Not really. Even Tarantino says the 90s were the seventies part 2, in large part because of an entrance of independent ateurship, the failure of inflated studio productions, and more interesting films caused by technological changes like the home video market mooning and consumer equipment becoming more accessible.
I was born in 1986 and that's pretty much the same opinion I have except for me it's anything past the year 1999 doesn't feel real. But yeah, 90s were peak.
But why do you think that is? It's easy to jump to the conclusion that they are just deluded somehow. But the more an independent event occurs the more you have to consider the possibility that it may simply be true.
Midwit take - every generation thinks their youth was better
Bigbrain take - things actually have been getting worse, for several generations at least
It's not that hard to observe this. Stuff in the past was just better. It was made with more care. It expected a higher level of refinement and taste out of it's audience. Every generation, standards lower a little. This has been happening since at least the Boomers, but maybe longer, I dunno.
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This has been happening since at least the 1800s. Compare a house built in 1850 to one built in 1950.
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since the ~~*Enlightenment*~~ replaced religion with muh reason and muh rationality
The cartoonist is either too young or unaware to understand nostalgia. We don't find the culture of those years of our life the best, it is just very good at reminding us of those times of our life before the rut of adulthood sets in.
=Peak of different art forms=
Film: '40s to mid '60s
Painting: second half of the 19th century
Rock & jazz music: late '60s to late '70s
TV shows: mid-to-late '00s
Video games: late '90s/early '00s
film clearly peaked in the 70s
painting as the "old masters"
rock and jazz is shit but I guess you're right
television is shit but I guess you're right
video games have never peaked
objectively right opinion detected... zoomies drooling over some gay tracing version 7.5 will never understand how these old games changed the way we perceived the medium, how it shaped the whole landscape of gaming we got today
Games have pretty much been in a creative malaise since the Xbox 360.
You get "good games", but the genres are all pretty much established and tied down, the tech isn't really going anywhere, very rarely do you see anything now that blows you away, like Playing N64 for the first time, or playing GTA3 for the firs time, or playing Half Life 2 for the first time. Younger people probably don't even know what that feeling was like.
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If we draw a timeline from the moment they were created to the present, ut must have a highest point. That's the peak. It's not hard to understand.
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Oh you're gonna be some technical semantics autist? That isn't what was meant get over it moron
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That's what "the peak" of something means. It's not complex. Nothing has ever achieved its peak then, according to your view.
Nah, Prog was peak rock. That was where it kind of reached it's boundary as a genre. Everything is a regression past that point.
I have some fondness for Red Hot Chilli Peppers or whatever, but it wasn't King Crimson or Van Der Graaf Generator. it's clearly a lesser thing.
film clearly peaked in the 70s
painting as the "old masters"
rock and jazz is shit but I guess you're right
television is shit but I guess you're right
video games have never peaked
https://i.imgur.com/mZE5vO3.jpg
>Rock & jazz
kek ok boomer
Rock music peaked from the 80s to late 200s you cretin
>jazz music: late '60s to late '70s
holy moron
>Video games
Not art.
Music peaked in the 90s/early 2000s, as it was then when Power Metal peaked
What didn't actually peak somewhere from the mid 80's to mid 00's though?
Maybe books, I guess. Maybe painting and sculpture.
Anyway, we're just very clearly in cultural decline, for a variety of reasons. Nothing is particularly getting better. The best you can really hope for these days is something is "as good" as it was in the past.
No one is going to put out something so ground breaking, it makes the classics look like shit. Not happening.
This is a meme popular because of movies and games from that era. It also happened to be a bit of a golden age for both so much so we get nothing but reboot and remake sloppa of 40 year old shows. Mario and Zelda still get games. Biggest event in games was a fricking sequel to a CRPG from 2000. They’re admitting they’re creatively bankrupt.
The only other defense people have of this fartsmelling midwit shit is boomers who loved the 50s, an age of unprecedented growth. So unprecedented we’re now to be in constant awe of all the boomers who got a job without 4 year college and bought a house for a couple of month’s salary.
