So im about 20 years old and never had a gf and im not even good at speaking with women or with people in general. Are there actually self help books that can help your social skills and ability to attract women or is it all just bull shit? Im currently thinking of reading Models by Mark Manson and i was curious if there were any other books that might be good?
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Generally it's an experiential thing, which is one of the reasons therapy can be helpful. Getting things such as talking with other prople from a book doesn't work well since it's something that is generally a natural activity. By mimmickimg things from the book, you make your whole demeanor artificial. You may ask yourself how anybody managed to write a book on such things, and the response is simple - they naturally know how to talk to people and learnt a lot from the situations they've been in.
>and learnt a lot from the situations they've been in.
Oh so you can change the way you behave and a book can also help in that way. Albeit I will give you out of all the formats a book is a pretty shitty one, it should at least be a video
This OP. Just go out drinking more often. Try to find IRL hobbies where you can socialize with people. Everything social comes naturally and it's part of biology and evolution. If you just keep throwing yourself into social settings then eventually you'll become extroverted and figure it out easily
moron
Doesn't matter. It's all biological. Books can't help you with socializing or talking to girls
I'm the anon you responded to.
>Just go out drinking more often
Not really my point. You can meet people and develop those skills without being intoxicated.
>Try to find IRL hobbies where you can socialize with people
Yeah, I had something like this in mind.
>then eventually you'll become extroverted and figure it out easily
You won't become extroverted. You can be an introvert with good social skills. No need to change the way you relate to the world.
Read Moby Dick, catching yourself a woman is a lot like hunting a whale
especially if it’s my wife! Boy is she an easy catch though…
The more analytical you get the more you’re fighting yourself. Be fun and entertaining
>Just BEEEE fun to be around
The trick is enduring so much of their bullshit you demystify them. Anyway, models is alright. Don’t act like a b***h and appear confident, that’s pretty much it. Most important: have self-respect. Women will also waste your time like no ones business, get used to cutting them out when they start doing that or you’ll have a bad time.
This anon is spot on.
Corey Wayne, but don’t take everything he says as gospel. Social skills are the result of practice though. Get a job at a bar and restaurant, preferably one where young people go to. I guarantee you’ll be better at socializing within a year.
>Social skills are the result of practice though.
It's not just practice but also seeing other people and mimicking them, I think, like it's hard to just come up with this shit yourself and trying every possible combination is impossible
I am supposed to get waiter job as 28 years old greycell?
They rejected me from these kind of jobs when I was 20yo neet probably because I am ugly and awkard
To be clear, I wasn’t recommending anyone get a bar and restaurant job. Those jobs suck. I’m only pointing out that in a job like that, you can’t avoid social interaction. You’re constantly doing it so you can’t avoid getting better. You could do something similar in a sales job, or any job where you’re forced to provide “customer service” a lot. The point though is not that you should get that job. It’s that you will get better through practice. If you’re American, it’s basically normal to talk to random strangers as well. You can just strike up conversation for practice if you want and nobody will care.
I also think a lot of it is confidence and that boils down to competence. You have to learn to be comfortable with who you are and how you are. If you’re a sperg, just be a sperg. You’re on the right track when you can be comfortable admitting something like “I’m sorry, my voice is shaking because I’m a little awkward and shy”. You have to learn to not be desperate not be awkward and shy. You know what I mean?
I got my only gf after reading the Roosh V book.
Give that a try.
What did you learn from it?
to accept people and different kind of girls. now happily in a relationship with a qt t-girl
>qt t-girl
base as frick
You fricken homosexual
You needed a book to get a troony?
It was a while ago but I remember that you had to give off an air of not 'needing' women.
When you're not experienced you feel like any date with a girl is your one and only shot and if you fail you're a loser and bound to become a wizard.
Thinking this will 100% influence your actions and if women hate anything it's an insecure man.
With women it's mostly attitude. Incels don't understand this, they would rather think they can get women by reversing balding, or getting leg lengthening surgery. In reality you can 'trick' a woman into thinking you're high value. Even if you have no experience. Give off the idea that a date with you is a guarantee for a fun time and that she found someone special.
I have no problem admitting to having weird interests on dates, because it sets me apart from the standard male she has met before.
It's a good book to start and once you have your foot in the door (experience) you'll no longer need these tricks, it will come naturally.
I don't get it I literally act like I don't need women because I really dgaf and they don't go past a first date with me, inb4 you really care, I've told women crazy shit on dates just cause I didn't care and guess what happens. And if she thinks a date with you is a guarantee for a fun time and your date is a walk ok then what. Like you still need good date ideas if you want to have a good date, right?
It's not so much giving off the air of not giving a frick. It's more about it not being a big deal if it doesn't work out. You want the girl to think that you're into seeing her again since you had fun on the first date and she easy to talk to (blah blah). You do that by hinting at a second date while on the first date (not too soon, maybe like an hour into it).
For me the typical way to go is this
>first date at a bar, low threshold and casual
>second date some activity like pool (perfect for a change to touch if she doesn't know how to do it) or some arcade or some hiking path if she's into that.
>third date some landmark in the city you live in/near. Could be something simple like a beautiful park (bitches like picnics) or something with a view (a harbor or observation tower was my go to)
After that it's expected that she also will come with date ideas/will ask you out.
At minimum make physical contact at the first date, kiss at the second.
If you can get a kiss on the first you're good to go
I've never been on anything more than a first date but on that first date we fricked
what does that make me
A manprostitute
It's fine but at that point a literal prostitute will do it better and saves me time
>It's more about it not being a big deal if it doesn't work out
This is gaslighting
Of who, the woman?
Who cares?
You are gaslighting anon, he already didn't give a shit about how dates worked out.
That's the thing, it's not about not giving a frick if a date fails. You'd like to take her on another date but if it doesn't work out you'll be fine. Two different things, it's why I never spoke of 'not giving a frick'. It's an entirely different attitude. One indicates that you don't care really, the other is that you would like to get to know her more but if she doesn't then you'll be fine and will find someone else.
>it's not about not giving a frick if a date fails
FLIPPTY FLOPPITY FLOOO
There was no flip flop. I never used the words 'not give a frick'. I used 'giving off an air of not 'needing' women'.
Which is completely different as i explained in my previous post.
Which book is this?
If you need books for that it's already hopeless
Charisma Myth
The guy who wrote the original one of these (Neil something), "The Game", also wrote a companion book which walks you through, step by step, on how to reproduce his results. Iirc, it consists of a sequence of challenges or games, starting with innocuous things like walking up to strangers and asking for the time, all the way to picking up girls for one-night stands. It might be what you're looking for.
I will say though that female companionship isn't all its cracked up to be. Sex is momentary, exhausting, and bestial. You want it while you don't have it (as with everything else) but once you get it, it's no longer worth all the necessary rigamarole. I'd say a book on making and developing true friendships is far more valuable and actually worth the effort. Yet, so much of that is just about chance, circumstance, and youth. You'll likely never have a best friend the way you did in middle or high school. Anytime I see two adults who are good friends, it's always the case that they've been friends since children.
That said, there are a few books on this subject.
