So we should just stop talking about this, because as we all know new people never appear and everyone is taught everything they need to know to not be exploited in school, right?
>So we should just stop talking about this
Yes, because you will never be able to do anything about it. Instead of dooming yourself over how everyone and everything is spying on you, move on and focus on things you do have actual control over to improve yourself and find enjoyment in life.
Peak demoralizer. How do you get a job posting establishment stooge homosexual opinions on message boards?
1 month ago
Anonymous
have a nice day bootlicker. I mean it unironically. Get a chair and some rope.
Case in point. Your bitterness and vitriol towards things you have absolutely no control over translates into hate towards others. It's always easier to complain about something than to make an effort into something. Start with a walk outside, clear your mind from the internet and social media.
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Case in point. Your bitterness and vitriol towards things you have absolutely no control over translates into hate towards others. It's always easier to complain about something than to make an effort into something. Start with a walk outside, clear your mind from the internet and social media.
You are full of bitterness and vitriol, and need to go touch grass.
That's what happens when you buy into EV globohomo. My car has none of that shit.
The propulsion tech your vehicle uses has absolutely nothing to do with telemetry. Your car could be steam powered and still report your driving habits to your insurance company if it has a cell modem.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Carbed bikes tend not to have that shit because it costs more, and if one did it would be easy to remove.
t.bikemech of decades.
Bikes only need an oil pressure light, a charge indicator light, a speedo (a tach alone works for that if you know your speeds in top gear since speedometers are legal compliance devices not safety items) and minimum external lighting. With some experience you don't need the speedo or tach either. Tachs are really just entertainment/distraction on the street.
>My car has none of that shit.
If your car is younger than 15 years old, then it has this shit. EVs got nothing to do with it, this is just corpos wanting more money at your expense.
my 2014 Mazda 3 with all the tech package stuff has no real time tracking or cellular communication with the manufacturer. stop being moronic. and there are guides on how to take out the modems in cars that have it too. if you don't need the remote app stuff, it can be disabled, albeit the difficulty depends on brand and model.
Theyre already planning a copy of the American law that requires cars have a kill switch and a computer that CONSTANTLY watches your face to see if you're dozing off or drunk.
Bluetooth and wifi beacon harvesting happens everywhere. You need to turn on airplane mode on your phone in order to stop being tracked. Maybe wifi with a random MAC works, but no doubt there's probably some sniffing on packets going on, looking for patterns.
my insurance company asked me if I wanted to install a black box thing that tracks my driving, offering me a -20% discount if I drive responsibly
I said yes of course
what is considered bad driving can be pretty broad. If you drive past 10 PM, or if you brake too fast that could be grounds to raise your rates. Doesn't matter if someone in front of you drove stupidly and you had to suddenly stop. That data will follow you forever
nah, if my driving is generally good I still receive the discount, doens't matter if sometimes I do something bad, it's not that strict
it's been 3 or 4 years since I had it
>Cyberpunk dystopia
🙁 >Cyberpunk dystopia Japan with neon lights, CRTs and lead based solder
🙂
nah, if my driving is generally good I still receive the discount, doens't matter if sometimes I do something bad, it's not that strict
it's been 3 or 4 years since I had it
Phrasing things as bonuses to acquire is a psychological tactic. The base price is just more expensive. It's not a discount, that's just what the base price is supposed to be.
Cannot be used to determine insurance prices in EU area. EU wins yet again. Its quite tiresome to win always.but then you know you have the league that invented all science and societal norms
Boy am I glad to be living in Germany.
If my motorcycle data was sent anywhere, I'd lose my license multiple times over and gel multiple thousand fines.
If I rip the wifi antenna out of a modern car it will still work right? >But anon, what about your OTA updates?!?!
Shove them up your ass, I don't want anyone remotely turning my car off while I am on the highway.
>If I rip the wifi antenna out of a modern car it will still work right?
Reposting an anon's info from a previous thread
>To any anon trying to remove unnecessary connections from their vehicles, what you have to start out with is removing or disabling the telematics transceiver. The TCM/TCU/DCU is the wireless transceiver that actually transmits all the vehicle data back to whatever hellhole collects it. It's usually attached to the front head unit or center console, although it doesn't have to be.