The radical thought that mindbreaks these idiots is “what if all generations aren’t the same”. It’s actually stunning that they can live with this cognitive dissonance since the same lamebrain fricks will complain about social changes and creative bankruptcy any other day. Muh late stage capitalism.
Thank you. Since the industrial revolution, literally every generation is very different from the last. Only within the past decade has there been a concerted effort to pander to the previous generation instead of create new stuff.
Games have pretty much been in a creative malaise since the Xbox 360.
You get "good games", but the genres are all pretty much established and tied down, the tech isn't really going anywhere, very rarely do you see anything now that blows you away, like Playing N64 for the first time, or playing GTA3 for the firs time, or playing Half Life 2 for the first time. Younger people probably don't even know what that feeling was like.
>creative malaise since the Xbox 360.
Sony and M$ ruined AAA videogames. The focus on minor technological and graphical improvements was never a sustainable goal - that's not what makes games fun. Video games for some reason were always seen as the purview of children. Sony and M$ perverted that and tried to subvert that view by appealing to movietards, disguising their thinly-veiled cinematic experiences as "video games". Also the FPS gigachad culture was so artificially created, aped, and sustained. It has always been a temporary phase for braindead normalcools. Those same types of people bought 10 Sportsball games for their Genesis, and then never played videogames again.
At least we have the internet and anybody can make a videogame now. AAA is dead, and independent games are where it's at.
We have come to the edge of the human, beyond is only blackness and the hum of machines in the night. The next song isn't meant for us. Return to the campfire with your family, stare into the flames, and tell the old stories again.
Like, the "best movie" out right now is apparently Dune. Just Dune. An okayish adaptation of Dune.
That's fine, but they did that on the Sci-Fi channel 20 years ago, and that one was better in some regards. It didn't look so ugly and boring, or have a Hans Zimmer soundtrack.
We have come to the edge of the human, beyond is only blackness and the hum of machines in the night. The next song isn't meant for us. Return to the campfire with your family, stare into the flames, and tell the old stories again.
The only thing that has notably gotten worse is film and painting and maybe triple a games to some extent. Everything else is a matter of not looking for the good shit
What got better though?
There are some excellent films and games that still come out if you look for them, as well. On the whole, have the forms gotten better though? Not really. Have there been any interesting movements or breakthroughs? Not really.
Shitpostcore games like Cruelty Squad are probably the only fresh thing happening in gaming right now.
I didn't grow up in the 70s and I would say cinema was pretty much peaked then, though I do enjoy stuff more from my nostalgic frame due to the memories associated.
Nostalgia exists but the danger of it is that it lets you too easily betray yourself. Because at least some of these people at some point have to be right. Nostalgia is an emotion but it's irrelevant to judgement.
Sculpture is probably what peaked earliest, then in order painting, tailoring, cooking, opera, theater, dancing, literature, music, film, comics. Video gaming may have peaked but it's a bit early to tell. I feel it never reached its true potential possibly due to excessive production costs severely restricting risk taking (already a borderline issue with movies).
Film peaked in the 90s it's a contentious opinion maybe but I stand by it
Video games obviously in the 90s and 2000s that one's not hard to figure out
Music, Literature, Painting, etc... who knows
Film and video games are easy because they've been around for a century max
Other art forms have been around for thousands of years seems way too difficult to determine the true peak
Paintings: tie between Renaissance and Baroque periods
Literature: Romantic period
Music: Baroque period
Film: 20s to 50s
Video games: mid-90s for 2D, mid-00s for 3D
I was at a store yesterday and I saw a 5 year old kid getting excited over Minecraft, a game released in 2009. And morons on here are gonna tell me shit hasn't stagnated.
Wow I'm sure glad every relevant photo editing software peaked precisely when a redditor needed to draw up a dumb, reductive strawman argument for nothing else but to prove how enlightened they are
Born in 88, I can fully admit that almost everything was better before I was born. My favorite music is in the 90s though and there are maybe four or five TV shows worth watching before my birth.
It's more moronic when people try to tell you that appreciate certain things BECAUSE they happened in a certain era. >durrrrrrr your favorite Zelda game is from when you were 12
No, the Zelda game that released was Four Swords Adventure. Get fricked.