The best thing you can hope for is to know how to make people feel comfortable around you and not make yourself seem moronic, but that is a big part, on my part I feel like there is always something just missing there. Also that whole paragraph is brilliantly said, I had that epiphany the moment I got sex which was a one night stand and it made me feel terrible
>not make yourself seem moronic
Speak less, and only about what you know fore sure (jokes and banter aside, obvs). Literally all there is to it. It also compounds well later on with talking to women, because so many men oversell themselves and don't know when to shut up. Often they don't realize that they won the girl 20 minutes ago but lost her several times over since then because of their thoughtless chatter.
Neil Strauss, "The game" - an investigation into the seduction community. (I didn't know there was such a thing.)
What does the bible say about social skills
Tao Te Ching + The Book of Taking Ketamine
>waaaa I don’t want to do drugs
then stay b***hless lol
I had a whole phase of this years ago and Models is by far the best resource.
It gets you to throw away all the gimmicky dishonest shit like 'game' and actually encourages you to be a better, and therefore more desirable man
>Just be a cool high value guy
wow thanks for that pertinent advice Mark
Can anyone explain to me why boomertard or millenialtroon advice should still be relevant to zoomer experience when dating landscape is drastically changed?
It shouldn't, and it isn't. It's even not relevant for Millennials anymore, who are in their late 30s-early 40s but try to act like they are in their late 20s. All this PUA/Red Pill nonsense hasn't been relevant for a decade now.
>t. Millennial that haven't been in a relationship since 2019
Models is all you need to read for this really. Work on yourself, get yourself social hobbies like a team sport, dancing, a book club etc. Get a social job. Expose yourself to situations where you have to talk to people. You'll get better at it and it'll not feel like a big deal. Eventually you'll get friends and be introduced to their friends. Eventually you'll talk to a girl you like. Be fun. Boom you have a gf.
Tldr: become a normie
>Work on yourself, get yourself social hobbies like a team sport, dancing, a book club etc.
>go to le salsa studio bro
This is literally "give the manager the firm handshake" equivalent for dating advice in 2023.
People haven't stopped doing social activities you homo. Stop making excuses for being a homebound recluse.
>People haven't stopped doing social activities
He didn't claim that you lite-boomer
Then there's nothing about recommending social activities that is outdated advice
Just like giving handshakes
I got all my jobs (for some functions I wasn't even qualified for) simply by going to the job in person and asking for it.
What do you do, send an e-mail?
Boomer
I'm 28 but I can see boomers are more well adjusted than zoomies.
This is a whitepill. All you need to do to stand above the drooling masses is be normal.
>just bee yourself brah
>just *gets distrcted by notification*
>bee *does a fortnite dance*
>yourself *donates to an onlyfans prostitute
>brah *watches a 12 hour video essay on a game he never played*
You're wrong.
I walked into a construction companies office and got a free ride for education and became a welder which pays decently.
I then went somewhere else and got an office job for a position you usually need to have a different education for.
Your next reply is going to be some other moronic zoomie take. Zero effort, not even a hint at trying to look at it objectively. Spare me the complaints about work, the topic is dating.
>zoomie
okay
wow, a real office job?
Yeah zoomie, becoming a streamer is not actually a career path 🙁
neither is data entry you fricking loser
Sorry but your assumption is wrong again 🙁
You're a loser trying to make a million excuses for why you're a loser.
Why don't you bless us with your awesome advice. I'm dying to know what an epic blackpilled incel would advice young people to do.
>Why don't you bless us with your awesome advice
my advice is this: We live in a collapsing empire on the precipice of the AI apocalypse. Business has devolved from industry into getting people addicted to parasocial tech platforms to harvest their data, thereby more effectively tricking them into buying dumb shit to distract themselves from their miserable lives and meaningless deaths. There's also various financial scams basically all stemming from our mode of (central) banking on top of this, but I digress.
Life will be totally unrecognizable by 2030. Even if you make all the "right" moves there's a large chance you will end up in a mass grave, or even worse as a brain slave who is forced to rent out a % of his brain's processing power to cloud services in exchange for UBI.
So, in light of this, there's a lot of things you could do. Sit around and NEET all day, watching anime. Sit around and NEET all day and start some scam e-business. Gamble on crypto. Become a mass-shooter. Get a shitty dead-end job in a flyover state and settle for some aging bawd you meet salsa dancing and grow old (but not too old—remember, 2030) together going out friday nights to eat beef, tasty beef. You can even read Aurelius to cope and the latest self-help bullshit to MAXIMIZE your EFFECTIVENESS times 100 this is a no crybaby zone.
It doesn't matter. Do whatever you want. We are in a civilizational stage where control over your life is largely out of your hands. Therefore, just do whatever you find amusing. There's a 19 year old girl out there richer then you'll EVER be selling foot pics to simps, so who cares. If you're anywhere in your 20s and you're loveless and/or careerless and reading this thread it's already too late for you to follow a well-worn meme path where you get an education, get a well-paying job, find a woman before she's taken 50 wieners. Unless getting an education is amusing—then do that. But it's too late for this standard path to even be worth it for you. Life ends at 25, anyway.
If you're reading this and aimless, my advice is to take off all your clothes, and just start taking risks. Just do whatever. You can't control whether or not you'll meet a woman you can tolerate being around, let alone genetically mingling with, let alone spiritually mingling with, so frick it.
2030 is 7 years ahead. In that time you could get yourself into a much better position than just being a NEET living with mommy.
You might be exaggerating by speaking of mass graves or renting out brain processing but if you believe that you're far gone.
There are people who have taken this blackpill 10 years ago. Do you think they're better off than someone who actually worked in that period? And what if the apocalypse doesn't come? You'll be in your 30s, living with mommy and having had 0 experiences and made no worthwhile memories in that time.
I'm well aware about how fricked modern life is but the art is to acknowledge it and make the best decision regardless.
Wageslaving should be a temporary thing. Save money and then make an investment, do some illegal trade to make more money or move to a cheap country where you'll barely have to work or can make more money simply by having more money than the brown hordes below you.
But being a NEET and watching anime is not the best route to go.
>In that time you could get yourself into a much better position
There's no position to be had. The point of life is to set up the next generation. Yes, if you work hard you could be materially happier. But if all one is going to do is come home and play vidya anyway one may as well adopt the Black person strat and just scam the government for disability and welfare and just kick it all day, holmes.
>You might be exaggerating by speaking of mass graves or renting out brain processing but if you believe that you're far gone.
Forget we not the almost commonplace mass atrocities of the 20th century.
AI is replacing all mental jobs. It's a question of When, not If. 10 years ago we couldn't have foreseen the fact that we'd be ahead of schedule now.10 years ago it was smart to bet on another lifetime before everything turned sour. Not so now.
Robots will be replacing all physical jobs, after that. That seems a long way off, but who knows how AI will accelerate it.
As an aside, physical jobs aren't the epic win people might think it is. When White collar jobs are gone, the laborer market will of course flood and devalue everyone's work. Unions won't be able control the situation due to sheer volume of scabs. There won't be any real way to make money other than holding or speculating on assets.
When the population is rendered useless, the powers that be will either kill them or farm resources directly out of them. As soon as a mind-machine interface is developed, you can bet people will be lining up to rent out their brain for extra portions of soibean gruel and fully-immersive AI porno ecstasy. Elon Musk's Neuralink will metamorph into Uber for Human Batteries. Screencap this post.
