why would you pay money for this book when it's probably one of the easiest books to pirate online or at a library
this book is not philosophy, it’s self help. you could argue maps of meaning is philosophy, albeit bad philosophy, but 12 rules for life is just basic self help shit for but written for pseuds
agreed it was okay and I give him credit for actually being in the trenches (practicing clinical psychiatrist) but it was bizarre how he would keep making Bible references and rant about it for pages and pages
>why would you pay money for this book when it's probably one of the easiest books to pirate online or at a library
Honestly because Peterson was very exciting at the time and it felt like being part of a movement that was happening
Yeah, that's what it feels like being part of a cult of personality. His ideas are pedestrian, even Contrapoints dunked on them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>that's what it feels like being part of a cult of personality.
I wasn't selling all my belongings and moving to a compound anon, I bought someone's book. >even Contrapoints dunked on them
I seriously doubt that
[...] >Thread is already offtopic
[...] >It was unironically the same as the first book, with the right wing and incel rhetoric toned down.
[...] >12 rules for life is just basic self help shit for but written for pseuds
[...] >a cult of personality. His ideas are pedestrian, even Contrapoints dunked on them.
The best thing about Peterson is that he makes terrible people seethe.
This. I stopped caring about him long, long ago but trannies are still constantly mad.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>This. I stopped caring about him long, long ago but trannies are still constantly mad.
Same. I collected some interesting ideas, a few things I hadn't considered before and some just well-articulated versions of things I had observed, and moved on.
But holy shit does the seethe persist.
Peterson is part of the atheist system. He has no solution to offer and he is a plant...Peterson is the kind of guy who writes self help books to convince himself that he has the right ideas about life, rather than to really help anyone else.
I ditched the 12 rules when he started talking about salvation through god, personally. it's a book by a man born in a society fashioned by atheists for 300 years, and indeed is a generic teacher bug in some atheist university after the atheists revived the greek one to larp and also to build some fake intellectuel lignage lol, and who got depressed and turned drug addict because ''his'' wife died and who's daughter turned as usual into a prostitute.
Fatherless 20 yo atheist men are so lost in life they would listen anybody telling them what to do , especially if the guy puts on some mild authoritative mask as an attempt to make people believe he knows what he's talking about lol. Anyway, his advice is limited to ''clean up your room'' ie what atheist parents have been saying for over 50 years because they have nothing else to say as part of their educative plans lol. His audience is of young white men wrapped around his finger, there is something coincidentally feminine about how he does this; essentially he says very little but a lot and he peppers it with hysterical breakdowns to arouse sympathy. Is Peterson an intentional homosexual gateway? The 'daddy figure' ...fricking hell...For those who don't know, the most IQfy book of all time is 12 Rules for Life. It embodies the core impulse of IQfy, which is traditional larping without any real life experience. That's why Jordan Peterson is considered a dad figure, because he embodies this pretend play spirit of false authenticity in his own life. He talks obsessively about war and conflict, while never having experienced it. He idolizes free market enterprise, while from a country with a very robust state sponsored welfare system and schooling system, which paid his salary. He obsesses over traditional values such as dignity and stoicism, while being a nervous wreck over the smallest things, such as having to delete a tweet.
Jordan Peterson is the right wing zeitgeist. A permanently triggered manchild who complains constantly how immature the dreaded esjaydubblejoes are..
>Peterson is part of the atheist system.
He is a product of it. More accurately, his popularity is a consequence of the cultural dominance of liberal, secular humanism and science in western media and education, the stultification of religious conservatives and cancer-like spread of authoritarian feminism and cultural marxism.
A whole generation of boys raised under this system were stuck in a limbo between secularists on one side and the religious conservatives on the other. Neither side could answer their questions. Secularism cannot provide the deep, robust life answers of a real religion while tradcons cannot speak the empirical language of scientific liberals even if they aren't obsessed with some irrelevant (to young men) issue like abortion. Many took solace in libertarianism but libertarians are often way too concerned with theoretical purity.
Jordan Peterson was in a unique position to reach these secular limbo-dwellers and disillusioned libertarians. He has modern scientific training and acceptable understanding useful subjects like evolution and statistics. His chosen field of psychology, his familiarity with relevant literature (Jung, Nietzsche, Milton) and his ability to speak passionately and persuasively about religion and morality in a positive, everyday light. He was not a useless New Atheist lolbertarian nor a granite-brained Creationist. He also rejected troony-feminist progressivism, embraced empirical thinking, explained religion in rational terms (rather than dogmatic or emotional) and promoted liberal individualism
Progressives hate him because they hate anything true.