>3 and 22
That's a stupidly broad range that would alllow for two different generations to think of the same thing and both be right.
Also though the answer for most of these subjects is objectively the 90s.
No zoomer is going to say 2010s were the peak of music/films lmao
This, I'm a 2000s zoomie and film peaked in the 70s then again in the 90s. Nothing past 2012 feels real or worth shit.
hard agree on peak of film in the 70s
popular music was 60s
>in the 90s
No, that's just you being a zoom zoom
Not really. Even Tarantino says the 90s were the seventies part 2, in large part because of an entrance of independent ateurship, the failure of inflated studio productions, and more interesting films caused by technological changes like the home video market mooning and consumer equipment becoming more accessible.
I was born in 1986 and that's pretty much the same opinion I have except for me it's anything past the year 1999 doesn't feel real. But yeah, 90s were peak.
I'm a zoomer and I say that
zoomer here, we have Christopher nolan
LOTS of kino from 2010 - 2015 that weren't nolan too
pleb of the highest caliber
lol this must be bait, r..right?
no? I like the guy's works
This guy's essays on culture actually convinced me that Gen Xers who think this are objectively correct.
this is true
2016 was the best year for music
You realise that american zoomers listen to exclusively rap? so they definitely will say that
I actually think that most art forms peaked before I was born.
Yeah same. I even think they peaked way before I was born when people were really commited to their art form.
Same. OP is a homosexual as usual
few people have this opinion, whoever drew this is moronic
Talk to boomers, genx and millenials (to a lesser extent) and you'll hear this a lot.
But why do you think that is? It's easy to jump to the conclusion that they are just deluded somehow. But the more an independent event occurs the more you have to consider the possibility that it may simply be true.
Midwit take - every generation thinks their youth was better
Bigbrain take - things actually have been getting worse, for several generations at least
It's not that hard to observe this. Stuff in the past was just better. It was made with more care. It expected a higher level of refinement and taste out of it's audience. Every generation, standards lower a little. This has been happening since at least the Boomers, but maybe longer, I dunno.
This has been happening since at least the 1800s. Compare a house built in 1850 to one built in 1950.
since the ~~*Enlightenment*~~ replaced religion with muh reason and muh rationality
The cartoonist is either too young or unaware to understand nostalgia. We don't find the culture of those years of our life the best, it is just very good at reminding us of those times of our life before the rut of adulthood sets in.
=Peak of different art forms=
Film: '40s to mid '60s
Painting: second half of the 19th century
Rock & jazz music: late '60s to late '70s
TV shows: mid-to-late '00s
Video games: late '90s/early '00s
film clearly peaked in the 70s
painting as the "old masters"
rock and jazz is shit but I guess you're right
television is shit but I guess you're right
video games have never peaked
>video games have never peaked
Wrong.
grow up manchild
Lose weight
OP image is about you
I was 3 in 1998. I grew up playing on the Nintendo Wii and the Ps3.
>did not even see the OP image
It's truly about you.
Millenial slop
Elden ring retart
objectively right opinion detected... zoomies drooling over some gay tracing version 7.5 will never understand how these old games changed the way we perceived the medium, how it shaped the whole landscape of gaming we got today
It's crazy how video games as a medium peaked less than 25 years into their existence. Late stage capitalism really fricked this art form
>video games have never peaked
Do you even know what "peaked" is? It means the highest point. Even if something is low it MUST have a highest point.
the point is it hasn't peaked yet moron
Games have pretty much been in a creative malaise since the Xbox 360.
You get "good games", but the genres are all pretty much established and tied down, the tech isn't really going anywhere, very rarely do you see anything now that blows you away, like Playing N64 for the first time, or playing GTA3 for the firs time, or playing Half Life 2 for the first time. Younger people probably don't even know what that feeling was like.
If we draw a timeline from the moment they were created to the present, ut must have a highest point. That's the peak. It's not hard to understand.
Oh you're gonna be some technical semantics autist? That isn't what was meant get over it moron
That's what "the peak" of something means. It's not complex. Nothing has ever achieved its peak then, according to your view.
