Toni Morrison is fine, I guess. Better than Maya Angelou by a mile. I can't stand that woman's writing.
Off the top of my head:
>James Weldon Johnson >James Baldwin >Richard Wright >Zora Neale Hurston >August Wilson
These are, in my opinion, some of the best ones I've ever read.
https://i.imgur.com/c5cusIx.jpg
>In terms of literary inspirations, hip-hop’s got to be number one, and I’m talking above actual literature. Aesthetically, it defines how I try to write. You really have to think hard about every single word. Probably a hundred years from now people will look back on something like Illmatic, some of that Wu-Tang stuff, some of the Kendrick stuff, some of the other stuff, and they’re just going to be like, “Holy hell.” You’re talking some of the greatest wordsmiths of our age.
Coates is so laughably bad at his job. Everything he's ever written is awful.
>In terms of literary inspirations, hip-hop’s got to be number one, and I’m talking above actual literature. Aesthetically, it defines how I try to write. You really have to think hard about every single word. Probably a hundred years from now people will look back on something like Illmatic, some of that Wu-Tang stuff, some of the Kendrick stuff, some of the other stuff, and they’re just going to be like, “Holy hell.” You’re talking some of the greatest wordsmiths of our age.
I've read enough posts to know that black people really think Kendrick and Jay-Z are Shakespeare and Milton. Even on Youtube you can find black people scrutinizing a Jay-Z or Kendrick lyric as if there are 5 layers of meaning underneath.
For example, in the story of OJ, Jay-Z gives financial advice: save your money and invest. This blows the mind of numerous African American youtubers. It's as if they discovered quantum theory.
I am fascinated by this like a parent when they watch their children play pretend. I watch these 98 IQ people with a wry smile on my face. I feel like Darwin when he first started recording his observations.
Believe it or not, the blacks have the same attitude towards white people. They are fascinated by the Taylor Swift cult for example. "What do the white see in this mediocre white lady? Why is she worshiped like a god?" They are like explorers stumbling upon an uncontacted tribe
>They are fascinated by the Taylor Swift cult for example. "What do the white see in this mediocre white lady? Why is she worshiped like a god?" They are like explorers stumbling upon an uncontacted tribe
I must be black along with 98% of all men in the World.
i wouldn't worry too much about it
it's a story first book, not a prose-first one
the prose in general is quite simplistic and dreadful in parts, even in the original french
i need help
i want to watch something like borderlands but i'm not sure what to get that's similar
basically something that has spooky unexplained things but no killers/monsters
any ideas? i've watched stuff like paranormal activity, blair witch, etc.
Person with at least one ancestor who had dark skin and was born in Africa after 1550?
gringos gatekeep whiteness, nobody's really white except for some pale losers in nordic countries
1 month ago
Anonymous
Lmao white just means: to originate from Europe, you dumbass.
Since we all share the same ancestors on varying degrees
1 month ago
Anonymous
>if you have more white than black ancestors, you're black
makes no sense
1 month ago
Anonymous
Lmao white just means: to originate from Europe, you dumbass.
Since we all share the same ancestors on varying degrees
makes no sense to me either
I'm just following whatever was defined in the thread
would you rather rephrase the definition of black as in "mostly descendent from africans", or "mostly african traits"? maybe something along the lines of "non-white"? do pardos/mullatos count as black?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Exactly. Not "black", mulatto/pardo. He completely focused on European culture btw.
>best >black writer
Idk it sounds like an oxymoron to me.
I mean, has there been any SSA who wrote something meaningful and culturally impactful, besides "muh racismus", "muh buckbrocken ancestors", etc... And even those whitewashed authors based their writings on the back of all the great European minds. >"... has published extensively on the recognition of African-American literature as part of the Western canon."
It's even more kino when some of them even want to be included in the western canon.
If you consider any American books in the Western canon then that necessarily includes African Americans, considering they've been there as long as any white person. What do you expect from a people that have been in chains for some 250 years followed by another 100 of social oppression? Probably going to be a good amount of authors talking about that experience, dumbass.
Here are some actual authors for those who read and aren't pol-brained leftovers who don't actually read/study any of the canon or any books for that matter.
Samuel Delaney - Dhalgren (weirdo sci-fi, very violent and sexual)
Leon Forrest - Divine Days (post-modern tome, in the vein of recognitions, gravity's rainbow, etc.)
Israel Reed - Mumbo Jumbo (Harold Bloom's favorite)
Dambudzo Marechera - The House of Hunger (underrated Zimbabwe writer)
Frant Fanon - The Wretched of the Earth (non-fiction)
Colson Whitehead - The Intuitionist (contemporary but p good)
James Baldwin - Collected Essays (his speeches are just as good)
>If you consider any American books in the Western canon
European-American yes. >What do you expect from a people that have been in chains for some 250 years followed by another 100 of social oppression?
I'm talking about SSA in general, not only AAs. Europeans were sailing the high seas, while they didn't even have writing systems. Even as of right now, some African tribes still have no idea what a pen and a paper is. Quite grim >Here are some actual authors
Still kinda proving my point about (most of) them not being able to create and only following western/white writing writing stuff sprinkled with some "muh racismus".