>The unit itself is generally a small black box with an antenna connection, or several, and a battery backup.
>Removing it isn't hard. Just find out where it is (headliner or trunk for BMWs, behind or near radio for Toyotas, or inside the radio for CDJR Uconnect units, as a few examples), and then disconnect it. The car might or might not throw an error code on the instrument cluster to the effect of "Emergency Call Malfunction" or something similar. Oh, and you will probably loose most if not all wireless connectivity. That entirely depends on how much actually goes though the unit versus the actual head unit of the car. GPS, Bluetooth, and XM might still work, or might not. Generally though, the AM/FM radio is unaffected since the antennas for that are directly connected to the head unit.
>If you get an error, there's a couple of options to get rid of it. You could have someone or yourself code the error out if you know which system is throwing it. You could also change the VO or vehicle order manifest to show that the vehicle never shipped with the connectivity you removed, and then the error should go away. If you're lucky, you might just have to buy a harness like this one https://www.autoharnesshouse.com/69018.html and everything will be fine. If it's part of a fiber network, then you have to buy a loop like this one
>https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-bmw-parts/fiber-optic-system-jumper-priced-each/61136917541/ and attach it. That might clear the error. Worst case, you just have to deal with it, but at least the car worn't transmit anything.
>As an alternative for removing the unit entirely, you could just disconnect its antennas. As with any radio though, you should never just leave an open antenna connection. You HAVE to terminate it with a 50 ohm resistor. RF termination plugs with built in resistors are cheap and plentiful. Just unplug the FAKRA connector(s), get a FAKRA to SMA adapter, and a 50 ohm 1 or 5 watt terminator. Done. Alternatively, ground the antenna out hot to chassis ground after unplugging the connector. Same result. If you just unplug the antenna, not only are you risking damaging the telematics unit which costs an absurd amount to replace (and will throw an error like the above when it fails), but it may still be able to transit data, at least in a limited capacity.
>If you have CDJR car with Uconnect, at least from 2018-2021, the 4G modem is actually just a daughter board in the radio unit. Unplugging it and removing it doesn't result in any errors, which is nice.
>Something else to consider, especially if you buy an older car from the mid 2010s, is that most of these modules were 2G/3G, which means that now, at least in the US, they're effectively doing nothing. They're still drawing unnecessary power and are attack vectors, but the network that once made their data transmission work is now dead.So that's nice.
>Basically, all this to say, there are ways around these things. I wouldn't worry about event data collectors, since the equipment necessary to access those is north of $25k, and they're only accesses in specific circumstances. Those also cannot (as far as I know) collect more than a few days worth of data. These days, they're integrated into other systems, like the airbag controller, so don't risk messing around with those. Leave them alone. It's not worth it. They're not wireless anyways.
>End of autism.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Oh, I forgot to say, in most cars, you can also just pull the fuse that powers the telematics unit. That doesn’t always result in an error since the unit is still technically detected, it’s just powered off. Whether you trust simply pulling the fuse or not it up to you. I just wanted to also mention that option.
You are very stupid if you didn't already know this.
I don't think everyone is aware that new cars phone home every aspect of their driving habits
If you're on IQfy and you don't already expect everyone that can be spying on you to be spying on you you're irredeemably moronic
If you buy BYD it phones the CCP too.
unironically this
remember how tesla employees watched people have sex in their cars?
not that it's unexpected but it still surprises me. source?
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/04/tesla-workers-shared-images-from-car-cameras-including-scenes-of-intimacy/
https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/
Maybe being a Tesla worker is not so bad after all ...
>Notice and comment on shitty behavior by governments and corporations
>"Ha you loser. You didn't know that already? What an idiot."
Many such cases.
THIS. Why does it always happen? And why is it always in the first three posts?
So we should just stop talking about this, because as we all know new people never appear and everyone is taught everything they need to know to not be exploited in school, right?
>So we should just stop talking about this
Yes, because you will never be able to do anything about it. Instead of dooming yourself over how everyone and everything is spying on you, move on and focus on things you do have actual control over to improve yourself and find enjoyment in life.
