Can all sensation be reduced to just pain and pleasure?

basically everything is muh feels, even seeing and hearing. everything can be reduced to either pain or pleasure in what we call consciousness.
seeing and hearing, your brain modelling the world is just computational pain and pleasure.
pleasure is the lack of stimulation (opioids reduce activity) and pain is stimulation (too much light, too much pressure etc).
as to what qualia in it self is, is a different topic.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    to add.
    obviously humans don't just have two basic modes. every human sensation is a wienertail mix of different complex levels and frequencies of pain and pleasure.
    but at a basic level, pain and pleasure are the only attributes of qualia. just like how binary computers are based on a simple principle of boolean logic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        OP here
        im not a materialist, im talking about the mind not the brain.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    bad title.
    Can all of awareness* be reduced to just pain and pleasure?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Upon the ground, a lump of odious reek,
    A steaming pile of mystery's embrace.
    Its form, a hot and slimy, vile streak,
    Provokes the senses with its foul-faced grace.

    In shadows deep, it lies with silent mirth,
    A riddle wrapped in enigmatic sheen.
    What origin hath birthed this blight on earth?
    What secrets in its gooey depths are keen?

    Yet, in this loathsome mass, a beauty lies,
    For nature's hand hath wrought it from decay.
    A cycle of the life that never dies,
    But changes form and takes new shape each day.

    So ponder on this lump of shit, so foul and hot,
    Within its grime, a lesson to be got.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pain and pleasure can be reduced down to ambiguities such as energy or vibration. Awareness is what leads to your sensations reacting, connection is necessary to extend any control, so attachment or tether is the most material sensation, the intimate knowledge of the immaterial to material connection, and thus the drive to preserve within the confines of our physical limitation.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That is just stupid. Pain and pleasure are not like zeroes and ones.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      but they're the only attributes of awareness.
      think of the most minimal conscious thing, no eyes no ears no cerebral cortex, like a worm even lesser.
      we know consciousness can model the world, we know it can take and manipulate data, but it also feels and senses. this feeling can be split into two main categories, pleasant and unpleasant (is there any other thing?) everything we feel is a complex mix of in between pleasure and pain. that's all I'm trying to get at.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but they're the only attributes of awareness.
        haven't read past this
        >be silly human
        >have vast range of sensations
        >decide to conceptualise everything on a pain pleasure scale
        >uhm you guys why is everything reducible to this choice I made???

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          sensations can definitely be reduced to something basic.
          consciousness is like a painting, a painting has structure (neural networks intellect/computation?) and colors (sensations). the painting looks complex there is all kinds of colors and different shades, but all color is just white reflecting photons at different frequencies of energy.
          also we know that all there is is either pleasure or pain. but it's not just two absolute modes for us humans, obviously we feel complex sensations and feeling that aren't just either pure bliss or pure pain. but those sensations definitely can be broken down to either.
          if you have the least minimal conscious thing, it will only feel like it slides between bliss or pain because those are minimal attributes that come with awareness you couldn't break them down to something simpler. what else is there?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            didn't bother reading your ChatGPT tier nonsense
            >if you have the least minimal conscious thing
            so why don't you choose to be a plant? because you're not minimally conscious? so you're pretending you understand what that means without any way of testing it, experiencing it, or even understanding it on any level whatsoever except through your fully conscious reasoning? maybe you are minimally conscious because you're moronic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're not listening.
            >so why don't you choose to be a plant? because you're not minimally conscious? so you're pretending you understand what that means without any way of testing it, experiencing it, or even understanding it on any level whatsoever except through your fully conscious reasoning?
            no you mongoloid. obviously I don't know, I'm just theorizing. but as you know first you need to come up with ideas before you test them.
            im saying why not? obviously no one has the tools to test such a thing. but ideas are all we could work with for now.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    phenomena cannot be explained by material states

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Right, but im not talking physics. think about your internal states, they're a complex mix of pleasant or unpleasant. what else is there to feel?
      two modes black and white with different complex shades that interact.

      take nostalgia for example, is there any other third type of sensation in there? it's an odd complicated configuration of pleasure and pain. you getting me?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The answer seems to be obviously no unless you restrict the term "sensation" so much it becomes meaningless

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why is sensation only meaningful if it is used to describe complex emotions and not just basic impulses?

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Your logic is too reductionist and inherently flawed.

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