I kek so hard when I hear the word afro-futurism or when you see articles lile: "let's decolonize the sci-fi genre" "the whitness of fantasy settings" lmao
>Frant Fanon - The Wretched of the Earth (non-fiction)
Fanon was an actual, literal incel who was cucked by some Frenchman and devoted his life to justifying horrific violence against Europeans and literally anyone else that has ever "oppressed." He is the single most overrated "revolutionary" author anyone could suggest. Why were the French even in Algeria to begin with, Frantz?
>What do you expect from a people that have been in chains for some 250 years followed by another 100 of social oppression?
Sure, dude. Hey, look at the Russians. 1,000 years of serfdom followed by 70 years of Communism punctuated with Nazi occupation. That's why Russian authors never came up with a great universal literature, and instead write about nothing but the trauma of being serfs once upon a time. >Delaney Forrest etc,
See, this is the whole problem of affirmative action in literature. Yeah, there are fine and interesting black writers. Not 'Dambudzo Marechera,' ferchrissake, but Reed and Baldwin are solid. So is Charles Johnson, Chester Himes, a few others, But they're all second-tier. Baldwin is no Montaigne, just like Chester Himes isn't Raymond Chandler. They're good, and worth reading, but the fact remains that the heights are populated by white males, period--Plato, Homer, Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, Milton and Shakespeare, Dickens and Shaw and so on. Maybe one day there'll be a black guy in the Pantheon, but it hasn't happen yet, and it'll never happen if all black writers do is whine about having a black ass and a great-grandfather who got it kicked by some white man. They need to stop writing about the black condition and start writing about the human condition.
>How far does the one drop rule goes? >Only his Great-grandfather was black the rest of his ancestry comes from Europe.
This. The one-drop rule used to mean that one drop disqualities you. Now it's one drop makes Pushkin and Dumas as African as a Zulu warrior. If they're 95% white and 100% raised in white cultures, give whiteness the bulk of the credit.
define black
Person with at least one ancestor who had dark skin and was born in Africa after 1550?
so mulattoes, quadroons, and octaroons are black?
quintroons, mustiphinis, musteefino, and even thekaexiroons too
Well in that case, Walt Whitman, Ernest Hemingway and. Thomas Hardy
And Thomas Mann
not black
Bob Kauffman
Solitudes Crowded With Loneliness is great
People here don't read anything beyond their pol slop
Recc me some fun stuff
Toni Morrison is fine, I guess. Better than Maya Angelou by a mile. I can't stand that woman's writing.
Off the top of my head:
>James Weldon Johnson
>James Baldwin
>Richard Wright
>Zora Neale Hurston
>August Wilson
These are, in my opinion, some of the best ones I've ever read.
Coates is so laughably bad at his job. Everything he's ever written is awful.
>In terms of literary inspirations, hip-hop’s got to be number one, and I’m talking above actual literature. Aesthetically, it defines how I try to write. You really have to think hard about every single word. Probably a hundred years from now people will look back on something like Illmatic, some of that Wu-Tang stuff, some of the Kendrick stuff, some of the other stuff, and they’re just going to be like, “Holy hell.” You’re talking some of the greatest wordsmiths of our age.
I've read enough posts to know that black people really think Kendrick and Jay-Z are Shakespeare and Milton. Even on Youtube you can find black people scrutinizing a Jay-Z or Kendrick lyric as if there are 5 layers of meaning underneath.
For example, in the story of OJ, Jay-Z gives financial advice: save your money and invest. This blows the mind of numerous African American youtubers. It's as if they discovered quantum theory.
I am fascinated by this like a parent when they watch their children play pretend. I watch these 98 IQ people with a wry smile on my face. I feel like Darwin when he first started recording his observations.
Believe it or not, the blacks have the same attitude towards white people. They are fascinated by the Taylor Swift cult for example. "What do the white see in this mediocre white lady? Why is she worshiped like a god?" They are like explorers stumbling upon an uncontacted tribe
>They are fascinated by the Taylor Swift cult for example. "What do the white see in this mediocre white lady? Why is she worshiped like a god?" They are like explorers stumbling upon an uncontacted tribe
I must be black along with 98% of all men in the World.
Man is the Black person of the world.
If I ever want to learn how to loot the Nike store I will be sure to consult with the coloreds
Without a doubt
looks white
so does the average american Black compared to proper african blacks
What is best English translation for Count?
I think the common consensus is the one by Robin Buss but I'm not sure, in any case it's the one I have and it reads great
Thanks Ill try that now.
i wouldn't worry too much about it
it's a story first book, not a prose-first one
the prose in general is quite simplistic and dreadful in parts, even in the original french
Thanks as well I read Les Mis with few translations until I settled on Norman MacAfee I dont want to do that for this.
alexandree dumbass
Pic related if you are into pulp/ crime.
