Better than Augustine. >inb4 screeching orthodogs

Better than Augustine
>inb4 screeching orthodogs

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just read the desert fathers and be done with Christianity

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      get behind me satan

      So this dude castrated himsef or something? What actual reasoning does Christianity have for supporting that but also being transphobic?

      No it was political slander

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    So this dude castrated himsef or something? What actual reasoning does Christianity have for supporting that but also being transphobic?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Transphobia is not a real thing aside from the fact that trannies are uncanny valley aesthetically unpleasant to look at.

      get behind me satan
      [...]
      No it was political slander

      Is this Origen? I’m reading a book on the trajectory of Christian philosophy and I vaguely recall the author making note of this.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The problem with trannies starts with their demands to be recognized as women.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/AwCYYBk.jpg

      Better than Augustine
      >inb4 screeching orthodogs

      >there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.

      Gospel of Matthew 19:12

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It is contrary to what he explicitly says in his writings and even the anti-origenists never bothered with that claim which must have been recognized as total bullshit. Eusebius was making shit up or had the weirdest sources.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is there a branch of Christianity that doesn't consider him a heretic?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably Coptic Orthodoxy but that’s a stretch

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Only orthodogs explicitly condemn origen.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Catholics make use of his earlier writings and disregard what became of him later. We respect his contributions, as we do Tertullian's, but there's a reason that he's not a saint, unlike, say, Ignatius of Antioch.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Get over yourselves. Aren't you supposed to be the Catholic -- universal -- church? Where's the intellectual freedom?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Can’t really have a dogmatic system with that

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Black person, if he was ever considered a heretic then how do you think we still have his corpus?

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Better than Augustine
    Not hard to do

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Origen is cool bro. Idk why they didn't like him.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      He was quite popular during his life. He was condemned much later, when he had been dead for generations, because of schismatics who played off his name.

      Evagrius, creator of the Seven Deadly Sins and huge in monasticism and Christianity generally was a huge Origenist.

      >believed that souls were created first, before the rest of creation
      >believed that they were originally pure, but got bored of contemplating god and fell away into sin
      >believed that Jesus was the most pure of the souls, the only one that didn't fall
      >one step away from believing in karma and reincarnation - believed that circumstances of birth depended on the soul's behavior before the birth
      >believed that everyone would eventually go to heaven
      >believed that the Bible was mostly allegorical

      holy shit, this guy invented New Age

      This is really just cherry picking. Origen was a deep student of the scriptures and some of his speculations he lays out as simply speculation.

      He sees multiple layers to scripture which was something that was in Judaism prior to Christianity as well, e.g., Philo of Alexandria.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >believed that souls were created first, before the rest of creation
    >believed that they were originally pure, but got bored of contemplating god and fell away into sin
    >believed that Jesus was the most pure of the souls, the only one that didn't fall
    >one step away from believing in karma and reincarnation - believed that circumstances of birth depended on the soul's behavior before the birth
    >believed that everyone would eventually go to heaven
    >believed that the Bible was mostly allegorical

    holy shit, this guy invented New Age

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>one step away from believing in karma and reincarnation - believed that circumstances of birth depended on the soul's behavior before the birth
      true
      that the Bible was mostly allegorical
      true

      whole of jesus' story is to be interpreted in a symbolical/initiatic way, from the miraculous birth from a virgin to the passion and ressurection

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >>one step away from believing in karma and reincarnation - believed that circumstances of birth depended on the soul's behavior before the birth
      true
      that the Bible was mostly allegorical
      true

      whole of jesus' story is to be interpreted in a symbolical/initiatic way, from the miraculous birth from a virgin to the passion and ressurection

      >whole of jesus' story is to be interpreted in a symbolical/initiatic way, from the miraculous birth from a virgin to the passion and ressurection
      miracles (healings, bilocation, etc) are found everywhere in all religions, hindus called it 'siddhis'
      not only Jesus but also Orfeus, Pythagoras, zoroaster, buddha, Krshna, Laozi, and others are said to be born miraculously
      the whole death and ressurection clearly refers to the well-known phenomenon of 'initiatic death', also presented in the aforementioned characters' stories

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        What initiatic death? He was publicly executed by the state

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          irrelevant

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Origen never believed even half of that. It's incredible how fifth centuries shitposters still taint a man 1500 years later.
      For instance he never advocated universal redemption (he explicitly argued against it). He also didn't believe souls were created first separate from the rest of creation because his own form of hylomorphism would forbid that (if anything he was suspicious because of his elucubrations on the subtle bodies of angels). He mentions the hypothesis of metempsychosis once and it has little to do with karman, if only because there is redemption.
      He did advance several dodgy things, like continuous creation from eternity backwards, or that earthly conditions were drawn from free will (although that is not "karman").

      Is there a branch of Christianity that doesn't consider him a heretic?

      Black person, if he was ever considered a heretic then how do you think we still have his corpus?

      Origen was never formally condemned. Some sentences here and here are heterodox and he was never seriously considered for canonization either.
      As for his writings remaining some Greeks in their long downward spiral to full moronation destroyed most of his works. A large part of remaining works are only in Latin translations. We also have the writing of a few heretics.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Origen did cut his diqq off which is extremely weird and not good, but he was an unusually perceptive and modern theologian. Don't know if he's fully rehabilitated but things he says 1500 years ago are basically Orthodoxy now.

        The chopping was a mistake.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    My own personal ranking having read a bunch of these guys:

    Bonaventure > Pseudo Dionysus = Late Augustine > Boehme > Eckhart > Origen = Evagrius > Merton = Bernard of Clairvaux > Early Augustine > Boethius > Gregory of Nysa

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      What about Scotus Eriugena?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Where do these fit in your subjective order:
      Marguerite Porette
      John Climacus
      Guigo II
      Richard of St. Victor
      St. Ignatius of Loyola
      Luca Pacioli
      John Scotus Eriugena
      William Blake

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Orthos don't like Augustine either

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