Becoming a chad

I decided to become a stoic. You can seethe and cope but I only feel apatheia towards that because it is not in my control. I live according to logos which is good and will give me greatness. Greatness is my opportunity to project virtue and nobody can take that from me no matter how much he tries.

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    K.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >stoic
    >great
    moron. The great men of history were great feelers, they were primarily feelers, men of immense sensibility. Stoics have made relatively little impression compared to the men in history who felt deeply.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Marcus, Seneca, Cato, Socrates and Stockdale would disagree with you

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hitler, Alexander of Macedonia and Jesus Christ would disagree with you.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I would argue that all great men had Stoic character that made them great especially in the begging of every civilisation. People like Scaevola, Aeneas. In myth of Hercules his stoic qualities are very important. There is a contrast between Homer's and Hesiod's ideals but according to myth when they competed in poetry masses voted for Homer but nobility preferred Hesiod's work for his insistence for more stoic qualities.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            What exactly does stoic mean to you?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Living according to reason of logos. That means doing good for yourself, family, country and finally humanity. Stoics think that is most natural thing a man can do. If you encounter hardship and don't feel happy you disregard it and continue working for reason. You should put only worth in acting according to reason. Everything else is irrelevant and outside of your control.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            what's bad is bad, and not to be loved in order to make it tolerable; the horribleness of the truly horrible is to be relished for what it is. that's the only way to recover one's authenticity.

            living according to logos is the trek away from honesty.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Hitler
          Caused the death of millions then blew his own brains out.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            still more famous than santa claus

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous
      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Literally who

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          All great men with large and prosperous families.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >reddit et al. would disagree with you
        Okay.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why do stoictroons worship one of the most mediocre emperors the Roman empire ever had?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. I prefer the ruins of Classical civilization more than its actual course. I prefer the vast expanse of nature and her unconquerable, eternal domain to the vain, crumbling stonework of man.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >gets lost and passes away
        Its always the people who talk like this about nature that have no fricking clue

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >he says this as he adopts a thespian authorial tone only hear in cities
        the irony

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its pronounced stoic

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Its pronounced stoyk.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    In Slav, standing is spelled 'stoiec', so being stoic literally means to stand, to be stoic, to stand ernstly and not abandoning the position you are standing at.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Someone watched Bridge of Spies recently

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

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    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Very nice I like Hadot the most and I don't like modern adaptations very much

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stoicism is the weakest philosophy imaginable. Its the rejection of feeling because your afraid of pain

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Stoic will acknowledge his pain but he will not assent to the thought that it is bad. Only thing that is bad is not acting according to a reason everything else is irrelevant.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Stoicism is the weakest philosophy imaginable
      I would say it takes incredible mental strength to not let everything you experience upset you and be ruled by your own emotions instead of rational thought. Self control is not weakness but the opposite, it also takes humility and intelligence to realize it's your own judgements what mainly harm you not the things what may happen, because responsible for your own beliefs and actions is not weakness. Getting upset over everything, blaming others for your feelings, and living in a state of ignorance is weakness.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Not being a stoic doesn't mean you have no control over yourself

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I know, but you are less likely to generally, Stoicism is just an ancient explanation of how the human mind works, and has survived because what they taught was mostly correct. People do for example, get distraught because they place value in external things and people, rather than their own faculty of reason.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        A healthy person balances his emotions and his rationality, one is not superior to the other. That's my main issue with stoicism is that it makes out emotions to be a bad thing

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Emotions have their place in the universe as we evolved emotions were very useful for us. Animals that don't have capacity for reason would perish without emotions. But we as humans are on higher level and have reason as superior tool for regulating our actions. That means when emotion and reason is in conflict you ought to choose reason

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            But how often are emotions and reason in conflict? Like obviously if I see an attractive woman on the street I don't immediately run up and try to have sex with them, that's basic self control I mean I don't just act on every desire I ever have, I figure the best way of going about achieving that desire in my head. So that's basically making rationality a servant of desire