>Rock & jazz
kek ok boomer
>picrel
not music
king. nobody else can do what carti does. vamp 4 life
Rock music peaked from the 80s to late 200s you cretin
Nah, Prog was peak rock. That was where it kind of reached it's boundary as a genre. Everything is a regression past that point.
I have some fondness for Red Hot Chilli Peppers or whatever, but it wasn't King Crimson or Van Der Graaf Generator. it's clearly a lesser thing.
Prog is circlejerking mindless noise. Alternative rock forms like darkwave and post-grunge are the best of rock.
post good examples.
>late 200s
Grug hit rock, rock make bang
>jazz music: late '60s to late '70s
holy moron
70s was definitely peak rock you plebians
Jazz peaked ca. 1958-65.
Rock definitely peaked in the early 70s.
agreed
>Video games
Not art.
The only art.
Music peaked in the 90s/early 2000s, as it was then when Power Metal peaked
My parents never let me play videogames as a kid but Gen 6 is way better than modern trash.
What didn't actually peak somewhere from the mid 80's to mid 00's though?
Maybe books, I guess. Maybe painting and sculpture.
Anyway, we're just very clearly in cultural decline, for a variety of reasons. Nothing is particularly getting better. The best you can really hope for these days is something is "as good" as it was in the past.
No one is going to put out something so ground breaking, it makes the classics look like shit. Not happening.
80’s songs are overrated trash.
80's was peak pop music. If you're more of a prog rock person, than maybe the 70's.
Still, those things have peaked. They're not getting better. Does anyone think they are?
>pop
2000’s
>country
2000’s
>rock
1990’s
>rap
2010’s
I hated 2000's pop. All of it was aggressively lame and annoying.
Nothing from the 2000's is better than Billy Jean.
This is a meme popular because of movies and games from that era. It also happened to be a bit of a golden age for both so much so we get nothing but reboot and remake sloppa of 40 year old shows. Mario and Zelda still get games. Biggest event in games was a fricking sequel to a CRPG from 2000. They’re admitting they’re creatively bankrupt.
The only other defense people have of this fartsmelling midwit shit is boomers who loved the 50s, an age of unprecedented growth. So unprecedented we’re now to be in constant awe of all the boomers who got a job without 4 year college and bought a house for a couple of month’s salary.
The radical thought that mindbreaks these idiots is “what if all generations aren’t the same”. It’s actually stunning that they can live with this cognitive dissonance since the same lamebrain fricks will complain about social changes and creative bankruptcy any other day. Muh late stage capitalism.
Thank you. Since the industrial revolution, literally every generation is very different from the last. Only within the past decade has there been a concerted effort to pander to the previous generation instead of create new stuff.
>creative malaise since the Xbox 360.
Sony and M$ ruined AAA videogames. The focus on minor technological and graphical improvements was never a sustainable goal - that's not what makes games fun. Video games for some reason were always seen as the purview of children. Sony and M$ perverted that and tried to subvert that view by appealing to movietards, disguising their thinly-veiled cinematic experiences as "video games". Also the FPS gigachad culture was so artificially created, aped, and sustained. It has always been a temporary phase for braindead normalcools. Those same types of people bought 10 Sportsball games for their Genesis, and then never played videogames again.
At least we have the internet and anybody can make a videogame now. AAA is dead, and independent games are where it's at.
Bring on the cataclysm, I'm ready
Music peaked 300 years ago with Mozart
Like, the "best movie" out right now is apparently Dune. Just Dune. An okayish adaptation of Dune.
That's fine, but they did that on the Sci-Fi channel 20 years ago, and that one was better in some regards. It didn't look so ugly and boring, or have a Hans Zimmer soundtrack.
>Like, the "best movie" out right now is apparently Dune. Just Dune. An okayish adaptation of Dune.
I just use these new mediocre fantasy/scifi adaptations as an excuse to talk about books with normalgays. That's all they're good for really.
We have come to the edge of the human, beyond is only blackness and the hum of machines in the night. The next song isn't meant for us. Return to the campfire with your family, stare into the flames, and tell the old stories again.
stop tech right now but for real
The only thing that has notably gotten worse is film and painting and maybe triple a games to some extent. Everything else is a matter of not looking for the good shit
What got better though?