Liberals hate him because they're brainwashed by progressives.
Schizos hate him because they think think he stands in the way of new recruits for hardcore, dogmatic traditionalism.
Nazis hate him because he refuses to blame the israelites.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>moved on >defends jbp in every jbp thread
now post the "he's not a druggie and his daughters not a bawd!" pasta
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why would I post that? He's a druggie and his daughter is a prostitute. You clearly have never seen me discuss peterson before so at this point you're just confirming that you're another mindless hater in the crowd, driven by 3rd order rhetoric.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>now post the "he's not a druggie and his daughters not a bawd!" pasta
Those pastas wrecked his critics but I like this one more:
>Peterson: it would be productive to involve men in the conversation about violence against women in a way that doesn't label masculinity as inherently negative >Libtard: so you're saying in order to make men care about rape women have to be returned to the status of men's property >Peterson: the rise of identitarianism is linked to reactionary politics that sublimate personal resentment into collectivistic extremism >Chud: so you're saying white people don't have group interests and therefore shouldn't exist >Peterson: transgender ideology specifically targets a group of people likely to be confused and open to mental pathologies via social contagion--we shouldn't give hormones to children let alone surgically mutilate minors >troony: so you're literal nazi saying we're a disease and we should be exterminated like one >Peterson: anonymity increases the likelihood of pathological behavior so perhaps one way to alleviate the negative repurcussions of its overall influence would be to segregate accounts on these specific widely used social media websites--it's definitely better than secret and selective control of the public narrative as it exists now >/pol/tard: so you're saying you want everyone everwhere to be tied to whatever they say and do at all times...I'm a freedom fighter [goes to another thread to post about AOC's butthole while writing "nig*er" 50 times]
Basically, Peterson will touch a nerve by simply pointing out something that is blatantly ignored in the way an ideological group frames an issue. He exposes ideological blindspots in a simple and straightforward way; this leads to the fellow travellors of whichever idea is being discussed having a breakdown and exposing themselves. He's valuable as a media personality if even for that reason alone
11 months ago
Anonymous
Lol
11 months ago
Anonymous
Lol
>only one person defends Peterson
Likely a minority but there are a few people around who aren't part of the reactionary pseud coalition that is libtard/troony/chud. Libtards sell out to anyone and trannies are used to "strangebed fellows" but it must be particularly odd for a chud to have any bedfellow at all. What a queer group.
this book is not philosophy, it’s self help. you could argue maps of meaning is philosophy, albeit bad philosophy, but 12 rules for life is just basic self help shit for but written for pseuds
I've stopped listening to him because I think I've got a handle on everything he has to say, and he doesn't have anything new to say. The most recent one was "internet anonymity bad, because trolls don't get whacked for their shit", which is pretty dumb. I also avoid listening to his podcast because I'm irritated by his voice, it turns out.
He is somewhat correct about internet trolls. We all live in a very strange time where you can say the most vile, evil things to someone and they don’t even know what you look like nor can they physically respond. It is laughable to think this produces a healthy society. Just because we are used to this phenomena does not mean it is in any way beneficial to either the sender or the recipient.
>The second book was much worse
It was unironically the same as the first book, with the right wing and incel rhetoric toned down.
Even Peterson is afraid of his fans.
>It was unironically the same as the first book, with the right wing and incel rhetoric toned down.
this book is not philosophy, it’s self help. you could argue maps of meaning is philosophy, albeit bad philosophy, but 12 rules for life is just basic self help shit for but written for pseuds
>12 rules for life is just basic self help shit for but written for pseuds
Yeah, that's what it feels like being part of a cult of personality. His ideas are pedestrian, even Contrapoints dunked on them.
>a cult of personality. His ideas are pedestrian, even Contrapoints dunked on them.
The best thing about Peterson is that he makes terrible people seethe.
Peterson is part of the atheist system. He has no solution to offer and he is a plant...Peterson is the kind of guy who writes self help books to convince himself that he has the right ideas about life, rather than to really help anyone else.
