Scientifically, Black should not be considered a color, because White is the source of every color, while Black is the absence of every color and nothing derives from it.
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yet you see them. how interesting.
at least white is a fake composite color like magenta, at the very least.
black light can't exist, because black is an unreal color
not the same can be said for magenta
there's nothing real about magenta since it doesn't have a wavelength, but more, like white.
we really are technically missing information about light in the visible spectrum. we cannot tell between yellow photons (light) and red+green photons.
>but we have cones and rods for...
don't care, they don't capture all info. ideally we'd be able to see cyan photons as cyan and green+blue photons as another imaginary color such as magenta. this way we'd have more info from the environment.
picrel is not yellow photons. but you cannot tell that, because you are missing the imaginary color (equivalent to magenta) for the mix of red and green photons, yes because of our limited eyes.
>there's nothing real about magenta since it doesn't have a wavelength
There's nothing real about any of the colors. Magenta isn't "less real" than other colors. Magenta is equally as real as every other color, which is to say it's not real at all because color is not real.
Don't confuse the physical reality of light wavelengths with the way our hallucinatory visual systems perceive it. Color is just not a real thing in the physical universe at all. Color is our imaginary rough approximation of reality.
This post is the correct answer here. People shouldn't be arguing semantics on colors when our very perception is approximated.
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and I legit think more colors can be conjured by the brain. it just didn't have to (like it did for magenta)
>There's nothing real about any of the colors.
yeah in a sense sure, but I'm clearly talking about wavelength in this case. brain took some creative licenses to shit makes sense to us. magenta is kinda sus.
Idk, I just don't really care about the whole magenta debate because it doesn't ultimately amount to anything. Very frequently in real life, if you're looking at a yellow flower or whatever the frick, you're not looking at a single wavelength of light anyway. You're looking at mixture of red and green or whatever the shit.
So this yellow....isn't this yellow equally as "fake" as magenta? There's no yellow wavelengths in this yellow object. So it's just as fake as magenta. SO NONE OF THIS MATTERS THEN, magenta is fricking fine it's not a false color or whatever the shit just because you can't get it from a single wavelength
it's exactly what i've been saying this whole time, yellow and cyan are as fake as magenta is, they're literally the byproduct of two cones activating at the same time, the true primary colors are red, green and blue by the basis of this fact
if you have some insect wings with microstructure which traps all but yellow photons, they would look yellow. but if the structures trap all light but red and green wavelengths, it would look the same, yellow. but these two things are different, just seem the same. if you'd be able to differentiate you'd get extra info from the environment.
sure, for chimp mode in nature it's good enough for yellow banana.
magenta light doesn't exist either.
color is a sensory phenomenon, it doesn't exist in reality. Light of varying wavelengths exist. but they are not color, they are simply just photons.
You are confusing wavelengths of light with color. They are not the same. Light is a real, physical thing. Color is not a real thing in the physical world, it is a phenomenon that our brains hallucinate in order to make it easier to tell objects apart.
It does not matter if black is the absence of light, we still perceive black as tho it were a color just like any other. And that very perception IS what indeed makes it a color, because color is not real.
That is true except color is more real because we experience it. Light doesn't truly exist without us.
Now you're just getting philosophical on me lol
magenta probably exist for a special purpose, considering that it's the opposite color that our eyes are most sensitive to (green)
It exists because our brain looks at "red + blue light, but the green cone isn't activating" and needs to explain it.
i mean your statement doesn't quite makes sense, because you operate by the assumption that green is supposed to be the color between red and blue when it is in a fact a color of its own, while magenta is the actual color between red and blue
>green is supposed to be the color between red and blue
On one end of the color spectrum is red. On the other is blue/violet. If you mixed red and blue together in equal amounts you WOULD get green. The only reason we don't is cuz we have cones specifically dedicated to green light, and they're telling us there's no green light, therefore this red + blue I'm getting must be another color
Red, green and blue are the best colours.
Scientifically, colors don't exist.
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Give me an experiment that empirically proves colors exist in the objective world
nta but I'm trying to use the eyes kind of like a measurement device, for reality, but constantly realize it's not quite so performant or true. in the measurement gear sense eyes+brain can tell the wavelength of light, so they are true this way, but they also do all that magenta/white frickery, which is more like fantasy land and less like lab measurement device. for a lab device magenta is fake, for brain lala land yeah colors are not objective or real. we hallucinate all of them
new colors would be a mindfrick
i mean, there might be aliens out there who have six cones cells and thus can see colors that our brain can't imagine
There are even little bugs here on earth that can do that.