Peak demoralizer. How do you get a job posting establishment stooge homosexual opinions on message boards?
Case in point. Your bitterness and vitriol towards things you have absolutely no control over translates into hate towards others. It's always easier to complain about something than to make an effort into something. Start with a walk outside, clear your mind from the internet and social media.
have a nice day bootlicker. I mean it unironically. Get a chair and some rope.
>You are very stupid
Please see
You are full of bitterness and vitriol, and need to go touch grass.
>victim blaming
have a nice day pedo
That's what happens when you buy into EV globohomo. My car has none of that shit.
Most new cars, including ICE have a telematics unit with a cell modem that phones home. Fordpass and onstar do similar stuff
You can still buy a new motorcycle with a carburetor.
However it is starting to infect this hobby too. Some companies are offering subscription fees to unlock what you already own.
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The propulsion tech your vehicle uses has absolutely nothing to do with telemetry. Your car could be steam powered and still report your driving habits to your insurance company if it has a cell modem.
Carbed bikes tend not to have that shit because it costs more, and if one did it would be easy to remove.
t.bikemech of decades.
Bikes only need an oil pressure light, a charge indicator light, a speedo (a tach alone works for that if you know your speeds in top gear since speedometers are legal compliance devices not safety items) and minimum external lighting. With some experience you don't need the speedo or tach either. Tachs are really just entertainment/distraction on the street.
>My car has none of that shit.
If your car is younger than 15 years old, then it has this shit. EVs got nothing to do with it, this is just corpos wanting more money at your expense.
my 2014 Mazda 3 with all the tech package stuff has no real time tracking or cellular communication with the manufacturer. stop being moronic. and there are guides on how to take out the modems in cars that have it too. if you don't need the remote app stuff, it can be disabled, albeit the difficulty depends on brand and model.
A few months ago somebody sued because their texts were being sent to the manufacturer when Bluetooth was enabled.
They lost the case.
We are so fricked
Screengrabs from the data infotainment system hoovers up
Skip to 2:48
I hate to say it. But it looks like Euros are going to have to rescue us again. It hate being indebted to those prissy fricks.
Theyre already planning a copy of the American law that requires cars have a kill switch and a computer that CONSTANTLY watches your face to see if you're dozing off or drunk.
just ride a bike or a horse
in b4 you can't, just stop being poor and move to a small village
Bluetooth and wifi beacon harvesting happens everywhere. You need to turn on airplane mode on your phone in order to stop being tracked. Maybe wifi with a random MAC works, but no doubt there's probably some sniffing on packets going on, looking for patterns.
I think you can disable some of this if you rip out the TCU from the car
Silly boy, what do you think happens with your car's unique identifier - the license plate?
Anyway, e-bikes are easy to create, one can ride trains paying cash. Could be worse.
Teardown of a car telematics unit
my insurance company asked me if I wanted to install a black box thing that tracks my driving, offering me a -20% discount if I drive responsibly
I said yes of course
what is considered bad driving can be pretty broad. If you drive past 10 PM, or if you brake too fast that could be grounds to raise your rates. Doesn't matter if someone in front of you drove stupidly and you had to suddenly stop. That data will follow you forever
nah, if my driving is generally good I still receive the discount, doens't matter if sometimes I do something bad, it's not that strict
it's been 3 or 4 years since I had it
>Cyberpunk dystopia
🙁
>Cyberpunk dystopia Japan with neon lights, CRTs and lead based solder
🙂
Phrasing things as bonuses to acquire is a psychological tactic. The base price is just more expensive. It's not a discount, that's just what the base price is supposed to be.
Cannot be used to determine insurance prices in EU area. EU wins yet again. Its quite tiresome to win always.but then you know you have the league that invented all science and societal norms
Social credit but by private corporations so you can't even vote for a government who'd abolish the system.
>not using your car's shitty EDGE/CDMA/LTE radio and sim to get free data on the go.
heh, nothin personnel, Toyota-sama
Boy am I glad to be living in Germany.