I would bet on all of this before 2050. Pro-tip keep your guns. Hopefully the climate kills us before then. We have failed to learn to live with technology and now we must pay the price.
Even if you're into being a consumer first and foremost, it would pay off to at least work enough to leave mommies home. And you didn't answer my question of who would be better off, the person who took the blackpill 10 years ago or the person who worked.
The answer is obvious. I'm not someone who defends the current wageslave existence but when confronted with someone like you I feel forced to. Even when predicting catastrophe you should want to work yourself into a position where you're not at the complete behest of the government/corporations.
And sorry to say but you need money for that. I already laid out some options for people with money.
Your predictions are nothing to bank on and I doubt even for a consumer it would be the best existence. I got by years by working for a while, then quitting and being a NEET for months. Got to live great while not being feeling like a parasite on either my parents or the state.
No, I'm not at all convinced of your doomposting. Even if you believed it all, taking the easy way is not the best route.
dude stop wasting you time offering advice to shut-ins on ssi. these guys are never going to go to school or get a job. they're just going to sit here on their dopamine drip watching cartoons until they grow old and die.
>And you didn't answer my question of who would be better off, the person who took the blackpill 10 years ago or the person who worked.
I did answer—both are equally fricked, but you could have made a good argument 10 years ago on normative solutions. The NEET of course could derive a sick pleasure from not having contributed anything to a system preparing to kill him.
>I feel forced to
let's unpack that
>you should want to work yourself into a position where you're not at the complete behest of the government/corporations.
when you wageslave that's what you're doing
>No, I'm not at all convinced of your doomposting
I'm beyond doom-posting. I'm all-bets-are-off-posting. My advice is for people to stop caring and do whatever they think is fun because caring is predicated on conditions at odds with obviously impending reality. Make all the right choices and die of vaccine-related heart because you exercised TOO hard. Make all the wrong choices and still get rich because you bought drugs on silkroad with bitcoin a decade ago. All bets are off.
My key point is don't pursue anything solely relying on a promised payout, moral, fiscal, or otherwise at the end. Modern life especially is too chaotic to base decisions on simplistic linear predictions. Definitely do not make assumptions about the future which are based on the existence of a high-trust population with a sense of shared destiny, this which has not existed for almost a century.
i'm actually a disaffected programmer with a rich personal relationship with music and enjoy the outdoors every weekend, okay?
I'd put 3 more years, 95% confidence interval
I dunno I'll go look it up
What's your opinion on the alignment problem?
Have you read the Metamorphosis of prime intellect yet?
> Unions won't be able control the situation due to sheer volume of scabs. There won't be any real way to make money other than holding or speculating on assets.
Scary thought. Eventually people will have to be okay with having less, maybe living in the woods in a hunter gatherer lifestyle, maybe using the robots as an assistance. Better than participating in scab society.
If mental labor becomes that cheap, it will be time to leverage it for use on our own, existing on our own, producing what we need with the guidance of gpt10 or whatever it will be. Building cabins, medicine, etc with the guidance of the most wise artifical being with petabytes of experience in everything.
>a brain slave who is forced to rent out a % of his brain's processing power to cloud services in exchange for UBI.
I kekked, well done
Ok, DOOMER
2 more weeks
I agree with your post except for the part about not having control. It’s true you have no control over the talmudic globalist psychopath parasitic elite but you do have control over your own life, actions and attitude. It feels insurmountable because the psychopaths have learned how to control and manage the emotions of the masses. It’s not real though. You don’t have to live in the Matrix. You don’t have to follow the npcs on their death march. Look at how completely fricken moronic and feminized even smart people have become. Everyone is fricked and no one has any clue what is going on or how we got here. They have no meaning or purpose in their lives which makes it easy to weaponize them into supporting “the next important thing”. Look at all of this as an opportunity. If you’re not moronic you should be able to do what you will. Instead of being blackpilled and fatalistic about this truly horrible situation you could view yourself as the hero of an adventure on a journey through the wasteland of modernity. Stop holding yourself back with bullshit, lies, cowardice, immaturity, comfort seeking, escapism, etc, or whatever else you are using as an excuse to not try for something epic. I love you brother, good luck and see you in hell
>just *gets distrcted by notification*
>bee *does a fortnite dance*
>yourself *donates to an onlyfans prostitute
>brah *watches a 12 hour video essay on a game he never played*
Why are you talking about yourself?
all your jobs are menial. this boomer shit still works in a supermarket
How exactly did you get the job though?
Both of the ones I spoke of I simply went in and asked for one.
For the trade job they were surprised someone with no experience just walked in and asked. I got a talk with someone who doesn't usually do solicitation talks and asked to come back next week when the guy who does them is available. But I got my first talk in, leaps ahead of someone who sends an e-mail. With 0 experience you need to stand out and if you're good at solicitations then don't waste your shot with a shit e-mail.
The second one I went in with the idea of continuing being a trade worker (welding mostly) and the owner was available. Turns out he loves to talk and I barely got a word in. He was actually looking for someone in the office who can assist the planner who is flooded with work. I decided to give it a go and the salary was comparable. Now I got a foot in the door and can easily work my way up.
>there's nothing about recommending social activities that is outdated advice
It is outdated because the context of activities has changed dramatically. People engage in "social" activities with their friends they already HAVE, socializing with random strangers in public has been increasingly looked down upon even before the pandemic lockdowns, and has only intensified since.
I wouldn't want some awkward touch-starved femcel putting the moves on me when I'm going to a language class or a meditation group, and it's x100 true for the reverse
Have you ever tried "going to le salsa studio" to meet women with the explicit goal of striking a romantic relationship with them yourself? If the answer is no, why are you telling others to do this?
fricking Gen X moron
I've done group activities like sports, group meditation, and language clubs to expand my social circle, which includes potential romantic partners or people who know potential romantic partners. They work, and I was born in 95. You're just a coward who runs away from the world by lying to yourself that you already know it won't work.
So the answer is no, you never went to a salsa dancing studio in search of a romantic partner, thanks for confirming it although I knew it beforehand, otherwise you wouldn't have included it in your ridiculous Boomer ass post.
> sports, group meditation, and language clubs to expand my social circle, which includes potential romantic partners
How many times did you score?
Because I'm not interested in salsa dancing, but there's nothing wrong with the concept. I got several friends and one girlfriend from my latest foray.
Everybody is in the same boat numpty, they're there to meet people and engage in their hobby. The whole purpose of shared activities is that it's both an opportunity for meeting people and a big icebreaker.
Socialising with random strangers in public has always been looked down on, but a shared activity isn't truly public.
I've done all of that too (went to grad school, got a good job, made a bunch of friends) but to be fair it hasn't gotten my anywhere romantically speaking. I now have less confidence than ever that I'll lose my virginity. At least when I was a friendless NEET I could maintain the illusion that if the circumstances were different, I'd be able to get a GF. But at the end of the day it all comes down to who you are. Some things aren't meant to be.
Where is that cap from?
>Get a social job
lmao. All the best paying or highest status jobs now require you to live like an autistic agoraphobic for an extended period if you want your career to succeed.