Alexander dumas is the only Black person worth reading but thats because he barely was one.
i need help
i want to watch something like borderlands but i'm not sure what to get that's similar
basically something that has spooky unexplained things but no killers/monsters
any ideas? i've watched stuff like paranormal activity, blair witch, etc.
woops, wrong board and wrong thread
You don't need horror to feel something. You need God
no thanks rabbi
Is that him?
the GOAT, Machado de Assis
This is a thread about Black writers, not the whitest Brazilian man in history
he was black though
both his parents were mixed
another fantastic black brazilian writer was the great Lima Barreto
>he was black though
pardo, not black.
see:
gringos gatekeep whiteness, nobody's really white except for some pale losers in nordic countries
Lmao white just means: to originate from Europe, you dumbass.
Since we all share the same ancestors on varying degrees
>if you have more white than black ancestors, you're black
makes no sense
makes no sense to me either
I'm just following whatever was defined in the thread
would you rather rephrase the definition of black as in "mostly descendent from africans", or "mostly african traits"? maybe something along the lines of "non-white"? do pardos/mullatos count as black?
Exactly. Not "black", mulatto/pardo. He completely focused on European culture btw.
Kant
>CoLoRS!
Without a doubt, at least for English.
>best
>black writer
Idk it sounds like an oxymoron to me.
I mean, has there been any SSA who wrote something meaningful and culturally impactful, besides "muh racismus", "muh buckbrocken ancestors", etc... And even those whitewashed authors based their writings on the back of all the great European minds.
>"... has published extensively on the recognition of African-American literature as part of the Western canon."
It's even more kino when some of them even want to be included in the western canon.
If you consider any American books in the Western canon then that necessarily includes African Americans, considering they've been there as long as any white person. What do you expect from a people that have been in chains for some 250 years followed by another 100 of social oppression? Probably going to be a good amount of authors talking about that experience, dumbass.
Here are some actual authors for those who read and aren't pol-brained leftovers who don't actually read/study any of the canon or any books for that matter.
Samuel Delaney - Dhalgren (weirdo sci-fi, very violent and sexual)
Leon Forrest - Divine Days (post-modern tome, in the vein of recognitions, gravity's rainbow, etc.)
Israel Reed - Mumbo Jumbo (Harold Bloom's favorite)
Dambudzo Marechera - The House of Hunger (underrated Zimbabwe writer)
Frant Fanon - The Wretched of the Earth (non-fiction)
Colson Whitehead - The Intuitionist (contemporary but p good)
James Baldwin - Collected Essays (his speeches are just as good)
>If you consider any American books in the Western canon
European-American yes.
>What do you expect from a people that have been in chains for some 250 years followed by another 100 of social oppression?
I'm talking about SSA in general, not only AAs. Europeans were sailing the high seas, while they didn't even have writing systems. Even as of right now, some African tribes still have no idea what a pen and a paper is. Quite grim
>Here are some actual authors
Still kinda proving my point about (most of) them not being able to create and only following western/white writing writing stuff sprinkled with some "muh racismus".
I kek so hard when I hear the word afro-futurism or when you see articles lile: "let's decolonize the sci-fi genre" "the whitness of fantasy settings" lmao
>not being able to create and only following western/white writing writing stuff
nonsensical notion
>Frant Fanon - The Wretched of the Earth (non-fiction)
Fanon was an actual, literal incel who was cucked by some Frenchman and devoted his life to justifying horrific violence against Europeans and literally anyone else that has ever "oppressed." He is the single most overrated "revolutionary" author anyone could suggest. Why were the French even in Algeria to begin with, Frantz?
>What do you expect from a people that have been in chains for some 250 years followed by another 100 of social oppression?
Sure, dude. Hey, look at the Russians. 1,000 years of serfdom followed by 70 years of Communism punctuated with Nazi occupation. That's why Russian authors never came up with a great universal literature, and instead write about nothing but the trauma of being serfs once upon a time.
>Delaney Forrest etc,
See, this is the whole problem of affirmative action in literature. Yeah, there are fine and interesting black writers. Not 'Dambudzo Marechera,' ferchrissake, but Reed and Baldwin are solid. So is Charles Johnson, Chester Himes, a few others, But they're all second-tier. Baldwin is no Montaigne, just like Chester Himes isn't Raymond Chandler. They're good, and worth reading, but the fact remains that the heights are populated by white males, period--Plato, Homer, Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, Milton and Shakespeare, Dickens and Shaw and so on. Maybe one day there'll be a black guy in the Pantheon, but it hasn't happen yet, and it'll never happen if all black writers do is whine about having a black ass and a great-grandfather who got it kicked by some white man. They need to stop writing about the black condition and start writing about the human condition.
All homies here on IQfy post about is how society is conspiring against them and they are oppressed
The brilliant, articulate Thomas Sowell
Pushkin
How far does the one drop rule goes?
Only his Great-grandfather was black the rest of his ancestry comes from Europe.
>How far does the one drop rule goes?
>Only his Great-grandfather was black the rest of his ancestry comes from Europe.
This. The one-drop rule used to mean that one drop disqualities you. Now it's one drop makes Pushkin and Dumas as African as a Zulu warrior. If they're 95% white and 100% raised in white cultures, give whiteness the bulk of the credit.