Become a manager and tell other people what to do, or make enough money to frick off to a little house on a lake somewhere and quit dealing with them.
>teenager in 90s/00s
It's so over
I wanna go back, I miss it so much
>muh hecking exclusive field full of troons, dumb spergs and social morons
>please keep normal people out of muh hecking discord fielderino!
Shut the frick up you coping moron.
If they truly are as dumb as you say, they'd get filtered the frick out by calculus or algorithms, yet they graduate and get jobs.
If they didn't care about the field, they'd be crushed under the huge pressure of the tech market and its ridiculous expectations, so that shouldn't be a problem for you.
If you were truly smart, you'd detect patterns around you and work on what makes other people likable.
If you were truly interested in CS and expected a higher skill floor, you wouldn't be stuck doing some cuckdesk/cuckmonkey/CRUD cuck """job""" and would be in academia, paid industry research or in other hard science fields where """le normies""" will have a really hard time staying at, save for.
Get the frick off 4cheddit and stop being a tranime/redditsoy bibyogames/reddit frog obsessed homosexual.
Why are zoom zooms so hostile?
I'm 35 and have 15yoe, dumbass.
But your last post reeks of a 15 year old with 35 minutes experience watching YouTube tutorials and reading reddit posts
Yeah, a 15yo would shit on Discord.
Get off 4cheddit.
I remember being young, edgy, and full of hormones. God bless, anon.
Ok
I don't have to reminisce about being intelligent as I still am.
Oh you think you're intelligent? Name every x86 opcode.
Friends don't let friends do CISC.
>full of hormones
yeah, estrogen, queer
Imagine having a perception of the world like this
Imagine hating everyone all the time. all your entire life was filled with hate and social rejection.
Half of the autists on this site wouldn't even come here if they couldn't ramble about how everyone but them is a moron.
But the point of this thread is that the nerds found their own happy place in life. They are not resentful. It is the new people, the zoomers, who are flooding CS chasing desires of the flesh, and when they don't get it, are perpetuating their hatred throughout the entire field.
>happy place in life
>I HATE EVERYON I WANT TO BE ALONE!!
lol kek how old are you sad frick, you're probably closer to 40s now and still acting like this
a complete wasted life. sad
You worked hand in hand with global capital to hollow out other areas of the economy. Don't be surprised when the same thing happens to you.
I was so shy and awkward I couldn't even make friends in the computer programming class so I dropped out
Attempted uni twice, dropped out the first time and got through it the second time
Remember my first attempt there was some really cute girl who had a pokemon backpack that I wish I talked to
>making CS your personality
I only did CS because I'm naturally good at it and it was the path of least resistance. You did CS because you'd get bullied in every other field.
>It's all so tiresome, how long until these people are gone
soon brother, inshallah.
>gatekeeping trooner science
lmao
you're surrounded by morons because that's what you are
t. seething mentally ill moron who can't even fake being a computer science for a paying office job
Black person i have 13yoe and i work with ML, what the frick are you even talking about? you're the one b***hing about "muh le people are not socially moronic anymore" as if that was even an advantage on a corporate setting
inject lead into your brain to cure your autism
>Black person i have 13yoe and i work with ML
ok nocoder. go back.
True nerds get out of the grid entirely these days. The net became just another extension of the system
>how long until these people are gone
You know what you must do...