>engineering
>med school
>law school
>even most of top-tier finance, now
>PhDs (lol)
I'm just assuming he's young, then taking a sabbath year or two to work is fine. College is also a good place to socialise anyway
>>law school
are you moronic? to be a good lawyer is basically have good social skills, otherway you going to be basically a slave in a low pay job.
If you do insurance defense, patent lit, or M&A you can sit in a cubicle all day writing/editing documents and make good money.
>just be a discovery slave bro
You are fricking shameless. Don't lie to the little anons like that.
I never said it was exciting. It's boring as shit, but you're wrong about the low pay. For patent law especially you can easily start at six figs out of law school.
Top-tier finance has tons of client interaction
>Book club
Lol. Never ever seen anything like that even as Skype meetings. Where do you live where you have book clubs? NYC?
>Tldr: become a normie
And this is why I will never have a girlfriend. I'd rather die.
>Expose yourself to situations where you have to talk to people.
I have but you can't just come up with random shit a lot of it is stuff you see other people do. Like imagine just spending all your life in your room devoid of any human contact and then trying to figure out what works by just experimenting, it's insane.
>not feel like a big deal
Irrelevant, you have to be good at it, whether it's a big deal or not.
>you'll talk to a girl you like
She has to like you back too...
>be fun
What's fun for these people bro, I'm fun to myself and a lot of what other people do bores me out.
No one is telling you the hard truth. At 20 if you didnt develop the social skills for women you will most likely never develop them. Go to college and make the most money you can cause thats the only way you will attract and keep anyone. Sorry but it sucks to be a loser.
source: loser
>No one is telling you the hard truth. At 20 if you didnt develop the social skills for women you will most likely never develop them.
THIS. If you have to read a book about attracting women, you're NGMI. You weren't socialized properly and had no positive reinforcement, and now it's over for you because no matter what moronic "approach" you try, you're ALWAYS going to come off as unnatural and corny to most. There is functionally no way that a PUA book or a self-help book is going to make you any more attractive or sociable. You can't extract useful praxis from a heuristic knowingly built on fraudulent principles.
>
So what should OP do? Resign themselves to a life of loneliness? Or 'An Hero' before things get any worse?
With life expectancy in the 80s, is their life really over at 20?
>At 20 if you didnt develop the social skills for women you will most likely never develop them
There's plenty of people who are socially moronic at 20 who get their act together in their mid / late 20's.
30 is probably a more realistic hard cutoff.
Anyone can change at any age if they go through enough shit and have the right support aka a good therapist.
>therapist
absolute meme.
>good therapist.
hahaha
This is not true. It took me until I was in my early 30s before I learned how to relate to normal people and women. Befriending extroverts helped immensely. Having success in life, getting fit, making real money, etc gave me confidence and helped me get over my insecurities and fears. Combine that with practice and from a distance I almost look normal.
Keep in mind that no matter how smart you think you are you have no idea what is really out in the world until you explore, work, try new things etc. You don’t have it all figured out, as a matter of fact you are functionally moronic. From what I’ve noticed the younger generations are becoming more and more moronic due to screens and the mass propaganda.
So you became a homosexual peawiener like the rest. Thanks for the advice, brosef
You’re holding yourself back because you are a homosexual coward. I get and understand your impotent rage, I’ve been there. But you’re not even trying. Go get a life first. Make some money and buy a house. TRY socializing with the NPCs. You can learn to play their game if you want to. There is nothing to gain from being an angry little b***hboi
But I don't want to. I accept my lack because it's ingrained in who I am, I don't pretend money and status could ever make up for it. You do, because you're a homosexual peawiener.
What makes you a loser is that you are comfortable being a loser
Good night israeliteslave
>i'm WINNING, you're LOSING
kek. Monkeybrained homosexual
>befriending extroverts
This. All my improvements came from hanging out with extroverts and simultaneously no longer caring about success/failure, winning/losing.
This book was written and published years before the proliferation of Big Dating swipe apps, so it's completely irrelevant to anything that's going on now
Read Confederacy of Dunces and model your public behavior as the opposite of everything Ignatius does. Actual advice would be to try not too hard to be liked and ask worthwhile questions.
Models iirc is exactly the same as Roosh's works but instead it's PC.
Not that I would know lmao. I almost nearly never talk to women, never meet any, only see them.
Read no more mr. Nice guy, even older men in relationships benefit from it. Humans have this innate desire for approval, it so happens that approval seeking hurts men more than women, so we have to be aware of it.
> Though all of these men are unique, each shares a common life script: They all believe that if they are "good" and do everything "right," they will be loved, get their needs met, and have a problem-free life.
> This attempt to be good typically involves trying to eliminate or hide certain things about themselves (their mistakes, needs, emotions) and become what they believe others want them to be (generous, helpful, peaceful, etc.).
> “Just about everything a Nice Guy does is consciously or unconsciously calculated to gain someone's approval or to avoid disapproval.”
The Tao Te Ching and Nevile Goddard unironically. The more you try the more it slips from your grasp. Don't struggle or fight and reduce the "need" for women. Only when you let go of the "need" or "desire" for women will they come because needing or desiring implies a state of not having.
Stop caring so much. You don't have to worry about what to do or this or that, once you stop caring and know that you are successful with women it will come naturally.
That's it that's all you have to do, however this will take practice. Reading books won't help because they will put you in too much of an analytical mindset which will work against you.
At first telling yourself you are successful with women will feel off or weird or even wrong because its so different than what you've experienced you may even feel some anxiety but if you keep at it your soul will eventually warm up to the idea and become more comfortable with it until it finally accepts the idea and then magic happens.
So just keep telling yourself you are successful with women and keep believing until the "wrong" or "off" feeling eventually gives way to comfort. The off feeling comes from it being different than your current state and so its out of your souls comfort zone. Your are essentially expanding your souls comfort zone to include what you desire. Keep circling and blowing your horn and the walls of Jericho will fall. Lastly its crucial that while doing this you keep a non-caring detached mindset toward it. Like how you feel when saying the sky is blue. Like a detached matter-of-fact statement of truth. Caring too much and giving it too much importance will work against you.
sure just read Tao until women will magically start being attracted to you
The be yourself meme isn't as much as a meme as you think
Stop caring so much, and do as you will. That's almost the tldr of all these sorts of books.
Models is a good book. It pretty much has all you need to get a gf. Most other books are very similar.
I guarantee unless you are physically deformed, you will 100% get a girlfriend if you commit to daily exercise, prayer/meditation, a social hobby, and continually putting yourself out there and being willing be rejected/hurt.
Best thing is to just get away from crab in the bucket sites such as this or twitter.
I guarantee unless you are physically deformed, you will 100% get a girlfriend if you
I am not deformed
>commit to daily exercise,
done 2 hours 4-5 times a week it for 9 months
>prayer/meditation,
done it constantly for 4+ years
>a social hobby,
been in biking, hiking, climbing, and language learning clubs for 2 years
>and continually putting yourself out there and being willing be rejected/hurt.
been doing this by going to bars/clubs every free weekend for nearly 3 years
still no gf. what the FRICK am I doing wrong?