I ditched the 12 rules when he started talking about salvation through god, personally. it's a book by a man born in a society fashioned by atheists for 300 years, and indeed is a generic teacher bug in some atheist university after the atheists revived the greek one to larp and also to build some fake intellectuel lignage lol, and who got depressed and turned drug addict because ''his'' wife died and who's daughter turned as usual into a prostitute.
Fatherless 20 yo atheist men are so lost in life they would listen anybody telling them what to do , especially if the guy puts on some mild authoritative mask as an attempt to make people believe he knows what he's talking about lol. Anyway, his advice is limited to ''clean up your room'' ie what atheist parents have been saying for over 50 years because they have nothing else to say as part of their educative plans lol. His audience is of young white men wrapped around his finger, there is something coincidentally feminine about how he does this; essentially he says very little but a lot and he peppers it with hysterical breakdowns to arouse sympathy. Is Peterson an intentional homosexual gateway? The 'daddy figure' ...fricking hell...For those who don't know, the most IQfy book of all time is 12 Rules for Life. It embodies the core impulse of IQfy, which is traditional larping without any real life experience. That's why Jordan Peterson is considered a dad figure, because he embodies this pretend play spirit of false authenticity in his own life. He talks obsessively about war and conflict, while never having experienced it. He idolizes free market enterprise, while from a country with a very robust state sponsored welfare system and schooling system, which paid his salary. He obsesses over traditional values such as dignity and stoicism, while being a nervous wreck over the smallest things, such as having to delete a tweet.
Jordan Peterson is the right wing zeitgeist. A permanently triggered manchild who complains constantly how immature the dreaded esjaydubblejoes are..
Well, no one is neurotic just because, I think he allowed his women to dominate the frick out of him, while coping it away as a "push and pull relationship". I don't think there even is such a thing, there are either stable hierarchies or power struggles, and prolonged ones are costly.
>wife died
False >Daughter is a prostitute
according to 4chinz standards (if you have sex before marriage you are an irredeemable bawd) sure. Otherwise, one might notice she is happily married.
You have to take it for what it is, vulgarization of psychological and philosophical concept, neatly packaged. One of the best self help books for the little Raskolokovs/golems that roam the west
I tried reading this, but it's just a giant Bible studies book in disguise. The 12 rules are decent and all, but I get the point, the entire thing can be summarized as:
'People don't care about hard work and manning up anymore, you should change that for yourself'.
>the entire thing can be summarized as: >'People don't care about hard work and manning up anymore, you should change that for yourself'.
"They hated him for telling the truth."
>Philosophical >JBP
I used to like the guy before his benzo addiction turned him into a drooling moron in the Balkans. He is in no way a philosopher, his advice is incredibly simplistic and easy to understand as a layman. The conclusion he comes to are even pretty easy to reach, he's just got more time and sources to support what he's saying.
The second book was much worse
ya it was about relationships which is obviously irrelevant to most of his readers
>The second book was much worse
It was unironically the same as the first book, with the right wing and incel rhetoric toned down.
Even Peterson is afraid of his fans.
That doesn't make the first book any better than the slightly-above-mediocre piece of modern work it already is.
Bait thread
I bought this just as my enthusiasm for him was diminishing and now I have it on my bookshelf unread
why would you pay money for this book when it's probably one of the easiest books to pirate online or at a library
agreed it was okay and I give him credit for actually being in the trenches (practicing clinical psychiatrist) but it was bizarre how he would keep making Bible references and rant about it for pages and pages
>why would you pay money for this book when it's probably one of the easiest books to pirate online or at a library
Honestly because Peterson was very exciting at the time and it felt like being part of a movement that was happening
Yeah, that's what it feels like being part of a cult of personality. His ideas are pedestrian, even Contrapoints dunked on them.
>that's what it feels like being part of a cult of personality.
I wasn't selling all my belongings and moving to a compound anon, I bought someone's book.
>even Contrapoints dunked on them
I seriously doubt that
This. I stopped caring about him long, long ago but trannies are still constantly mad.
>This. I stopped caring about him long, long ago but trannies are still constantly mad.
Same. I collected some interesting ideas, a few things I hadn't considered before and some just well-articulated versions of things I had observed, and moved on.
But holy shit does the seethe persist.
>Peterson is part of the atheist system.