There are some excellent films and games that still come out if you look for them, as well. On the whole, have the forms gotten better though? Not really. Have there been any interesting movements or breakthroughs? Not really.
Shitpostcore games like Cruelty Squad are probably the only fresh thing happening in gaming right now.
I didn't grow up in the 70s and I would say cinema was pretty much peaked then, though I do enjoy stuff more from my nostalgic frame due to the memories associated.
Offers alternative that anything created before 2016 is racist colonialist capitalist evangelical white tricknology.
>white tricknology
Based YAKUB enjoyer.
Meh.
>mass media entertainment = art
lol—lmao, even
Nostalgia exists but the danger of it is that it lets you too easily betray yourself. Because at least some of these people at some point have to be right. Nostalgia is an emotion but it's irrelevant to judgement.
only Gen X/millenial basedjaks who love Star Wars and 80s action movies say this
When you young life is better
Nostalgia was better in my day.
English lyric poetry peaked over 150 years before I was born.
Sculpture is probably what peaked earliest, then in order painting, tailoring, cooking, opera, theater, dancing, literature, music, film, comics. Video gaming may have peaked but it's a bit early to tell. I feel it never reached its true potential possibly due to excessive production costs severely restricting risk taking (already a borderline issue with movies).
Film peaked in the 90s it's a contentious opinion maybe but I stand by it
Video games obviously in the 90s and 2000s that one's not hard to figure out
Music, Literature, Painting, etc... who knows
Film and video games are easy because they've been around for a century max
Other art forms have been around for thousands of years seems way too difficult to determine the true peak
Films peaked in the 70s worldwide, the 90s was a horrible decade for films other than to show out the new technology at the time.
Paintings: tie between Renaissance and Baroque periods
Literature: Romantic period
Music: Baroque period
Film: 20s to 50s
Video games: mid-90s for 2D, mid-00s for 3D
I was at a store yesterday and I saw a 5 year old kid getting excited over Minecraft, a game released in 2009. And morons on here are gonna tell me shit hasn't stagnated.
This doesn't apply to a ton of shit. Literature is the obvious one and tons of people like older music and movies
Wow I'm sure glad every relevant photo editing software peaked precisely when a redditor needed to draw up a dumb, reductive strawman argument for nothing else but to prove how enlightened they are
Born in 88, I can fully admit that almost everything was better before I was born. My favorite music is in the 90s though and there are maybe four or five TV shows worth watching before my birth.
>there are maybe four or five TV shows worth watching before my birth.
And those would be?
Avengers (Steed & Peel not Marvelshit)
Doctor Who
Twilight Zone
Star Trek
Uhh...Star Trek TNG? Barely qualifies
There are some good anime but animation is a different medium I'd say. Transformers is also pretty good but that's more of a nostalgia thing I guess
Music peaked with Chopin. After wwii it's just slop.
Classical sucks and those who “like” it are pseuds
Im not arguing that. In fact I believe that whole heartedly
It's funny how angry non-whites get when classical music gets mentioned.
rent free
Proletarian cope
>low IQs when music requires them to actually LISTEN and THINK
Bach is the ultimate pleb filter
Stfu you fricking Black person
I'd say more Rachmaninoff in terms of "classical". Jazz/Fusion is also cool
I only listen to cooking ASMR videos
Millenial here, and no one thinks this.The late 90s early 2000s are generally bad for art. I guess music has been decent in my time, but nothing else.
It's more moronic when people try to tell you that appreciate certain things BECAUSE they happened in a certain era.
>durrrrrrr your favorite Zelda game is from when you were 12
No, the Zelda game that released was Four Swords Adventure. Get fricked.
Nostalgia, Simole
they're all correct, things have only always gotten worse and things were better when you were younger and the same was true for your ancestors
>"precisely when"
>gives a range
>3 and 22
That's a stupidly broad range that would alllow for two different generations to think of the same thing and both be right.
Also though the answer for most of these subjects is objectively the 90s.
Is this even true? It seems like zoomers are often obsessed with synthwave shit, like 80s and 90s neon and stuff.