Don't argue with them. They're basically bots who will keep repeating the same things. You don't have to be physically deformed to be too ugly for the majority of women, so I'm not sure why that anon even mentioned it.
i have just heard the same tired advice for so long, took that advice, stuck to it with no results, only to be told the same advice again.
i go with friends. usually 2-3 guys. they are better looking than me but i still display confidence and comfort. they hardly ever approach. many times women have approached THEM and completely ignored me. I have never been approached at a bar or club, and EVERY time I have it has been rejection. mostly nice rejections, usually just a “no thanks”, very few times have i gotten a “frick off” but those sting 10x as bad.
Then you're dramatically ugly or have autism.
No other reason.
3 years, each weekend no girls is incredible.
>No other reason.
Confirmed bot
i’m not at all ugly but I am 5’6. women just want better guys. I think it’s because I hang out with guys better looking and taller than me what i am basically invisible. i’m not upset about it but I am venting a little cause it sucks, but I have accepted it. why can’t you just admit women don’t give many guys a chance for whatever reason? I likely am a bit autistic (i am on this site after all) but even if i was ugly, how would that be my fault? why does everything have to be the fault of the man?
>i’m not at all ugly but I am 5’6
Expect a flood of replies saying how they know this dwarf with a harem full of supermodels
WTF ask your friends, preferably a woman.
Asking them just results in the same bot-tier advice as this
Not that anon but I've been in the same situation. Everyone gives the same advice and it never works. The answer is because no one knows what they're talking about at a basic level. Average people are always simply acting on instinct, and very rarely reflecting or thinking critically.
No, there is something wrong with him, he needs to ask someone for real advice. This isn't something that he can get on the internet or whatever, maybe he has a ridiculously bad breath problem or something. I don't know.
i brush my teeth every morning and night, floss, keep mints and gum. it is really funny how your mind is reeling to think of ways that women are blameless and i am at fault. i am at fault of being short and a bit awkward sometimes. that’s it. women chase and seek better tier guys than me no matter what i do. simple.
Nah bro you don’t get it you’re not allowed to be awkward ever it’s all on you. You have to constantly be a dancing monkey for women
>imagine thinking that
You know shit about women, they aren't like men. They just happen to like some dudes and that is basically it. You have some inferiority complex, they probably smell that shit from kilometers. Seriously, ask for advice to people who actually KNOW you in real life. It is that simple, because there is no way you are looking for someone for 3 years and got nothing, you are doing something wrong.
>it’s all YOUR fault
>everything is YOUR fault
>YOU are doing something wrong
>women can SMELL your personality
>women JUST HAPPEN to like SOME GUYS
>you’ve been following advice? ask for MORE advice
fricking spare me from your bullshit. life just isn’t fair. that’s what you normalgays preach until someone actually vents anout anything. then suddenly life is fair and every failure, no matter what you do or how hard you tried, is your own fault.
if i try hard with women you’ll say stop trying so hard. if I stop trying so hard you’ll say to try harder.
>your fault
It doesn't matter whose fault it is. It could be your parents' fault, or someone who bullied you or anything. The point is that you have a problem and you have to deal with it. You won't figure that shit out by asking morons on the internet.
I could literally say a lot of things that would sound nice, and you would feel like hearing, but they wouldn't really solve your problems. Yeah, I could say that it is all on women, that they just look for the best things out there, and if you aren't a whatever, there is no point to it, you should just give up and so on. But that won't solve your problems, you have to fricking start doing something.
Maybe you are looking for people in the wrong places, and so on. Ask people that actually know you. They can help you out, books, and people on the internet know shit about you.
>you have to fricking start doing something.
I’ve been doing something for years. Working out, hygene, social clubs. Most if not all the advice you and people like you have given I have followed. I still have had no success. None.
>Maybe you are looking for people in the wrong places, and so on.
That is a possibility. Bars/clubs are not ideal places to meet quality women. But then again, I have had no women in “regular” venues either.
>Ask people that actually know you.
I have. Unsurprisingly all I get is platitudes not unlike what you and many others give. i.e get good outfits, a haircut, get out more, exercise, etc.
>They can help you out, books, and people on the internet know shit about you.
If that were the case there wouldn’t be a market for self help books and internet. discussion.
Typing words on the internet isn’t “acting hysterical” I’ve been calm this whole argument. You making assumptions about my demeanor yet again is you trying to attribute fault to me that isn’t there. It’s like you can’t accept that I am a normal person that has no success with women. There HAS to be something wrong with me. I HAVE to be “acting hysterical” behind a frickin’ anonymous post.
How about this, you’re acting disingenuous. You don’t give a shit about giving real advice. Is that accurate?
Still you are thinking that shit, and that is the point, I can't give you real advice, so no one else on the internet. Real advice has to come from REAL people, who know you. Ask your friends, don't you go out with them, ask them what the frick, but if they are actually your friends, they will help you out. If they don't, they aren't your friends, ditch them and find new ones.
I don't agree. even best friend may not understand each other. relationship doesn't mean giving advice. Instead, many people just make friends for fun. At that time, these "friends"can not give you "real advice".
Yes, but still, do you think you would have it better on the internet? How long would it take for you to send 10 bucks to someone you knew over the internet? I'm asking a serious question. How much info and how long would we have to talk for you to lend me 10 bucks?
Won't be better on the Internet, but also won't be worse. Your families or friends will consider you as one that do worse than themself in life if you tell your problem to you,and then they may laugh at you ,etc. However, no one know who you are on the internet. No one have to worry about thier relation in the real world, so I think people on Internet would be better to answer these question about social skills problems. All you need may be advice that Anon can give,but not 10 bucks.
If he already got over the "regular generic shit" to the point of sperging out here. He is way beyond what the internet can do for him. He should ask his father, or some other relative if he is uncomfortable asking his friends. Yeah, they might laugh at him, but they will understand and help him out, if they don't and just make fun of him, they aren't his friends. That is the whole point of this. Has it crossed your mind that he might be hanging out with the wrong people or something?
>i.e get good outfits, a haircut, get out more, exercise, etc.
Why would they tell you to do this if you've already been doing this? Like, if you really worked out for 3 years continously, you would be pretty buff, so why would they recommend working out? Likewise with clothes, haircut etc.
Cause people pretend to give a shit.
I'm in the same position. Nobody can really understand.
Also, consider dealing with this. Because I literally said something that might be wrong with you, and you started acting all hysterical. You need to work on that, and be calmer.
Is the self imrpovement discord raiding or something?
>self improvement discord
>saying that the internet is kinda useless
Are you high or something?
So you go to the club/bar and then what?
Do you go alone?
This book made socializing finally click in my brain
Thanks anon, looks good
How to attract women:
>be rich
>be good looking
>have a big dick
>be mean to them
>beat them
You're welcome.
You speak truer than you know
The Blueprint by Tyler Durden/Owen Cook.
Where can I find a copy online?
Scribd. Maybe libgen
Looked there, couldn't find anything.
>The Blueprint by [another fraud who never scored IRL and staged everything for dumb-ass marks such as yourself]
why are you doing this to yourself and others
>by [another fraud who never scored
I disagree.
But it has been confirmed over and over again ever since the RSD's downfall (by people who worked there and set up their fake scam bootcamps), when it went from being one of the biggest PUA/Dating machines in the world in the early 2010s, to a literal joke.
Funny how RSD went under precisely at the same time as every other PUA outfit - in the mid 2010s, when Tinder and other Big Dating swipe apps got fully normalized and widespread, sub-8 males became invisible to women, and everybody realized that initial attraction and preselection were always looks-based, and "Tyler" and everyone else in that scene were literal scammers.