If my motorcycle data was sent anywhere, I'd lose my license multiple times over and gel multiple thousand fines.
Good thing nipps are not a control freak. I can cut the connection anytime on my car when i don't want that shit draining my battery.
If I rip the wifi antenna out of a modern car it will still work right?
>But anon, what about your OTA updates?!?!
Shove them up your ass, I don't want anyone remotely turning my car off while I am on the highway.
>If I rip the wifi antenna out of a modern car it will still work right?
Reposting an anon's info from a previous thread
>To any anon trying to remove unnecessary connections from their vehicles, what you have to start out with is removing or disabling the telematics transceiver. The TCM/TCU/DCU is the wireless transceiver that actually transmits all the vehicle data back to whatever hellhole collects it. It's usually attached to the front head unit or center console, although it doesn't have to be.
>The unit itself is generally a small black box with an antenna connection, or several, and a battery backup.
>Removing it isn't hard. Just find out where it is (headliner or trunk for BMWs, behind or near radio for Toyotas, or inside the radio for CDJR Uconnect units, as a few examples), and then disconnect it. The car might or might not throw an error code on the instrument cluster to the effect of "Emergency Call Malfunction" or something similar. Oh, and you will probably loose most if not all wireless connectivity. That entirely depends on how much actually goes though the unit versus the actual head unit of the car. GPS, Bluetooth, and XM might still work, or might not. Generally though, the AM/FM radio is unaffected since the antennas for that are directly connected to the head unit.
>If you get an error, there's a couple of options to get rid of it. You could have someone or yourself code the error out if you know which system is throwing it. You could also change the VO or vehicle order manifest to show that the vehicle never shipped with the connectivity you removed, and then the error should go away. If you're lucky, you might just have to buy a harness like this one https://www.autoharnesshouse.com/69018.html and everything will be fine. If it's part of a fiber network, then you have to buy a loop like this one
>https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-bmw-parts/fiber-optic-system-jumper-priced-each/61136917541/ and attach it. That might clear the error. Worst case, you just have to deal with it, but at least the car worn't transmit anything.
>As an alternative for removing the unit entirely, you could just disconnect its antennas. As with any radio though, you should never just leave an open antenna connection. You HAVE to terminate it with a 50 ohm resistor. RF termination plugs with built in resistors are cheap and plentiful. Just unplug the FAKRA connector(s), get a FAKRA to SMA adapter, and a 50 ohm 1 or 5 watt terminator. Done. Alternatively, ground the antenna out hot to chassis ground after unplugging the connector. Same result. If you just unplug the antenna, not only are you risking damaging the telematics unit which costs an absurd amount to replace (and will throw an error like the above when it fails), but it may still be able to transit data, at least in a limited capacity.
>If you have CDJR car with Uconnect, at least from 2018-2021, the 4G modem is actually just a daughter board in the radio unit. Unplugging it and removing it doesn't result in any errors, which is nice.
>Something else to consider, especially if you buy an older car from the mid 2010s, is that most of these modules were 2G/3G, which means that now, at least in the US, they're effectively doing nothing. They're still drawing unnecessary power and are attack vectors, but the network that once made their data transmission work is now dead.So that's nice.
>Basically, all this to say, there are ways around these things. I wouldn't worry about event data collectors, since the equipment necessary to access those is north of $25k, and they're only accesses in specific circumstances. Those also cannot (as far as I know) collect more than a few days worth of data. These days, they're integrated into other systems, like the airbag controller, so don't risk messing around with those. Leave them alone. It's not worth it. They're not wireless anyways.
>End of autism.
>Oh, I forgot to say, in most cars, you can also just pull the fuse that powers the telematics unit. That doesn’t always result in an error since the unit is still technically detected, it’s just powered off. Whether you trust simply pulling the fuse or not it up to you. I just wanted to also mention that option.
>Actual end of autism.
That shit is wired to frick and back. Henry was a known data hoarder
I am immune
Soon you have to make your shoes yourself if you don't want to be tracked when your shoes phone home about all your movements.
That will be illegal you naive fool. There is nothing in the Constitution that says you must be allowed to make your own shoes.