He is a product of it. More accurately, his popularity is a consequence of the cultural dominance of liberal, secular humanism and science in western media and education, the stultification of religious conservatives and cancer-like spread of authoritarian feminism and cultural marxism.
A whole generation of boys raised under this system were stuck in a limbo between secularists on one side and the religious conservatives on the other. Neither side could answer their questions. Secularism cannot provide the deep, robust life answers of a real religion while tradcons cannot speak the empirical language of scientific liberals even if they aren't obsessed with some irrelevant (to young men) issue like abortion. Many took solace in libertarianism but libertarians are often way too concerned with theoretical purity.
Jordan Peterson was in a unique position to reach these secular limbo-dwellers and disillusioned libertarians. He has modern scientific training and acceptable understanding useful subjects like evolution and statistics. His chosen field of psychology, his familiarity with relevant literature (Jung, Nietzsche, Milton) and his ability to speak passionately and persuasively about religion and morality in a positive, everyday light. He was not a useless New Atheist lolbertarian nor a granite-brained Creationist. He also rejected troony-feminist progressivism, embraced empirical thinking, explained religion in rational terms (rather than dogmatic or emotional) and promoted liberal individualism
Progressives hate him because they hate anything true.
Liberals hate him because they're brainwashed by progressives.
Schizos hate him because they think think he stands in the way of new recruits for hardcore, dogmatic traditionalism.
Nazis hate him because he refuses to blame the israelites.
>moved on
>defends jbp in every jbp thread
now post the "he's not a druggie and his daughters not a bawd!" pasta
Why would I post that? He's a druggie and his daughter is a prostitute. You clearly have never seen me discuss peterson before so at this point you're just confirming that you're another mindless hater in the crowd, driven by 3rd order rhetoric.
>now post the "he's not a druggie and his daughters not a bawd!" pasta
Those pastas wrecked his critics but I like this one more:
>Peterson: it would be productive to involve men in the conversation about violence against women in a way that doesn't label masculinity as inherently negative
>Libtard: so you're saying in order to make men care about rape women have to be returned to the status of men's property
>Peterson: the rise of identitarianism is linked to reactionary politics that sublimate personal resentment into collectivistic extremism
>Chud: so you're saying white people don't have group interests and therefore shouldn't exist
>Peterson: transgender ideology specifically targets a group of people likely to be confused and open to mental pathologies via social contagion--we shouldn't give hormones to children let alone surgically mutilate minors
>troony: so you're literal nazi saying we're a disease and we should be exterminated like one
>Peterson: anonymity increases the likelihood of pathological behavior so perhaps one way to alleviate the negative repurcussions of its overall influence would be to segregate accounts on these specific widely used social media websites--it's definitely better than secret and selective control of the public narrative as it exists now
>/pol/tard: so you're saying you want everyone everwhere to be tied to whatever they say and do at all times...I'm a freedom fighter [goes to another thread to post about AOC's butthole while writing "nig*er" 50 times]
Basically, Peterson will touch a nerve by simply pointing out something that is blatantly ignored in the way an ideological group frames an issue. He exposes ideological blindspots in a simple and straightforward way; this leads to the fellow travellors of whichever idea is being discussed having a breakdown and exposing themselves. He's valuable as a media personality if even for that reason alone
Lol
>only one person defends Peterson
Likely a minority but there are a few people around who aren't part of the reactionary pseud coalition that is libtard/troony/chud. Libtards sell out to anyone and trannies are used to "strangebed fellows" but it must be particularly odd for a chud to have any bedfellow at all. What a queer group.
this book is not philosophy, it’s self help. you could argue maps of meaning is philosophy, albeit bad philosophy, but 12 rules for life is just basic self help shit for but written for pseuds
Better then Marx
i shill this book all the time on this board, but it changed my life.
based alone enjoyer. Sadly Porn and TLP have helped me cut through so much bullshit it's incredible
Thanks for this post. The cover made me curious, so I started reading it, and I have to say that I'm loving it. Very visceral.
I've stopped listening to him because I think I've got a handle on everything he has to say, and he doesn't have anything new to say. The most recent one was "internet anonymity bad, because trolls don't get whacked for their shit", which is pretty dumb. I also avoid listening to his podcast because I'm irritated by his voice, it turns out.