>it has been confirmed over and over again ever since the RSD's downfall (by people who worked there and set up their fake scam bootcamps)
Citation needed.
You can literally YouTube searchbar it and watch testimony after testimony from former employees, trainers and marks scammed by their $3000 "bootcamps"
That doesn't count.
I was always baffled by anyone who read The Game and thought “I’m going with RSD”
He literally spells out first hand what a lying psycho Tyler was.
I just can't trust a book written by the guy who wrote "the subtle art of not giving a f*ck" (if you don't give a frick why did you censor frick, why didn't you just call it Black person book)
I imagine the whole thing is Reddit basedence
Doesnt Andrew Tate tell you how to do this shit? Stop spamming the board.
>a young sensitive white man listening a rich soulless Muslim mutt how to get girls
Zoomers are moronic
I think you'd be better off reading chick-lit and romance novels written by/for women of your generation. See how the male characters interact with the female. Note how the author has her protagonist react to the verbal approaches by men and note which ones are successful. Ponder that, and remind yourself women read these novels like they're eating candy bars. They're designed to scratch the itch and therefore must ring true on some level. Good luck, anon.
This is a recipe for disaster, you must be a femoid.
Lol, enjoy your celibate lifetime of tearful, angry masturbation
Spoke like a true roastoid
This would be a great idea if your goal is getting a middle aged woman.
The anon does say
>written by/for women of your generation
Women of all ages read chicklit and romance books. Anon's point is the male characters written specifically for women to consume must be saying things those women want to hear.
I don’t know a single girl even close to 30 who read a single chicklit book and I worked at a god damn library anon, surrounded by voracious readers. They all watch chickFLICKS.
Seeing some homeless junkie tweaker with a gf whom he treats like shit really makes it clear that there is something deeply incongruent with what society says makes a man attractive to women vs what women actually want.
Women are children who can never grow up. Even smart ones are narcissistic short sighted children forever. Don’t hate them for this but don’t pretend that their equals either
There are so many comments in this thread that I have virtually nothing to contribute but. I'll try my best.
In this world we all put on acts. A nerd is an act, a chad is also an act. Someone who is acting like a nerd can choose to act like a chad and start pulling women. This is what I did when I was 23, though I'm acting like a nerd again. We come into this world as blank slates and choose what characters we are gonna act as.
My two cents.
Watch Dr. House and The Mentalist.
No, dont act like a moron, a jerk or a bastard.
But you can learn a bit about humor in small talks.
Sorry chud, but since this book advocates rape, I'm afraid you're going to have to remain a virgin incel.
Also, black lives matter.
The Courage to be Disliked is the only proper self-help book I keep on my shelf tbh.
Some of the worst advice I've ever seen posted in this thread.
>dude just do something silly and irreverent, like ranting about central banks on a first date or opening up a hot dog stand with your dog!
>dude just read the tao and explicitly cultivate not giving a frick about something you clearly give a frick about by not giving a frick about it!
>dude just pretend your negative experiences simply didn't happen, gaslight yourself into lobotomizing every crushing social defeat and failure out of your head!
>dude just go salsa dancing and pretend you will now thrive in a touch-heavy environment with attractive women who are now suddenly romantic prospects because you both paid for the same class!
I remember I got a "social" job with a bunch of girls and inside 2 weeks I already had FOR FRIENDSHIP ONLY stamped on my forehead in big red letters. Is it their fault, was it my fault? I don't blame anyone. I cannot cultivate the impression I want to cultivate without "trying", and "trying" already signals your lack. The only guys itt who were successful were temporarily frustrated chads or sub-chads, anyways. If all it takes for you is a few months of studying Spanish and going on runs to have women be spontaneously attracted to you, good for you but you're not really the demographic for threads like this. Some "men" are sub-men who will never experience love and will never be allowed into the inner sanctum of life.
I VILL eat shit and die alone
I VILL watch others be loved spontaneously for their given state
I VILL have nothing to contribute to Life except become a banquet for worms
and I VILL not be happy
Giving women a choice is the real problem
>was it my fault?
most likely yes it was.
Cope
Nice reddit word. I'm not the one coping.
Nice reddit cope
Neither is the original anon you replied to. Bulldoze normalBlack folk into mass graves
>dude just pretend your negative experiences simply didn't happen, gaslight yourself into lobotomizing every crushing social defeat and failure out of your head!
This is unironically what psychologists believe in
This. You either have it or you don’t. Simple as that. You are a guy women like and are instantly attracted to, or you are just a friend. If you’re on this site, chances are you are the latter.
I am by no means saying give up hope and hate women. I am just saying you can’t pretend being delt a shit hand is a good thing when the cards are against you. You can bluff for so long, but when it’s time to show your hand, you just won’t win. It is not your fault, or the fault of women. That’s just how the game goes. There are winners and there are losers. Too many times have I seen losers get a gf and go “see, you were wrong!! I won!” only to be left flat broke and busted in a matter of time. Again; You have it, or you don’t.
Social skills are a natural result of a healthy social life during puberty and early adulthood.
If you're unattractive and lonely you most likely will not develop the self-confidence and ability to behave properly in social situations. No books will replace the necessary experience. So go now while you still can, engage with people, build a strong social circle and work from there, not from books or the internet. Although it's usually a matter of genetics and there's not much you can do to chanhe the outcome nature has laid out for you.
There's only going to be a few people in your life who you're so attracted to you want to be with them. Focus on that, don't get good at having short relationships with women you're not that into. Roosh, who people have been mentioning in this thread, went down a dark path, and he said when he got into it he just wanted a girlfriend. But then one short term relationship added to another and he became addicted to validation from girls he wasn't even that attracted to.
I’m attracted to the majority of women my age homie
I know what you mean but do you actually want to be with them for decades and have children with them? No way. In that case you're not in fact attracted to them
My brother in Christ this is the wrong place to seek advice.
Anyone read this book? What did you think? I'm waiting for it in the mail.
>good social circle w/ ambitious people who know how to have fun
>learning what’s wrong with your social skills and fixing them, maybe therapy helps here but it’s ultimately how much you can push yourself every day
>productive life outside of work or school
General improoving like the gym only works so much, past a certain point you’re barely getting better odds. Just best to have a decent routine on that front that allows wiggle room to get yourself in situations where you can talk with women.
Above all else don’t give up!!!
>good social circle w/ ambitious people who know how to have fun
How do I get this? Making friends is hard as frick once you're out of school. Most of my co-workers are married and not interested in going out without their partners, and tagging along with them as a single dude isn't really an option.
Join clubs or groups. Look at sites like meetup.com. A lot of these are filled with old people though.
>just look for fellow lonely internet losers/serial killers bro
Shucks! Foiled again! I'll get you next time anon!
I honest to God don't get this advice to 'work out' and the other memes like hygiene, which are moronic because everyone does them anyway. The majority of people do not work out, a large amount of people do not have real hobbies. Yet they are dating, married etc. So clearly this advice is rather void when for most people it doesn't even carry any weight. It's not like being fit changes much anyway, quite literally the only people who ever comment on my fitness are other guys. But then again I did it for myself and not for some homosexual reason like impressing women.