What if the aliens have 6,000,000 cones? Sounds very colorful
I mean let's think about it. we see in this spectrum, which is sort of random, nothing special to it apart from it being what penetrates water at the depth we developed the eyes. so we defined the range. which fits all colors we hallucinate.
now, are these colors unique to that frequency of light, or to the spectrum's width and number of "quantas" of light that fit?
if the spectrum was larger, would red move upwards in the IR range, and violet in the UV-C range? or would say magenta follow in UV-C range and brain would come up with another magenta to red transition color?
what if we perceived a shorter spectrum? would blue map on where green is now?
seems kind of random to say we somehow see all the real colors and no way of seeing more because there aren't more, that's kind of random. it's like our spectrum would be limited by the number of colors our brain could come up with, which is a bit strange to think.
>sorry boss, no more colors, violet is as low as you get
new colors might be possible for Neuralink patients.
the magenta we see on our computers isn't even a pure one, as it's just red and blue light combined, and blue isn't the shortest wavelength on the spectrum, a true magenta would be a combination of red light and violet light, what would it look like?
yeah that's weird innit. violet has a bit of red in it, and then it wraps around through magenta.
>violet has a bit of red in it
no actually violet can be both a single wavelength and also a mix of more blue and less red. what the frick is going on in our brains.
The photon energy emitted by the "unreal" colors like Yellow, Magenta and Cyan can be calculated by additioning the photon energy of their components.
Yellow - Green + Red
Red's photon energy: 1.65 eV
Green's photon energy: 2.19 eV
1.65 eV + 2.19 eV = 3.84 eV
Yellow's photon energy is 3.84 eV, which is higher than Blue (2.75 eV)
Magenta - Red + Blue
Red's photon energy: 1.65 eV
Blue's photon energy: 2.75 eV
1.65 eV + 2.75 eV = 4.40 eV
Magenta's photon energy is 4.40 eV, which is higher than Yellow
Cyan - Green + Blue
Green's photon energy: 2.19 eV
Blue's photon energy: 2.75 eV
2.19 eV + 2.75 eV = 4.94 eV
Cyan's photon energy is 4.94 eV, which is even higher than Magenta
In short, Cyan has the highest possible photon energy out of all colors, with the exception of White which carries the amount of every color's photon energy.
>Cyan's photon energy is 4.94 eV, which is even higher than Magenta
but that is fake Cyan not real Cyan.
>but that is fake Cyan not real Cyan.
there is no such thing as "real Cyan", Cyan is literally just Green cones and Blue cones in your eyes being activated simultaneously, just like Magenta, there is no inherent realness to it.
but aren't those cones also activated by Cyan photons as opposed to being activated by fake Cyan which is Green + Blue photons?
Isn't yellow brighter than cyan tho
the perceived brightness of a color has nothing to do with the amount of energy a color emits, it's more related to our cones's sensitivity to it
yellow is bright because it has green in it, which is the color our eyes are the most sensitive to
>yellow is bright because it has green in it, which is the color our eyes are the most sensitive to
Idk if that's why. I think it's because we have red/green/blue cones. If you pick any color between blue/green, green/red, or red/blue, then that color will be brighter than the base colors. Like, we can't detect cyan light. We only get it by getting blue + green. Which means by necessity that cyan will be brighter than either blue or green, because you had to combine 2 or more colors in order to get cyan. Combining light means the overall light is brighter. So cyan is brighter just by definition.
Therefore yellow is the brightest color besides white, since red + green it's the only base triad cone pairing that doesn't include blue, which is very dark.
>If you pick any color between blue/green, green/red, or red/blue, then that color will be brighter than the base colors
This is only partially true as we have the exception of Magenta, which is made from two colors but is actually darker than Green, a singular primary
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there's room for two new colors, yellow and cyan. but it's tricky since what we see now as yellow and cyan is already the fake one. so getting receptors for yellow and cyan would make them show up as new colors. if we can hallucinate new colors that is.
ideally we'd have the new colors for the fake cyan and yellow but brain already has colors for that, dunno if that can change.
Yellow, Magenta, and Cyan are all fake colors created when two cones cells activate simultaneously
This is why Red, Green and Blue are the actual primary colors
Yeah, but since there's no "real" Magenta photons we don't need another color to diferentiate the two.
But we could use new Yellow and Cyan colors to differentiate fake Yellow and fake Cyan.
True, but Official Truth is always the inversion of reality. Therefore black, which is devoid of all color, is vibrant and full of color, and white, which consists of all colors, is empty and colorless.
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You guys are dumber than a rock like holy shit
Fun fact: If you use pure blue light, you'll notice that only Cyan and Magenta objects shine, while other colors are darker.
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Fun fact: Any color object would look black if illuminated by light having its color.
I agree, black is overrated normie mundane shit, just like blue tbh