He is somewhat correct about internet trolls. We all live in a very strange time where you can say the most vile, evil things to someone and they don’t even know what you look like nor can they physically respond. It is laughable to think this produces a healthy society. Just because we are used to this phenomena does not mean it is in any way beneficial to either the sender or the recipient.
>Thread is already offtopic
>It was unironically the same as the first book, with the right wing and incel rhetoric toned down.
>12 rules for life is just basic self help shit for but written for pseuds
>a cult of personality. His ideas are pedestrian, even Contrapoints dunked on them.
The best thing about Peterson is that he makes terrible people seethe.
who are you to judge them as terrible. they have their own path in life.
there is difference between POWER AND FORCE
Did you write that while you were dilating or something?
why yes I wrote it when I were something how could you tell
The same way I can tell you wrote that while injecting your hormones.
What's to seethe about, he's getting less right wing.
>right wing makes me seethe
Pathetic.
I too like to drink my own piss in public
Peterson is part of the atheist system. He has no solution to offer and he is a plant...Peterson is the kind of guy who writes self help books to convince himself that he has the right ideas about life, rather than to really help anyone else.
I ditched the 12 rules when he started talking about salvation through god, personally. it's a book by a man born in a society fashioned by atheists for 300 years, and indeed is a generic teacher bug in some atheist university after the atheists revived the greek one to larp and also to build some fake intellectuel lignage lol, and who got depressed and turned drug addict because ''his'' wife died and who's daughter turned as usual into a prostitute.
Fatherless 20 yo atheist men are so lost in life they would listen anybody telling them what to do , especially if the guy puts on some mild authoritative mask as an attempt to make people believe he knows what he's talking about lol. Anyway, his advice is limited to ''clean up your room'' ie what atheist parents have been saying for over 50 years because they have nothing else to say as part of their educative plans lol. His audience is of young white men wrapped around his finger, there is something coincidentally feminine about how he does this; essentially he says very little but a lot and he peppers it with hysterical breakdowns to arouse sympathy. Is Peterson an intentional homosexual gateway? The 'daddy figure' ...fricking hell...For those who don't know, the most IQfy book of all time is 12 Rules for Life. It embodies the core impulse of IQfy, which is traditional larping without any real life experience. That's why Jordan Peterson is considered a dad figure, because he embodies this pretend play spirit of false authenticity in his own life. He talks obsessively about war and conflict, while never having experienced it. He idolizes free market enterprise, while from a country with a very robust state sponsored welfare system and schooling system, which paid his salary. He obsesses over traditional values such as dignity and stoicism, while being a nervous wreck over the smallest things, such as having to delete a tweet.
Jordan Peterson is the right wing zeitgeist. A permanently triggered manchild who complains constantly how immature the dreaded esjaydubblejoes are..
Well, no one is neurotic just because, I think he allowed his women to dominate the frick out of him, while coping it away as a "push and pull relationship". I don't think there even is such a thing, there are either stable hierarchies or power struggles, and prolonged ones are costly.
>wife died
False
>Daughter is a prostitute
according to 4chinz standards (if you have sex before marriage you are an irredeemable bawd) sure. Otherwise, one might notice she is happily married.
You have to take it for what it is, vulgarization of psychological and philosophical concept, neatly packaged. One of the best self help books for the little Raskolokovs/golems that roam the west
>Raskolokovs
Que
>"heh... everyone hates him, that must mean he is le right"
mark of a midwit
>said no one
Look up “jordan peterson grandma dream” on google
I tried reading this, but it's just a giant Bible studies book in disguise. The 12 rules are decent and all, but I get the point, the entire thing can be summarized as:
'People don't care about hard work and manning up anymore, you should change that for yourself'.
>the entire thing can be summarized as:
>'People don't care about hard work and manning up anymore, you should change that for yourself'.
"They hated him for telling the truth."
I am a Peterson fan to some extent but this is still bait. Why are you doing this?
Structure and Being - Lorenz B. Puntel
>Philosophical
>JBP
I used to like the guy before his benzo addiction turned him into a drooling moron in the Balkans. He is in no way a philosopher, his advice is incredibly simplistic and easy to understand as a layman. The conclusion he comes to are even pretty easy to reach, he's just got more time and sources to support what he's saying.
he is a giant pussy homosexual that takes the israelites dollarydoos. Also a cringe lord.