>The majority of people do not work out, a large amount of people do not have real hobbies. Yet they are dating, married etc.
I do NOT want to be the average man that does jack shit with his life and dates an ugly ass fricking ogre b***h and have 3 kids before im even 25 and spend the rest of my life working dead end low paying jobs living like a modern day peasant. If that's what you really strive for then frick you, your life is trash.
guarantee they are 10 times happier than you
What's your point? If there's anything these threads have taught me, it's that you can get away with anything in this world as long as you look cool and frickable doing it. Look at you defending construction workers who draw dicks in porta potties now like they're some fricking paragon of the species because they're content with their mediocrity. This thread sucks and the other anon who tries but still fails is right
>If that's what you really strive for then frick you
I didn't say that. I just said that it does not matter when it comes to getting a girlfriend because the majority of people don't do either working out or have hobbies of interest as the majority of people are in some sort of relationship. Do as you will. Personally I don't find sitting on my ass all day and collecting funko pops to be an enjoyable thing, so I don't do that.
Holy projection
Here is the real redpill. If you are not good with women it is because, despite your supposed attempts, you don't really want to be.
People want to fail. People want to die. People want to let go and dissolve downstream. They rarely admit it though.
Truest shit here, this dwarf probs thinks he deserves it subconsciously or something, he sounds insecure af.
>everything's your fault unless you're gangbanger then it's all because of socioeconomic factors
Kek.
>inb4 "who are you quoting moron?"
Your brainworms, moron
The unfortunate reality is that a lot of the incels on this site will need the help of a really good therapist to solve their problems or access to group therapy multiple times a week, both of which are difficult to acquire. When you're dealing with real neurosis you can't just snap out of it via lifting or "exposure" therapy for social anxiety. Essentially you need to get at the root of what's really making you so anxious and it generally has to do with things your parents did a long time ago and you are still carrying out patterns unconsciously. Severe anxiety around women could have to do with unconscious guilt of abandoning a narcissistic parent and pursuing your own happiness, it could have to do with validation issues dating back to childhood and now making you desperate and way too invested, it could have to do with prior teasing and bullying, maybe your parents had a bad marriage and you're scared of relationships, maybe you have all these other insecurities that you're worried about being exposed in a relationship, etc. etc., so if you're carrying around all this unconscious baggage I'm not sure the way out except for becoming aware of it.
>good therapist
hahaha
There is no therapy for your face
That's your neurosis speaking
No, it's yours
How is your relationship with your parents?
How is yours?
seeing some midwit once a week and crying to them about how you feel wont do anything for you. it's malpractice and that whole business should be prohibited.
I agree almost all therapists are useless, I've been fortunate to find a good one though that's really helped with just completely face melting anxiety. Like I can't even describe and how bad it's been but the therapy is actually working
Anyone who shit talks therapists haven’t found a good one.
Therapy changed my whole life, easily the best thing I ever did.
sounds like you're a basic b***h who just craves attention, i highly doubt you were born with a penis
Lol, stay fricked up friend. Go vape more weed to self-medicate your anger away.
Being a self-destructive druggie is more masculine and honest than paying 100/hr to cry about your problems to some ivy league poof, yeah
You are very masculine man anon.
Hey, you said it, not me. Now go write about it in your journal and tell your therapist next week kek
>I have more respect for someone who destroys their own life and the lives of those around them than someone actually trying to solve their problems
Kek it's obvious you're a crab in a bucket loser who's just rationalizing his own narcissism
>and those around them
notice how you had to shoehorn that in to make your point or else it doesn’t work lol
It works either way moron the reality of it is drug addicts wreck other people's lives too though. What point did you think you were making exactly?
that’s not the reality but you have to spin it that way to make your moronic point. What’s your opinion on children and trens getting hooked on ssris? that’s their fault?
My original point was you should at least try to fix your own problems and going to therapy might help with that. Your point is... just give up and wallow in self-pity forever because that's somehow more dignified? Obviously you don't actually believe that and are solely focused on perpetuating your own suffering because part of you loves your suffering and doesn't want to give it up
No Black. His point is that going to therapy and sucking big pharma wiener WON'T help with that. There are ways out of it, but that's isn't it.
You were saying?
Also please enlighten me on those ways out (you're gonna say lifting and cold approaching and other dumb shit I know for a fact)
>big pharma
Are you pretending big isn't real and has no influence over the government? How many extra chromosomes do you have?
You either have it, or you don't. It's as simple as that
>take the drugs that are prescribed to you instead of the meanie weanie drugs that DESTROY other people's LIVES
Kek
Yeah the homeless guy alone under the bridge is really wrecking my life oh man
There's a dignity in accepting you're a defective and will always be a defective, like those animals that instinctively just lie down and die when their time is up. Better than paying a 100 an hour to cry about how ordering a pizza makes you anxious kek
t. had friends, cold approached girls, worked in customer service, not a virgin, still a loveless ugly loser
>had friends
>work In customer service
>are a loveless ugly loser
>”better than getting help!”
Why are you greentexting that?
look
NTA and you just described yourself
Lol imagine being this susceptible to the opinions of other people.
israeli therapy seeks to do what everything israeli seeks to do, hurt you, humiliate you and separate you from your money
Everyone else is shitting on this poster but he has a point. Feelings on therapy aside, most of people's social phobias and maladjustments come from improper socialization in childhood. Looks/genetics/luck are big components in dating. Some people just are not going to bag the 10s they think they deserve. Life isn't fair, etc. The point he's making is that you at least tackle the mental issues that are causing the developmental arrests which won't fix all your issues, but at least give you a fighting shot.
Good post.
T. Therapist
I'd recommend getting a job that involves front-end customer service since that helps with in-person communication. You also basically get paid to practice talking to people.
Here is your script.
Take a shower, put on clean clothes, Go outside to where girls you like hang out. Mall, bookstore, wherever.
Throw your shoulders back, stand up straight and tall, and walk up to a girl you think is cute. Doesn’t matter who she is with or what she is doing.
Smile and say “excuse me, sorry to interrupt, I only have a minute before I need to go, but if I didn’t walk up to you and say something I would be kicking myself later. You are so gorgeous you literally stopped me in my tracks. Can I get your phone number/email/Snapchat/whatever so I can contact you later and get to know you?”
She will probably say “sorry I have a boyfriend”
To which you will smile and say “well he is a lucky guy, have a nice day”.
And then you leave, it’s over and done, don’t even look back.
If she says yes, say “thanks, I already can’t wait.” Then smile and walk away, don’t look back.
Do this 10 times, you will get 1 number.
Get 10 numbers, you will get 1 date
Get 10 dates, you will have 1 sex.
That’s the game. It’s easy.
The more you do this, the numbers get better. If you are handsome or in shape, the numbers get better.
That’s it. Good luck.
To which you sa
>Do this 10 times, you will get 1 number.
10% success rate for getting one number
>Get 10 numbers, you will get 1 date
1% success rate to get a date, in other words 100 number attempts for 1 date
>Get 10 dates, you will have 1 sex.