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            But maybe your desire is having a lot of casual sexo. It is often not in the best interest of you your family and country. In casual sex children are often not produced because of contraception or if they are produced with some bad specimen just because of sexors that children are often dead ends because of lack of care and other problems. So most natural and reasonable thing would be to instead use your energies to produce children only in family that has potential to be healthy prosperous good for you extended family and country. There is desire in stoicism but to do what is most natural and according to logos.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >That's my main issue with stoicism is that it makes out emotions to be a bad thing
          Which ancient Stoic says emotions are a bad thing and that all of them should be avoided?, they say anger should be avoided because generally it is destructive rather than constructive, but they never say we should avoid positive emotions.

          Emotions are simply the result of the judgements we make about things, Stoics never said we will never feel them, just that we should think rationally before we decide to act or not act.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes there is also the stoic method that helps you with that. First you need logic with it you can see what is and what is not in your control. Secondly you need to accept rational logos that rules the universe this is most challenging step for most people. I don't like modern adaptation of stoicism because they rejected this step and they accept undetermined and random universe. But if you read stoic doctrine you will realize that everything happens for a reason and universe is determined and good. Spinoza is not always viewed as a stoic but he explains this increadebly well. Third step is doing what is most natural for you that means working for your family, country and finally for humanity as a whole.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Isn't this just how intelligent well rounded people act anyway?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes it is rational but lot of people are not born with it. That is where stoicism can help. I don't deny that there were people who acted like that but didn't heard of stoicism

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a stoic as well. I sleep on the floor, take cold showers and let my gf have sex with other men.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You shouldn't let your girlfriend have sex with others if you can stop it but if you can't you shouldn't cry and chimp. You also should not kill her or her lover because it will sent you to jail so you, your family and country will be worse off

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I sleep on the floor
      That is a Cynic trait, not a Stoic one.
      >take cold showers
      Showers didn't even exist when the Stoics were relevant, and none of them say you cannot use warm water.
      >let my gf have sex with other men
      A person who lives in ignorance would do that whether you like it or not, and just because Marcus Aurelius tolerated it doesn't mean others would, most people would just shrug realize this is what people do, leave her and move on.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Marcus forgave but it is not universally accepted that he tolerated it. There is a story that I read somewhere you can check it but I think it was good source. His woman liked gladiators, so he asked priests what he should do about it. They said that he should make the gladiator she desired and his wife have sex and when sex started they killed him and bathed her in his blood

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          From the Historia Augusta i think, and it's generally viewed as a unreliable source.

          I'm not sure Marcus was seen as some major philosopher either until recently, i would be more interested in how someone like Epictetus generally lived.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I like Epictetus he freed himself from slavery got his own school and was very respected. Only problem I have with him is that he refused to have wife and children. He always advised his students to do that but for some reason he didn't. Later he adopted child from his friend who died.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            He may not of been able to look after one properly, considering he was supposedly a cripple, and i think he had woman to help him look after the child he adopted.

            Why do stoictroons worship one of the most mediocre emperors the Roman empire ever had?

            I don't really, while meditations is interesting i don't find it to be some earth shatteringly amazing book, it's kind of too vague for someone to try and understand Stoicism for the first time too, as it's his work book/journal. I admire people more like Socrates and Diogenes.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you want to be a chad
    >Learn Latin and Greek
    >Lift weights
    >Read Nietzsche (this will give you a better mindset)
    You will look good, appear interesting (because of Latin and Greek), and be in the right "chad" frame of mind

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Lift weights
      slave behaviour

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        dyel spotted

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          don't have to i'm not 5'9

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i just decided to be one too after semi reading your post

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I decided to become a stoic. You can seethe and cope
    why would I? you are the one that decided to cope 24/7

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    stoicism seems like a cope for autismos who already have super diminished feeling for absolutely everything except model trains

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