Why did Bronze Age civilization not expand beyond the Mediterranean basin and Iraq/Mesopotamia?
(not counting the IVC fevelas and China. Let's focus on the geographic West)
Why didn't we have the Mycenaean equivalent of the Celtic people? or an ancient European Egypt in northern Europe?
well, the answers are always the same;
"population and climate"
ok, but I feel like it's not just that. sincerely.
What is the chance that some significant civilization once existed but its remains are hidden?
And just to point out, I'm not a medical supremacist, in fact, my wife is literally Nordic and she is the cutest, most amazing thing to ever happen to me.
if you want to discuss supremacy, go to pol.
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>What is the chance that some significant civilization once existed but its remains are hidden?
Low. Very low even.
>not counting the IVC fevelas and China.
You think of civilization in a wrong way. Urbanization spread all over the Middle East and Northeast Africa. Those weren't just some isolated pockets in Mesopotamia. Cities or proto-cities appeared as far North as Tajikistan (Sarazm).
>Why didn't we have the Mycenaean equivalent of the Celtic people? or an ancient European Egypt in northern Europe?
Different culture, lower population density, limited contacts with civilizations from the South, different climate.
>>What is the chance that some significant civilization once existed but its remains are hidden?
>Low. Very low even.
Extremely likely. People like you forget that people still existed in the meantime. For anything to survive it essentially had to be burried, not found in the meantime, and not rot or whatever. Anything older than several thousands years may also be under the sea, and also possibly burried and mostly fell apart. (even the Titanic may not last more than a couple of centuries)
Schizo
Nothing schizo about it, you just don't like it.
There might have bedn six other major civs between those, and the city that thrived between 12600 and 12300BC. And fifty between that, and the one that controlled much of eurasia around 235000BC.
You can't tell which of those wrre from a contemporary trade, and which were already kept as relics, ubless the numbers are too large for the latter. Mohenjo Daro especially seems too ancient in its depictions of both humans and animals.
You lost...
That's the comment it replies to, at least bother reading it.
All of this is irrelevant. Civilizations don't exist in a vacuum. Monumental buildings could be destroyed, but there would be evidence of trade with neighboring populations.
Mesopotamian, Egyptian or IVC tools and artifacts are found all over the Middle East. BMAC israeliteelry has been found in Kazakhstan, but also in Bahrain.
Btfo 🙂
Ok, vargtard.
remember that civilization was aspired to by everyone.
It's funny that no Roman wanted to go back to Germanic barbarism or the Romanized Gauls calmed down by going back to the old and uncultured times
you wouldn't survive 1 week without civilization.... you say that because you can use your Internet without any problems, I say that as a Russian man who lives in West Siberia IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
You don't understand ANYTHING about "living in civilization"
I hate so many of you zoomers, the worst plague the world has ever seen.
> remember that civilization was aspired to by everyone.
No
> It's funny that no Roman wanted to go back to Germanic barbarism or the Romanized Gauls calmed down by going back to the old and uncultured times
They were weak bugs who lived in favelas, roman soldiers spent most of their time outside of civilization anyway
> you wouldn't survive 1 week without civilization.... you say that because you can use your Internet without any problems, I say that as a Russian man who lives in West Siberia IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
>You don't understand ANYTHING about "living in civilization"
larp
as I thought;
Zoom argues absolutely nothing, and completely distorts the main argument to avoid it.
I say again:
you wouldn't survive a week without civilization living like your "strong Germans/Gauls without civilization".
You've never picked up a hoe in your life or cut down a tree to fix your roof after heavy rain, if something happened in your building, you'd call someone to come help you.
or I would be disgusted to open up an animal and clean its insides, especially because of the smell... there is no market without civilization hahaha
zoomer, shut up. You are a product of civilization and you are being against it.
What exactly do you know about me, and what makes you think those tasks are hard?
Imbecile
You already turned red, zoomer?
Calm down kitty, you proved yourself to be a larp that repeats what you watch on the Internet.
You doesn't even know how to change a lamp and wants to talk about "anti-civilization"
I won't answer anymore, you know I'm right, and that's what matters.
You're a little worm, aren't you? video game player
Calm down ivan, i will not eat the bugs
>Btfo 🙂
samegay
>geographic west
You mean West Eurasia ?
Anything that goes from Morocco/Portugual/Ireland till Xinjiang/Siberia/India ?
Yes
agriculture.
this is the key answer
Northern Europe and even areas outside the Mediterranean were not suitable or had skills with general agriculture, unlike the Minoans, Egyptians and Mespotamians.
Europe was practically out of contact with the Mediterranean in general, the Mycenaeans themselves copied the Minoans, etc.
see the more and the Apaches, one had agriculture and the other didn't.
No. The oldest structures like this are only 11,000 years old at most.
Recently a Siberia fort from the mesolithic was found with walls 8 metres high from 7000 bc
Everything beyond the Mediterranean, were barbarian...
>8 meters high
Source? Those were just wooden palisades made by hunter gatherers. Far from any civilization.
>international tin trade denialism
ngmi
Sure!
Some random "clothes"
No
>What is the chance that some significant civilization once existed but its remains are hidden?
It is possible. TheTollense valley battlefield shows a scale that suggests a level of complexity in the region that has not been explained yet
intriguing!
Do you have any books about it?
theres no such thing as celtic
civilization began in Ukraine
rubble huts arent civilization and youre all moronic
Sometimes, the greatness doesn't need a pile of stones and temples OP....
see the legacy that the yamnaya made to the world.
his descendants literally had the world in their hands.
But I forgot that what matters nowadays is just aesthetics, right?
The Celts, other different indians than the Aztecs etc. are dumb uncultured barbarians just because they didn't live in condominiums made of stone.
why would a noble celt give up his hoemstead in the country to live in a rubble favela?
civilization offered little benefits at that time
>yamnaya....
Yamnaya:
>Lived out of wagons like gypsies (AKA Romanians) for their entire existence
>their main occupation would probably be stealing copper wire like modern Romanians
>Closest living humans genetically are high EHG or high CHG Baltic/Volga Finns and North Caucasians respectively who don't even speak Indo-European languages
>Claimed as progenitors of R1b, in reality their main subclade (R-Z2103) could only be raped into diminutive servile farmbugs such as Anatolians, Armenians, and southern Balkans/Danubian brachycephalic pygmies with 150cm height and pathetic grip strength (which is why their so-called Cucuteni-Trypilia "culture" was already collapsing), not main subclade of Western Europe
>Dissolved into these populations of human bugs such as Hatti and Armenians barely leaving a trace
ο πρόγονός μου 🙂
Those are made up, only a few fragments survived.
>Why didn't we have the Mycenaean equivalent of the Celtic people?
Because ancient north euros were dumb, there's a study on it