.001% success rate for sex. In other words 1,000 number attempts for 100 numbers for 10 dates for sex ONCE
so even if we did follow your gay ass advice you still have to admit it gives only 1 out of 1000 chance of getting laid.
not everything is about sex. Does the part of just chatting with girls feel like a chore to you?
personally, I wouldn't follow his advice to the letter (I don't think that you should lie to people the very first time you talk to them), but there's absolutely merit to the overall idea. If you want to form relationships with people, you gotta put yourself out there. Either make yourself worthy of being approached through status, put yourself in circumstances where people have no choice but to interact with you (job, school, interest clubs, etc), or approach people yourself.
>Does the part of just chatting with girls feel like a chore to you?
I think any sane triple-digit IQ man would say yes.
then just don't pursue them and focus on your own passions or goals or whatever have you. Tesla died a virgin.
it's the end goal for him, maybe. I don't really care for hookups. As far as I'm concerned, most of the PUA stuff is a recipe for degeneracy. But they do get some things right. You can take those things and apply them to your own ends instead of casual sex.
Sex was literally the end goal in
though? Notice how that’s where he ends it?
>it's a le numbers game
Got more respect for suicides than I do gays like you
Whew! Must have hit a nerve.
No one respects you tho
>just smile and giver her a firm handshake anon!
>Do this 10 times, you will get 1 number.
Did it 50 times and got 0 numbers.
I bet you didn’t.
I wish I didn't
Yep.
Did you think it was going to be easy to get laid? Or hard?
Because that is what hard looks like.
Except it isn’t hard. You can ask for 10 numbers in about 15 minutes. Going on dates can be fun, talking to girls on the phone or snap can get you nudes.
It’s not a slog.
But hey! I guess you can watch more anime or play more fortnite!
adults don’t use snap zoomer
Actual bot post
>You can ask for 10 numbers in about 15 minutes.
No you can’t. Any normal person wouldn’t gove you their personal info in less than 5 minutes of meeting you fricking autist. You just pretend to be busy at the mall and say “hey gorgeous can I get your number?” and run away 10 times in 15 minutes? You are a creep. Horrible advice.
You are right. Can’t be done. You are very smart. You got me.
Now there are videos on YouTube you can watch of people doing exactly that, but I know you think they are all staged and fake and YouTube is israelitetube or whatever.
So you won. Thumbs up.
>Now there are videos on YouTube you can watch of people doing exactly that
That is some cringe stuff right there, just look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC34TSXNKiY
I’m just not a loser who needs to watch YouTube videos of scam artists harassing girls on the street. You have fun with that though.
>want a thing
>watch videos of others getting the thing
>learn and imitate so you too can have the thing
Yeah, you sound like a winner.
I don’t need to watch videos cause I can get women naturally in social circumstances and not as a stranger pretending to be in a rush on the street. That point went way over your head. Do you watch YouTube videos about how to order food at a restaurant or have a good time with friends, because you need to “imaitate it”? Loser.
Tell us how you get them “naturally”.
>You just pretend to be busy at the mall and say “hey gorgeous can I get your number?” and run away 10 times in 15 minutes?
I actually do this and it has about a 1/10 success rate. Though it takes me ages to get over my nerves and get the right situation in my mind for it. I just don't meet women irl besides strangers so it's my only option.
>actual pua number game homosexuals and therapy advocates on IQfy 2023
When did this board become so infested with normgroids
What’s your advice?
Suicide or a higher calling. We're missing the "fake it til you make it" gays, and we'll have bingo kek
Also missing the looksmaxxing jaw surgery and leg lengthening advocates
>not dickmaxxing
>no semen retention
ngmi
young men read and seek out these kinds of books but they are all a facade. You will waste your time, energy, years of your life going down "menverse" rabbit hole.
You are likely to adopt these random, strange, chronically online self help guru's views on life and dating and it will take even more years to climb back out of the moronation.
Just a quick tid bit on this piece of shit reddit tier book. The author is a fat self help author. He also wrote the worst book ive ever read in my life. The subtle art of not giving a frick. A book written for eighth graders and is absolutely unreadable.
would you really take dating advice from this dork op?
looks like a transman
That guy looks like a massive homosexual
>negative canthal tilt
It's over for him
There is only one book you need to read
Getting laid is way easier than getting a date, nevermind a gf. I get laid on a weekly basis and only been on a handful of dates, never got a steady gf for more than a few months.
how is this possible
BANG!
BPD Male
funny, i'm the opposite. i can get dates, i can even get a gf, i cannot get laid
I got drunk and gave myself a rim job last night. I feel so embarrassed, I can’t get out of bed. Can’t even summon the will to troll pol with black penises. I think I did that because I was high on cereal. I ate a whole box then for some reason wanted to prove to myself that gay sex is just normal sex. I just burped, it smelled like a fart
>gave myself a rim job last night
What? How?
Apparently Cirque Du Soleil performers use IQfy, who knew?
HOW TO GET A GIRLFRIEND
>1. Take a week off from work.
>2. Jerk off for several days in a row, several times a day, to the hottest porn you can find. Totally goon out. Edge yourself for hours before cumming buckets, then get right back to it. Take breaks to hydrate, eat and sleep, but your full-time job is masturbation.
>3. Realize that you don't *need* a woman for sexual gratification, and that both the pursuit & attainment of sexual gratification is banal.
>4. Spend a couple of days not jerking off, just reading, cleaning up around the house, taking walks, "working on yourself," or whatever.
>5. After all this, wake up, shower, dress nicely, and then go out. Treat yourself to a nice meal somewhere with a pretty waitress. Reciprocate her professional "friendliness" with calm but warm courtesy, but don't even think about desiring her to do anything more for you than bring you food. Ignore her, unless she speaks to you. Pay. Tip. Leave.
>6. Go to where the "action" is: somewhere plenty of females go for whatever reason; perhaps a popular cafe, club, laundromat, or whatever.
>7. Look at the women, but don't stare. Notice their imperfections, their insecurities, their mental illnesses. Without condescending, realize that they are simply large children, psychologically. Don't be a douche; treat them as you would an adolescent.
>8. Just talk to one if she doesn't look too crazy or beat up. Maybe she's on the street, or riding public transportation with you, or seated nearby. Just find something to say. This is one of my best approaches:
her: *looking around for something to look at*
me: *make eye contact* "Hey."
>that's it! You don't want some corny pick up artist line; just this simple monosyllabic statement of your own existence and recognition of her existence. If she doesn't stop and look at you from nose to toes and verbally reply, then you've already lost *that* one; just ignore her and move on...
>...but if she does respond, you're 99% guaranteed to be fricking her tonight. I'd say 100%, but there's always that 1% variance of something being "off" with either one of you.
>9. Hang out with her, maybe join her on whatever errand she's running, then get something to eat together, then go back home with her to HER PLACE (never your place until you've thoroughly vetted her and are sure she's not a klepto- or pyromaniac or whatever crazy). Before this, you must've touched her elbow or shoulder or the small of her back, and she yours (reciprocating lite physical contact); this then sets the stage for you to sit down close to her in her comfortable private space/home. Don't make the first move, but be confident & comfortable. The subtly interplay of two potential lovers leads to more. Kiss. Maybe even frick. You know you're in when she lets you sleep next to her the very same nite you met.
>10. Congrats: if you choose, you now have a girlfriend, but she's probably a total prostitute cuz she let u frick her within hours of meeting her.